Racism exists...in all ways

Taken from Facebook:

Dear McDonald's worker who will probably never see this....,
Ur drive thru windows aren't sound proof. Ur probably wondering y I had tears in my eyes when u handed me my iced coffee... or maybe not, judging by the words u said after handing me my oatmeal...
"Look at this white girl, tryin to wrap her head. Lookin all stupid"
As u and ur coworker laughed and passed judgement on my poor head wrap job, I hope ur day gets better. I went to McDonald's for an iced coffee and oatmeal to try to make my day better, but u made it worse. I hope u never get sick. I hope ur healthy and thriving for ur life. I hope ur family members r healthy and happy. Cuz I didnt wrap my head to try to be anything in particular... I wrapped it cuz I shaved my head when my hair was falling out from chemo and having a baby, and yesterday my stepson told me he liked it. I wrapped it cuz the scarf was given to me from a woman at the office I get radiation treatments from. I also wrapped it cuz I haven't showered in 2 days cuz I'm a mom who is still trying to figure out how to juggle everything.
So, thank you for reminding me to be careful with my words... and to not judge a book by the cover.

Sincerely,
That "stupid white girl"

**edit** I love that my friends and family members have commented and messaged asking which one so they can call and take up for me, but I really posted this as a reminder to be kind- not to get anyone in trouble or to have them inadvertently lose their job that pays their bills. So, please... just be kind!
Love your neighbor as yourself Mark 12:31:purple_heart:

One of my Grandsons had Cancer [Ewins Carcinoma],
He lost all his hair, the Black kids there kept pulling his cap off and shouting "baldy". I spoke to his teacher who got the class together and explained why he was bald . A few weeks later he had his Leg amputated. It didn't save him ,he died 3 weeks later . Most of his class,including the Black kids went to his Funeral . He knew he was dying and asked all mourners to wear a Pink tie at his Funeral. 30 class mates turned up , and all wore a Pink tie !

that's a really sad story nicko, but strangely beautiful too

thank you for sharing that

xx

Thanks Gelico, don't mind admitting I had a tear or two writing that.

My late wife died of ovarian cancer...a long, drawn out, painful and horrible departure from this world.
She lost all the glorious auburn hair of her youth...her outstanding feature that had captured the heart of a dashing young chap in RAF uniform who went on, many years later, to become her husband, carer and mourner.
Cancer is vile. It must be conquered.

Fred M. wrote:My late wife died of ovarian cancer...a long, drawn out, painful and horrible departure from this world.

Ovarian cancer = a death sentence.  Very sorry for your loss, Fred.

Original Quill wrote:

Fred M. wrote:My late wife died of ovarian cancer...a long, drawn out, painful and horrible departure from this world.

Ovarian cancer = a death sentence.  Very sorry for your loss, Fred.

Yes, the "silent killer" for too many ladies.

A bloated feeling in the abdomen for no apparent reason...and it's too late to reverse things.

Six years now, but it's why I still support Cancer Research UK and Macmillan Cancer support in the hope that it can be conquered. And soon.....

Sorry for your loss Nicko and thanks for sharing the story.

Any comments from anyone on the fact this is racist against a white girl by a bunch of black girls? (Psssst Quill...)

eddie wrote:Sorry for your loss Nicko and thanks for sharing the story.

Any comments from anyone on the fact this is racist against a white girl by a bunch of black girls? (Psssst Quill...)

Who gets oatmeal at McDonald's?  Much cheaper and better at Safeway...ya just nuke a cup o' water and mix it in.  Voilà...  

Eddie, you wrote:

eddie wrote: As u and ur coworker laughed and passed judgement on my poor head wrap job,

Then you wrote:

eddie wrote: a bunch of black girls? (Psssst Quill...)

Two people don't make a bunch. Are you exaggerating for effect?

Anyhow my reply is that they should both have been reported immediately for very unprofessional conduct. They would deny that they said it, of course, like a pair of cowards. People always deny stuff in a "their-word-against ours" scenario ….but hopefully being caught means they won't do it again. - RESULT!

many years ago my dad was a councillor and he had a conversation with an Indian friend of his who was wanting to stand. my dad mentioned a certain ward and the guy said ''Oh, no that ward is all Pakistanis, they would never vote for me in a million years, they don't really like us Indians''

where there are human beings, prejudice will exist

point of order

it doesn't actually mention in the article that said McD workers were black anyway

Jules wrote:Eddie, you wrote:

eddie wrote:  As u and ur coworker laughed and passed judgement on my poor head wrap job,

Then you wrote:

eddie wrote:  a bunch of black girls? (Psssst Quill...)

Black girls??  I don't see anything about black girls.

gelico wrote:


many years ago my dad was a councillor and he had a conversation with an Indian friend of his who was wanting to stand.  my dad mentioned a certain ward and the guy said ''Oh, no that ward is all Pakistanis, they would never vote for me in a million years, they don't really like us Indians''

where there are human beings, prejudice will exist

I first recognised that there is such a thing as racism many years ago, not long after the Empire Windrush brought the first large influx of West Indian immigrants into the country.

In a general election the Tory candidate actually paid kids in my home town - a mining community - to go round chanting "If you want a n****r for your neighbour, vote Labour." No action was taken against him, so far as I can recall, apart from a mildly critical editorial in the local paper.

The strange thing was that I don't think any of us had ever seen a West Indian, and being black was a pretty common sight where I lived because most men worked "dahn t' pit" and because there were no pithead baths in those days, they all made their way home black as the ace of spades from coal dust!

