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Post by michae1 Sat 12 Dec 2020 - 22:48

The Beast Revelation

This letter is dedicated to all Christians.

The following letter is a summary of Revelation 13. Its purpose is to show the method used in finding the conclusions which have been stated. Nothing new has been added from my previous letters. It is more of a compilation of them all. This writing is the same material in different words. The Bible uses this same method of explanation. There are four Gospels. In each you see a different view of the same material. This can be beneficial because the meaning becomes more exact. Although, if this is a first time reader, then this will all be news to you. With that in mind, here we go.


The first thing that should be addressed when doing any study of Bible prophecy is what questions do I intend to answer. Some of these questions can seem a little simplistic, but their answers are much more complicated. In my studies there were only a few questions that I saw as needing an answer. My questions were very simple. First, who is this individual who is identified by the number 666? Second, who is the false prophet and how does he make the whole world worship the beast whose number is 666. Another question has to do with these same individuals. Could these two individuals be the same person, or for that matter Satan himself? Where is Satan during all this? That last question is very important. It actually goes straight to the answer of all the questions. Finally, when would someone expect to see these individuals on the Earth? Literally, what time frame should I see them? Those are the questions. The answers are much more involved.

This narrative will attempt to show how the answers are figured out. These answers can be seen from events that happen in the nightly news. This leads me to a key, which most of us know, but most of us forget. The Bible is a history book. Some events have happened, while some are waiting to happen. It is the ones that have not happened that we are most concerned with. Here is another key. By the way, these keys I speak of are keys to understanding. The Lord spoke in parables. The reason he gave was that it was for some to know the mysteries of God, while it was for some to know not. In hearing, they do not hear. In seeing, they do not see. I compare it to telling the truth, while hiding it at the same time. Many of the parables that the Lord spoke he immediately gave an answer to. He showed how he used certain symbols and words to describe subjects and then gave their meanings. Now for the punch line. The Lord also spoke in parables that he did not identify. These parables go straight to the hidden meaning of these end times. Another key is word substitution. An example of this is a pretty well-known item from Revelation. This word substitution deals with Revelation 13:1. The beast has seven heads and ten horns. In Revelation 17 those heads and horns are defined. The heads are identified as mountains, while the horns are identified as kings. This changes the whole picture of what the beast is symbolically to what it is literally. Now Rev.13:1 can be read as follows with just the items discussed thus far. And I saw a beast rise up out of the sea having seven mountains and ten kings. That is a simple and easy word substitution. Know that this will happen many times throughout the Bible.

Now, getting back to the questions. The question is, where is Satan? If this question can be answered, you can eliminate some others. Some prophecy teachers believe that Satan is the beast, or that Satan is the false prophet. This interpretation is misleading, and it also creates a stumbling block in the path to a proper interpretation. I almost always get this question. How can you know who the beast is when he cannot be revealed? 2nd Thess. Chapter 2 states that he cannot be revealed, until something is removed first. Most scholars have this part right. That is a picture of the Rapture. What they have wrong is that Satan and the beast are not the same individual. Satan cannot be revealed until after the rapture, but he is not the beast. Therefore, I can identify the beast and his false prophet. People say prove it. So I did. I told them how to understand using the keys that I have mentioned. Revelation 13 is a parable, but God is not giving the definition, or the explanation. This one is for us to figure out. Ok, so where is Satan? In the book of Job, we get a view of Satan's abilities. In one scene, he is discussing with God about Job. Question, where is God? He is in heaven. Also, in his conversation with God Satan is talking as if he knows and has seen Job. God declares that he can do whatever he wants to Job, but he was not allowed to kill him. Now we know something else about Satan. He also has access to the Earth, and can affect peoples lives. So, it appears that Satan can be everywhere he wants to be, on Earth or in heaven. We know Satan and his angels will be cast out of heaven as per Revelation 12. This would further the idea that he is now in heaven. We also see Satan one other time, when he tempted Christ during his time on Earth. It says that he was taken to the wilderness to be tempted of Satan? Most people, and rightly so, have thought the wilderness to be a place on Earth, but this is a parable I believe. The Lord was in the wilderness and was tempted by Satan, but the wilderness is in heaven. This parable is read in Isaiah 35. It is the wilderness and the solitary place where the redeemed of the Lord walk. So, this last item being the most hard to prove, suffice it to say, that when Rev.12 says Satan will be cast out, he must be there in heaven to be cast out. Alright, now we can answer a couple questions. One, Satan is himself, and he is in heaven. Therefore, he is not the beast or the false prophet. These three work together, but each has his own identity.

