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Post by Didgee on Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:01 am

A common criticism of the ultra-progressive Left is that its culture warriors now resemble the right-wing ideological enforcers of yore, excommunicating those deemed to have sinned or performed heresies. Indeed, anyone older than 30 or so should have at least a dim memory of the social conservatives who wanted every aspect of American society—from universities, to the media, right down to the content of children’s television shows—hewing to the same family-values prayer book, and who led campaigns to censor violent video games, rap music, and edgy Hollywood entertainment.

In 1996, Republican presidential candidate Bob Dole called out Time Warner for publishing hip hop music whose lyrics glamorized violence against police officers. (“I would like to ask the executives of Time Warner a question: Is this what you intended to accomplish with your careers? You have sold your souls, but must you debase our nation and threaten our children as well?”) A quarter-century later, it’s progressives demanding the cancelation of movies and TV shows that present the police in any kind of positive light (and numerous other “problematic” themes). Alyssa Rosenberg of the Washington Post, a former colleague of mine, wants us to “shut down all police movies and TV shows. Now,” or at least radically rewrite the scripts to portray police in a more negative light. Networks obliged by canceling shows such as Live PD. After 32 years on the air, the show Cops was axed by Paramount Networks in the wake of the protests that followed the May 25th killing of George Floyd.


https://quillette.com/2020/08/03/the-woke-left-v-the-alt-right-a-new-study-shows-theyre-more-alike-than-either-side-realizes/

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Post by Maddog on Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:34 pm

Its horseshoe theory. The two extremes are not as far apart as they would like to think.

It's why I focus more on the statist vs liberty paradigm, not right vs left.

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Aug 07, 2020 4:55 pm

Maddog wrote:It's why I focus more on the statist vs liberty paradigm, not right vs left.

Unfettered freedom is extreme rightist, as was proven during the trust-busting era of the late 1800's. The very fears that are leveled at government--too large, too expensive, too expansive--are leveled at corporations and businesses as they grow in such an unfettered environment.

The problem with free-market economics is that it tends toward monopoly. This, in turn, has to do with the perception of competition. Classical economic theorists thought of competition as linear: parallel achievement, the one finishing sooner, or further than all the rest, being the winner. But all left intact. In reality, what we saw during the late-1800's was more like anarchy, head-to-head competition, with price wars, hostile takeovers, and other market dominion practices, all leading to elimination of competitors and eventual monopoly.

We all know what monopoly means. It means the central figure (or winner) has totalitarian power. It’s simple elimination logic…the last one standing is the winner. Thus, freedom = monopoly.

Libertarianism is simply free-market economics applied to political power. Note the parallels. Libertarians, like free-markets, seek to maximize (political) freedom and autonomy, emphasizing individualism, freedom of choice and voluntary association. In such an environment, participants engage in head-to-head competition, and ultimately destroy one another, until the entire field is reduced to single players. In a political sense, that means totalitarianism, as we saw eventually with Weimar Germany. Freedom = monopoly. At best, it means oligarchy, with principals being heads of spheres of the economy. Russia is a prime example today.

But, freedom from government is essentially lawlessness, laws being the means of political power. It’s no more than elimination competition applied to political power, and elimination logic comes around again. Freedom = monopoly.

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Post by Victorismyhero on Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:25 pm

the reason they are both so similar is that both want total control over everything, how you think, what you think how you express your thoughts, what you do, when you do it,

Both at their extreme are "little grey men in little grey boxes merchants, the only difference is perhaps the means

one would do it at the point of a machine gun, the other would do it via your finances and social annihilation and prison.

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Post by Maddog on Sun Aug 09, 2020 3:36 pm

Victorismyhero wrote:the reason they are both so similar is that both want total control over everything, how you think, what you think how you express your thoughts, what you do, when you do it,

Both at their extreme are "little grey men in little grey boxes merchants, the only difference is perhaps the means

one would do it at the point of a machine gun, the other would do it via your finances and social annihilation and prison.

It's why I use the word statism. Both want to use the power of the state to force compliance in terms of beliefs and behaviors.

