Political Compass

by Eilzel Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:43 am

https://www.politicalcompass.org/test

I find it interesting to come back to this every year or so, see if things have changed.

In my case not much, though I think I've veered a little more to the Left Laughing

Take the test if you like, let's see how we all compare Smile

by 'Wolfie Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:51 am

It's only a few months since I las tried it...

I'm still in that bottom left quadrant too, maybe three squares tl the right of you..

by Maddog Wed Nov 27, 2019 5:18 am

by Eilzel Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:05 am

'Wolfie wrote:

It's only a few months since I las tried it...

I'm still in that bottom left quadrant too, maybe three squares tl the right of you..

Can't imagine anyone being to the Left of that tbf Laughing

I was pretty sure I'd moved a little to the Right tbh, but guess not!

^Maddog, would love to see the answers that swung it that far Smile

by 'Wolfie Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:21 am

And his Maddogginess is only about 6 squares to the right of me !!!

Suck it up, big boy..

by Maddog Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:40 pm

Eilzel wrote:
'Wolfie wrote:

It's only a few months since I las tried it...

I'm still in that bottom left quadrant too, maybe three squares tl the right of you..

Can't imagine anyone being to the Left of that tbf

I was pretty sure I'd moved a little to the Right tbh, but guess not!

^Maddog, would love to see the answers that swung it that far

Swung who that far in what direction?

by Ben Reilly Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:45 pm

I'm a bit more libertarian and slightly less to the economic left than Les:

Political Compass Chart?ec=-7.38&soc=-6

All stems from my belief that a society in which people are free to pursue their personal happiness, but which provides help to the poor, is the ideal society.

by Guest Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:32 pm

by Ben Reilly Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:45 pm

Wow, I'd have expected you to be a lot closer to the middle of that graph, Didge.

by Guest Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:50 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:Wow, I'd have expected you to be a lot closer to the middle of that graph, Didge.

Fairly central on left and right Libertarian leaning slightly more to the left which I guess is down to strongly backing social views

Where to be honest there is not much economical views on this but more so ethical views economically

So to be honest I dont think it gives a full understanding of full political views

by Victorismyhero Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:31 pm

no surprises there then

by gelico Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:39 pm

by Guest Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:50 pm

gelico wrote:

lol we are fairly close politically then Gelico based on this.... Political Compass 919144451

by Maddog Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:49 pm

I think a lot of folks score more libertarian than authoritarian in principle, but in practice, they will accept more authoritarian ideas when things get rough, under the pretense of helping people.

Phil touches on the lack of economic questions with a heavier weight going towards social issues. "Social" libertarians are different than economic libertarians. Take the NHS. I doubt anyone on here besides me would want to get rid of it, but it's an authoritarian not a libertarian concept, as participation is forced upon people.

by Maddog Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:54 pm

A little perspective as to where the people that make this test put current and former leaders and politicians.

Note Hillary being more to the right than the Orange One.

by Maddog Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:05 pm

Victorismyhero wrote:

no surprises there then

You're Churchillian!

by eddie Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:12 pm

Here’s mine!

by Maddog Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:14 pm

eddie wrote:Here’s mine!

You're like Chomsky. Shocked

by Maddog Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:16 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:I'm a bit more libertarian and slightly less to the economic left than Les:

All stems from my belief that a society in which people are free to pursue their personal happiness, but which provides help to the poor, is the ideal society.

I would have expected you to be closer to Castro. Wink

by Ben Reilly Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:16 pm

Victorismyhero wrote:

no surprises there then

You realize that one way to interpret your result is that you believe in keeping government out of economic affairs but in people's personal lives?

I've never really gotten that impression from you.

by Ben Reilly Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:18 pm

Maddog wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:I'm a bit more libertarian and slightly less to the economic left than Les:

All stems from my belief that a society in which people are free to pursue their personal happiness, but which provides help to the poor, is the ideal society.

I would have expected you to be closer to Castro.

