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great news from Boris no deal Brexit!!
well it took years longer than it should have done but great news in the end.
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A brain dead outcome by a loser PM who has nothing but a year of failures and lies behind him.
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Leave means leave!!!
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Les, you've always been, a "remainer" don't cry !
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nicko wrote:Les, you've always been, a "remainer" don't cry !
Indeed, I am a remainer
I mean brain dead?
We have no idea of what will happen in whether a no deal Brexit will benefit the Uk
My view is it will and fair play to Boris for not bowing down to the EU, who are essentially bullies here
Trade deals should be formed from a mutual position of trust, but how can trust form. When demands are placed on the Uk to bow down to EU demands that are undemocratic?
Sometimes I despair at the crap Eilzel comes out with, as he seems to think he is morally superior to most in his evaluation of situations. Its an arrogance that continually looks down on people for their views. Its snobbish and classist
If this turns out to be the wrong decision and it hurts the Uk, then fair enough, but nobody knows yet how this will pan out
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nicko wrote:Les, you've always been, a "remainer" don't cry !
I'm not crying, I'm over it. Nothing gonna change that now.
I can still call a braindead decision and braindead decision though - or do you oppose free speech?
It seems to be the Brexshitters who get more upset thesedays, at anyone who doesn't sycophantically stick their head up Johnson's fat arse
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Didgee wrote:nicko wrote:Les, you've always been, a "remainer" don't cry !
Indeed, I am a remainer
I mean brain dead?
We have no idea of what will happen in whether a no deal Brexit will benefit the Uk
My view is it will and fair play to Boris for not bowing down to the EU, who are essentially bullies here
Trade deals should be formed from a mutual position of trust, but how can trust form. When demands are placed on the Uk to bow down to EU demands that are undemocratic?
Sometimes I despair at the crap Eilzel comes out with, as he seems to think he is morally superior to most in his evaluation of situations. Its an arrogance that continually looks down on people for their views. Its snobbish and classist
If this turns out to be the wrong decision and it hurts the Uk, then fair enough, but nobody knows yet how this will pan out
This coming from you I'll take it with all the sincerity it deserves.
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Eilzel wrote:Didgee wrote:
Indeed, I am a remainer
I mean brain dead?
We have no idea of what will happen in whether a no deal Brexit will benefit the Uk
My view is it will and fair play to Boris for not bowing down to the EU, who are essentially bullies here
Trade deals should be formed from a mutual position of trust, but how can trust form. When demands are placed on the Uk to bow down to EU demands that are undemocratic?
Sometimes I despair at the crap Eilzel comes out with, as he seems to think he is morally superior to most in his evaluation of situations. Its an arrogance that continually looks down on people for their views. Its snobbish and classist
If this turns out to be the wrong decision and it hurts the Uk, then fair enough, but nobody knows yet how this will pan out
This coming from you I'll take it with all the sincerity it deserves.
Yes coming from me Eizel
The fact that you make this an aspect to mock a situation as if a decision is based on a person not having any mental faculties, is inherently abliest. But being as you think you are morally superior to others in your thinking with your elitist snobbish attitude, is where the problem stems from
Hence your first view here was morally bankrupt. Being as none of us know how this will pan out
I suggest you stop thinking you are morally superior to others in your thinking and wait and see how this pans out
Just a suggestion mind
The fact I have two uncles without any coherent ability to recognise even their own family is poor to watch, being they have Alzheimer's
You were not subtle here or even blunt. You made a view that a decision was based on being brain dead. Not on any comprehensive view as to why you disagree, but through a prism of ableism
Sincerity?
You have no comprehension what that words means by saying brain dead
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Didgee wrote:Eilzel wrote:Didgee wrote:
Indeed, I am a remainer
I mean brain dead?
We have no idea of what will happen in whether a no deal Brexit will benefit the Uk
My view is it will and fair play to Boris for not bowing down to the EU, who are essentially bullies here
Trade deals should be formed from a mutual position of trust, but how can trust form. When demands are placed on the Uk to bow down to EU demands that are undemocratic?
