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Post by Maddog on Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:30 pm

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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/create_your_own_president_map.html

You can make your own map here if you feel so bold.

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Post by Maddog on Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:52 pm

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gelico wrote:i think this was posted yesterday or today

''In just the last hour in Nevada, an election worker whose job was to process mail-in ballots says he witnessed irregularities in counting those ballots and was told by a supervisor — who he names — to put through ballots he believed needed signature verification without that verification first being done.

He  says he was also told to ignore discrepancies with addresses. That worker has sworn out an affidavit which has been sent to the Department of Justice here in Washington. A Trump campaign attorney says of that, quote, “The affidavit makes clear that we’re not dealing with oversights or sloppiness. This was intentional criminal conduct.”


https://davidharrisjr.com/steven/nevada-whistleblower-says-he-witnessed-processing-of-illegitimate-votes/

Let the Clark County authorities handle it.  It doesn't change anything nationally.

It makes some people wonder how much more is out there?

That's the problem with mail in ballots.

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:38 pm

Let them wonder. There are lots of people who wonder if Vladimir Putin was running the US from the Kremlin.

Until Trump has evidence that would affect an election, it's all gossip. Nevada has six electoral votes.

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Post by Maddog on Tue Nov 10, 2020 3:42 am

Original Quill wrote:Let them wonder.  There are lots of people who wonder if Vladimir Putin was running the US from the Kremlin.

Until Trump has evidence that would affect an election, it's all gossip.  Nevada has six electoral votes.

Are you saying fraud that doesn't affect the election is OK?

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:06 pm

Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Let them wonder.  There are lots of people who wonder if Vladimir Putin was running the US from the Kremlin.

Until Trump has evidence that would affect an election, it's all gossip.  Nevada has six electoral votes.

Are you saying fraud that doesn't affect the election is OK?

Not at all. It's a minor-league crime that should be looked into.

But, if we are talking about this recent presidential election, it doesn't merit any particular political scrutiny. We might as well be talking about someone who threw his gum wrapper on the sidewalk.

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Post by Vintage on Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:33 pm

Slightly off topic but if has been rumoured President elect Biden steps down after a year or so and the Vice President elect becomes the President who then becomes Vice President and on what grounds.

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Post by gelico on Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:41 pm



Trump has taken North Carolina

figures currently at

Biden/Harris 253
Trump/Pence 268

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:36 pm

gelico wrote:

Trump has taken North Carolina

figures currently at

Biden/Harris 253
Trump/Pence 268

North Caroline was but a faint hope for Democrats. They are a part of the deep south. Pennsylvania is all that Biden needed.

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Post by Maddog on Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:39 pm

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Maddog wrote:

Are you saying fraud that doesn't affect the election is OK?

Not at all.  It's a minor-league crime that should be looked into.

But, if we are talking about this recent presidential election, it doesn't merit any particular political scrutiny.  We might as well be talking about someone who threw his gum wrapper on the sidewalk.

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:40 pm

Vintage wrote:Slightly off topic but if has been rumoured President elect Biden steps down after a year or so and the Vice President elect becomes the President who then becomes Vice President and on what grounds.

Per the US Constitution, the president picks/appoints a new Vice-President. This actually happened when Vice-President Agnew had to resign in disgrace, and Nixon had to appoint his replacement. He chose Gerald Ford. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/vice-president-agnew-resigns

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Post by Maddog on Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:42 pm

Vintage wrote:Slightly off topic but if has been rumoured President elect Biden steps down after a year or so and the Vice President elect becomes the President who then becomes Vice President and on what grounds.

Harris would appoint a new VP and both the house and senate would have to approve. The House is controlled by Dems. Most likely the Senate will be controlled by Reps (unless you listen to Quill).

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:46 pm

But, now that Trump has legitimized the practice of provisional appointments, the president can pick a provisional Vice-President. If the Senate refuses to confirm, s/he remains provisional until the end of the term, but otherwise acts with the same authority.

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Post by Maddog on Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:58 pm

Original Quill wrote:But, now that Trump has legitimized the practice of provisional appointments, the president can pick a provisional Vice-President.  If the Senate refuses to confirm, s/he remains provisional until the end of the term, but otherwise acts with the same authority.

Sure buddy. Is that how it works in the Pacific States of America? Rolling Eyes

Vintage, pay that fool no mind.

The 25th Amendment explains how a new VP is chosen, and I explained the 25th.

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:34 am

Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:But, now that Trump has legitimized the practice of provisional appointments, the president can pick a provisional Vice-President.  If the Senate refuses to confirm, s/he remains provisional until the end of the term, but otherwise acts with the same authority.

Sure buddy. Is that how it works in the Pacific States of America? Rolling Eyes

Vintage, pay that fool no mind.

