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Post by Victorismyhero on Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:48 am

people.....

thats why

lets look at one of his flagship policies

Housing
he intends to have built 100,000 homes PER YEAR
ok, sounds great
BUT
1) that means we want about the same number of additional construction workers from brickies to sparkys, ground workers etc

we have a shortage thereof
we cant train em in a year so to meet year one's objective means importing them from wherever that means housing them meaning how many homes needed PRIOR to the new ones being built? Where will they magically appear from.

2 and most importantly  Corbyn is going back to the union chaos of the 70's empowering the unions soooo

hes going to give the public sector workers 5%

so the construction workers union will want AT LEAST 5% (and more likely 7%) "or we will go on strike/work to rule and that will kill your 100,000 per year promise dead Mr Corbyn.

so then the newly renationalised postal, rail and bus unions want 7%

then the public sector will want another 5%

etc etc etc....

oh how long before the 95% of tax payers who "wont be affected " are suddenly held to ransom to pay these excess bills...

because I bet the law of unintended consequences hasnt been allowed for in all of this
talk about lack of joined up thinking...or could it be the old grey crow actually intends to betray his union pals? Or more likely is he just "spouting" whatever he thinks might appeal to his loyal following of jealous class warrior drones?

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Post by nicko on Fri Nov 22, 2019 7:28 am

I have a Grandson who's a "Brickie", There's a nationwide shortage of Building Tradsmen. today's youth don't want to work outside in all weathers, they all want a soft job like office workers . Mind you, he likes the shortage, as the Bricklayers are on £20-00 an hour !
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Post by Guest on Fri Nov 22, 2019 7:29 am

Victorismyhero wrote:people.....

thats why

lets look at one of his flagship policies

Housing
he intends to have built 100,000 homes PER YEAR
ok, sounds great
BUT
1) that means we want about the same number of additional construction workers from brickies to sparkys, ground workers etc

we have a shortage thereof
we cant train em in a year so to meet year one's objective means importing them from wherever that means housing them meaning how many homes needed PRIOR to the new ones being built? Where will they magically appear from.

2 and most importantly  Corbyn is going back to the union chaos of the 70's empowering the unions soooo

hes going to give the public sector workers 5%

so the construction workers union will want AT LEAST 5% (and more likely 7%) "or we will go on strike/work to rule and that will kill your 100,000 per year promise dead Mr Corbyn.

so then the newly renationalised postal, rail and bus unions want 7%

then the public sector will want another 5%

etc etc etc....

oh how long before the 95% of tax payers who "wont be affected " are suddenly held to ransom to pay these excess bills...

because I bet the law of unintended consequences hasnt been allowed for in all of this
talk about lack of joined up thinking...or could it be the old grey crow actually intends to betray his union pals? Or more likely is he just "spouting" whatever he thinks might appeal to his loyal following of jealous class warrior drones?

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The middle-of-the-road IFS think tank has produced this chart showing that corporation tax will be higher in the UK than any other G7 country and higher than the average of OECD industrialised countries. That however is not the full story; the 7,000 largest companies will be part nationalised with 10% in the hands of Marxist McDonnell, unions will be restored to their 1970s status able once again to hold management to ransom, with strikes made easy for secondary picketing thugs and union agitators on the board. High earners will be taxed over half their income. Why would anyone invest in Britain?


https://order-order.com/2019/11/22/labours-plan-make-britain-worst-place-business-g7/

https://www.ifs.org.uk/election/2019/article/labour-manifesto-an-initial-reaction-from-ifs-researchers

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:10 am

Victor wrote:lets look at one of his flagship policies

Housing
he intends to have built 100,000 homes PER YEAR
ok, sounds great
BUT
1) that means we want about the same number of additional construction workers from brickies to sparkys, ground workers etc

we have a shortage thereof

OK, so just to keep the concern rolling, what do you plan as an answer, or as an alternative?  Housing seems to be a real issue.  Surely, you don't suggest that it go unanswered. The answer is out there.

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:38 am

Original Quill wrote:
Victor wrote:lets look at one of his flagship policies

Housing
he intends to have built 100,000 homes PER YEAR
ok, sounds great
BUT
1) that means we want about the same number of additional construction workers from brickies to sparkys, ground workers etc

we have a shortage thereof

OK, so just to keep the concern rolling, what do you plan as an answer, or as an alternative?  Housing seems to be a real issue.  Surely, you don't suggest that it go unanswered.  The answer is out there.