I've always been libertarian on social issues and left on economic issues. I'm not Cuba, I'm Sweden Cool

by Maddog Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:05 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
Maddog wrote:

I would have expected you to be closer to Castro.

I've always been libertarian on social issues and left on economic issues. I'm not Cuba, I'm Sweden

Not according to this. That's why said earlier that most people are not as libertarian as they think in practice. The welfare state requires a good degree of Authoritarianism.

by Maddog Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:07 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
Maddog wrote:

I would have expected you to be closer to Castro.

I've always been libertarian on social issues and left on economic issues. I'm not Cuba, I'm Sweden

Oddly enough, you're nowhere near Hillary on this spectrum. Notice how close I am to Gary Johnson? I vote pretty close to my beliefs, while you're nowhere near her on this scale.

by Ben Reilly Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:16 pm

Maddog wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:
Maddog wrote:

I would have expected you to be closer to Castro.

I've always been libertarian on social issues and left on economic issues. I'm not Cuba, I'm Sweden

Oddly enough, you're nowhere near Hillary on this spectrum. Notice how close I am to Gary Johnson? I vote pretty close to my beliefs, while you're nowhere near her on this scale.

I've never really gotten a candidate who's where I am on that chart. They're always long-shot candidates who get eliminated early in the primaries.

Besides, political beliefs are certainly not the only thing I look for in a candidate -- otherwise, I'd run myself.

by Maddog Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:20 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Oddly enough, you're nowhere near Hillary on this spectrum. Notice how close I am to Gary Johnson? I vote pretty close to my beliefs, while you're nowhere near her on this scale.

I've never really gotten a candidate who's where I am on that chart. They're always long-shot candidates who get eliminated early in the primaries.

Besides, political beliefs are certainly not the only thing I look for in a candidate -- otherwise, I'd run myself.

Bernie is there. Stein was there on the last election.

by Ben Reilly Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:21 pm

Maddog, you should also acknowledge that your interpretation of authoritarian behavior is a bit different from most people's. Most people interpret authoritarianism as a state in which people's human rights are curtailed and in which a lot of power is concentrated in one or a few people, who have a lot of control over the private lives of their citizens.

You, like many libertarians in the U.S., don't make a distinction between the spheres of private life and commerce, but most people do.

by Ben Reilly Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:22 pm

Maddog wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Oddly enough, you're nowhere near Hillary on this spectrum. Notice how close I am to Gary Johnson? I vote pretty close to my beliefs, while you're nowhere near her on this scale.

I've never really gotten a candidate who's where I am on that chart. They're always long-shot candidates who get eliminated early in the primaries.

Besides, political beliefs are certainly not the only thing I look for in a candidate -- otherwise, I'd run myself.

Bernie is there. Stein was there on the last election.

Neither Bernie nor Stein had the experience I wanted to see. Neither for that matter did Obama back in 2008, but our house was on fire and he was a fireman, so there you go.

by Maddog Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:42 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:Maddog, you should also acknowledge that your interpretation of authoritarian behavior is a bit different from most people's. Most people interpret authoritarianism as a state in which people's human rights are curtailed and in which a lot of power is concentrated in one or a few people, who have a lot of control over the private lives of their citizens.

You, like many libertarians in the U.S., don't make a distinction between the spheres of private life and commerce, but most people do.

I'm irritatingly consistent. My business and income is my private life.

by Maddog Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:43 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Bernie is there. Stein was there on the last election.

Neither Bernie nor Stein had the experience I wanted to see. Neither for that matter did Obama back in 2008, but our house was on fire and he was a fireman, so there you go.

Bernie has been in government 198 years. How much experience does someone need?

And while Obama isn't charted, he's going to be near Hillary and Trump on this scale, nowhere near you.

by Ben Reilly Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:52 pm

Maddog wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Bernie is there. Stein was there on the last election.

Neither Bernie nor Stein had the experience I wanted to see. Neither for that matter did Obama back in 2008, but our house was on fire and he was a fireman, so there you go.

Bernie has been in government 198 years. How much experience does someone need?