The 25th Amendment explains how a new VP is chosen, and I explained the 25th.  

Mr. contracts expert. Rolling Eyes Section 2 of the 25th Amendment reads:

US Constitution wrote:Section 2
Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.

What happens if McConnell pulls a Merrick Garland and never calls the question in the Senate? You don't think too far ahead, do you? Small wonder your wife got her hat.

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Post by Maddog on Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:28 pm

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Maddog wrote:

Sure buddy. Is that how it works in the Pacific States of America? Rolling Eyes

Vintage, pay that fool no mind.

The 25th Amendment explains how a new VP is chosen, and I explained the 25th.  

Mr. contracts expert.   Rolling Eyes   Section 2 of the 25th Amendment reads:

US Constitution wrote:Section 2
Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.

What happens if McConnell pulls a Merrick Garland and never calls the question in the Senate?  You don't think too far ahead, do you?  Small wonder your wife got her hat.

I said both the House and the Senate have to approve.

If they dont, we operate without a VP.

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Post by Maddog on Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:29 pm




Maddog wrote:Harris would appoint a new VP and both the house and senate would have to approve

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Post by Maddog on Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:32 pm

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Maddog wrote:

Sure buddy. Is that how it works in the Pacific States of America? Rolling Eyes

Vintage, pay that fool no mind.

The 25th Amendment explains how a new VP is chosen, and I explained the 25th.  

Mr. contracts expert.   Rolling Eyes   Section 2 of the 25th Amendment reads:

US Constitution wrote:Section 2
Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.

What happens if McConnell pulls a Merrick Garland and never calls the question in the Senate?  You don't think too far ahead, do you?  Small wonder your wife got her hat.

Wonder what happened to your wife?


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Post by Original Quill on Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:54 pm

Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Mr. contracts expert.   Rolling Eyes   Section 2 of the 25th Amendment reads:



What happens if McConnell pulls a Merrick Garland and never calls the question in the Senate?  You don't think too far ahead, do you?  Small wonder your wife got her hat.

Wonder what happened to your wife?

She's dead. You haven't answered the question. What if McConnell pulls a Merrick Garland and never calls the question of a vice-president under the 25th Amendment?

Researching the law is one thing; using the law requires a whole lot more.

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Post by Maddog on Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:00 pm

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Maddog wrote:

Wonder what happened to your wife?

She's dead.  You haven't answered the question.  What if McConnell pulls a Merrick Garland and never calls the question of a vice-president under the 25th Amendment?

Researching the law is one thing; using the law requires a whole lot more.

Did you kill her? I know how you folks from California are.

If the VP choice isn't approved by both the House and the Senate, we operate without one.

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:17 pm

Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

She's dead.  You haven't answered the question.  What if McConnell pulls a Merrick Garland and never calls the question of a vice-president under the 25th Amendment?

Researching the law is one thing; using the law requires a whole lot more.

Did you kill her? I know how you folks from California are.  

If the VP choice isn't approved by both the House and the Senate, we operate without one.  

Why? If we employ Trump's modus operandi of making provisional appointments, we can have a vice-president.

McConnell and the Republicans have created this impasse, so the rest of us are left with seeking refuge from the tempest. Any port in a storm, eh?

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Post by Maddog on Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:22 pm

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Maddog wrote:

Did you kill her? I know how you folks from California are.  

If the VP choice isn't approved by both the House and the Senate, we operate without one.  

Why?  If we employ Trump's modus operandi of making provisional appointments, we can have a vice-president.

McConnell and the Republicans have created this impasse, so the rest of us are left with seeking refuge from the tempest.  Any port in a storm, eh?

Read the 25th.

It's clear.

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Post by Maddog on Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:44 am

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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/create_your_own_president_map.html

You can make your own map here if you feel so bold.


Anyway, it appears I got Florida and N Carolina wrong, that's it.

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:26 pm

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Original Quill wrote:

Why?  If we employ Trump's modus operandi of making provisional appointments, we can have a vice-president.

McConnell and the Republicans have created this impasse, so the rest of us are left with seeking refuge from the tempest.  Any port in a storm, eh?

Read the 25th.

It's clear.

Once again, you haven't got an answer, thus revealing your ignorance about the Constitution.  You don't want to discuss it, you just say "ugh, um...read 25th Amendment."  Like all simpletons, you want to see things as simple..."moon rises, world flat, woman have dinner on table...ugh.  

I like your suggestion that we read the 25th Amendment, though:

US Constitution, 25th Amendment wrote:Section 2: Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.

So, what happens if Congress refuses to confirm?

Should the Congress refuse to confirm anybody, we can borrow from Trump.  Trump has made an interesting move in the face of a reluctant Senate (yes, even his own party occasionally refused him).  That is, he made provisional appointments, ostensibly pending approval, and just let the person remain as 'acting' on a permanent basis.

