Pistorius neighbor 'heard screams, gunshots'

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A neighbour of South African athlete Oscar Pistorius has told a court in Pretoria that she was awoken by a woman's "terrible screams" in the early hours of 14 February 2013.

Mr Pistorius has pleaded not guilty at the start of his trial for the murder of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp.

He shot dead the 29-year-old model and reality TV star at his home, saying he mistook her for an intruder.

The neighbour, Michelle Burger, said cries for help were followed by shots.

"She screamed terribly and she yelled for help. Then I also heard a man screaming for help. Three times he yelled for help," Ms Burger told the high court in the capital.

She said she called security and then heard four gunshots.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-26418086

smelly_bandit wrote:

SEXY MAMA wrote:

The first thing i would do is check the bed for my partner and if they are not there then i would assume they are in the bathroom.

if THEY were not there???

saucy minx

didnt think you Muslims like to get freaky naughty,  thought you were all like - "i hate you bitch get your bhurka on"

and you're like  - "oh yes my lord husband please beat me for being a woman"

consider me told

Just when i thought you were acting like a grown up for once............

SEXY MAMA wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:


if THEY were not there???

saucy minx

didnt think you Muslims like to get freaky naughty,  thought you were all like - "i hate you bitch get your bhurka on"

and you're like  - "oh yes my lord husband please beat me for being a woman"

consider me told

Just when i thought you were acting like a grown up for once............

Why the surprise??

You constantly tell me what a piece of shit I am, so when I act like what you already think I am why are you surprised??

The two main reasons for murder are money and rejection of love. Go figure.

SEXY MAMA wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

only he will ever know

but S.A is ultra violent and people with guns tend to shoot first and ask questions later when they think their home is being invaded

bearing in mind that a home invasion a couple of years ago resulted in the rape and murder of a mother and wife, the murder of the father and husband and the young son being drown in boiling hot water.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2179171/Walkerville-family-murders-Horrific-death-boy-12-drowned-boiling-water-robbers-raped-mother.html

would you take the risk or shoot first and ask questions later???

 

The first thing i would do is check the bed for my partner and if they are not there then i would assume they are in the bathroom.

That's what I think SM.

I find it odd that someone would think an intruder had broken in, then locked themselves in the bathroom.

i'm watching live on BBC ,

Maine coon lover wrote:i'm watching live on BBC ,

Morning Vod,

Does he 'act' guilty or do you get a sense he's guilty?

The problem here is he lives in South Africa - he has a gun next to his bed.

The "first thing" some of you would do is check the bed - yes, you may do that because you live in the village of Midsommer.

If you're a rich guy in South Africa you may grab your gun and start blasting away.

eddie wrote:

Maine coon lover wrote:i'm watching live on BBC ,

Morning Vod,

Does he 'act' guilty or do you get a sense he's guilty?

morning edds,

I don't know what to think of it to be honest , if he thought there was an intruder then why didn't make sure his girlfriend was safe before confronting the intruder .

BigAndy9 wrote:The problem here is he lives in South Africa - he has a gun next to his bed.

The "first thing" some of you would do is check the bed - yes, you may do that because you live in the village of Midsommer.

If you're a rich guy in South Africa you may grab your gun and start blasting away.

Morning Andy,

Is it reasonable to presume or assume(?) that an intruder would lock themselves in the bathroom?
Who breaks into a house and goes into the bathroom to take a crap?

eddie wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:The problem here is he lives in South Africa - he has a gun next to his bed.

The "first thing" some of you would do is check the bed - yes, you may do that because you live in the village of Midsommer.

If you're a rich guy in South Africa you may grab your gun and start blasting away.

Morning Andy,

Is it reasonable to presume or assume(?) that an intruder would lock themselves in the bathroom?
Who breaks into a house and goes into the bathroom to take a crap?

What, you've never?

Never mind.

I don't know the layout of his house or bedroom.  Is that what happened - the door was locked?

I'm open to everything - as I've said, i'll wait for the outcome.

I was just pointing out the differences - look at all the premier league players in Cheshire and Liverpool who are being broken in to.

If I had a gun, I'd use it.

I never tend to make judgment on murder trials , because a lot comes out that change things so quickly so i am going to watch listen and wait for the outcome

Maine coon lover wrote:I never tend to make judgment on murder trials , because a lot comes out that change things so quickly so i am going to watch listen and wait for the outcome

Good call coon.