Sometimes I despair at the crap Eilzel comes out with, as he seems to think he is morally superior to most in his evaluation of situations. Its an arrogance that continually looks down on people for their views. Its snobbish and classist
If this turns out to be the wrong decision and it hurts the Uk, then fair enough, but nobody knows yet how this will pan out
This coming from you I'll take it with all the sincerity it deserves.
Yes coming from me Eizel
The fact that you make this an aspect to mock a situation as if a decision is based on a person not having any mental faculties, is inherently abliest. But being as you think you are morally superior to others in your thinking with your elitist snobbish attitude, is where the problem stems from
Hence your first view here was morally bankrupt. Being as none of us know how this will pan out
I suggest you stop thinking you are morally superior to others in your thinking and wait and see how this pans out
Just a suggestion mind
The fact I have two uncles without any coherent ability to recognise even their own family is poor to watch, being they have Alzheimer's
You were not subtle here or even blunt. You made a view that a decision was based on being brain dead. Not on any comprehensive view as to why you disagree, but through a prism of ableism
Sincerity?
You have no comprehension what that words means by saying brain dead
Considering how anti-PC you are, you are getting awfully worked up about the word 'braindead', a word which is (as you are fully aware) used to refer to stupid, idiotic etc. And here you are lecturing me about language while also telling me that I'm the one who is trying to be morally superior.
Go back to twitter.
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Eilzel wrote:nicko wrote:Les, you've always been, a "remainer" don't cry !
I'm not crying, I'm over it. Nothing gonna change that now.
I can still call a braindead decision and braindead decision though - or do you oppose free speech?
It seems to be the Brexshitters who get more upset thesedays, at anyone who doesn't sycophantically stick their head up Johnson's fat arse
I call out your poor choice of words
Why not say and argue why you think its a poor decision by following this up with how you think and what will happen by this decision?
Not hard is it Eizel
I am not even being politically correct here. I am suggesting that you knowingly use this term for the effect it has for you
That you think anyone that agrees with a no deal (which I do not) has to be comparable to someone with no mental faculties
Its a typical regressive reply, that never engages that the actual topic, but your view and disgust at people who may agree with this position. That you deem them comparable to people who are for all intents and purposes, mentally dead
You really come across as a stuck up snob at times
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Eilzel wrote:Didgee wrote:
Yes coming from me Eizel
The fact that you make this an aspect to mock a situation as if a decision is based on a person not having any mental faculties, is inherently abliest. But being as you think you are morally superior to others in your thinking with your elitist snobbish attitude, is where the problem stems from
Hence your first view here was morally bankrupt. Being as none of us know how this will pan out
I suggest you stop thinking you are morally superior to others in your thinking and wait and see how this pans out
Just a suggestion mind
The fact I have two uncles without any coherent ability to recognise even their own family is poor to watch, being they have Alzheimer's
You were not subtle here or even blunt. You made a view that a decision was based on being brain dead. Not on any comprehensive view as to why you disagree, but through a prism of ableism
Sincerity?
You have no comprehension what that words means by saying brain dead
Considering how anti-PC you are, you are getting awfully worked up about the word 'braindead', a word which is (as you are fully aware) used to refer to stupid, idiotic etc. And here you are lecturing me about language while also telling me that I'm the one who is trying to be morally superior.
Go back to twitter.
Not worked up at all mate, I am simple calling your out on your hypocrisy
Go back to twitter?
You that afraid of people challenging your views, precious?
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Didgee wrote:Eilzel wrote:Didgee wrote:
Yes coming from me Eizel
The fact that you make this an aspect to mock a situation as if a decision is based on a person not having any mental faculties, is inherently abliest. But being as you think you are morally superior to others in your thinking with your elitist snobbish attitude, is where the problem stems from
Hence your first view here was morally bankrupt. Being as none of us know how this will pan out
I suggest you stop thinking you are morally superior to others in your thinking and wait and see how this pans out
Just a suggestion mind
The fact I have two uncles without any coherent ability to recognise even their own family is poor to watch, being they have Alzheimer's
You were not subtle here or even blunt. You made a view that a decision was based on being brain dead. Not on any comprehensive view as to why you disagree, but through a prism of ableism
Sincerity?
You have no comprehension what that words means by saying brain dead
Considering how anti-PC you are, you are getting awfully worked up about the word 'braindead', a word which is (as you are fully aware) used to refer to stupid, idiotic etc. And here you are lecturing me about language while also telling me that I'm the one who is trying to be morally superior.