Now to dissect Revelation 13. As I have already stated, Revelation 13 is a word substitution parable. The seven heads are seven mountains and the ten horns are ten kings. Ok, we know from this description that the beast as described is a group of possibly ten countries. This brings me to another point. There are three definitions for the beast in Revelation 13. The first is a group of countries rising up out of the sea. The second is in Rev.13:11 and is a beast with two horns (kings). Remember horns are kings as per Rev. 17. Finally, there is a beast who is identified by the number 666. It is this last beast that causes all to receive a mark and that no man can buy and sell save he who has the mark, his number, or his name. There are three items here. Nowhere does it say that the mark is the number 666. This might have been a good guess 20 yrs. ago , but it is pretty hard to believe. Imagine people running around with a mark of 666 on their right hands. It sounds like a cartoon, but this is what the prophecy teachers want you to believe. Ok, another problem that sounds like a cartoon is the interpretation of the word "all." They want you to believe that no man could buy or sell if they did not worship the beast and take his mark. Interpreting the word "all" to mean everyone in the world. This is not the case. For one, we know that the beast is made up of only possibly ten countries. Everyone in this world lives in roughly 190 countries. I don't think we could possibly mean everyone. How about, all of those people concerned with the mark. Also, how do you cause all people concerned to receive a mark, and why? The most obvious way to mark everyone is at the voting booth. All people, rich and poor, small and great, or free and bond are potential voters. So, Mahmoud Abbas was elected president of the Palestinian Authority, and in the process all voters received an indelible ink mark on their right hands. This mark was to prevent double voting and corruption in the election. Ok, we have a mark. It is not 666. At this point he fits the part, but not completely. Still, there is no ready identification of 666 concerning him. This election was in January 2005.

Back to Rev.13. We have seven mountains and ten kings. Prophecy teachers want us to believe that a city with seven mountains is the seat of the antichrist and he rules with ten nations. Their logical conclusion was the Europe Union and the Vatican. This started the revived Roman empire theory. This theory has been around since the reformation. It is hard to believe this charade has gone on so long. Teachers are still preaching the Revived Roman Empire. This theory had some validity before the twentieth century and now has to be eliminated. None of these teachers could have predicted the fall of the Ottoman Empire and its division into so many separate sovereign nations. Back to our word substitution. There is an interesting item here concerning the word mountains in scripture. The word mountains can have two meanings. It can be either a mountain range, or a nation. This is the hardest part of this whole exercise, trying to figure out what mountains are describing. Teachers will have you believe it is a city with seven mountains. In actual fact, mountains here are referring to nations. This also pertains to the head wound. The wound was not a literal head wound at all, but was a nation that was wounded. The beast's head or nation was wounded and was healed. This is the Palestinian Authority after the beginning of the Oslo Accords. The land that Israel possessed was now being given back to the Palestinians and the beast's nation is being healed. Ok, so now I have seven nations and ten kings, Rev.13:1. Why do I have three more kings than nations? It seems I have a king for each nation, but three left over. In Daniel in says the beast subdued three kings. These three kings don't necessarily have to be from different countries. It seems so, but is not expressly mentioned. It is another parable. The three kings who were subdued by the beast were Israeli Prime Ministers. These three Prime Ministers all served during the seven years of the Oslo Accords and were voted out of office because of terror perpetrated during Yasser Arafat's rule. Now, I am down to seven nations. These seven nations will wage war. I can easily see seven nations that will wage war here very soon; Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Iran and the Palestinian Authority or Iraq, and there opponent Israel. This is exactly the same beast that is presented in Rev.17:10, just in a slightly different appearance. There are seven kings, five are fallen. This means five kings were defeated in war. Israel is referred to the "one that is," and the one that came later is the Palestinian Authority. This is a description of Israel's war for Independence. Literally, this was the beast being born. The war in 1967 is the beast rising up out of the sea in Rev.13:1. It was the unresolved issues of this conflict that resulted in the Oslo Accords of 1993. This seven year peace treaty was confirmed by Yitzhak Rabin and Yasser Arafat.