Thus, he made the appointment permanent without congressional approval.  This precedent could be used to bypass Congress, or any house, when it wants to frustrate the appointment process.

Oh, and if it will make you feel more at-home, I'll add: Ugh...

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Post by Maddog on Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:45 pm

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Maddog wrote:

Read the 25th.

It's clear.

Once again, you haven't got an answer, thus revealing your ignorance about the Constitution.  You don't want to discuss it, you just say "ugh, um...read 25th Amendment."  Like all simpletons, you want to see things as simple..."moon rises, world flat, woman have dinner on table...ugh.  

I like your suggestion that we read the 25th Amendment, though:

US Constitution, 25th Amendment wrote:Section 2: Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.

So, what happens if Congress refuses to confirm?

Should the Congress refuse to confirm anybody, we can borrow from Trump.  Trump has made an interesting move in the face of a reluctant Senate (yes, even his own party occasionally refused him).  That is, he made provisional appointments, ostensibly pending approval, and just let the person remain as 'acting' on a permanent basis.

Thus, he made the appointment permanent without congressional approval.  This precedent could be used to bypass Congress, or any house, when it wants to frustrate the appointment process.

Oh, and if it will make you feel more at-home, I'll add: Ugh...

I told you several times.

We operate without a VP until one is appointed and confirmed.

The position isn't necessary. Same a missing one Supreme Court Justice.

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:07 pm

Maddog wrote:I told you several times.

We operate without a VP until one is appointed and confirmed.

The position isn't necessary. Same a missing one Supreme Court Justice.

By what authority do you say which position is “necessary” and which is not?  To say that a Supreme Court Justice or a Vice-President isn't necessary, doesn't delve into the essential role that the latter people play.

For example, an acting-Secretary of Defense runs the military.  But a Supreme Court Justice participates in interpreting the highest law of the land.  A Vice-President serves as the presiding officer of the Senate and must be prepared at all times to assume the presidency.  Aren't these people as important?

There really isn't a constitutional mandate for determining which role is crucial.  A credible argument can be made that a Justice or a Vice-President is more crucial than a mere cabinet secretary.

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Post by Maddog on Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:05 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Maddog wrote:I told you several times.

We operate without a VP until one is appointed and confirmed.

The position isn't necessary. Same a missing one Supreme Court Justice.

By what authority do you say which position is “necessary” and which is not?  To say that a Supreme Court Justice or a Vice-President isn't necessary, doesn't delve into the essential role that the latter people play.

For example, an acting-Secretary of Defense runs the military.  But a Supreme Court Justice participates in interpreting the highest law of the land.  A Vice-President serves as the presiding officer of the Senate and must be prepared at all times to assume the presidency.  Aren't these people as important?

There really isn't a constitutional mandate for determining which role is crucial.  A credible argument can be made that a Justice or a Vice-President is more crucial than a mere cabinet secretary.


Scalia's place sat vacant for a year. The VP will do the same should a replacement not get confirmed. As long as Harris doesn't pick a hard left replacement, her candidate will be approved. VP doesn't really matter much.

And don't forget, that McConnel and 96 other senators voted to approve RBG, so there is plenty of precedent for Reps supporting democratic nominees.

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Post by Eilzel on Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:43 pm

Eilzel wrote:Bit more conservative from me. I'm most concerned about Michigan and Pennsylvania which have interesting stats on early voting which aren't great for Biden. Then again, that Texas and Georgia are in play at all bodes badly for Trump.

That said, with more than 10 toss-ups and Trump needing to win them all, my brain says Biden should do it. But my heart is still very much wounded by 2016 lol

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:49 am

Maddog wrote:
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By what authority do you say which position is “necessary” and which is not? To say that a Supreme Court Justice or a Vice-President isn't necessary, doesn't delve into the essential role that the latter people play.

For example, an acting-Secretary of Defense runs the military. But a Supreme Court Justice participates in interpreting the highest law of the land. A Vice-President serves as the presiding officer of the Senate and must be prepared at all times to assume the presidency. Aren't these people as important?

There really isn't a constitutional mandate for determining which role is crucial. A credible argument can be made that a Justice or a Vice-President is more crucial than a mere cabinet secretary.


Scalia's place sat vacant for a year. The VP will do the same should a replacement not get confirmed. As long as Harris doesn't pick a hard left replacement, her candidate will be approved. VP doesn't really matter much.

And don't forget, that McConnel and 96 other senators voted to approve RBG, so there is plenty of precedent for Reps supporting democratic nominees.

Not anymore. I don't know what has gotten into Republicans, but it's a different ball game.