The need for more housing is recognised by all parties, and has been greatly exacerbated by the virtually uncontrolled immigration that we have seen over the past couple of decades.

What is not being addressed is just where they should be built (huge areas of the already overcrowded UK are entirely unsuitable for urban development); who is actually going to build them (skills shortages have already been mentioned) and just where is the money to pay for it all going to come from (if anyone believes that the megarich will meekly submit to being taxed out of existence by a Marxist administration they need to have their heads examined for the actual presence of brain cells).
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Post by Original Quill on Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:56 am

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

OK, so just to keep the concern rolling, what do you plan as an answer, or as an alternative?  Housing seems to be a real issue.  Surely, you don't suggest that it go unanswered.  The answer is out there.

The need for more housing is recognised by all parties, and has been greatly exacerbated by the virtually uncontrolled immigration that we have seen  over the past couple of decades.

What is not being addressed is just where they should be built (huge areas of the already overcrowded UK are entirely unsuitable for urban development); who is actually going to build them (skills shortages have already been mentioned) and just where is the money to pay for it all going to come from

Details and small issues.  Let the experts handle this.  If you build it, they will come.

Fred M. wrote:(if anyone believes that the megarich will meekly submit to being taxed out of existence by a Marxist administration they need to have their heads examined for the actual presence of brain cells).

Anything is possible.  How did the rich get so rich, if they didn't rip off others?  So, let their example point the way. We'll build 'em a statute. Twisted Evil

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:21 am

Original Quill wrote:
Fred Moletrousers wrote:

The need for more housing is recognised by all parties, and has been greatly exacerbated by the virtually uncontrolled immigration that we have seen  over the past couple of decades.

What is not being addressed is just where they should be built (huge areas of the already overcrowded UK are entirely unsuitable for urban development); who is actually going to build them (skills shortages have already been mentioned) and just where is the money to pay for it all going to come from

Details and small issues.  Let the experts handle this.  If you build it, they will come.

(Unfortunately what experts SAY should be done and what politicians and bureaucrats DECIDE will be done do not necessarily lead to the same conclusion.)

Fred M. wrote:(if anyone believes that the megarich will meekly submit to being taxed out of existence by a Marxist administration they need to have their heads examined for the actual presence of brain cells).

Anything is possible.  How did the rich get so rich, if they didn't rip off others?  So, let their example point the way.  We'll build 'em a statute.  Twisted Evil

(I'm not defending them...everyone, including the megarich and the big conglomerates should pay their fair share of tax, but the fact that they can afford to pay clever tax lawyers and accountants and move huge amounts of money from a UK or US bank acount to one in the Caymens or Channel Islands with a few keyboard strokes do present them with advantages and opportunities not available to the majority of us.)
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Post by Original Quill on Sat Nov 23, 2019 8:08 am

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Details and small issues.  Let the experts handle this.  If you build it, they will come.

(Unfortunately what experts SAY should be done and what politicians and bureaucrats DECIDE will be done do not necessarily lead to the same conclusion.)



Anything is possible.  How did the rich get so rich, if they didn't rip off others?  So, let their example point the way.  We'll build 'em a statute.  Twisted Evil

(I'm not defending them...everyone, including the megarich and the big conglomerates should pay their fair share of tax, but the fact that they can afford to pay clever tax lawyers and accountants and move huge amounts of money from a UK or US bank acount to one in the Caymens or Channel Islands with a few keyboard strokes do present them with advantages and opportunities not available to the majority of us.)

I know, the rich and privileged have all the advantages.  Russo-Republican Donald Trump is a display case of how they work.  But isn't that the strongest case against libertarianism and free enterprise?  Look what you get when you lift the protections.

That's why a strong central government is imperative.  A strong central power should be built around righteousness, not (as with no protections/regulations) selfishness.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Nov 23, 2019 11:30 am

Victorismyhero wrote:people.....

thats why

lets look at one of his flagship policies

Housing
he intends to have built 100,000 homes PER YEAR
ok, sounds great
BUT
1) that means we want about the same number of additional construction workers from brickies to sparkys, ground workers etc

we have a shortage thereof
we cant train em in a year so to meet year one's objective means importing them from wherever that means housing them meaning how many homes needed PRIOR to the new ones being built? Where will they magically appear from.