Now, there is another beast in Rev.13:11. This beast has two horns or kings. This is a picture of the Palestinian Authority after the elections of January 2006. This is when Hamas ran in the elections and won a majority in parliament. Now the P.A. was a country with two kings. Abbas was the President and Ismail Haniyeh was the Prime Minister. Here is where the problem with money came about. Western Nations did not want to donate money to a known terrorist organization so looked for a way they could still fund Abbas's P.A., but not let any money get to Hamas. This is when the number 666 identified an individual. The temporary international mechanism was adopted on June 16, 2006. This program allowed Western Nations to donate funds directly to Abbas, while bypassing Hamas. If you were a member of Fatah, or on Abbas's payroll you got paid. This is how the people were allowed to buy and sell. They received salaries, whereas before the mechanism, they had no way of getting paid from the Government. Hamas did not receive salaries. Also, Hamas did not receive the mark of the beast. They boycotted the elections for President in Jan. 2005.
It is more obvious who is being talked about the closer you get to the end.

In conclusion, to my three beast definitions. Mahmoud Abbas fits all three definitions. He was a member of the P.A. when it was formed. He took over from Yasser Arafat after his death. He was one of the two kings of the second beast in Rev.13:11. Lastly, he is the one identified by the number 666, which could have been Arafat had he lived.

Now, concerning the false prophet. The following four verses below all refer to the false prophet, Ismail Haniyeh.

Rev.13:11- and I beheld another beast coming up out of the Earth, and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev.13:12- And he exercises all the power of the first beast before him, and causes the earth and them which dwell therein, to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev.13:13- "And he does great wonders, so that he makes fire come down from heaven on the Earth in the sight of men".
Rev.13:15- And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast, should be killed.


Hamas exercised all the power of the first beast (Abbas's P.A.) because they were now an equal partner in the Government. Also, the leader of Hamas caused them to worship or honor the first beast because Hamas would not honor the first beast. The first beast was the PA without Hamas as a member. The image of the beast is what the Government of Mahmoud Abbas represented. Verse 12 does not mention the image yet, we are just informed that the false prophet caused them to worship the first beast. Verse 14 and 15 gives the details of how that worshipping or honor was to commence. An image was created of the first beast that he (the false prophet) caused to be honored. This image of the beast is three items; the recognition of Israel, the honoring of all prior Palestinian agreements, and a renunciation of terror.

The last question I think that needs addressed is how do you know the timing is right? Meaning, there have been so many translations, how do you know that this one is correct? This is a question I always get asked. The answer, in my mind, is sort of a mix between two different prophecies. The first is the seven day prophecy as recorded in Genesis. It is a similitude between this and the amount of recorded time that has already happened on Earth. In the book of Peter, God says one day to him is as a thousand years. If that idea is applied to the Genesis creation, everyday that God created something one thousand years passed. Finally, on the last day he rested from his work, and his rest was one thousand years or one of God's days. This was one full week or 7000 years. After God's rest he started his work again, and he created Adam. Starting with Adam, it was approximately 4000 years to the time of Christ. Also, we know that Christ was here roughly 2000 years ago. If God was to be consistent with his one week schedule, then we could expect his day of rest to fall somewhere after the year two thousand. 4000 plus 2000 is six days and on the seventh he rested for one thousand years. This is not an exact estimate, but it can put you in the right ballpark when searching for the correct timing of Revelation. This is the estimate. The next item is more exact. Daniel 9:27 says that he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week. Many in Hebrew is Rab. This was a covenant confirmed with Yitzhak Rabin. It was the beginning of land for peace, or the Oslo Accords. When you see this agreement happen you should be aware that this prophecy will last seven years. There is only one problem with this item. Prior to it happening, everyone thought that the end of the seventh year of the agreement God would return and begin his rest. Well, that did not happen. The reason was a logical misinterpretation. It just mentions that this agreement must occur along with the prophecies mentioned, not that they would all happen and end on the last day of the seventh year. This has thrown everyone watching off-course for a time. Although, this was not such a terrible mistake if the watcher could see the right answer and get his, or her perspective back. When you have these two items coinciding at the expected time, then you know Revelation can be interpreted with accuracy. The events should start happening, as they have, as I have recorded in this letter.

May God bless all who read this letter.

Michael

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Post by eddie Sat 12 Dec 2020 - 22:55

Welcome to the forum Michael.

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Post by Ben Reilly Sat 12 Dec 2020 - 23:29

Revelations implies that the Antichrist will have a strong connection to Rome. Does Mahmoud Abbas have any connection to Rome whatsoever?

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Post by michae1 Sat 12 Dec 2020 - 23:59

Ben Reilly wrote:Revelations implies that the Antichrist will have a strong connection to Rome. Does Mahmoud Abbas have any connection to Rome whatsoever?