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Post by Original Quill on Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:20 pm

Maddog wrote:
Victorismyhero wrote:the reason they are both so similar is that both want total control over everything, how you think, what you think how you express your thoughts, what you do, when you do it,

Both at their extreme are "little grey men in little grey boxes merchants, the only difference is perhaps the means

one would do it at the point of a machine gun, the other would do it via your finances and social annihilation and prison.

It's why I use the word statism. Both want to use the power of the state to force compliance in terms of beliefs and behaviors.  

And Libertarians want to use private power, unfettered by government, to build an autocracy that favors themselves.

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Post by Eilzel on Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:57 am

I generally dislike the Alt-Right more, as their end goals are outright nasty. But I can't stand the uber-woke morons either.

My main dislike of them, aside from twisting language and cancel culture, is actually that they bury REAL Leftist goals:

-free healthcare
-free education
-socialised public services
-living wages
-environmental issues

All of the above gets buried under the torrent of 'non-binary' 'BLM' 'TERF' BS of 'wokescolds'. In America it seems the Democrats use these nonsense issues to promote themselves while blatantly ignoring the real Left issues (mentioned above, and only really talked about by Sanders). And the Republicans/Conservatives can use the woke BS to fire easy shots at the opposition and score points - while ignoring the fact that ACTUAL Left political and economic issues are rather popular.

Fucking mess that is the political divide in western politics.

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Post by Original Quill on Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:07 am

Eilzel wrote:I generally dislike the Alt-Right more, as their end goals are outright nasty. But I can't stand the uber-woke morons either.

My main dislike of them, aside from twisting language and cancel culture, is actually that they bury REAL Leftist goals:

-free healthcare
-free education
-socialised public services
-living wages
-environmental issues

All of the above gets buried under the torrent of 'non-binary' 'BLM' 'TERF' BS of 'wokescolds'. In America it seems the Democrats use these nonsense issues to promote themselves while blatantly ignoring the real Left issues (mentioned above, and only really talked about by Sanders). And the Republicans/Conservatives can use the woke BS to fire easy shots at the opposition and score points - while ignoring the fact that ACTUAL Left political and economic issues are rather popular.

Fucking mess that is the political divide in western politics.

Are you suggesting that racism isn't a problem in America? Would that you could explain to George Floyd why he is no longer alive, Les.

They gotta stop killing people. Then talk healthcare and free education.

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Post by Eilzel on Sun Aug 16, 2020 5:07 am

Original Quill wrote:
Eilzel wrote:I generally dislike the Alt-Right more, as their end goals are outright nasty. But I can't stand the uber-woke morons either.

My main dislike of them, aside from twisting language and cancel culture, is actually that they bury REAL Leftist goals:

-free healthcare
-free education
-socialised public services
-living wages
-environmental issues

All of the above gets buried under the torrent of 'non-binary' 'BLM' 'TERF' BS of 'wokescolds'. In America it seems the Democrats use these nonsense issues to promote themselves while blatantly ignoring the real Left issues (mentioned above, and only really talked about by Sanders). And the Republicans/Conservatives can use the woke BS to fire easy shots at the opposition and score points - while ignoring the fact that ACTUAL Left political and economic issues are rather popular.

Fucking mess that is the political divide in western politics.

Are you suggesting that racism isn't a problem in America?  Would that you could explain to George Floyd why he is no longer alive, Les.

They gotta stop killing people.  Then talk healthcare and free education.

I never claimed it wasn't a problem, and the core message of BLM I agree with (end racism, in all its forms). But I don't agree within some of the more extremist views within BLM groups.

Police brutality is a problem that needs to be dealt with, HOWEVER, putting it at the forefront and actively ignored (or even opposing) other Leftist policy is destroying real LW politics in the west (more so the US than UK tbh). The Democrats are ultra corporate, really more RW than the Tories in the UK on economic issues. Which is tragic to watch from afar.

You could unite the country behind free education, living wages and arguably medicare for all. Instead the greedy democrats offer nothing but posturing on divisive social issues.

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Post by JulesV on Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:53 pm

@ OP,
Well if the two groups are just as bad as each other (as the thread title suggests) then I look forward to seeing you make threads criticising BOTH sides equally.

