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Post by 'Wolfie on Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:37 am

Evil or Very Mad

Murdoch's Aussie contingent of faux 'journalists' (TV, newspaper and radio..) have been increasingly complicit in promoting misleading and deflecting anti-climate, anti-science, pro-'fossil fuel'/coal company propaganda in recent weeks :


https://youtu.be/s23q9DkCaVY


Interesting to note that James Murdoch and his wife are now protesting his father's increasing loopiness  !!!

As for those News Ltd commentators themselves --  a couple of jounalism/communications degrees, an English teacher and rugby coach (Alan Jones), and a couple of high school dropouts --  not a scientist nor experienced forester/farmer/meteorologist among them..
As for that loopy screeching American FauxNews blonde --  her idiotic and ignorant rants speak volumes.

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Post by Lurker on Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:08 pm

Trump in America preaches the same bullshit. Conservatives want everybody on earth to die.

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Post by Maddog on Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:13 pm

Lurker wrote:Trump in America preaches the same bullshit. Conservatives want everybody on earth to die.

Yes, they want everyone including conservatives to be dead.

They are basically just a giant suicide cult. Rolling Eyes

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Post by Lurker on Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:55 pm

Maddog wrote:
Lurker wrote:Trump in America preaches the same bullshit. Conservatives want everybody on earth to die.

Yes, they want everyone including conservatives to be dead.  

They are basically just a giant suicide cult.  Rolling Eyes

From the lying bullshit they spew forth it looks like they do want everyone on earth to die.

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:57 pm

Maddog wrote:
Lurker wrote:Trump in America preaches the same bullshit. Conservatives want everybody on earth to die.

Yes, they want everyone including conservatives to be dead.  

They are basically just a giant suicide cult.  Rolling Eyes

You misunderstand.  It is conservatism that it is dead.  Looking back, as conservatives are wont to do, is also looking at all the failures that have taken place.  Looking ahead is choosing options that change or avoid all those failures.

Wishing people dead, indeed, is the conservative way of viewing things.  Conservatism has a way of polarizing people, so that ideas are seen as etched in concrete.  Seeing people as doctrines is cult behavior…usually with a supreme being, and an unbending ideology.  And, of course, today conservatism has acquired cult status.

The people are voters, and changing minds is the correct approach.  Reasoning is the way of the left.

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Post by Lurker on Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:02 pm

Evangelicals want the earth destroyed. It's Bible prophecy. That way they get a fast ticket to heaven.

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:54 pm

And conservatives oppose universal healthcare.  What could be more pro-death than that?


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Post by Maddog on Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:58 pm

Lurker wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Yes, they want everyone including conservatives to be dead.  

They are basically just a giant suicide cult.  Rolling Eyes

From the lying bullshit they spew forth it looks like they do want everyone on earth to die.

Yes. Make peace with your maker. We're all doomed.


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Post by eddie on Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:26 pm

Maddog wrote:
Lurker wrote:Trump in America preaches the same bullshit. Conservatives want everybody on earth to die.

Yes, they want everyone including conservatives to be dead.  

They are basically just a giant suicide cult.  Rolling Eyes


Hahahahahahaha yeah really. Rolling Eyes

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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:31 pm

Conservatives don't think their actions are dooming lots of people, but that doesn't mean they're right.

If we don't stop acting like climate change is a Chinese hoax, we're fucked.

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Post by Maddog on Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:26 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:Conservatives don't think their actions are dooming lots of people, but that doesn't mean they're right.

If we don't stop acting like climate change is a Chinese hoax, we're fucked.

It's too late.

OK, I was just joking.

Most Scientists don't think we are fucked. That's the politicians saying things like that.

Scientists do say the world will change.

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Post by Maddog on Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:45 pm

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-51281986

Does this review mean human extinction is less likely from climate change?

