13/02/2021

The day Americas moral leadership in the world died

Sorry, I know a lot of bad shit has been happening in America, but what actually happened on that day?

Ben Reilly wrote:Sorry, I know a lot of bad shit has been happening in America, but what actually happened on that day?

No idea i am a bloody idiot it should read(an i will correct it) 13/02/2021 the day republicans acquitted trump for inciting a insurrection

Didn't realize that happened today -- Jesus Christ. They're all a bunch of Trump-worshipping insurrectionists.

Ben Reilly wrote:Didn't realize that happened today -- Jesus Christ. They're all a bunch of Trump-worshipping insurrectionists.

Although it was expected it was shocking to watch in real time ,What was worse was Mitch McConnell said later After voting Not guilty

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"There's no question, none, that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day. No question about it. The people that stormed this building believed they were acting on the wishes and instructions of their president,". he added

And having that belief was a foreseeable consequence of the growing crescendo of false statements, conspiracy theories and reckless hyperbole, which the defeated president kept shouting into the largest megaphone on the Earth,"

he then also suggested that Trump could face criminal prosecution for his actions.?
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It was infuriating,and sad

If America ever had any moral leadership, it didn't come the clowns in that building.

McConnell voted not guilty because he believed it was unconstitutional because Trump was out of office. Many scholars agree with him.

Of course it was McConnell that drug his feet and made sure the hearings didn't happen until after Trump was gone, giving him and others political cover.

Maddog wrote:If America ever had any moral leadership, it didn't come the clowns in that building.  

McConnell voted not guilty because he believed it was unconstitutional because Trump was out of office. Many scholars agree with him.

Of course it was McConnell that drug his feet and made sure the hearings didn't happen until after Trump was gone, giving him and others political cover.  

Yup that's pretty much the size of it.He basically stacked the deck

Korban wrote:

Maddog wrote:If America ever had any moral leadership, it didn't come the clowns in that building.  

McConnell voted not guilty because he believed it was unconstitutional because Trump was out of office. Many scholars agree with him.

Of course it was McConnell that drug his feet and made sure the hearings didn't happen until after Trump was gone, giving him and others political cover.  

Yup that's pretty much the size of it.He basically stacked the deck

Of course not a single Dem saw it as unconstitutional.

Basically the most "moral" politicians are the ones that will break with their party to uphold their oath. They are few and far between.

Maddog wrote:

Korban wrote:
Yup that's pretty much the size of it.He basically stacked the deck

Of course not a single Dem saw it as unconstitutional.

The Democrats followed the only interpretation of the Constitution that makes sense.

Otherwise, it sets up a 'January exemption', in which the incumbent may commit 'high crimes' while the Constitution looks the other way. McConnell's theory says there is a haven for lawlessness, without constitutional recourse. It sets precedent for all who follow to engage in illegal conduct with impunity.

Nor is the is the issue moot. Removal from office is only one remedy that results from impeachment. If convicted, an office-holder is forever barred from holding elected office, or appointment, again in the federal system. To abandon the impeachment process because a candidate is voted out of office is to foreclose that remedy.

McConnell is simply trying to deflect from what Republicans have done by allowing a criminal, whose actions have encompassed murder of a police officer, to go free.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Of course not a single Dem saw it as unconstitutional.

The Democrats followed the only interpretation of the Constitution that makes sense.  

Otherwise, it sets up a 'January exemption', in which the incumbent may commit 'high crimes' while the Constitution looks the other way.  McConnell's theory says there is a haven for lawlessness, without constitutional recourse.  It sets precedent for all who follow to engage in illegal conduct with impunity.  

Nor is the is the issue moot.  Removal from office is only one remedy that results from impeachment.  If convicted, an office-holder is forever barred from holding elected office, or appointment, again in the federal system.  To abandon the impeachment process because a candidate is voted out of office is to foreclose that remedy.

McConnell is simply trying to deflect from what Republicans have done by allowing a criminal, whose actions have encompassed murder of a police officer, to go free.

Every single one saw it the same way. Of course party line votes are basically the norm now.

While i may be guilty of violating "Godwins law" of Nazi analogies,That being the Internet adage asserting that "as an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1. the parallels are perhaps striking

In 1923, Hitler enlisted the help of World War I General Ludendorff for an attempted coup, four police officers were killed in the failed coup. 10 years later he came back formed the Nazi party and the rest is history ,that why trump needed impeached, so he cant come back

Now while given his age and ongoing legal liability Trump is unlikely to run again .However that said the possibility of ether his daughter,or son (Not Eric) assuming that mantle and taking over his base is a real and somewhat worrying thought