2 and most importantly  Corbyn is going back to the union chaos of the 70's empowering the unions soooo

hes going to give the public sector workers 5%

so the construction workers union will want AT LEAST 5% (and more likely 7%) "or we will go on strike/work to rule and that will kill your 100,000 per year promise dead Mr Corbyn.

so then the newly renationalised postal, rail and bus unions want 7%

then the public sector will want another 5%

etc etc etc....

oh how long before the 95% of tax payers who "wont be affected " are suddenly held to ransom to pay these excess bills...

because I bet the law of unintended consequences hasnt been allowed for in all of this
talk about lack of joined up thinking...or could it be the old grey crow actually intends to betray his union pals? Or more likely is he just "spouting" whatever he thinks might appeal to his loyal following of jealous class warrior drones?



Mass immigration is the cause of the problems... so to then say we need more mass immigration of others to be able to build the necessary housing/infrastructure to accommodate the mass of immigrants who have been allowed to arrive here, is insanity!!!

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Post by Eilzel on Sat Nov 23, 2019 3:48 pm

Still reckon Brexit will do well Tommy?

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Post by 'Wolfie on Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:21 pm

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Britain's housing crisis is only going to get worse...

Irregardless of Brexit, and whether or not any of Corbyn's 'thought bubbles' gain any traction, Britain's shortage of suitabe/affordable accommodation and  resultant levels of homelessness will both keep on increasing for the next decade or two..

Yet another consequence of the Thatcher years fucking over British society, and it's economy, during the 1980s.

Not that Britain was alone in that respect --  around the same time Labor state guvm'nts down here started cutting back on the level of building public housing, rather than increasing it..

As with Thatcher's "trickle down/supply side/free markets" nonsense, they were hoping that private investors would take up the slack, and build more suitably affordable houses and apartments --  unfortunately those investors have been concentrating on the top half of the market, largely avoiding the more urgent needs for the bottom 30 -- 40%.

Down here, homelessness rates are more than 50% higher than Britain's, when measured on a 'per capita' basis (i.e Oz has around 110,000 "homeless" for a population of 25 million, while yon Motherland has around 160,000 out of 66 million..).

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Post by Victorismyhero on Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:34 am

and you thought brexit would cause an exodus Rolling Eyes

National Grid and SSE move offshore over Labour plans

4 hours ago





Two top energy firms say they have moved ownership of their UK operations overseas to protect themselves from Labour's nationalisation plans.

In recent months, National Grid has opened offshore holding companies in Hong Kong and Luxembourg, while SSE has incorporated in Switzerland.

As first reported in the Sunday Times, it would not stop them being taken over but could protect investors.

Labour said the "rip-off" move showed the grid needed to be in public hands.

In its election manifesto, the party promised a radical plan to renationalise Britain's rail, mail, water and energy networks, along with broadband.

But energy companies have criticised the plan, with SSE and National Grid among those running ads on Facebook warning of the potential costs.

Labour has previously said its plans would be cost neutral, help decarbonise the economy faster and create jobs.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50536205

So they are going to "take over" a company with its assets AND liabilities but no runnning reserves?

so the first time there are problems with the infrastructure.... wheres the money to repair it...who's pocket will that come out of.........

lack of joined up thinking again, thats going to cost how much more than labours admitted figures?
and when all of the top 5% have moved their money abroad, indeed their money and themselves, who's going to pay the umpteen billion pound bill?

I would imagine by now most have laid in contingency plans. all their money will be well out of any govts reach by now....I know I would.

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Post by Guest on Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:36 am

Eilzel wrote:Still reckon Brexit will do well Tommy?

Better than any potential Labour governement under the present marxists

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Post by Eilzel on Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:21 pm

phildidge wrote:
Eilzel wrote:Still reckon Brexit will do well Tommy?

Better than any potential Labour governement under the present marxists

Might want to fix something there, record appears to have got stuck.

In any case, I was obviously talking about performance in the polls.

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Post by Guest on Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:51 pm

Eilzel wrote:
phildidge wrote:

Better than any potential Labour governement under the present marxists

Might want to fix something there, record appears to have got stuck.