Over in the UK all we can do is pay for more locks and more alarms.

If we had the choice of a gun next to our beds some would reach for their guns.

BigAndy9 wrote:

Maine coon lover wrote:I never tend to make judgment on murder trials , because a lot comes out that change things so quickly so i am going to watch listen and wait for the outcome

Good call coon.

Over in the UK all we can do is pay for more locks and more alarms.

If we had the choice of a gun next to our beds some would reach for their guns.

I would say yes

I would say that whether he was wearing his prosthetics or not is pretty significant. I gather that the prosecution have conceded that he probably was not. Does that suggest that was indeed in bed before the shooting, or did he habitually not wear them at home anyway?

Miss Steenkamp was apparently not wearing nightwear, so that would suggest that she was not in bed before the shooting. It's also a bit strange that she would take her phone to the bathroom with her.

smelly_bandit wrote:

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Just when i thought you were acting like a grown up for once............

Why the surprise??

You constantly tell me what a piece of shit I am, so when I act like what you already think I am why are you surprised??

Please show me where I have called you a piece of shit constantly???????

eddie wrote:

SEXY MAMA wrote:

The first thing i would do is check the bed for my partner and if they are not there then i would assume they are in the bathroom.

That's what I think SM.

I find it odd that someone would think an intruder had broken in, then locked themselves in the bathroom.

Yeah it just doesn't seem right.

whatever the outcome it is still gripping viewing / listening. The prosecution IMO seems to be all of a stutter.

Adjourned again today.......

At this rate it will be Christmas before all 107 witnesses for the State have appeared.

eddie wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:The problem here is he lives in South Africa - he has a gun next to his bed.

The "first thing" some of you would do is check the bed - yes, you may do that because you live in the village of Midsommer.

If you're a rich guy in South Africa you may grab your gun and start blasting away.

Morning Andy,

Is it reasonable to presume or assume(?) that an intruder would lock themselves in the bathroom?
Who breaks into a house and goes into the bathroom to take a crap?

there are many things that you can assume

but be aware that your assumptions are based on the life you have lived and live, which are entirely correct for the life you live, however your assumptions of what is "normal" doesn't necessarily translate to what is "normal" in S.A

for instance perhaps HIS assumption was not that the attacker had locked himself in the toilet to crap, but rather that the toilet was the entry point used by the invader (that would depend on the window size in the toilet/bathroom)

im not saying he is guilty or innocent either way, that is not for me to decide, im simply saying that S.A is not the UK and that its easy fro us to sit around a table top exercise and discuss what each of us would do in the scenario, when the reality is that each of us would probably react very differently if we were in a situation where we thought there were invaders in our house

who knows what was racing through his mind if he genuinely thought there were home invaders in his house?? who here can understand the panic and fear he may have experienced and how it affected his judgment??

he is not a soldier trained to push aside his fear and carry on like normal, he is just a normal man, in fact not normal he is handicapped and therefore less "able" to stand and fight (so to speak)

if he IS guilty then send him down , if he made an honest mistake then you're all doing a great job of crucifying him anyway, even though he will have to live with what he did for the rest of his life (if he is innocent)

BigAndy9 wrote:The problem here is he lives in South Africa - he has a gun next to his bed.

The "first thing" some of you would do is check the bed - yes, you may do that because you live in the village of Midsommer.

If you're a rich guy in South Africa you may grab your gun and start blasting away.

umm his house is in a secure gated community with security, he was not even supposed to have a gun in the house. Not all of south Africa is that bad    these gated communities have armed guards what you're saying is nonsense. He had no good reason to wake up and blast... it is idiots that think that, that shoot their children and wives when they go to the bathroom in the middle of the night.      

veya_victaous wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:The problem here is he lives in South Africa - he has a gun next to his bed.

The "first thing" some of you would do is check the bed - yes, you may do that because you live in the village of Midsommer.

If you're a rich guy in South Africa you may grab your gun and start blasting away.

umm his house is in a secure gated community with security, he was not even supposed to have a gun in the house.  Not all of south Africa is that bad    these gated communities have armed guards what you're saying is nonsense. He had no good reason to wake up and blast... it is idiots that think that, that shoot their children and wives when they go to the bathroom in the middle of the night.      