Rather than making hundreds & hundreds of threads about 'lefties'   and virtually no threads about 'righties'.

You usually lose your temper and get very rude whenever I suggest this. I don't care. You shouldn't be so hopelessly biased in the first place. Make a genuine effort to show some balance.

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Post by Maddog on Sun Aug 16, 2020 1:03 pm

JulesV wrote:@ OP,
Well if the two groups are just as bad as each other (as the thread title suggests) then I look forward to seeing you make threads criticising BOTH sides equally.

Rather than making hundreds & hundreds of threads about 'lefties'   and virtually no threads about 'righties'.

You usually lose your temper and get very rude whenever I suggest this. I don't care. You shouldn't be so hopelessly biased in the first place. Make a genuine effort to show some balance.

There are more than two sides.

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Post by JulesV on Sun Aug 16, 2020 1:10 pm

Wolfie vanished, Andy vanished - the last remaining active LW poster left is Quill.
How did things get this bad that there is such a strong political imbalance on here? The Woke Left v. the Alt-Right: A New Study Shows They’re More Alike Than Either Side Realizes Libra-1


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Post by Maddog on Sun Aug 16, 2020 1:16 pm

JulesV wrote:Wolfie vanished, Andy vanished - the last remaining active LW poster left is Quill.
How did things get this bad that is such a strong political imbalance on here? The Woke Left v. the Alt-Right: A New Study Shows They’re More Alike Than Either Side Realizes Libra-1


I'll just leave that one hanging in the air ..... Arrow

Andy didnt vanish. Eilzel is still here. Ben is still here. There are about 3 meme threads that are nothing but left leaning memes. Eddie damn sure ain't right wing.

Quill has sorta taken over the forum no doubt. Perhaps that's the reason for the low post count from everyone else on here.

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Post by Original Quill on Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:47 pm

Eilzel wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Are you suggesting that racism isn't a problem in America? Would that you could explain to George Floyd why he is no longer alive, Les.

They gotta stop killing people. Then talk healthcare and free education.

I never claimed it wasn't a problem, and the core message of BLM I agree with (end racism, in all its forms). But I don't agree within some of the more extremist views within BLM groups.

Police brutality is a problem that needs to be dealt with, HOWEVER, putting it at the forefront and actively ignored (or even opposing) other Leftist policy is destroying real LW politics in the west (more so the US than UK tbh). The Democrats are ultra corporate, really more RW than the Tories in the UK on economic issues. Which is tragic to watch from afar.

You could unite the country behind free education, living wages and arguably medicare for all. Instead the greedy democrats offer nothing but posturing on divisive social issues.

I think nothing happens in the US until blacks are made full citizens. Take healthcare, for example. Along comes the corona virus, and suddenly people of color are topping the list of victims, in numbers, hospitalization and deaths. So, already the issue of health—as expressed in the greatest pandemic in 100-years—takes back seat to the racism of the US.

It's the same with jobs, education, housing...and it's epidemic with policing and the chances for community harmony. Racism is the apex problem with America. Until it is addressed, the US stands only a few steps away from a second civil war.

I disagree with your assessment of political parties in the US, but one point at a time.

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Post by Original Quill on Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:13 pm

Maddog wrote:Quill has sorta taken over the forum no doubt. Perhaps that's the reason for the low post count from everyone else on here.

The fact is, what chases away RW'ers is the simple veracity of the LW position.  Politics is supposed to be about bringing power under the service of the people.  The RW, schooled by 17th-century economic theorists, have turned into a party of self-serving, special interests.  The great flaw in this is, you can’t have an ideology of selfishness and democratic system.

Why?  Because selfishness is the wrong platform on which to convince voters to give away their vote.  Imagine a platform of: Give me your vote, and I make myself rich!  Not a very entreating position, wouldn’t you say?

So, RW’ers go about lying to deliver their message: It’s a tax cut for all, but it only passes through corporations!  Yes, the RW actually peddles this bullshit, and even more.

Given this situation, it’s sooo easy to cancel RW arguments.  RW posters get tired of being beaten so often, and they drift away to easier hunting grounds.

