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Pistorius neighbor 'heard screams, gunshots'
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-26418086
A neighbour of South African athlete Oscar Pistorius has told a court in Pretoria that she was awoken by a woman's "terrible screams" in the early hours of 14 February 2013.
Mr Pistorius has pleaded not guilty at the start of his trial for the murder of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp.
He shot dead the 29-year-old model and reality TV star at his home, saying he mistook her for an intruder.
The neighbour, Michelle Burger, said cries for help were followed by shots.
"She screamed terribly and she yelled for help. Then I also heard a man screaming for help. Three times he yelled for help," Ms Burger told the high court in the capital.
She said she called security and then heard four gunshots.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-26418086
Re: Pistorius neighbor 'heard screams, gunshots'
Tesstacious wrote:Original Quill wrote:
Pistorius has a housekeeper who sleeps in quarters off the kitchen:
He has not been called as a witness because he has nothing to say.
Do you think he's been paid off?
Don't know. I haven't really considered it. Either way, it makes no difference, really. The prosecution doesn't really need him...nor, obviously, is he any good to the defense.
I think at this point the defense is only trying to get the judge to opt for a lesser-included crime, maybe reckless indifference. Not murder.
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Defense puts on another foolish expert, who promptly makes a mess of his testimony.
CNN wrote:Pretoria, South Africa (CNN) -- One of the most respected ballistics experts in South Africa disputed key elements of the prosecution case against Oscar Pistorius on Friday, saying that the girlfriend he killed last year did not appear to have been in a defensive position when he shot her.
Tom Wolmarans, a former police officer, suggested that Reeva Steenkamp did not have her hand over her head when Pistorius fired four bullets at her.
"The left hand cannot have been against her head" because there were no wounds and no brain tissue on the inside of her hand, he said.
His analysis runs against one of the most dramatic parts of the prosecution case, when a police ballistics expert cowered with his hands over his head, imitating the position he thought Steenkamp was in when she was killed.
Pistorius, 27, is accused of murdering Steenkamp, a model, reality TV star and law school graduate. She was 29 when she was killed.
He admits that he fired four bullets through a closed door in his house, killing her, but says he thought he was protecting himself from a burglar.
Prosecutor Gerrie Nel has argued aggressively that Pistorius argued with Steenkamp before killing her. If she was crouched defensively when she was killed, that could support Nel's case, implying that she knew what was coming.
If the judge believes Wolmarans, on the other hand, it could suggest Steenkamp was taken by surprise.
Fierce cross-examination
Nel battered Wolmarans as the cross-examination began, demanding to know how many different versions of his analysis he gave the defense team, whom he consulted about it and whether he had changed any of his report.
Flustered and occasionally appearing angry, Wolmarans said he had fixed some of the English in his report -- it not being his native language -- but not his conclusions.
He also said he would not have changed his conclusions based on conversations he had over beer with another defense expert, Roger Dixon, because Dixon is not a ballistics expert.
Nel pounced, demanding whether the court should also disregard Dixon's testimony.
Once the questioning turned to the specifics of the night Steenkamp was killed, Wolmarans recovered his composure and stood his ground.
Nel disputed the former police officer's description of where Steenkamp was when the final bullet hit her in the head.
The prosecutor said that if her position was as Wolmarans described it, there were have been no space for her head. The ballistics expert disagreed.
He also stepped into the reconstruction of Pistorius' bathroom in the court, to demonstrate, leading to one of the few light moments in the trial.
He closed the door as he stepped into the toilet cubicle and then said to the judge, "I'm sorry, my lady, you can't see me," prompting laughter in court.
Weeping witness
Wolmarans earlier agreed with prosecution witnesses who said Pistorius, a double amputee, was on his stumps when he shot Steenkamp. Before the murder trial began, the state had said Pistorius put on his prosthetic legs before killing his girlfriend -- implying that the killing was premeditated -- but Nel shifted his position when the trial began.
Wolmarans is in court for a second day.
On Thursday, defense witnesses included probation officer and social worker Yvette van Schalkwyk, who testified that Pistorius was not faking the dramatic suffering he has shown in court.
The gripping trial has seen Pistorius break down repeatedly, crying, wailing and sometimes throwing up as the court sees and hears evidence about Steenkamp's death.
Evidence has included graphic photos of the wounds; testimony from neighbors, friends, police and pathologists; and the actual door through which Pistorius fired four hollow-tipped bullets on the fateful night.
Judge's decision
There is no dispute that Pistorius shot and killed Steenkamp in his home early on the morning of Valentine's Day 2013.
Prosecutor Nel tore into Pistorius over five days in court in April, saying the Paralympic medalist had argued with Steenkamp and killed her on purpose. He tried to force Pistorius to look at a picture of Steenkamp's head after the shooting, accused Pistorius of being selfish and possessive, and said he refused to take responsibility for his actions.