In any case, I was obviously talking about performance in the polls.

How about you go crawl under a rock

I do not have time for lefties that throw jews and females under the bus

All because they are that naive thinking trying implimenting socialist Venezuela here, will somehow work a second time

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Post by Eilzel on Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:56 pm

phildidge wrote:
Eilzel wrote:
phildidge wrote:

Better than any potential Labour governement under the present marxists

Might want to fix something there, record appears to have got stuck.

In any case, I was obviously talking about performance in the polls.

How about you go crawl under a rock

I do not have time for lefties that throw jews and females under the bus

All because they are that naive thinking trying implimenting socialist Venezuela here, will somehow work a second time

Rolling Eyes

Nonsense.

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Post by Guest on Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:57 pm

Eilzel wrote:
phildidge wrote:

How about you go crawl under a rock

I do not have time for lefties that throw jews and females under the bus

All because they are that naive thinking trying implimenting socialist Venezuela here, will somehow work a second time

Rolling Eyes

Nonsense.

Its not nonsense which is the point

You have been well and truly brainwahsed and do not seem to care, that 87% of jews are litterally petrified of Corbyn becoming Prime minister.

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Post by nicko on Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:35 pm

And this man is teaching children ?
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Post by Eilzel on Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:43 am

nicko wrote:And this man is teaching children ?

Another tired old nicko line. Yes, can you imagine, people who don't agree with everything you and didge say teaches people - fuck sake, I hate Right Wing politics, but I don't say anyone who voted for Brexit or loves Farage shouldn't be allowed to teach children.

You know? Cause I'm not a twat Rolling Eyes

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Post by nicko on Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:42 am

That's your opinion, not the opinion of many others !
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Post by Eilzel on Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:47 am

nicko wrote:That's your opinion, not the opinion of many others !

Which part of that, exactly, is my opinion but 'not that of many others'?

That people you don't agree with are teachers?
That I don't think Brexit voters shouldn't be allowed to teach?
That I'm not a twat?

Do you think people who disagree with you shouldn't be allowed to teach?
Do you think I'm a twat? Laughing

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Post by nicko on Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:24 am

Do I think your a Twat ? I refuse to answer that question on the grounds I might incriminate myself !
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Post by Original Quill on Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:32 am

phil wrote:I do not have time for lefties that throw jews and females under the bus

OMG...need I remind you how vociferously you argued to see a serial, gang rapist appointed to the US Supreme Court?  You just offended all women again.

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phil wrote:I do not have time for lefties that throw jews and females under the bus

OMG...need I remind you how vociferously you argued to see a serial, gang rapist appointed to the US Supreme Court?  You just offended all women again.

You mean how you convicted without evidence an innocent man? Through a trial by media?

None of her friends cooroborated her story and yet you seem to believe we should change our systems to become guilty until proven innocent

Frankiily this is why you were no doubt kicked out of law school

Again I defend female rights and a justice system that states people are innocent until proven guilty

Again a vote of Labour is a vote for antisemitism to be nomralised and the eradication of female rights

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Nov 25, 2019 9:18 am

phil wrote:None of her friends cooroborated her story and yet you seem to believe we should change our systems to become guilty until proven innocent.

To the contrary, everyone stepped forward to corroborate Dr. Christine Blasey Ford's story, and the Trump Russo-Republican Brigade issued orders not to interview or listen to them.

You just conveniently forgot that part, innit?  Just an example of Russo-Republicans rigging another investigation.  We've heard it all before.

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Post by Guest on Mon Nov 25, 2019 9:23 am

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phil wrote:None of her friends cooroborated her story and yet you seem to believe we should change our systems to become guilty until proven innocent.

To the contrary, everyone stepped forward to corroborate Dr. Christine Blasey Ford's story, and the Trump Russo-Republican Brigade issued orders not to interview or listen to them.


That is complete bullshit

Not a single person corroborated her story

Even the two journalists that wrote the book on this admit to this major point

Even her close friend states she has no recollection of this

Hence again why you wrere kicked out of law school

You have to make up lies yet again on this

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Nov 25, 2019 9:35 am

No bullshite. Just truths you want to ignore. Seems an epidemic in RW circles.

Dozens of women stepped forward to say Kavanaugh had treated them to the same **flasher** treatment, both at Bethesda and New Haven. He made a game of gang-rape, yet bawled like a baby when challenged about it at his confirmation hearing.