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Post by Maddog on Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:49 pm

You keep buying into that sport. I thought we were operating under the premise that the the lefties had left and the righties had taken over?

Guess you're not doing a very good job with your constant spewing of nonsense.

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Post by Original Quill on Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:58 pm

Maddog wrote:You keep  buying into that sport.  I thought we were operating under the premise that the the lefties had left and the righties had taken over?

Guess you're not doing a very good job with your constant spewing of nonsense.  

Now we seem to have both sides lamenting loss of their speakers. We haven't seen nicko for a while, and Tommy seems to visit us only rarely.

I think there are two things going on. The mod group has pushed away the LW (at least that's what they say on other sites), and their own bad arguments have chased away the RW'ers.

I don't pretend to speak for either group. My opinions are just hypotheses.

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Post by Maddog on Sun Aug 16, 2020 5:05 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Maddog wrote:You keep  buying into that sport.  I thought we were operating under the premise that the the lefties had left and the righties had taken over?

Guess you're not doing a very good job with your constant spewing of nonsense.  

Now we seem to have both sides lamenting loss of their speakers.  We haven't seen nicko for a while, and Tommy seems to visit us only rarely.

I think there are two things going on.  The mod group has pushed away the LW (at least that's what they say on other sites), and their own bad arguments have chased away the RW'ers.

I don't pretend to speak for either group.  My opinions are just hypotheses.

People get tired of folks that drone on. I'm sure your very aware of that.

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Post by Original Quill on Sun Aug 16, 2020 5:15 pm

Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Now we seem to have both sides lamenting loss of their speakers.  We haven't seen nicko for a while, and Tommy seems to visit us only rarely.

I think there are two things going on.  The mod group has pushed away the LW (at least that's what they say on other sites), and their own bad arguments have chased away the RW'ers.

I don't pretend to speak for either group.  My opinions are just hypotheses.

People get tired of folks that drone on. I'm sure your very aware of that.  

Then stop posting. You obviously have nothing to say. Put two and two together. Rolling Eyes

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Post by eddie on Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:48 am

I’ve read through the whole thread and Les’ posts Misti mostly mirror my own.
I’ll have to check in tonight when I leave tomorrow when I leave work.
Interesting thread.

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Post by Maddog on Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:12 pm

Eilzel wrote:I generally dislike the Alt-Right more, as their end goals are outright nasty. But I can't stand the uber-woke morons either.

My main dislike of them, aside from twisting language and cancel culture, is actually that they bury REAL Leftist goals:

-free healthcare
-free education
-socialised public services
-living wages
-environmental issues

All of the above gets buried under the torrent of 'non-binary' 'BLM' 'TERF' BS of 'wokescolds'. In America it seems the Democrats use these nonsense issues to promote themselves while blatantly ignoring the real Left issues (mentioned above, and only really talked about by Sanders). And the Republicans/Conservatives can use the woke BS to fire easy shots at the opposition and score points - while ignoring the fact that ACTUAL Left political and economic issues are rather popular.

Fucking mess that is the political divide in western politics.

While I dont support what you call leftist goals, but you are correct. The identity politics makes the Dems look like fools quite often and makes their positions easy to attack.  

The whole mess looks like Jr High kids fighting about something silly.

It's a game of cat and mouse where the right tries to mock the left for some stunning and brave position. While the left tries to use those comments and attach some sort of "ist" to the comment or speaker of the comment.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:32 pm

Les, that's full of shit.

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Post by Eilzel on Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:45 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:Les, that's full of shit.

Really? Which part?

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Post by Maddog on Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:00 am

Eilzel wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:Les, that's full of shit.

Really? Which part?

The part where you told the truth.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Aug 20, 2020 7:07 am

Eilzel wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:Les, that's full of shit.

Really? Which part?

All of the above gets buried under the torrent of 'non-binary' 'BLM' 'TERF' BS of 'wokescolds'. In America it seems the Democrats use these nonsense issues to promote themselves while blatantly ignoring the real Left issues (mentioned above, and only really talked about by Sanders).

