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Post by Tommy Monk Thu Dec 10, 2020 3:40 pm

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Greater Manchester Police failed to record more than 80,000 crimes in a year, closing cases prematurely without consulting vulnerable victims, a report has found.

England's second largest police force failed to record one in five offences committed between 1 July 2019 and 30 June 2020 - the equivalent of around 220 crimes a day.

One in four violent crimes went unreported, including domestic abuse, stalking and harassment, with detectives deciding to close cases without considering victims' wishes in "too many" circumstances.

Inspectors from Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary and Fire and Rescue Services (HMICFRS) said the findings were "deeply troubling".

They estimated that the number of reported crimes recorded by the force fell 11.3% from 2018 - to just 77.7%.


https://news.sky.com/story/greater-manchester-police-failed-to-record-over-80-000-crimes-report-finds-12156647


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Post by Maddog Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:21 am

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You don't seem to understand what has been going on here!

We are not talking about bullshit reports of crime... we are talking about actual crimes which the police routinely did not record as crimes.

What crimes?  It's not up to you to say.  It's up to the experts.  The police are the experts.

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Post by Original Quill Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:12 am

Maddog wrote:
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What crimes?  It's not up to you to say.  It's up to the experts.  The police are the experts.

EOS.

I thought you were the expert. Cool

Well, I did teach criminal justice at multiple universities.  As far as the determination of what is a crime, it boils down to two things: motive and opportunity.  What is an "actual crime" boils down to those two things, as well.  They appear to be scarce in the allegations that come to the GMP.

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Post by Maddog Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:47 am

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Post by Tommy Monk Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:16 am




The evidence is already in that the police force failed to record 20% of actual crimes that they should have recorded as crimes!!!


I cannot understand why some here keep on trying to deny this!?


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Post by Syl Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:50 pm

There is no doubt, and no one who is involved is arguing, that GMP have been failing in their duties.
Ian Hopkins should have been sacked...instead he has taken early retirement, the day after GMP....the second largest constabulary in the UK, is to be placed in special measures.



"Greater Manchester Police is to be placed in ‘special measures’ following last week’s damning inspection report, the M.E.N. can exclusively reveal.

Her Majesty’s Inspectorate for policing has escalated GMP into what is officially known as the ‘national oversight process’ as a result of its failures around crime recording and the protection of vulnerable people.

Only one other force - Cleveland - is believed to have ever been placed into those measures, the highest level of escalation.

The move will involve much more hands-on involvement from the inspectorate, the Home Office, College of Policing and the National Police Chiefs Council, with the measures to remain in place until GMP can demonstrate sufficient improvement.

It comes after a blistering report last week found the force had significantly deteriorated in its crime recording since 2018 and was now even worse at it than in 2016, when it was rated inadequate."



https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newsmanchester/breaking-greater-manchester-police-to-be-placed-in-special-measures/ar-BB1c18EY#:~:text=Only%20one%20other%20force%20-%20Cleveland%20-%20is,into%20those%20measures%2C%20the%20highest%20level%20of%20escalation.
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Post by Original Quill Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:34 pm

We've also had this in Oakland, CA. Oakland's police force had been hit by layoffs and budget cuts, resulting in complete mismanagement of day-to-day operations. In 2012, a federal judge ordered the Oakland Police Department to seek approval on major policing initiatives from an independent expert and placed it one step away from federal receivership. https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970204624204577183211223587948

It was found that if the feds want to take over the charging functions, they must also take over the prosecution functions… you can’t just charge people; you must also try them. Given the adversarial nature of law enforcement, one has to put up or shut up. Eventually, they will have to step into the shoes of the police, and ultimately face the same issues and challenges that the police at present must face.

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Post by Maddog Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:07 pm

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The evidence is already in that the police force failed to record 20% of actual crimes that they should have recorded as crimes!!!


I cannot understand why some here keep on trying to deny this!?



Some folks are prone to deception and denial.

It's a character flaw.
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Post by Tommy Monk Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:59 pm






This behaviour by GMP is widespread across the UK and is a deliberate attempt to try to hide the true figures on the epidemic of crime that we have now here by blacks and Muslims.


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Post by Syl Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:28 pm

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This behaviour by GMP is widespread across the UK and is a deliberate attempt to try to hide the true figures on the epidemic of crime that we have now here by blacks and Muslims.



It is probably rife up and down the country, and I do believe the authorities are well aware of it.

I doubt (apart from the now well documented cover-up of Muslim Pakistani child grooming and rape gangs) it has anything to do with the colour or ethnicity of criminals though.
There are lots of white none Muslim criminal low lives around in the UK....have you not noticed that Tommy?
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Post by Ben Reilly Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:43 pm

Tommy thinks East Asians and White people are superior to all other races, on the basis of bogus IQ statistics compiled by a discredited racist. He apparently also believes that only stupid people commit crimes, but I've committed, like, half a dozen this week and I'm obviously quite clever Cool
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Post by Syl Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:07 am

What crimes have you committed this week then?

I dont drive now, so I dont think I have committed any.  grin angel
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