Go back to twitter.
Not worked up at all mate, I am simple calling your out on your hypocrisy
Go back to twitter?
You that afraid of people challenging your views, precious?
Exposing hypocrisy by being your usual self-righteous self, interesting
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Not worked up at all mate, I am simple calling your out on your hypocrisy
Go back to twitter?
You that afraid of people challenging your views, precious?
Exposing hypocrisy by being your usual self-righteous self, interesting
I am a self righteous prick and never shy away from admitting this
At least I am honest about my faults mate
Why are you unable to do the same?
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Didgee wrote:Eilzel wrote:Didgee wrote:
Not worked up at all mate, I am simple calling your out on your hypocrisy
Go back to twitter?
You that afraid of people challenging your views, precious?
Exposing hypocrisy by being your usual self-righteous self, interesting
I am a self righteous prick and never shy away from admitting this
At least I am honest about my faults mate
Why are you unable to do the same?
Happy to do so. I'm incredibly stubborn and sometimes use over harsh language
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Eilzel wrote:Didgee wrote:
I am a self righteous prick and never shy away from admitting this
At least I am honest about my faults mate
Why are you unable to do the same?
Happy to do so. I'm incredibly stubborn and sometimes use over harsh language
lol that deserves a green, but I differ to your poor arguments in this thread
What is brain dead about a nation being able to make their own choices?
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Didgee wrote:Eilzel wrote:Didgee wrote:
I am a self righteous prick and never shy away from admitting this
At least I am honest about my faults mate
Why are you unable to do the same?
Happy to do so. I'm incredibly stubborn and sometimes use over harsh language
lol that deserves a green, but I differ to your poor arguments in this thread
What is brain dead about a nation being able to make their own choices?
There's nothing braindead in that. What I said was braindead was the outcome. If we are getting into semantics, an 'outcome' cannot really be braindead. I said what I said, and think as I do, because most indicators suggest that Brexit will be bad for Britain.
A nation being able to make its own choices is something I support. I also support a nation being allowed to rethink a bad decision, but some people don't like to talk about that.
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lol that deserves a green, but I differ to your poor arguments in this thread
What is brain dead about a nation being able to make their own choices?
There's nothing braindead in that. What I said was braindead was the outcome. If we are getting into semantics, an 'outcome' cannot really be braindead. I said what I said, and think as I do, because most indicators suggest that Brexit will be bad for Britain.
A nation being able to make its own choices is something I support. I also support a nation being allowed to rethink a bad decision, but some people don't like to talk about that.
Are these the same indicators that predicted job loses before covid happened and were continually wrong?
All you are telling me Eizel, is you are only listening to pessimist's on this
I keep an open mind and will hold judgement on the outcome of this in the next decade
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Didgee wrote:Eilzel wrote:Didgee wrote:
lol that deserves a green, but I differ to your poor arguments in this thread
What is brain dead about a nation being able to make their own choices?
There's nothing braindead in that. What I said was braindead was the outcome. If we are getting into semantics, an 'outcome' cannot really be braindead. I said what I said, and think as I do, because most indicators suggest that Brexit will be bad for Britain.
A nation being able to make its own choices is something I support. I also support a nation being allowed to rethink a bad decision, but some people don't like to talk about that.
Are these the same indicators that predicted job loses before covid happened and were continually wrong?
All you are telling me Eizel, is you are only listening to pessimist's on this
I keep an open mind and will hold judgement on the outcome of this in the next decade
I am always open-minded, but everyone can make predictions based on evidence, and evidence to me points in a bad direction. As a Brit, I obviously hope I'm wrong!
But I read that due to the collapse in the pound since Brexit we have actually lost almost as much economically as we ever made in payments to the EU. On that area alone it is already a disastrous decision.
I don't want to debate the what-ifs though. We've been over this for 5 years. I believe what I believe, and you believe what you believe. When it turns out whichever way it does, either I'll be right but sad that the country takes goes into economic decline, or I'll be wrong but happy that the country prospers
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Eilzel wrote:Didgee wrote:
Are these the same indicators that predicted job loses before covid happened and were continually wrong?