Sorry, but 'woke' issues are far from the top priority of the vast majority of Democrats, whether we're talking about voters or candidates.

Your statement above plays right into the hands of right-wing truth-twisters. Don't accept their false narrative.

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Post by Eilzel on Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:12 am

Ben Reilly wrote:
Eilzel wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:Les, that's full of shit.

Really? Which part?

All of the above gets buried under the torrent of 'non-binary' 'BLM' 'TERF' BS of 'wokescolds'. In America it seems the Democrats use these nonsense issues to promote themselves while blatantly ignoring the real Left issues (mentioned above, and only really talked about by Sanders).

Sorry, but 'woke' issues are far from the top priority of the vast majority of Democrats, whether we're talking about voters or candidates.

Your statement above plays right into the hands of right-wing truth-twisters. Don't accept their false narrative.

I agree on voters, but Medicare for All was unsupported by all but Sanders and Warren in the debates. No chance of a living wage either. The MSM places a major focus on social justice issues, simultaneously running down Sanders during the debates. The focus from the Democrats and their media allies on anything but Leftist issues is why there is no real Left with power in the US. His choice of Harris as VP is clearly a political play to progressive SJWs, offering a black woman who, like fellow candidate Buttigieg, may represent a minority group but is ultimately as much of a corporate centrist as can be found.

The current Democrats don't care for real leftist policies. The only reasons they should win is they are less awful thsn Trump and the GOP AND there is a progressive wing of the Dems (marginalised but it's there) who can continue fighting.

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Post by Maddog on Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:00 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
Eilzel wrote:

Really? Which part?

All of the above gets buried under the torrent of 'non-binary' 'BLM' 'TERF' BS of 'wokescolds'. In America it seems the Democrats use these nonsense issues to promote themselves while blatantly ignoring the real Left issues (mentioned above, and only really talked about by Sanders).

Sorry, but 'woke' issues are far from the top priority of the vast majority of Democrats, whether we're talking about voters or candidates.

Your statement above plays right into the hands of right-wing truth-twisters. Don't accept their false narrative.

They make a great deal of the noise, which as you correctly state, plays right into the hands of the right.

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Post by JulesV on Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:12 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
Eilzel wrote:

Really? Which part?
All of the above gets buried under the torrent of 'non-binary' 'BLM' 'TERF' BS of 'wokescolds'. In America it seems the Democrats use these nonsense issues to promote themselves while blatantly ignoring the real Left issues (mentioned above, and only really talked about by Sanders).
Sorry, but 'woke' issues are far from the top priority of the vast majority of Democrats, whether we're talking about voters or candidates.


Your statement above plays right into the hands of right-wing truth-twisters. Don't accept their false narrative.
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That very same propaganda machine is in full swing once again, 4 years on .... and the worst thing anyone can do is to get sucked in and start sounding like that machine, however well intentioned.

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Post by JulesV on Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:33 pm

Eilzel wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:



Sorry, but 'woke' issues are far from the top priority of the vast majority of Democrats, whether we're talking about voters or candidates.

Your statement above plays right into the hands of right-wing truth-twisters. Don't accept their false narrative.

I agree on voters, but Medicare for All was unsupported by all but Sanders and Warren in the debates. No chance of a living wage either. The MSM places a major focus on social justice issues, simultaneously running down Sanders during the debates. The focus from the Democrats and their media allies on anything but Leftist issues is why there is no real Left with power in the US. His choice of Harris as VP is clearly a political play to progressive SJWs, offering a black woman who, like fellow candidate Buttigieg, may represent a minority group but is ultimately as much of a corporate centrist as can be found.


The current Democrats don't care for real leftist policies. The only reasons they should win is they are less awful thsn Trump and the GOP AND there is a progressive wing of the Dems (marginalised but it's there) who can continue fighting.
Hell, that's a damn good reason.  The Woke Left v. the Alt-Right: A New Study Shows They’re More Alike Than Either Side Realizes 2190311264
After all it was the very reason given the last time. "Vote for the least worst choice"
And it's often the scenario in elections everywhere ie ''both choices are flawed so just chose the lesser of two evils'

So .... hell  - once again, whoever is the ''least awful'' should get the vote - that was the mantra in 2016.