Many people have concerns that if strong action isn't taken to curb emissions, then the cumulative effect of all the impacts of climate change could threaten the future of humanity.
"There's never been that much evidence that climate change is going to literally cause the extinction of the human race," said Zeke Hausfather.
"But there's a lot of things in the world that are less bad than literal extinction that we want to avoid at all costs."

Is this good news in some ways?

Yes - it shows that even the limited attempts to cut carbon that the world has adopted to date are having an impact and the worst emissions scenarios are no longer realistic.
While a world that warms by 3C is a disaster, the progress that's been made should encourage people to aim for higher targets to try to keep the world to 1.5C of warming, which science suggests is a much safer threshold.
"In many ways this is a success story. It's not where we want to get it's not meeting the Paris agreement targets of limiting warming to below 2C, but the world has taken some action and clean energy has gotten cheaper," said Zeke Hausfather.
"And as that happens, we're necessarily going to move away from some of the worst case possible outcomes. The more climate policies countries enact, the more we're going to sort of head toward a world of two to three degrees warming, hopefully on the two side, and hopefully below two, but that requires a lot more political effort."







Calm the fuck down. People running around saying the end is near are hardly helpful.

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:19 am

Maddog wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-51281986

Does this review mean human extinction is less likely from climate change?

Many people have concerns that if strong action isn't taken to curb emissions, then the cumulative effect of all the impacts of climate change could threaten the future of humanity.
"There's never been that much evidence that climate change is going to literally cause the extinction of the human race," said Zeke Hausfather.
"But there's a lot of things in the world that are less bad than literal extinction that we want to avoid at all costs."

Is this good news in some ways?

Yes - it shows that even the limited attempts to cut carbon that the world has adopted to date are having an impact and the worst emissions scenarios are no longer realistic.
While a world that warms by 3C is a disaster, the progress that's been made should encourage people to aim for higher targets to try to keep the world to 1.5C of warming, which science suggests is a much safer threshold.
"In many ways this is a success story. It's not where we want to get it's not meeting the Paris agreement targets of limiting warming to below 2C, but the world has taken some action and clean energy has gotten cheaper," said Zeke Hausfather.
"And as that happens, we're necessarily going to move away from some of the worst case possible outcomes. The more climate policies countries enact, the more we're going to sort of head toward a world of two to three degrees warming, hopefully on the two side, and hopefully below two, but that requires a lot more political effort."

Calm the fuck down. People running around saying the end is near are hardly helpful.

What utter fookin' nonsense. It's like Nero sticking a finger up his arse and declaring: No, Rome is not burning! Rolling Eyes

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Post by Lurker on Thu Feb 13, 2020 1:30 am

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Post by Maddog on Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:23 pm

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The media has always "lied". The fairness doctrine simply said that a paper or news station had to let both sides lie equally.


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Post by Original Quill on Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:02 pm

Maddog wrote:The media has always "lied". The fairness doctrine simply said that a paper or news station had to let both sides lie equally.

That is a cynical, and incorrect conclusion.  It shows you are untrained in detecting framing.

You can say, eg, Ford is the best; or, you can say people like Ford the best.  The first statement is an absolute statement of which is best; the second statement turns the issue into a survey research question.

Yet, most people hear the two statements as the same thing.  Because of different framing, they can indeed have exact opposite meanings.  But, failing to perceive the difference in framing, some hearing both statements think that one has to be a lie.

That's how we get the fallacy that "the media always lies".

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Post by Maddog on Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:57 pm

“A truth now and then projecting into the ocean of newspaper lies serves like headlands to correct our course. Indeed, my scepticism as to everything I see in a newspaper makes me indifferent whether I ever see one.”

Thomas Jefferson


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Post by Original Quill on Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:44 pm

Maddog wrote:“A truth now and then projecting into the ocean of newspaper lies serves like headlands to correct our course. Indeed, my scepticism as to everything I see in a newspaper makes me indifferent whether I ever see one.”

Nonsense. You are acutely aware of what is being said in the media.

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