You should look closer, and not gloss over things where women's rights are concerned. As I said, you have an abysmal record when it comes to the claims of women's.

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Post by Guest on Mon Nov 25, 2019 9:37 am

Original Quill wrote:No bullshite.  Just truths you want to ignore.  Seems an epidemic in RW circles.


That is not the same thing at all. People making other claims is not evidence for Christine. Her claims offered witnesses and not a single one coororborated her story. Including one of her best friends.

Holy crap on a cracker and again you claim to be a lawyer?


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phil wrote:People making other claims is not evidence for Christine.

Hahaha...my, how you wish to parse and split hairs. Those claims are evidence in a court of law and in a Senate hearing for confirmation. They go to the credibility of the witness, and also under Rule 404(b), Federal Rules of Evidence, such facts go to "motive, opportunity, intent, preparation, plan, knowledge, identity, or absence of mistake, entrapment or accident."

It's called the MIMIC rule:

Legal Info Inst. wrote:Under Rule 404(b) of the Federal Rules of Evidence, the court will allow evidence of specific acts of misconduct or prior crimes of a defendant not for the purpose of showing criminal disposition, but for the purpose of proving some relevant purpose other than disposition. The acronym MIMIC identifies relevant purposes for admitting such evidence- Motive, Intent, Mistake, Identity, or Common scheme or plan.

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phil wrote:People making other claims is not evidence for Christine.

Hahaha...my, how you wish to parse and split hairs.  Those claims are evidence in a court of law and in a Senate hearing for confirmation.  They go to the credibility of the witness, and also under Rule 404(b), Federal Rules of Evidence, such facts go to "motive, opportunity, intent, preparation, plan, knowledge, identity, or absence of mistake, entrapment or accident."

It's called the MIMIC rule:

Legal Info Inst. wrote:Under Rule 404(b) of the Federal Rules of Evidence, the court will allow evidence of specific acts of misconduct or prior crimes of a defendant not for the purpose of showing criminal disposition, but for the purpose of proving some relevant purpose other than disposition. The acronym MIMIC identifies relevant purposes for admitting such evidence- Motive, Intent, Mistake, Identity, or Common scheme or plan.

Nice attempted duck...quack, quack.


You claimed she had witnesses to her claimed attack

She certainly did and none of them coroborated her story

Hence you lied through your arse as per usual

So you can try and squirm out of this

But there was only two other women that made claims, one under a lawyer who is up on fraud charges

As there is nobody to coroborate the other claims

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phil wrote:None of her friends cooroborated her story and yet you seem to believe we should change our systems to become guilty until proven innocent.

To the contrary, everyone stepped forward to corroborate Dr. Christine Blasey Ford's story, and the Trump Russo-Republican Brigade issued orders not to interview or listen to them.


Bumped again to show Quill was blatantly lying again

Nobody corroborated her story

lol!

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phildidge wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

To the contrary, everyone stepped forward to corroborate Dr. Christine Blasey Ford's story, and the Trump Russo-Republican Brigade issued orders not to interview or listen to them.


Bumped again to show Quill was blatantly lying again

Nobody corroborated her story

lol!


I rest my case and no more needed to be said

Yet again, Quill got blantantly caught lying

Any way back on topic

Like I said, those voting for Labour are litterly willing to throw Jews and females un der the bus

How has it come to this?

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:11 am

Dozens corroborated her, and went on to make additional claims that evidenced a consistent pattern of drinking, flashing and gang-rape on the part of Kavanaugh.

He was, and is a serial rapist, yet the Russo-Republicans refused to listen.  No rebuttal...just refusal.

Like Jack the Ripper, he will probably stalk the streets of Washington, late at night, and in the wee hours of the morning, raping women and small children.  Putin's orders, to show the decadence of America.  Twisted Evil

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Post by JulesV on Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:18 am

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As a rule the maths in the manifestos of politicians never works.  If it did, we'd won't keep needing in a change of govt every 2 minutes.  There are so many elections these days - this reflects perennial dissatisfaction.  

Boris is running around promising everyone the earth. People are waiting to see where he will magically conjure up 50,0000 extra nurses, and probably an equal number of policemen from.

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Post by Victorismyhero on Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:21 am

and labour is promising to pay out £28 for every £1 the tories are suggesting....