All you are telling me Eizel, is you are only listening to pessimist's on this
I keep an open mind and will hold judgement on the outcome of this in the next decade
I am always open-minded, but everyone can make predictions based on evidence, and evidence to me points in a bad direction. As a Brit, I obviously hope I'm wrong!
But I read that due to the collapse in the pound since Brexit we have actually lost almost as much economically as we ever made in payments to the EU. On that area alone it is already a disastrous decision.
I don't want to debate the what-ifs though. We've been over this for 5 years. I believe what I believe, and you believe what you believe. When it turns out whichever way it does, either I'll be right but sad that the country takes goes into economic decline, or I'll be wrong but happy that the country prospers
What evidence mate?
So far all the prediction's of doom and gloom around Brexit have been continually wrong
The only thing you have here is the value of the pound which will I have no doubt become strong again when Brexit is complete. As its not then tied to the realities of the EU
From what I see of the corruption of the UN and the EU, even though I wish we remained within the EU. Until this is resolved and even the corruption in this country.
What we both want is this country to prosper and the world also
That is what should matter
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Didgee wrote:Eilzel wrote:Didgee wrote:
Are these the same indicators that predicted job loses before covid happened and were continually wrong?
All you are telling me Eizel, is you are only listening to pessimist's on this
I keep an open mind and will hold judgement on the outcome of this in the next decade
I am always open-minded, but everyone can make predictions based on evidence, and evidence to me points in a bad direction. As a Brit, I obviously hope I'm wrong!
But I read that due to the collapse in the pound since Brexit we have actually lost almost as much economically as we ever made in payments to the EU. On that area alone it is already a disastrous decision.
I don't want to debate the what-ifs though. We've been over this for 5 years. I believe what I believe, and you believe what you believe. When it turns out whichever way it does, either I'll be right but sad that the country takes goes into economic decline, or I'll be wrong but happy that the country prospers
What evidence mate?
So far all the prediction's of doom and gloom around Brexit have been continually wrong
The only thing you have here is the value of the pound which will I have no doubt become strong again when Brexit is complete. As its not then tied to the realities of the EU
From what I see of the corruption of the UN and the EU, even though I wish we remained within the EU. Until this is resolved and even the corruption in this country.
What we both want is this country to prosper and the world also
That is what should matter
Honestly, we've had these debates multiple times. I'm sceptical. Let's just hope things work out.
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Eilzel wrote:Didgee wrote:
What evidence mate?
So far all the prediction's of doom and gloom around Brexit have been continually wrong
The only thing you have here is the value of the pound which will I have no doubt become strong again when Brexit is complete. As its not then tied to the realities of the EU
From what I see of the corruption of the UN and the EU, even though I wish we remained within the EU. Until this is resolved and even the corruption in this country.
What we both want is this country to prosper and the world also
That is what should matter
Honestly, we've had these debates multiple times. I'm sceptical. Let's just hope things work out.
Fair enough mate and promise not to take the piss if you end up being wrong here
Again I think we are both on the same hymn sheet but singing out of key with each other
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Eilzel wrote:A brain dead outcome by a loser PM who has nothing but a year of failures and lies behind him.
or a PM acting upon the will of the people, depending on which side of the fence you sit.
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Didgee wrote:nicko wrote:Les, you've always been, a "remainer" don't cry !
Indeed, I am a remainer
I mean brain dead?
We have no idea of what will happen in whether a no deal Brexit will benefit the Uk
My view is it will and fair play to Boris for not bowing down to the EU, who are essentially bullies here
Trade deals should be formed from a mutual position of trust, but how can trust form. When demands are placed on the Uk to bow down to EU demands that are undemocratic?
Sometimes I despair at the crap Eilzel comes out with, as he seems to think he is morally superior to most in his evaluation of situations. Its an arrogance that continually looks down on people for their views. Its snobbish and classist
If this turns out to be the wrong decision and it hurts the Uk, then fair enough, but nobody knows yet how this will pan out
well said, the job for Boris is o make the best deal possible for the UK, not, make it easy on the EU at the cost of the UK.
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I have no horse in this race, but this is the longest breakup in the history of breakups.
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Maddog wrote:I have no horse in this race, but this is the longest breakup in the history of breakups.