The statement which you make is false and an opinion. Therefore, there is no need for Abbas to have any connection to Rome. Along with other numerous false interpretations, the Roman scenario is just a way to hide the truth. If the enemy can make you believe a lie, then you will not see the true meaning. A better approach would be to look for those who deny Christ, then you will find the answers. Catholics are Christians.

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Post by Ben Reilly Sun 13 Dec 2020 - 0:08

Dude, I'm an atheist so I could seriously not give two fucks. I just wonder whether you serously believe that Mahmoud Abbas is poised to rule over all the tribes and nations of the Earth, if you think Abbas will perform miracles, if you think people will worship him, etc. Because the Bible does say that's what the Antichrist will be like.

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Post by michae1 Sun 13 Dec 2020 - 0:21

Ben Reilly wrote:Dude, I'm an atheist so I could seriously not give two fucks. I just wonder whether you serously believe that Mahmoud Abbas is poised to rule over all the tribes and nations of the Earth, if you think Abbas will perform miracles, if you think people will worship him, etc. Because the Bible does say that's what the Antichrist will be like.

 I'm no longer interested in your questions.

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Post by eddie Sun 13 Dec 2020 - 0:27

michae1 wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:Dude, I'm an atheist so I could seriously not give two fucks. I just wonder whether you serously believe that Mahmoud Abbas is poised to rule over all the tribes and nations of the Earth, if you think Abbas will perform miracles, if you think people will worship him, etc. Because the Bible does say that's what the Antichrist will be like.

 I'm no longer interested in your questions.

He never asked a question. What you mean is, you don’t wish to discuss this any further.
Perhaps you don’t want to, or can’t, for your own reasons Only you know that.

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Post by Ben Reilly Sun 13 Dec 2020 - 0:28

michae1 wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:Dude, I'm an atheist so I could seriously not give two fucks. I just wonder whether you serously believe that Mahmoud Abbas is poised to rule over all the tribes and nations of the Earth, if you think Abbas will perform miracles, if you think people will worship him, etc. Because the Bible does say that's what the Antichrist will be like.

 I'm no longer interested in your questions.

Shall I lock the thread then?

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Post by gelico Sun 13 Dec 2020 - 0:33



that was interesting but i would have to read it a few times and i'm totally ignorant of it all. i'm sure there are plenty of different interpretations of what is meant by bible verses

each to their own and all that

i'd like to have didge's comments


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Post by gelico Sun 13 Dec 2020 - 0:33



welcome Michael by the way

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Post by Ben Reilly Sun 13 Dec 2020 - 0:33

I actually have a load of questions, though, and I'm going to ask them as this is still my forum:

Who the fuck is Mahmoud Abbas?

As a person who does a reasonably good job of keeping up with current events, why haven't I heard of Mahmoud Abbas?

If Mahmoud Abbas is meant to rule the world, why isn't his name on everyone's lips already?

Has Mahmoud Abbas ever performed a miracle?

Has Mahmoud Abbas ever blasphemed God?

Is Mahmoud Abbas poised to take control of the world economy at any point in the foreseeable future?

If not, does Mahmoud Abbas fit the description given of the Antichrist given in the book of Revelations?

I love questions, probably why I became a journalist. Not everybody likes questions, and that's fine too.

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Post by gelico Sun 13 Dec 2020 - 0:40



president of the Palestinian Authority

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Post by michae1 Sun 13 Dec 2020 - 0:42

Ben Reilly wrote:I actually have a load of questions, though, and I'm going to ask them as this is still my forum:

Who the fuck is Mahmoud Abbas?

As a person who does a reasonably good job of keeping up with current events, why haven't I heard of Mahmoud Abbas?

If Mahmoud Abbas is meant to rule the world, why isn't his name on everyone's lips already?

Has Mahmoud Abbas ever performed a miracle?

Has Mahmoud Abbas ever blasphemed God?

Is Mahmoud Abbas poised to take control of the world economy at any point in the foreseeable future?

If not, does Mahmoud Abbas fit the description given of the Antichrist given in the book of Revelations?

I love questions, probably why I became a journalist. Not everybody likes questions, and that's fine too.

Your questions have a lot of false interpretations mixed in. I have answered them all in the letter.