And of course you know about gated communities and how reliable and trustworthy the guards are, because you're currently living in a gated community in S.A as we speak and have done so all your life

Amazing. You probably couldn't point SA out on a map before this but now you're an expert on life in South Africa

Your stupidity makes me laugh

smelly_bandit wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

umm his house is in a secure gated community with security, he was not even supposed to have a gun in the house.  Not all of south Africa is that bad    these gated communities have armed guards what you're saying is nonsense. He had no good reason to wake up and blast... it is idiots that think that, that shoot their children and wives when they go to the bathroom in the middle of the night.      

And of course you know about gated communities and how reliable and trustworthy the guards are, because you're currently living in a gated community in S.A as we speak and have done so all your life

Amazing. You probably couldn't point SA out on a map before this but now you're an expert on life in South Africa

Your stupidity makes me laugh

Dear me the stupidity of an inept idiot who has not lived there for years makes him an expert, even though we have crime in this country does not mean any would be experts on criminal situations just by being a resident of that nation.

Yes your stupidity makes me laugh how you berate others for offering an opinion to a crime, so lets give the information to posters to make up their minds from studies on the matter, not some unhinged loon


http://www.csir.co.za/Built_environment/Planning_support_systems/gatedcomsa/docs/case_studies.pdf

If he thought there was a burglar in the bathroom, he would say something from outside the door, and then Reeva would have replied. One wouldn't just shoot straightaway surely.

Raggamuffin wrote:If he thought there was a burglar in the bathroom, he would say something from outside the door, and then Reeva would have replied. One wouldn't just shoot straightaway surely.

Agreed, there are many actions he did not take, and why in the first place if he had not had the gun she would not be dead, as what do most people do in a situation when they hear noises, surely when living with someone and that person is not next to you, why would you shoot first, not knowing the location of your girlfriend, that does not make sense, being as this would be one of the first thoughts on your mind.


To smelly

This is why people speculate as you did over the TM case did you not, before the trial was concluded, people do this to debate and yes all are innocent until proven guilty but as seen to many his actions simply do not add up, even if he is living in South Africa, as can you show me countless other examples of similar situations?

PhilDidge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

And of course you know about gated communities and how reliable and trustworthy the guards are, because you're currently living in a gated community in S.A as we speak and have done so all your life

Amazing. You probably couldn't point SA out on a map before this but now you're an expert on life in South Africa

Your stupidity makes me laugh

Dear me the stupidity of an inept idiot who has not lived there for years makes him an expert, even though we have crime in this country does not mean any would be experts on criminal situations just by being a resident of that nation.

Yes your stupidity makes me laugh how you berate others for offering an opinion to a crime, so lets give the information to posters to make up their minds from studies on the matter, not some unhinged loon


http://www.csir.co.za/Built_environment/Planning_support_systems/gatedcomsa/docs/case_studies.pdf

oh look another expert on S.A

smelly_bandit wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


Dear me the stupidity of an inept idiot who has not lived there for years makes him an expert, even though we have crime in this country does not mean any would be experts on criminal situations just by being a resident of that nation.

Yes your stupidity makes me laugh how you berate others for offering an opinion to a crime, so lets give the information to posters to make up their minds from studies on the matter, not some unhinged loon


http://www.csir.co.za/Built_environment/Planning_support_systems/gatedcomsa/docs/case_studies.pdf

oh look another expert on S.A

Never claimed to be, but you berating others claiming you are, is also a joke, people want to have a view on this just as you did with the TM case in America, but that is okay when you do, making you look a right wally. 

I posted that so people can view for themselves such places to gain a better perspective

PhilDidge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

oh look another expert on S.A

Never claimed to be, but you berating others claiming you are, is also a joke, people want to have a view on this just as you did with the TM case in America, but that is okay when you do, making you look a right wally. 

I posted that so people can view for themselves such places to gain a better perspective

im berating others for saying how things are in S.A even though they have never been there apart from holiday,chances are they dontg even know the correct pronunciation of the victims names

and then applying their "opinions" to make their decision on guilt or innocence - "mmmmmmmmmm is its logic to do this or that", "he lived in a secured gated community so why was he even armed"

utter stupidity born from ignorance

smelly_bandit wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:



Never claimed to be, but you berating others claiming you are, is also a joke, people want to have a view on this just as you did with the TM case in America, but that is okay when you do, making you look a right wally. 