Tell me about it, by EU rules it's two tears of negotiation then on to WTO rules apply but this BS HAS GONE ON WELL TO LONG BECAUSE EVERYONE WAS HOPING IT WOULD GO AWAY.
oldest political rule, wait so long that the decision makes itself.
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Maddog wrote:I have no horse in this race, but this is the longest breakup in the history of breakups.
Lol that really make me chuckle mate and its so true
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Maddog wrote:I have no horse in this race, but this is the longest breakup in the history of breakups.
We've had a suckass government both before and since the referendum tbf, so no surprise. In the same duration Blair and Thatcher ran the country we've had three incompetents in number 10...
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Eilzel wrote:Maddog wrote:I have no horse in this race, but this is the longest breakup in the history of breakups.
We've had a suckass government both before and since the referendum tbf, so no surprise. In the same duration Blair and Thatcher ran the country we've had three incompetents in number 10...
treasonous may was a disaster, that is for sure but all bliar did was increase immigration, increase our payments to the eu and create a war, so in Bruce forsyth terms, "didn't he do well".
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inmyopinion wrote:Eilzel wrote:Maddog wrote:I have no horse in this race, but this is the longest breakup in the history of breakups.
We've had a suckass government both before and since the referendum tbf, so no surprise. In the same duration Blair and Thatcher ran the country we've had three incompetents in number 10...
treasonous may was a disaster, that is for sure but all bliar did was increase immigration, increase our payments to the eu and create a war, so in Bruce forsyth terms, "didn't he do well".
This is from elsewhere, but some of Blair's record.
Introduced strong workers rights
Child poverty halved during his time in office
A million pensioners lifted out of poverty
Improvements were also made in financial support to pensioners, and by 2004, the poorest third of pensioners were £1,750 a year better off than under the system of the Tories.
He left the British economy in very good shape in 2007. UK National Debt was at only 38% of GDP and the economy was growing very strongly
Tony Blair Delivered 2,200 Sure Start Children’s Centres
Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since the 19th century
Successful military interventions in Kosovo and Sierra Leone that boosted Britain’s image as a nation that stands for equality and good morals
Introduced a UK National Minimum Wage
The National Minimum Wage increased by 45% in Blair’s time in office
Inpatient waiting lists down by over half a million since 1997
Good Friday Agreement which finally solved the unrest in Northern Ireland and finally bought peace to the island of Ireland
Helped 1.8 million more people get into work
2 million people lifted out of poverty from 1997–2007
UK Defence Budget increased by 43% from 1997–2007
Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard
Passed the Office of Communications Act 2002 which set up a new regulatory body known as the Office of Communications (Ofcom)
Banned fox hunting
From 2001-2005, public spending increased by an average of 4.8% in real terms
UK National Debt was just at 34.3% of GDP in 2001 at the end of his first term
From 2001–incomes for the bottom 10% of earners increased as a result of transfers through the social security system
During 1997–2005, the number of pensioners living in poverty fell by over 75% in absolute terms as a result of initiatives such as the introduction of Winter Fuel Payments
Introduced the Working Time Regulations of 1998, due to which British workers gained a statutory entitlement to paid holidays
The Enterprise Act 2002 included measures to safeguard consumers, while also reforming bankruptcy and establishing a stronger Office of Fair Trading
Employment at its highest level ever in 50 years
Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals.
Benefits for the most vulnerable and poor in society went up by 3.7% each year
Free TV licenses for over-75s
Free nursery places for every three and four-year-olds
Fathers got paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time
Funding for every pupil in England doubled
Cut overall crime by 32 per cent
Over 14,000 more police in England and Wales.
Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools
Over 36,000 more teachers in England
Introduced civil partnerships, ended Section 28 and equalised the age of consent for same-sex couples
Devolution
- please tell me what great things have been achieved since 2010???
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Opened the doors to mass immigration which has pushed up the cost of living and held down wages.
Killed 1,000,000 people in illegal wars and totally destabilised the middle East.
Soft on crime and soft on the causes of crime.
Turned a blind eye to the Pakistan Muslim gangs who were raping and abusing children across the country.
Allowed the number of Muslims here in UK to double.
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Opened the doors to mass immigration which has pushed up the cost of living and held down wages.