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Post by JulesV on Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:44 pm

Maddog wrote:
JulesV wrote:Wolfie vanished, Andy vanished - the last remaining active LW poster left is Quill.
How did things get this bad that is such a strong political imbalance on here? The Woke Left v. the Alt-Right: A New Study Shows They’re More Alike Than Either Side Realizes Libra-1


I'll just leave that one hanging in the air ..... Arrow

Andy didnt vanish. Eilzel is still here. Ben is still here. There are about 3 meme threads that are nothing but left leaning memes. Eddie damn sure ain't right wing.

Quill has sorta taken over the forum no doubt. Perhaps that's the reason for the low post count from everyone else on here.  

Sorry,
I disagree with everything in this post, Maddog.
Let's discuss this in a calm and logical way.
And I hope my opinions do not cause offence.


1.
Andy DID vanish, along with Wolfie.
I predicted it, I could see it coming and I mentioned on here that it might happen.
Cos people have been shouted down ever since the political protests since July, no one seemed to have the PATIENCE to listen to a different viewpoint.


2.
The three meme threads are quite separate from the general discussions here. They are clearly labelled and no one needs to click on them unless they want to. I like the meme threads so I read them ..... but if someone dislikes them, they are very easy to avoid.


3.
It's unfair  to say Quill has 'sorta taken over' - he enjoys posting so he posts a lot - that is something any site should be thankful for. Didge posts just as much as Quill - but you don't grumble about Didge because  you solidly support most of what he says-it's purely psychological.

4.
Finally remember that there's no big political event due to happen in Britain - the GE and Brexit came and went already. So we Brits don't have that much to say politically these days. But there is a big, election due in the US in November so as a US citizen Quill has a lot to post about, hence why he has been so vocal.

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Post by Didgee on Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:07 pm

JulesV wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Andy didnt vanish. Eilzel is still here. Ben is still here. There are about 3 meme threads that are nothing but left leaning memes. Eddie damn sure ain't right wing.

Quill has sorta taken over the forum no doubt. Perhaps that's the reason for the low post count from everyone else on here.  


1.
Andy DID vanish, along with Wolfie.
I predicted it, I could see it coming and I mentioned on here that it might happen.
Cos people have been shouted down ever since the political protests since July, no one seemed to have the PATIENCE to listen to a different viewpoint.


3.
It's unfair  to say Quill has 'sorta taken over' - he enjoys posting so he posts a lot - that is something any site should be thankful for. Didge posts just as much as Quill - but you don't grumble about Didge because  you solidly support most of what he says-it's purely psychological.

1) Nobody is shouted down, that is complete and utter nonsense. Do you think people can wield that muh cpower with the written word over posters Jules? 

That is simple ridiculous

3) False:

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Post by JulesV on Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:33 pm

Are you serious?

Didge you change your username often, on here.

If you compare statistics properly  and take into account all your previous posts in other names -including 'guest' - your post count % would probably change tenfold and you know it!! The Woke Left v. the Alt-Right: A New Study Shows They’re More Alike Than Either Side Realizes 3489511464  


I wasn't saying it as a criticism anyway.
It's good to post a lot! (minus the OTT bias obviously)

See you's around.
Stay safe.

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Post by Didgee on Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:37 pm

Yes very serious Jules, because the last couple of months I have hardly been on here

Hence things change.

Hence you were woefully incorrect

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Post by Syl on Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:44 pm

The more people post the better...does it matter if someone posts a lot??
I think we all have times when we feel more like reading than posting anyway, if there is nowt to read it makes for a pretty boring forum.

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Post by Eilzel on Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:56 pm

JulesV wrote:
Eilzel wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:



Sorry, but 'woke' issues are far from the top priority of the vast majority of Democrats, whether we're talking about voters or candidates.

Your statement above plays right into the hands of right-wing truth-twisters. Don't accept their false narrative.