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Victorismyhero wrote:and labour is promising to pay out £28 for every £1 the tories are suggesting....

That's a good thing. Laughing

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Post by nicko on Tue Nov 26, 2019 1:26 pm

Not when it's coming out of my pocket !
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nicko wrote:Not when it's coming out of my pocket !

Yeah, but you're a cold, ruthless dude. Twisted Evil

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Post by Eilzel on Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:44 pm

nicko wrote:Not when it's coming out of my pocket !

Are you earning over £80,000 a year?

If not, it won't be.
If so, you can afford to pay a bit more.

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Post by Victorismyhero on Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:52 pm


really

so you dont think these high earners wont increase their earnings by passing on the extra to the "customer" i.e you and me?

of course "we" will pay for it
then you have the insane ideas with death duties
then you have the insane ideas to return to the 70's with union power...how much is THAT going to cost the consumer?
then you have the insane renationalisation plans, which means any private pension fund is going to be destroyed.
Sure...renationalise those industries which had fixed term franchises as it were, when the period runs out, though they wont last 5 mins when the unions get their teeth into them.they will cost billions in propping up ridiculous wage claims.

its not the obvious costs that are going to affect people, its those hidden (and entirely unpredictable) ones that will bite.




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Post by Original Quill on Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:22 pm

Victor wrote:so you dont think these high earners wont increase their earnings by passing on the extra to the "customer" i.e you and me?

No. They will do what everyone else does: look for the less expensive option. They will go overseas. or simply pocket the money.

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Post by Guest on Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:37 pm

Victorismyhero wrote:
really

so you dont think these high earners wont increase their earnings by passing on the extra to the "customer" i.e you and me?

of course "we" will pay for it
then you have the insane ideas with death duties
then you have the insane ideas to return to the 70's with union power...how much is THAT going to cost the consumer?
then you have the insane renationalisation plans, which means any private pension fund is going to be destroyed.
Sure...renationalise those industries which had fixed term franchises as it were, when the period runs out, though they wont last 5 mins when the unions get their teeth into them.they will cost billions in propping up ridiculous wage claims.

its not the obvious costs that are going to affect people, its those hidden (and entirely unpredictable) ones that will bite.





They are clueless mate this far left labour party

Excerts from this car crash interview Corbyn had



"Corbyn fell apart tonight in claiming that he could cover the £58 billion WASPI black hole in his spending plans with “morals”. Good intentions aren’t enough, you do need hard cash…"





4 times he refused to apologise

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Post by Eilzel on Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:14 am

Video 1: When Neil eventually allows him to answer he openly states he'll borrow to compensate the Waspi women. That is as transparent as can be.

Video 2: He points out that with rise in the minimum wage people on low incomes will overall be earning more. In any case, cutting the marriage tax allowance isn't raising taxes, it's cutting an allowance which discriminates again unmarried people.

Video 3: He is doing what he realistically can be expected to do as leader and you all know it. If he apologised, then it would be slapped across all the front pages and used to utterly condemn the Labour party and next you'd all be asking for him to go. As it is, even many Jews say it is overblown and that Corbyn himself is not anti-Semitic. Apologising would be giving in the RW vultures. He's doing the right thing.

If there was any moment he utterly floundered in THAT interview it was when he refused to say he would order the execution of the ISIS leader if our armed forces informed him they had a chance. That was a weak moment in the interview, very weak imo. The rest he handled as well as anyone could in the face of Neil's relentless and boarish questioning (which I like btw, and look forward to the same brutalising of Johnson).

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Post by Victorismyhero on Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:32 am

Eilzel wrote:Video 1: When Neil eventually allows him to answer he openly states he'll borrow to compensate the Waspi women. That is as transparent as can be.

whats NOT transparent is the overall cost of that borrowing, or who is going to pay for it eventually (hint it WONT be "the higher earners")

Video 2: He points out that with rise in the minimum wage people on low incomes will overall be earning more. In any case, cutting the marriage tax allowance isn't raising taxes, it's cutting an allowance which discriminates again unmarried people.
and the cost of the rise in minimum wage will be borne by???? thats right, the consumer