Killed 1,000,000 people in illegal wars and totally destabilised the middle East.
Soft on crime and soft on the causes of crime.
Turned a blind eye to the Pakistan Muslim gangs who were raping and abusing children across the country.
Allowed the number of Muslims here in UK to double.
Crime fell under Labour. I agree the war was a major mistake. You being most concerned about immigrants and Muslims is no surprise.
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Eilzel wrote:inmyopinion wrote:
treasonous may was a disaster, that is for sure but all bliar did was increase immigration, increase our payments to the eu and create a war, so in Bruce forsyth terms, "didn't he do well".
This is from elsewhere, but some of Blair's record.
Introduced strong workers rights
Child poverty halved during his time in office
A million pensioners lifted out of poverty
Improvements were also made in financial support to pensioners, and by 2004, the poorest third of pensioners were £1,750 a year better off than under the system of the Tories.
He left the British economy in very good shape in 2007. UK National Debt was at only 38% of GDP and the economy was growing very strongly
Tony Blair Delivered 2,200 Sure Start Children’s Centres
Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since the 19th century
Successful military interventions in Kosovo and Sierra Leone that boosted Britain’s image as a nation that stands for equality and good morals
Introduced a UK National Minimum Wage
The National Minimum Wage increased by 45% in Blair’s time in office
Inpatient waiting lists down by over half a million since 1997
Good Friday Agreement which finally solved the unrest in Northern Ireland and finally bought peace to the island of Ireland
Helped 1.8 million more people get into work
2 million people lifted out of poverty from 1997–2007
UK Defence Budget increased by 43% from 1997–2007
Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard
Passed the Office of Communications Act 2002 which set up a new regulatory body known as the Office of Communications (Ofcom)
Banned fox hunting
From 2001-2005, public spending increased by an average of 4.8% in real terms
UK National Debt was just at 34.3% of GDP in 2001 at the end of his first term
From 2001–incomes for the bottom 10% of earners increased as a result of transfers through the social security system
During 1997–2005, the number of pensioners living in poverty fell by over 75% in absolute terms as a result of initiatives such as the introduction of Winter Fuel Payments
Introduced the Working Time Regulations of 1998, due to which British workers gained a statutory entitlement to paid holidays
The Enterprise Act 2002 included measures to safeguard consumers, while also reforming bankruptcy and establishing a stronger Office of Fair Trading
Employment at its highest level ever in 50 years
Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals.
Benefits for the most vulnerable and poor in society went up by 3.7% each year
Free TV licenses for over-75s
Free nursery places for every three and four-year-olds
Fathers got paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time
Funding for every pupil in England doubled
Cut overall crime by 32 per cent
Over 14,000 more police in England and Wales.
Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools
Over 36,000 more teachers in England
Introduced civil partnerships, ended Section 28 and equalised the age of consent for same-sex couples
Devolution
- please tell me what great things have been achieved since 2010???
so immigration , huge bill to the eu and creating a war are cancelled out by your list, wow
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Opened the doors to mass immigration which has pushed up the cost of living and held down wages.
Killed 1,000,000 people in illegal wars and totally destabilised the middle East.
Soft on crime and soft on the causes of crime.
Turned a blind eye to the Pakistan Muslim gangs who were raping and abusing children across the country.
Allowed the number of Muslims here in UK to double.
Crime fell under Labour. I agree the war was a major mistake. You being most concerned about immigrants and Muslims is no surprise.
No crime didn't fall... Labour just fudged the figures and lied... Like they always do!!!
They denied that mass immigration was happening for years and also tried to silence any mention of it by branding everyone as racist for daring to question it!!!
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inmyopinion wrote:Eilzel wrote:inmyopinion wrote:
treasonous may was a disaster, that is for sure but all bliar did was increase immigration, increase our payments to the eu and create a war, so in Bruce forsyth terms, "didn't he do well".
This is from elsewhere, but some of Blair's record.
Introduced strong workers rights
Child poverty halved during his time in office
A million pensioners lifted out of poverty
Improvements were also made in financial support to pensioners, and by 2004, the poorest third of pensioners were £1,750 a year better off than under the system of the Tories.