And while Obama isn't charted, he's going to be near Hillary and Trump on this scale, nowhere near you.

I still liked Obama quite a bit, Hillary too. Bernie I liked as well, and he does have a lot of experience, but not as Secretary of State. Not as First Lady. Hillary was the most-qualified presidential candidate since George Washington.

by Ben Reilly Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:57 pm

eddie wrote:Here’s mine!

You, me and Ghandi babe Smile

by eddie Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:59 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
eddie wrote:Here’s mine!

You, me and Ghandi babe

Wasn’t he a bit smelly and had a gammy foot?

by Ben Reilly Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:01 pm

He often fasted in protest, so he was quite weakl

He walked everywhere barefoot, so his feet were covered in callouses.

He spent hours meditating.

He didn't always have access to a toothbrush, so his breath smelled really bad.

Basically, he was a super-fragile calloused mystic hexed with halitosis.

by eddie Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:03 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:He often fasted in protest, so he was quite weakl

He walked everywhere barefoot, so his feet were covered in callouses.

He spent hours meditating.

He didn't always have access to a toothbrush, so his breath smelled really bad.

Basically, he was a super-fragile calloused mystic hexed with halitosis.

You are so fucking geekified. Political Compass 1069003512

by Maddog Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:14 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Bernie has been in government 198 years. How much experience does someone need?

And while Obama isn't charted, he's going to be near Hillary and Trump on this scale, nowhere near you.

I still liked Obama quite a bit, Hillary too. Bernie I liked as well, and he does have a lot of experience, but not as Secretary of State. Not as First Lady. Hillary was the most-qualified presidential candidate since George Washington.

I'm not sure what you mean by like. But when it comes to political philosophy, you're no where near most of the folks you "like".

And most of the folks you "like" are in the same neighborhood as Trump.

by Maddog Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:19 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Bernie has been in government 198 years. How much experience does someone need?

And while Obama isn't charted, he's going to be near Hillary and Trump on this scale, nowhere near you.

I still liked Obama quite a bit, Hillary too. Bernie I liked as well, and he does have a lot of experience, but not as Secretary of State. Not as First Lady. Hillary was the most-qualified presidential candidate since George Washington.

And Hillary has zero executive experience. She had a few years as a senator and 4 as Secretary of State. That's hardly impressive when choosing the leader of the executive branch.

by Maddog Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:34 pm

Here's one with Obama and a few more. Like Clinton, Obama is very near to Trump.

by eddie Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:41 pm

Maddog wrote:

Here's one with Obama and a few more. Like Clinton, Obama is very near to Trump.

Very interesting! Where did you get that info from??

by Maddog Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:49 pm

eddie wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Here's one with Obama and a few more. Like Clinton, Obama is very near to Trump.

Very interesting! Where did you get that info from??

Google political compass, followed by a politican or a party.

by eddie Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:51 pm

So are you saying that, for instance, Obama and Hitler took this political compass test?

If they didn’t, it means nothing.

by Maddog Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:55 pm

eddie wrote:So are you saying that, for instance, Obama and Hitler took this political compass test?

If they didn’t, it means nothing.

No, The folks that designed this test, took their political positions and charted them. They have what you call a "body of work" to analyse.

by eddie Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:58 pm

Maddog wrote:
eddie wrote:So are you saying that, for instance, Obama and Hitler took this political compass test?

If they didn’t, it means nothing.

No, The folks that designed this test, took their political positions and charted them. They have what you call a "body of work" to analyse.

Right. Guesswork then. Someone else’s opinion, not the opinion of the person taking the test.

So nothing to see.

Would you like someone to “plot” you in a chart based on what they thought?

It’s just a nothing. Come on. You’re scraping the barrel. Rolling Eyes

by Maddog Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:59 pm

eddie wrote:So are you saying that, for instance, Obama and Hitler took this political compass test?

If they didn’t, it means nothing.

Here is one by country. Obviously they didn't make an entire country take a test.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/euchart

by eddie Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:00 pm

eddie wrote:
Maddog wrote:
eddie wrote:So are you saying that, for instance, Obama and Hitler took this political compass test?