Video 3: He is doing what he realistically can be expected to do as leader and you all know it. If he apologised, then it would be slapped across all the front pages and used to utterly condemn the Labour party and next you'd all be asking for him to go. As it is, even many Jews say it is overblown and that Corbyn himself is not anti-Semitic. Apologising would be giving in the RW vultures. He's doing the right thing.

apologies mean nothing in any case, however what he COULD do is stop it, but then in reality corbyn is merely a useful puppet idiot for the true core of labour at the moment, which is of course momentum, a marxist extremist group

If there was any moment he utterly floundered in THAT interview it was when he refused to say he would order the execution of the ISIS leader if our armed forces informed him they had a chance. That was a weak moment in the interview, very weak imo. The rest he handled as well as anyone could in the face of Neil's relentless and boarish questioning (which I like btw, and look forward to the same brutalising of Johnson).

Again being merely a puppet for the marxist momentum, his "weakness" is merely following their directives, the whole party is "weak" they would never launch retaliatory nuclear strikes,  they do not have either the guts or inclination, of course THEY would be ok in their deep shelters, and it would suit them to emerge into a post nuclear worlds as the mighty rulers, since as they see it marxism and such would be the winners.
the gutless reactions of these people is entirely self serving since chaos and instability is what suits them best. It has NOTHING to do with "humane" or proper treatment of the enemies of ours.



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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:06 am

Eilzel wrote:
nicko wrote:Not when it's coming out of my pocket !

Are you earning over £80,000 a year?

If not, it won't be.
If so, you can afford to pay a bit more.

The £80,000 a year salary level much flaunted by John McDonnell is, and always has been, a gigantic red herring...a typical bit of political spin designed to deflect attention from the real target of Labour's reckless spending plans.

The main tax onslaught is going to be against company profits and shareholders' dividends, and the principle sufferers will be the millions of people in private sector retirement pension schemes, many of which are already in dire straights because of years of low interest returns and former Labour Chancellor Gordon Brown's notorious plundering of dividends on investment portfolios.

I don't know your UK employment background,Les, but if it was private sector and you are relying on your accumulated pension pot to pay for your life in retirement you should be afraid. Very afraid. I know that I certainly am in my capacities as both a private sector pensioner and former pension fund trustee.

If, of course, you are former public sector or local authority employee - as are MacDonnell, many other Labour MPs and every sitting MP, past and present - then your pension pot will have been largely paid for by national and local taxpayers, and you will be able to retire in the comforting knowledge that your pension is underwritten by the state and is fully secure and immune from the punitive tax grabs which private sector pensioners now face.

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Post by Guest on Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:15 am

Victorismyhero wrote:
Eilzel wrote:Video 1: When Neil eventually allows him to answer he openly states he'll borrow to compensate the Waspi women. That is as transparent as can be.

whats NOT transparent is the overall cost of that borrowing, or who is going to pay for it eventually (hint it WONT be "the higher earners")

Video 2: He points out that with rise in the minimum wage people on low incomes will overall be earning more. In any case, cutting the marriage tax allowance isn't raising taxes, it's cutting an allowance which discriminates again unmarried people.
and the cost of the rise in minimum wage will be borne by???? thats right, the consumer

Video 3: He is doing what he realistically can be expected to do as leader and you all know it. If he apologised, then it would be slapped across all the front pages and used to utterly condemn the Labour party and next you'd all be asking for him to go. As it is, even many Jews say it is overblown and that Corbyn himself is not anti-Semitic. Apologising would be giving in the RW vultures. He's doing the right thing.

apologies mean nothing in any case, however what he COULD do is stop it, but then in reality corbyn is merely a useful puppet idiot for the true core of labour at the moment, which is of course momentum, a marxist extremist group

If there was any moment he utterly floundered in THAT interview it was when he refused to say he would order the execution of the ISIS leader if our armed forces informed him they had a chance. That was a weak moment in the interview, very weak imo. The rest he handled as well as anyone could in the face of Neil's relentless and boarish questioning (which I like btw, and look forward to the same brutalising of Johnson).

Again being merely a puppet for the marxist momentum, his "weakness" is merely following their directives, the whole party is "weak" they would never launch retaliatory nuclear strikes,  they do not have either the guts or inclination, of course THEY would be ok in their deep shelters, and it would suit them to emerge into a post nuclear worlds as the mighty rulers, since as they see it marxism and such would be the winners.
the gutless reactions of these people is entirely self serving since chaos and instability is what suits them best. It has NOTHING to do with "humane" or proper treatment of the enemies of ours.