I posted that so people can view for themselves such places to gain a better perspective

im berating others for saying how things are in S.A even though they have never been there apart from holiday,chances are they dontg even know the correct pronunciation of the victims names

and then applying their "opinions" to make their decision on guilt or innocence - "mmmmmmmmmm is its logic to do this or that", "he lived in a secured gated community so why was he even armed"

utter stupidity born from ignorance    

So what, you are not the be all and know all, more so with your prejudice views to judge an you have judged again what you see as right countless times on criminal acts.
It really does not matter what nation a person is from to try and understand when things do not add up, because he is male and human after all, so what is the big deal?
Is it just because it happened in South Africa, or that he is South African?
To others, I doubt they even look at that as a relevance, as to them they see a man that has killed his partner and are making their own assumptions whether it is murder

eddie wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:The problem here is he lives in South Africa - he has a gun next to his bed.

The "first thing" some of you would do is check the bed - yes, you may do that because you live in the village of Midsommer.

If you're a rich guy in South Africa you may grab your gun and start blasting away.

Is it reasonable to presume or assume(?) that an intruder would lock themselves in the bathroom?
Who breaks into a house and goes into the bathroom to take a crap?

Exactly. Nothing this guy says makes sense. You grab a gun out from under her side of the bed, and don't even notice she's missing?? You let loose a few shots at a door without knowing what or who you are shooting at??

This is the same hothead who shot up a restaurant a few days before. Sounds like a Mississippi cracker at a drunken Klan rally.

Original Quill wrote:

eddie wrote:

Is it reasonable to presume or assume(?) that an intruder would lock themselves in the bathroom?
Who breaks into a house and goes into the bathroom to take a crap?

Exactly.  Nothing this guy says makes sense.  You grab a gun out from under her side of the bed, and don't even notice she's missing??  You let loose a few shots at a door without knowing what or who you are shooting at??  

This is the same hothead who shot up a restaurant a few days before.  Sounds like a Mississippi cracker at a drunken Klan rally.

Couldn't have been premeditated murder then because as you've just stated

"You let loose a few shots at a door without knowing what or who you are shooting at??"

Jokes and humorous banter aside - I think that he is guilty of murder and until the details of Reena's i-phone texts and conversation come forth he will get off. He is a cold, emotionless man with part delusions of grandeur and a desire to win at all costs. Being rejected for another man would anger him more than losing a running race.

smelly_bandit wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Exactly.  Nothing this guy says makes sense.  You grab a gun out from under her side of the bed, and don't even notice she's missing??  You let loose a few shots at a door without knowing what or who you are shooting at??  

This is the same hothead who shot up a restaurant a few days before.  Sounds like a Mississippi cracker at a drunken Klan rally.

Couldn't have been premeditated murder then because as you've just stated

"You let loose a few shots at a door without knowing what or who you are shooting at??"

Dear me, the point Quill was making is that it does not make sense to wake up living with someone with them not being the first thing on their mind where they are and shooting bullets through a door where noise is heard not knowing if your partner is there.

Have you ever lived with someone and woken up to noises and find them not next to you?

If yes what did you do?

Croissant wrote:Jokes and humorous banter aside - I think that he is guilty of murder and until the details of Reena's i-phone texts and conversation come forth he will get off.  He is a cold, emotionless man with part delusions of grandeur and a desire to win at all costs.  Being rejected for another man would anger him more than losing a running race.

I dint know enough about him tbh, but it's the locked bathroom door that's the oddity to me.

She was on the phone to lover boy.

PhilDidge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

Couldn't have been premeditated murder then because as you've just stated

"You let loose a few shots at a door without knowing what or who you are shooting at??"

Dear me, the point Quill was making is that it does not make sense to wake up living with someone with them not being the first thing on their mind where they are and shooting bullets through a door where noise is heard not knowing if your partner is there.

Have you ever lived with someone and woken up to noises and find them not next to you?

If yes what did you do?

Maybe Pistorius was frightened for his life.

Maybe the first thing he thought of wasn't his girlfriend.

BigAndy9 wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


Dear me, the point Quill was making is that it does not make sense to wake up living with someone with them not being the first thing on their mind where they are and shooting bullets through a door where noise is heard not knowing if your partner is there.