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Post by Didgee Sun 13 Dec 2020 - 1:16

gelico wrote:

that was interesting but i would have to read it a few times and i'm totally ignorant of it all.  i'm sure there are plenty of different interpretations of what is meant by bible verses

each to their own and all that

i'd like to have didge's comments


This claimed letter has been running around for over a decade and oddly enough the world has not ended Gelico

All I can find is the same letter placed in forums since 2011

No actual link to the source of this letter mind

That I would be more interested in seeing

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Post by michae1 Sun 13 Dec 2020 - 1:22

Didgee wrote:
gelico wrote:

that was interesting but i would have to read it a few times and i'm totally ignorant of it all.  i'm sure there are plenty of different interpretations of what is meant by bible verses

each to their own and all that

i'd like to have didge's comments


This claimed letter has been running around for over a decade and oddly enough the world has not ended Gelico

All I can find is the same letter placed in forums since 2011

No actual link to the source of this letter mind

That I would be more interested in seeing

And I bet you don't feel it is getting any closer, Covid-19.

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Post by Didgee Sun 13 Dec 2020 - 1:26

michae1 wrote:
Didgee wrote:

This claimed letter has been running around for over a decade and oddly enough the world has not ended Gelico

All I can find is the same letter placed in forums since 2011

No actual link to the source of this letter mind

That I would be more interested in seeing

And I bet you don't feel it is getting any closer,  Covid-19.

No I do not think its getting any closer

Covid 19 has a 3% death rate and mainly in the elderly

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Post by Vintage Sun 13 Dec 2020 - 13:03

Does the Antichrist have to be a person, could it be a political regime or a religious ideology or maybe a global company that gets so much power it decides how we live?
There are plenty of versions of politics and religions actively trying to do that and with private companies owning things like water rights and patents for food stuffs, the third option could be around the corner.
What is your title Michael 1 doubt its Mr.

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Post by Original Quill Sun 13 Dec 2020 - 16:48

michae1 wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:Dude, I'm an atheist so I could seriously not give two fucks. I just wonder whether you serously believe that Mahmoud Abbas is poised to rule over all the tribes and nations of the Earth, if you think Abbas will perform miracles, if you think people will worship him, etc. Because the Bible does say that's what the Antichrist will be like.

 I'm no longer interested in your questions.

If you can't answer the message, attack the messenger. It's an old trick.

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Post by Original Quill Sun 13 Dec 2020 - 16:50

Welcome Michae1, btw.

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Post by michae1 Sun 13 Dec 2020 - 17:06

Vintage wrote:Does the Antichrist have to be a person, could it be a political regime or a religious ideology or maybe a global company that gets so much power it decides how we live?
There are plenty of versions of politics and religions actively trying to do that and with private companies owning things like water rights and patents for food stuffs, the third option could be around the corner.
What is your title Michael 1 doubt its Mr.

I wish there hadn't been so many pastors and teachers that have claimed they knew something. What a confusing mess they have made. The only way you can know the meaning of Bible prophecy is to see it happen. I can read the same verses that everyone has and see a totally different meaning. The issue that they all have is the same. Instead of watching, they interpreted. They said we see what is written, and we know what it means. Therefore, we will wait for it to happen as we expect. Well, it did not happen as they expected. Now, when the real answer is staring them in the face they cannot see it. When we were all waiting for the answer, none of us really knew the meaning. Therefore, all the ideas had merit. Finally, the real meaning happened. It is now time to get rid of all the mistakes. The teachers need to be humble, instead of trying to sell books. Jesus told the people to "watch."
All of you might disagree, that's fine. I'm not changing a word of what I have said. As a matter of fact, as was already mentioned, this letter has been out since 2011. I never gave a date as to when it would end. I interpreted the verses after seeing them happen. I think the time is coming soon. Here is a fact that not too many people realize. There is not another leader of the beast nations after Abbas. He is the last. He is 85 years old. All the words and verses of Revelation 13 have happened. So, either there is more that has not been mentioned, or with nothing left to say the end will happen soon. I think it would be a good idea to watch what is happening in the middle east.
Yes, the antichrist is a person. In fact, it is Satan. He will be cast out of heaven as per Revelation 12, just after the rapture. He cannot be revealed to the people of God because they will not be present. He will be revealed to his people on the Earth. The people will worship him as a God. He will have 3.5 years to play God then he will be locked up for one thousand years, God's rest. This is why it is important to understand the differences between the beast, the false prophet and the son of perdition, Satan. This was my goal in the letter.
As far as my title, one of them is Mr.