Judge Thokozile Masipa must decide whether Pistorius genuinely made a terrible mistake or whether he murdered Steenkamp intentionally.
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His defence have now decided he's mentally unbalanced, got the trial suspended for a month for him to have a psychiatric assessment. Slimy little bastard!
Having failed spectacularly to convince anyone of the credibility of his lies and ridiculous story, his defence now realise he's going down and are looking for a get-out card. If he was unstable why not say at the beginning of the trial? They've also said that having his feet amputated when he was a small child gave him some sort of anxiety disability - well despite this anxiety he managed to become a gold medal olympic athlete! What a crock of shit.
Having failed spectacularly to convince anyone of the credibility of his lies and ridiculous story, his defence now realise he's going down and are looking for a get-out card. If he was unstable why not say at the beginning of the trial? They've also said that having his feet amputated when he was a small child gave him some sort of anxiety disability - well despite this anxiety he managed to become a gold medal olympic athlete! What a crock of shit.
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Morning Tess
I read the assessments differently. His defence was trying for all their might yesterday to prevent the 30 days. The state requested it. Nells told the judge basically that without it if an appeal were to be lodged then she might not been seen to her job properly for not ordering it.
I read the assessments differently. His defence was trying for all their might yesterday to prevent the 30 days. The state requested it. Nells told the judge basically that without it if an appeal were to be lodged then she might not been seen to her job properly for not ordering it.
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Morning Gerbsgerber wrote:Morning Tess
I read the assessments differently. His defence was trying for all their might yesterday to prevent the 30 days. The state requested it. Nells told the judge basically that without it if an appeal were to be lodged then she might not been seen to her job properly for not ordering it.
Thanks - I read it wrong. Don't understand why the prosecution want this though...
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Tesstacious wrote:Morning Gerbsgerber wrote:Morning Tess
I read the assessments differently. His defence was trying for all their might yesterday to prevent the 30 days. The state requested it. Nells told the judge basically that without it if an appeal were to be lodged then she might not been seen to her job properly for not ordering it.
Thanks - I read it wrong. Don't understand why the prosecution want this though...
Yesterday Nells put his case to the judge. He kept citing case after case that had gone to appeal because the assessment had not happened earlier. Oscar's lawyer trying his best to avoid the 30 days mentioned one case that Nells had discussed. Nells replied by saying he knew the case very very indeed as he was the lawyer in 1991.
Maybe Nells is trying to prevent his reputation but is claiming he is protecting the judge.
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Reeva wasn't in a defensive position?
She had locked herself in the toilet!!!
That's pretty defensive to me....!
And this anxiety disorder thing is obviously clutching at straws!
She had locked herself in the toilet!!!
That's pretty defensive to me....!
And this anxiety disorder thing is obviously clutching at straws!
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maybe the state realised they might loose
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gerber wrote:maybe the state realised they might loose
I think they are trying to pre-empt any grounds for appeal
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Nems, that's not only the right answer, but frankly the right thing to do. The way to build a case is like building a brick wall. You miss a brick, and the whole thing caves in. So you don't miss a brick.
Just my opinion, but you don't grasp at straws if you are winning. How many theories of the case has the defense raised, only to have to discard it and turn to the next. After a while, you see that they are pretty desperate.
If you've got a winner, you don't act so squirrely.
Besides, this guys whining and bawling has got to disgust the judge. He's such a dickless worm.
Just my opinion, but you don't grasp at straws if you are winning. How many theories of the case has the defense raised, only to have to discard it and turn to the next. After a while, you see that they are pretty desperate.
If you've got a winner, you don't act so squirrely.
Besides, this guys whining and bawling has got to disgust the judge. He's such a dickless worm.
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Original Quill wrote:Nems, that's not only the right answer, but frankly the right thing to do. The way to build a case is like building a brick wall. You miss a brick, and the whole thing caves in. So you don't miss a brick.
Just my opinion, but you don't grasp at straws if you are winning. How many theories of the case has the defense raised, only to have to discard it and turn to the next. After a while, you see that they are pretty desperate.
If you've got a winner, you don't act so squirrely.
Besides, this guys whining and bawling has got to disgust the judge. He's such a dickless worm.
Agreed, he certainly disgusts me. I have no problem with the thought of him being in a psychiatric unit for 30 days quite the opposite.
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The trial picks up at the question of whether these were female screams. Can a man make screams that sound like a woman?
The prosecution says they are a woman's scream, which would mean that they were Re'eva's cries and Oscar knew he was shooting her.
The defense says they were Oscar's screams at the would-be burglar.
The prosecution says they are a woman's scream, which would mean that they were Re'eva's cries and Oscar knew he was shooting her.
The defense says they were Oscar's screams at the would-be burglar.
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