Have you ever lived with someone and woken up to noises and find them not next to you?

If yes what did you do?

Maybe Pistorius was frightened for his life.

Maybe the first thing he thought of wasn't his girlfriend.

Yes that makes utterly no sense being as he lived with her, pointing to my point again if you have lived with someone which I know you do, so have you ever woken up with your wife not next to you and heard noises, knowing she was there with you when you went to sleep ?

Did you panic and call the Police?

PhilDidge wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:


Maybe Pistorius was frightened for his life.

Maybe the first thing he thought of wasn't his girlfriend.

Yes that makes utterly no sense being as he lived with her, pointing to my point again if you have lived with someone which I know you do, so have you ever woken up with your wife not next to you and heard noises, knowing she was there with you when you went to sleep ?

Did you panic and call the Police?

I don't think he did live with her actually.

I agree that one would not act in such a hasty manner though.

Raggamuffin wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


Yes that makes utterly no sense being as he lived with her, pointing to my point again if you have lived with someone which I know you do, so have you ever woken up with your wife not next to you and heard noises, knowing she was there with you when you went to sleep ?

Did you panic and call the Police?

I don't think he did live with her actually.

I agree that one would not act in such a hasty manner though.

Fair enough, but even then, you would be used to someone staying over would you not which is the point of going to sleep with someone. I fail to see how he suddenly had amnesia waking up not remembering she was there

PhilDidge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I don't think he did live with her actually.

I agree that one would not act in such a hasty manner though.

Fair enough, but even then, you would be used to someone staying over would you not which is the point of going to sleep with someone. I fail to see how he suddenly had amnesia waking up not remembering she was there

I don't think he claims that he forgot she was there, I think he said that he thought she was in bed.

I know that people do react differently in certain situations, but his story sounds absurd to me. If he's telling the truth - well, I don't think he should get away with it because it was just such a reckless thing to do.

It's a another bloke, making love with a man with no legs didn't do it for her, sorry to sound brutal but its the truth.

Croissant wrote:It's a another bloke, making love with a man with no legs didn't do it for her, sorry to sound brutal but its the truth.

Sometimes you really let yourself down.

When I first read about this story, there were reports that he shot her by accident because he thought she was a burglar. I assumed that she had gone to the house and let herself in - perhaps as a Valentine's surprise or something, and that he had not been expecting her to be there. That would make some sense, and I thought how tragic it all was, especially considering the message she put on Twitter.

This scenerio just defies common sense. I've read that he got out of bed to retrieve a fan or something, and he heard noises in the bathroom, so he grabbed the gun. The first thing I would do is put a light on, and then it would have been obvious that Reeva was not in bed. One wouldn't just go to the bathroom in the dark and start shooting through the door, one would creep there with the gun and ask who was in there, in which case she would have replied.

Why would she have her phone in there with her? Was she dressed in nightwear?

It sounds like she had actually been to the loo because her bladder was empty apparently. Would she not have flushed the toilet?

Did he know the door was locked before he started shooting? Did he try the door?

Sassy wrote:

Croissant wrote:It's a another bloke, making love with a man with no legs didn't do it for her, sorry to sound brutal but its the truth.

Sometimes you really let yourself down.

Why?

Because you don't like what you hear, wait and see....it's another bloke.

Croissant wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Sometimes you really let yourself down.

Why?

Because you don't like what you hear, wait and see....it's another bloke.

You know that Simon Weston who was badly burnt in the Falklands? Do you think his wife would have an affair because of his disfigurement?

How about the copper that Raol Moat shot, she left the poor bastard.

Reeva wasn't his wife, and they had only been together for a few months.

Raggamuffin wrote:Reeva wasn't his wife, and they had only been together for a few months.  

Even more reason.

Croissant wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Reeva wasn't his wife, and they had only been together for a few months.  

Even more reason.

I'm not saying she had another bloke or anything, I'm just saying it's a different situation to Simon Weston.

Okay   

Croissant wrote:How about the copper that Raol Moat shot, she left the poor bastard.

Yep, after he had affairs!

Raggamuffin wrote:Reeva wasn't his wife, and they had only been together for a few months.  

AKA she got together with him when he'd already lost his legs.