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Post by Vintage Sun 13 Dec 2020 - 20:43

The events, as I recall my Jehovah friends saying are:
Widespread war - when has this never been the case?.
Famine - same question as above.
Earthquakes - we'd be in a bit of a pickle without them and volcanoes, more akin to Mars.
Terrible diseases - again when has this ever been different, smallpox, typhoid, cholera black death?
Crime - again always with us.
Humanity ruining earth - can only agree with this one.
Deterioration in peoples attitudes sort of agree here.
Breakdown of family been happening for some time tribe/clan disperses to unrelated families living in villages/towns everyone then moves on singularly to big cities for work, ties loosen.
religious hypocrisy - always there - Pharisees.
Etc etc. Nothing really worse is happening than it ever has, we just know more about these days, where ever it happens.

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Post by HoratioTarr Sun 13 Dec 2020 - 22:29

Dear Michael,

By the time I didn't finish trawling through that lot, I was hoping to be smote off the face of the earth by a blast of God's nostrils!

Yours

H Tarr

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Post by Vintage Mon 14 Dec 2020 - 20:27

You don't see much of divine smiting these days, there's loads of references in the Old Testament of course, makes you wonder how anyone survived. Not much smiting in the New Testament though.

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Post by eddie Mon 14 Dec 2020 - 23:16

HoratioTarr wrote:Dear Michael,

By the time I didn't finish trawling through that lot, I was hoping to be smote off the face of the earth by a blast of God's nostrils!

Yours

H Tarr


Hahahahahaha now that, was funny!

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Post by Ben Reilly Mon 14 Dec 2020 - 23:39

michae1 wrote:
Vintage wrote:Does the Antichrist have to be a person, could it be a political regime or a religious ideology or maybe a global company that gets so much power it decides how we live?
There are plenty of versions of politics and religions actively trying to do that and with private companies owning things like water rights and patents for food stuffs, the third option could be around the corner.
What is your title Michael 1 doubt its Mr.

I wish there hadn't been so many pastors and teachers that have claimed they knew something. What a confusing mess they have made. The only way you can know the meaning of Bible prophecy is to see it happen. I can read the same verses that everyone has and see a totally different meaning. The issue that they all have is the same. Instead of watching, they interpreted. They said we see what is written, and we know what it means. Therefore, we will wait for it to happen as we expect. Well, it did not happen as they expected. Now, when the real answer is staring them in the face they cannot see it. When we were all waiting for the answer, none of us really knew the meaning. Therefore, all the ideas had merit. Finally, the real meaning happened. It is now time to get rid of all the mistakes. The teachers need to be humble, instead of trying to sell books. Jesus told the people to "watch."
All of you might disagree, that's fine. I'm not changing a word of what I have said. As a matter of fact, as was already mentioned, this letter has been out since 2011. I never gave a date as to when it would end. I interpreted the verses after seeing them happen. I think the time is coming soon. Here is a fact that not too many people realize. There is not another leader of the beast nations after Abbas. He is the last. He is 85 years old. All the words and verses of Revelation 13 have happened. So, either there is more that has not been mentioned, or with nothing left to say the end will happen soon. I think it would be a good idea to watch what is happening in the middle east.
Yes, the antichrist is a person. In fact, it is Satan. He will be cast out of heaven as per Revelation 12, just after the rapture. He cannot be revealed to the people of God because they will not be present. He will be revealed to his people on the Earth. The people will worship him as a God. He will have 3.5 years to play God then he will be locked up for one thousand years, God's rest. This is why it is important to understand the differences between the beast, the false prophet and the son of perdition, Satan. This was my goal in the letter.
As far as my title, one of them is Mr.

I feel bad for you, man. It must be so frustrating to be the only 35-year-old virgin working the drive-through of your local Burger King who listens to hardcore punk rock and really "gets it."

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Post by Ben Reilly Mon 14 Dec 2020 - 23:41

And I'm going to do my best to remember this thread when I'm an old man and ask whether you still think it's all going to happen really soon. I bet you say that you do.

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Post by Vintage Wed 16 Dec 2020 - 16:38

How many times has 'the end is nigh - see the signs' been said at so many times and in so many places. In Britain's history alone there was a time in the dark ages when the summers were a washout, not only wet but cold and dark, harvests were ruined so famine became familiar and disease was rife, most were convinced this was the end. Then there was the Little Ice age when most of the world thought it was the end. Imagine this all over the world all through time probably - with droughts, bad harvests, famine, disease and all the nay sayers crying and yelling how you'd all been very bad and your god/s were angry and this was the end.

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Post by Maddog Wed 16 Dec 2020 - 16:48

Am I the only one that finds it odd that this is the very first post of someone who has been a member here since April of 2019?

Maybe they type slow and/or they have been composing this opus for over a year and half?

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