I agree on voters, but Medicare for All was unsupported by all but Sanders and Warren in the debates. No chance of a living wage either. The MSM places a major focus on social justice issues, simultaneously running down Sanders during the debates. The focus from the Democrats and their media allies on anything but Leftist issues is why there is no real Left with power in the US. His choice of Harris as VP is clearly a political play to progressive SJWs, offering a black woman who, like fellow candidate Buttigieg, may represent a minority group but is ultimately as much of a corporate centrist as can be found.


The current Democrats don't care for real leftist policies. The only reasons they should win is they are less awful thsn Trump and the GOP AND there is a progressive wing of the Dems (marginalised but it's there) who can continue fighting.
Hell, that's a damn good reason.  The Woke Left v. the Alt-Right: A New Study Shows They’re More Alike Than Either Side Realizes 2190311264
After all it was the very reason given the last time. "Vote for the least worst choice"
And it's often the scenario in elections everywhere ie ''both choices are flawed so just chose the lesser of two evils'

So .... hell  - once again, whoever is the ''least awful'' should get the vote - that was the mantra in 2016.

Don't get me wrong. Were I a Yank I'd vote Democrat in a heartbeat just to get Trump out. And because, as I said, AOC and others like her provide at least a progressive wing within the Democrats.

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:08 pm

Didgee wrote:Yes very serious Jules, because the last couple of months I have hardly been on here

Hence things change.

Hence you were woefully incorrect

But didge, this isn't about the last couple of months.  As Jules says, you change your personna on here as frequently as your socks.  Overall, you've been on NewsFix since before I have, and sometimes you actually tried to make like you were a different poster.  But, you were always eventually recognized.

Now, I don't mind if you change so often.  And I'm glad that you inevitably return.  But, if you want to talk about statistics you would have to group all of your appearances as one, and that would amount to much greater numbers than your latest role or character on here.

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Post by Maddog on Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:15 pm

JulesV wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Andy didnt vanish. Eilzel is still here. Ben is still here. There are about 3 meme threads that are nothing but left leaning memes. Eddie damn sure ain't right wing.

Quill has sorta taken over the forum no doubt. Perhaps that's the reason for the low post count from everyone else on here.  

Sorry,
I disagree with everything in this post, Maddog.
Let's discuss this in a calm and logical way.
And I hope my opinions do not cause offence.


1.
Andy DID vanish, along with Wolfie.
I predicted it, I could see it coming and I mentioned on here that it might happen.
Cos people have been shouted down ever since the political protests since July, no one seemed to have the PATIENCE to listen to a different viewpoint.


2.
The three meme threads are quite separate from the general discussions here. They are clearly labelled and no one needs to click on them unless they want to. I like the meme threads so I read them ..... but if someone dislikes them, they are very easy to avoid.


3.
It's unfair  to say Quill has 'sorta taken over' - he enjoys posting so he posts a lot - that is something any site should be thankful for. Didge posts just as much as Quill - but you don't grumble about Didge because  you solidly support most of what he says-it's purely psychological.

4.
Finally remember that there's no big political event due to happen in Britain - the GE and Brexit came and went already. So we Brits don't have that much to say politically these days. But there is a big, election due in the US in November so as a US citizen Quill has a lot to post about, hence why he has been so vocal.

Andy came back as Brutas.

Quill has by far the most lost on here as of late.

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Post by eddie on Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:35 pm

What is “lost”? It’s a debate. How are there winners and losers? Do tell.

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eddie wrote:What is “lost”? It’s a debate. How are there winners and losers? Do tell.

Lost should have been posts. I use a tablet a lot and it autocorrects things incorrectly.

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Post by Syl on Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:06 am

Maddog wrote:
eddie wrote:What is “lost”? It’s a debate. How are there winners and losers? Do tell.

Lost should have been posts.  I use a tablet a lot and it autocorrects things incorrectly.  

Laughing

It sounded like you had turned into Quills psychiatrist for a minute there.

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Post by Maddog on Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:32 pm

Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Lost should have been posts.  I use a tablet a lot and it autocorrects things incorrectly.  

Laughing

It sounded like you had turned into Quills psychiatrist for a minute there.


I know my limitations. I can point out some mental illness but treating it is way out of my wheel house. Cool

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