He left the British economy in very good shape in 2007. UK National Debt was at only 38% of GDP and the economy was growing very strongly
Tony Blair Delivered 2,200 Sure Start Children’s Centres
Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since the 19th century
Successful military interventions in Kosovo and Sierra Leone that boosted Britain’s image as a nation that stands for equality and good morals
Introduced a UK National Minimum Wage
The National Minimum Wage increased by 45% in Blair’s time in office
Inpatient waiting lists down by over half a million since 1997
Good Friday Agreement which finally solved the unrest in Northern Ireland and finally bought peace to the island of Ireland
Helped 1.8 million more people get into work
2 million people lifted out of poverty from 1997–2007
UK Defence Budget increased by 43% from 1997–2007
Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard
Passed the Office of Communications Act 2002 which set up a new regulatory body known as the Office of Communications (Ofcom)
Banned fox hunting
From 2001-2005, public spending increased by an average of 4.8% in real terms
UK National Debt was just at 34.3% of GDP in 2001 at the end of his first term
From 2001–incomes for the bottom 10% of earners increased as a result of transfers through the social security system
During 1997–2005, the number of pensioners living in poverty fell by over 75% in absolute terms as a result of initiatives such as the introduction of Winter Fuel Payments
Introduced the Working Time Regulations of 1998, due to which British workers gained a statutory entitlement to paid holidays
The Enterprise Act 2002 included measures to safeguard consumers, while also reforming bankruptcy and establishing a stronger Office of Fair Trading
Employment at its highest level ever in 50 years
Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals.
Benefits for the most vulnerable and poor in society went up by 3.7% each year
Free TV licenses for over-75s
Free nursery places for every three and four-year-olds
Fathers got paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time
Funding for every pupil in England doubled
Cut overall crime by 32 per cent
Over 14,000 more police in England and Wales.
Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools
Over 36,000 more teachers in England
Introduced civil partnerships, ended Section 28 and equalised the age of consent for same-sex couples
Devolution
- please tell me what great things have been achieved since 2010???
so immigration , huge bill to the eu and creating a war are cancelled out by your list, wow
The bill to the EU is ireelevant since trade more than made up for it and Labour were the only party im decades to run a budget surplus.
I already said the war was wrong. I'd take an increase in immigration if it meant getting all those good things too!
Besides, you said Labour failed, my list proves they did more than the Tories ever achieved.
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so immigration , huge bill to the eu and creating a war are cancelled out by your list, wow
The bill to the EU is ireelevant since trade more than made up for it and Labour were the only party im decades to run a budget surplus.
I already said the war was wrong. I'd take an increase in immigration if it meant getting all those good things too!
Besides, you said Labour failed, my list proves they did more than the Tories ever achieved.
you do not it actually cost us to be in the eu, in actual pounds, not to mention laws, immigration, fishing rights, so it was never a good deal, we never even voted to join the ue, we finally voted nad the majority said leave, so leave we should, we should have left years ago but due to various treasonous politicians it has taken this long.
labour always fails more so in the last 20 years than ever. blair's history includes soliciting young men in public toilets, I wonder why that isn't on his CV.
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Back in 1973 we were entered into something called the EEC, and then there was a referendum (that was heavily publicised in favour of staying in it) and the vote result was to stay in it... That was then about the EEC as it was then.
Since then the goalposts have constantly changed, with ever increasing powers and controls over our country being given away from us to them, and the whole thing changed from being a simple set of trading arrangements to being the EU which has effectively now morphed into the USSR of Europe, acting as a overarching govt of all national governments and dictating laws,rules and regulations throughout this new superstate control system...
We never agreed to any of this, and if we had ever been given a referendum on this before this became our reality, then we would have voted against it at every turn already!!!
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Back in 1973 we were entered into something called the EEC, and then there was a referendum (that was heavily publicised in favour of staying in it) and the vote result was to stay in it... That was then about the EEC as it was then.
Since then the goalposts have constantly changed, with ever increasing powers and controls over our country being given away from us to them, and the whole thing changed from being a simple set of trading arrangements to being the EU which has effectively now morphed into the USSR of Europe, acting as a overarching govt of all national governments and dictating laws,rules and regulations throughout this new superstate control system...
We never agreed to any of this, and if we had ever been given a referendum on this before this became our reality, then we would have voted against it at every turn already!!!
Well said.
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