+1

Eilze seems to be under some illusions here, because Momentum on twitter realised it was a car crash imnterview. As they put out replies to post in regards to this.

https://order-order.com/2019/11/26/momentum-prepare-truly-horrific-corbyn-brillo-interview/

For me to not apologise to the Jews for the failings of the Labour says it all and it will certainly cost him not only the Jewish vote, but now the Hindu vote

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7728487/British-Hindu-leaders-join-Archbishop-Canterbury-backing-Chief-Rabbi.html

Do you know what this reminds me. How the Nazi also promised plenty of economic gifts to the Germans which allowed many to turn a blind eye to the hate of Jews. In the end Hitler brought Germany to economic ruin and then war. Their allied themselves to the IRA, Palestinian extremists, hated capitalism, created a bloodless night of the long knives in the Labour party etc

Some people litterally do not care about throwing people under the bus, in order to make their socialist dream a reality. No matter the cost and have still not learn a thing about how such examples of this far left extremism. Have economically ruined countries.

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Post by Guest on Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:36 am

Eilzel wrote:. As it is, even many Jews say it is overblown and that Corbyn himself is not anti-Semitic. Apologising would be giving in the RW vultures. He's doing the right thing.

Really?

"A poll carried out for the Jewish Chronicle last month found that more than 85% of British Jews think Corbyn is anti-Semitic. Similar numbers believe that the Labour party itself suffers from significant levels of anti-Semitism at all levels. Only 1.7% of the country’s Jews believe Prime Minister Theresa May to be anti-Semitic."

This is what you worshippers do. Down play the antisemitism, which means you also do not believe Labour is rife with antisemitism. As the only Jews that say itsoverblown are those who are momentum supporters.

To say its overblown, is you living in a buble with also your head firmly stuck in the ground.

What you do not realise is Corbyn will also allow Muslims to not have to attend inclusion classes for LGBT. He is going to invite a Muslim leader that called for the death of Jews

https://order-order.com/2019/11/26/corbyn-invite-hamas-supporting-Muslim-association-britain-downing-street-elected/

I guess all that matters is your failed socialist dream becoming a reality, where you are simply sticking up two fingers to everyone else


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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:56 am

It would appear that the Dear Leader is becoming increasingly desperate in his attempt to wriggle out of the disastrous fall-out from his embarrassing interview with Andrew Neil.

Apparently, in a hastily arranged "hold the front page" stunt this morning, he took to waving so-called secret official documents in the air "proving" that Johnson and the Tories are planning to sell out the National Health Service in order to get a trade deal with the Americans.

Seems, however, that the said shock-horror revelation is nothing more than an old an civil service discussion paper dating way back beyond Johnson's election as party leader and PM and subsequently flatly dismissed by Johnson himself.

Oh dear.....
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How embarrassing for the Magic Grandpa !
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nicko wrote:How embarrassing for the Magic Grandpa !

There's very little "magic" about Corbyn, Nicko. He's nothing more than a useful idiot of modest education and limited intelligence who is simply a puppet whose strings are being pulled by sinister people of far greater greater intellect, such as McDonnell....the man who would, heaven forbid,  become Prime Minister within six months of a Labour victory in the election.

For a glimpse of this country's future under a government run by the present Opposition shower one only has to consider Corbyn's nomination as Home Secretary, one of the traditional four great offices of state and the minister who would be in ultimate charge of our homeland security and policing. Diane Abbott, for God's sake; a woman who would be over-qualified for the job of village idiot!

For the first time in many years I truly do not know how I am going to cast my vote. I am worried about the Tory drift to the Right, and I am terrified by the way in which Momentum is pushing even decent, moderate Labour supporters to the ultra Left.

And as for the Liberal Democrats, for whom I have voted in the past and might well have been tempted to support this time, they are no longer either liberal or democratic under the autocratic Swinson who has in effect told me and more than 17 million other ordinary voters that we voted the wrong way in the referendum and that she and her dictatorial little rump party are now going to ensure that our choice is forcibly overturned and that we are not to be given another chance to defy them.

This list of runners for my constituency includes a Monster Raving Loony candidate. I am sorely tempted......
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