If they didn’t, it means nothing.

No, The folks that designed this test, took their political positions and charted them. They have what you call a "body of work" to analyse.

Right. Guesswork then. Someone else’s opinion, not the opinion of the person taking the test.

So nothing to see.

Would you like someone to “plot” you in a chart based on what they thought?

It’s just a nothing. Come on. You’re scraping the barrel.

And again.

by Maddog Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:01 pm

eddie wrote:
Maddog wrote:

No, The folks that designed this test, took their political positions and charted them. They have what you call a "body of work" to analyse.

Right. Guesswork then. Someone else’s opinion, not the opinion of the person taking the test.

So nothing to see.

Would you like someone to “plot” you in a chart based on what they thought?

It’s just a nothing. Come on. You’re scraping the barrel.

I don't have a body of work really.

But you have seen me on here and Facebook. Based on the positions that you know about me taking, where do you think I should be, and does it differ much from where I wound up?

by Maddog Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:11 pm

eddie wrote:
Maddog wrote:

No, The folks that designed this test, took their political positions and charted them. They have what you call a "body of work" to analyse.

Right. Guesswork then. Someone else’s opinion, not the opinion of the person taking the test.

So nothing to see.

Would you like someone to “plot” you in a chart based on what they thought?

It’s just a nothing. Come on. You’re scraping the barrel.

And this isn't my barrel. I didn't design the test. If you think it's all bullshit, blame the creators.

by eddie Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:13 pm

Maddog wrote:
eddie wrote:
Maddog wrote:

No, The folks that designed this test, took their political positions and charted them. They have what you call a "body of work" to analyse.

Right. Guesswork then. Someone else’s opinion, not the opinion of the person taking the test.

So nothing to see.

Would you like someone to “plot” you in a chart based on what they thought?

It’s just a nothing. Come on. You’re scraping the barrel.

I don't have a body of work really.

But you have seen me on here and Facebook. Based on the positions that you know about me taking, where do you think I should be, and does it differ much from where I wound up?

Would you like someone to “plot” you in a chart based on what they thought?

by Maddog Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:23 pm

eddie wrote:
Maddog wrote:

I don't have a body of work really.

But you have seen me on here and Facebook. Based on the positions that you know about me taking, where do you think I should be, and does it differ much from where I wound up?

Would you like someone to “plot” you in a chart based on what they thought?

I already told you to do it. Where do you think I belong?

by Ben Reilly Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:06 am

Maddog wrote:
eddie wrote:
Maddog wrote:

I don't have a body of work really.

But you have seen me on here and Facebook. Based on the positions that you know about me taking, where do you think I should be, and does it differ much from where I wound up?

Would you like someone to “plot” you in a chart based on what they thought?

I already told you to do it. Where do you think I belong?

Well, I already had a pretty good guess as to where you'd end up on that graph. And I was right.

But is it fair? Was I being fair to you by guessing, educated as my guess might have been, as to what your core values and beliefs really are?

Of course not, and you know it.

I lumped you into my brain's "Ron Paul Guy" category when I guessed that you'd be in that bottom-right square. And you know what that is? Prejudice.

So no. Using guesswork to plot someone on a political compass isn't fair, and it shouldn't be considered any better than guesswork, either. And you know that.

by Maddog Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:34 am

Ben Reilly wrote:
Maddog wrote:

I already told you to do it. Where do you think I belong?

Well, I already had a pretty good guess as to where you'd end up on that graph. And I was right.

But is it fair? Was I being fair to you by guessing, educated as my guess might have been, as to what your core values and beliefs really are?

Of course not, and you know it.

I lumped you into my brain's "Ron Paul Guy" category when I guessed that you'd be in that bottom-right square. And you know what that is? Prejudice.

So no. Using guesswork to plot someone on a political compass isn't fair, and it shouldn't be considered any better than guesswork, either. And you know that.

How did you know where Ron Paul would be?

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