McConnell is using the Senate consent power, as a veto on both government programs and government appointments. Let me give you a hypothetical/example: during the 1930's Congress passed four Neutrality Acts, holding that the US should stay out of Europe's war with Hitler. Imagine if McConnell's spirit of obstinateness infected the post-Pearl Harbor Congress. We would be speaking Japanese and German today.

Some would say that could never happen, but it just happened with Covid-19. An enemy has invaded and inflicted some 245,000 deaths. McConnell chooses do nothing. He has effectively chosen neutrality in the war against a virus.

In any case, we can’t play children’s games with the security of our country. We’ve got to be vigilant and firm. We’ve got to negate the Senatorial veto, and that will be by making indefinite provisional appointments for all posts, including the Supreme Court and the Vice-President.

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Post by Maddog on Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:51 pm

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Eilzel wrote:Bit more conservative from me. I'm most concerned about Michigan and Pennsylvania which have interesting stats on early voting which aren't great for Biden. Then again, that Texas and Georgia are in play at all bodes badly for Trump.

That said, with more than 10 toss-ups and Trump needing to win them all, my brain says Biden should do it. But my heart is still very much wounded by 2016 lol

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I'll see you in 2024 Smile

You win the prize for prognosticating. Cool

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Maddog wrote:


Scalia's place sat vacant for a year. The VP will do the same should a replacement not get confirmed. As long as Harris doesn't pick a hard left replacement, her candidate will be approved. VP doesn't really matter much.

And don't forget, that McConnel and 96 other senators voted to approve RBG, so there is plenty of precedent for Reps supporting democratic nominees.    

Not anymore.  I don't know what has gotten into Republicans, but it's a different ball game.

McConnell is using the Senate consent power, as a veto on both government programs and government appointments.  Let me give you a hypothetical/example: during the 1930's Congress passed four Neutrality Acts, holding that the US should stay out of Europe's war with Hitler.  Imagine if McConnell's spirit of obstinateness infected the post-Pearl Harbor Congress.  We would be speaking Japanese and German today.

Some would say that could never happen, but it just happened with Covid-19.  An enemy has invaded and inflicted some 245,000 deaths.  McConnell chooses do nothing.  He has effectively chosen neutrality in the war against a virus.

In any case, we can’t play children’s games with the security of our country.  We’ve got to be vigilant and firm.  We’ve got to negate the Senatorial veto, and that will be by making indefinite provisional appointments for all posts, including the Supreme Court and the Vice-President.

Sure buddy. Right after you become Supreme leader of the Pacific States of America.

This wouldn't have been an issue if you were remotely close about the Dems picking up the Senate.

But once again, to the shock of no one, you were so far off it hurts.

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Maddog wrote:This wouldn't have been an issue if you were remotely close about the Dems picking up the Senate.

But once again, to the shock of no one, you were so far off it hurts.

It's not about me, or the position I was in, hoping for a flip in the Senate.

Rather, it's about what to do about the here-and-now.  If there is one thing that Trump taught us, it's fuck the mandate, you have the power to do whatever you want for the next four years!! Let that sink in.

Republicans have taken to using the 'consent' function as a veto to all government action, including appointments.  It is anti-constitutional, if not unconstitutional.  Do you have an answer, other than a childish, ... nah, nah, you lost!!

The McConnell-veto has paralyzed government action on all fronts.  Now, we are in the midst of a great crisis, and we are entirely unable to meet it.  The Senate-veto has rendered useless all concerted action to meet the crisis.  We are dying as the Republican Nero fiddles.

I have offered a solution: use provisional appointments, and executive orders to by-pass the Senate log-jam.  Make them permanent without confirmation…’confirmation’ is just a word, after all.

Other than the fact that I propose it, do you have any objection?

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Original Quill wrote:
Maddog wrote:This wouldn't have been an issue if you were remotely close about the Dems picking up the Senate.

But once again, to the shock of no one, you were so far off it hurts.

It's not about me, or the position I was in, hoping for a flip in the Senate.

Rather, it's about what to do about the here-and-now.  If there is one thing that Trump taught us, it's fuck the mandate, you have the power to do whatever you want for the next four years!!  Let that sink in.

Republicans have taken to using the 'consent' function as a veto to all government action, including appointments.  It is anti-constitutional, if not unconstitutional.  Do you have an answer, other than a childish, ... nah, nah, you lost!!

The McConnell-veto has paralyzed government action on all fronts.  Now, we are in the midst of a great crisis, and we are entirely unable to meet it.  The Senate-veto has rendered useless all concerted action to meet the crisis.  We are dying as the Republican Nero fiddles.

I have offered a solution: use provisional appointments, and executive orders to by-pass the Senate log-jam.  Make them permanent without confirmation…’confirmation’ is just a word, after all.

Other than the fact that I propose it, do you have any objection?

You werent hoping. You guaranteed it.

So your predictions are about you President Quill.

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