Fred Moletrousers wrote:

gelico wrote:


many years ago my dad was a councillor and he had a conversation with an Indian friend of his who was wanting to stand.  my dad mentioned a certain ward and the guy said ''Oh, no that ward is all Pakistanis, they would never vote for me in a million years, they don't really like us Indians''

where there are human beings, prejudice will exist

I first recognised that there is such a thing as racism many years ago, not long after the Empire Windrush brought the first large influx of West Indian immigrants into the country.

In a general election the Tory candidate actually paid kids in my home town - a mining community - to go round chanting "If you want a n****r for your neighbour, vote Labour." No action was taken against him, so far as I can recall, apart from a mildly critical editorial in the local paper.

The strange thing was that I don't think any of us had ever seen a West Indian, and being black was a pretty common sight where I lived because most men worked "dahn t' pit" and because there were no pithead baths in those days, they all made their way home black as the ace of spades from coal dust!

that's outrageous behaviour imo

also i was brought up in a family who lived next door to a large family of west indians so it was no big deal to me. plus my parents were short term foster parents to kids of so many races it was hard to keep track, so skin colour was never an issue as it was there since as far back as i can remember.

my first experience of racism was actually when i started secondary school a nd came across the word 'coon'. i then proceeded to ask my dad what it meant. we were sitting round the dinner table at the time (yep, sitting round the dinner table) and my dad nearly exploded with wrath. i was most impressed by the result my question got. still once he calmed down and explained i just remember feeling totally baffled by it

back in the day we used to watch 'love thy neighbour' and my dad and neighbour would have a chuckle about it next day

#goodtimes

gelico wrote:

Fred Moletrousers wrote:

I first recognised that there is such a thing as racism many years ago, not long after the Empire Windrush brought the first large influx of West Indian immigrants into the country.

In a general election the Tory candidate actually paid kids in my home town - a mining community - to go round chanting "If you want a n****r for your neighbour, vote Labour." No action was taken against him, so far as I can recall, apart from a mildly critical editorial in the local paper.

The strange thing was that I don't think any of us had ever seen a West Indian, and being black was a pretty common sight where I lived because most men worked "dahn t' pit" and because there were no pithead baths in those days, they all made their way home black as the ace of spades from coal dust!

that's outrageous behaviour imo

also i was brought up in a family who lived next door to a large family of west indians so it was no big deal to me.  plus my parents were short term foster parents to kids of so many races it was hard to keep track, so skin colour was never an issue as it was there since as far back as i can remember.

my first experience of racism was actually when i started secondary school a nd came across the word 'coon'.  i then proceeded to ask my dad what it meant.  we were sitting round the dinner table at the time (yep, sitting round the dinner table) and my dad nearly exploded with wrath.  i was most impressed by the result my question got.  still once he calmed down and explained i just remember feeling totally baffled by it

back in the day we used to watch 'love thy neighbour' and my dad and neighbour would have a chuckle about it next day

#goodtimes

It was outrageous behaviour in my opinion - both then and now.

What we tend to forget, however, is that what was considered "the norm" and socially acceptable in 1948 in not normal or acceptable behaviour today because we have, thank God, long moved on.

We tend to judge what happened back in our history by today's standards and I suggest that that is a pointless exercise in terms of achieving anything...if only because we cannot, for good or ill, change history. We can only learn from our forebears' mistakes in determining our own behaviour.

Original Quill wrote:

Jules wrote:Eddie, you wrote:

eddie wrote:  As u and ur coworker laughed and passed judgement on my poor head wrap job,

Then you wrote:

eddie wrote:  a bunch of black girls? (Psssst Quill...)

Black girls??  I don't see anything about black girls.

“Look at this white girl, tryin to wrap her head. Lookin all stupid"

You think a white girl said that about another white girl? Don’t bother answering. You are just so colour blind.

eddie wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Black girls??  I don't see anything about black girls.

“Look at this white girl, tryin to wrap her head. Lookin all stupid"

You think a white girl said that about another white girl? Don’t bother answering. You are just so colour blind.

Yeah...well, I assumed it was a non-issue in the story.  What's with you and color, anyway?  Have a gander at all the whites and scarves....













Take a look at the web page yourself.  Can't find a black or asian woman in the lot.

https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrWnWc9eq9dxXYA.RMPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTE0a251M3VsBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjg5MjJfMQRzZWMDcGl2cw--?p=scarves&type=admk&hspart=pty&hsimp=yhs-pty_maps¶m1=20171009¶m2=e14f4fa0-748f-420c-97d9-ac7b43f587c0¶m3=maps_%7EUS%7Eappfocus84%7E¶m4=%7Bsource%7D-bb8%7EChrome%7Escarves%7E850BA6DC4A10BDB6AF8B2C103B681625&ei=UTF-8&fr=yhs-pty-pty_maps#id=32&iurl=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-l5PJoJdVAmE%2FToPgjpz-4LI%2FAAAAAAAAAaQ%2FfNvGDeQyr64%2Fs1600%2F5887017086_40f9818dd8_b.jpg&action=click

Or simply GOOGLE 'scarves", then click "images".

Dumb reasoning by Quill as per usual. as we can all post pictures







You failed to answer Eddie's actual point

Why did they invoke her as white?

Kind of a big clue that

phildidge wrote:Dumb reasoning by Quill as per usual. as we can all post pictures







You failed to answer Eddie's actual point

Why did they invoke her as white?

Kind of a big clue that

Didge, you can't generalize from specifics. I'm selecting from a general pool (Google-images) and see how there are no racial divides. You are cherry-picking from a few photographs, inventing your own story. I repeat, you can't generalize from specifics.

The question was mine about the story, not ed's. Why did anyone invoke this as a black issue? Scarves are endemic to every race. I just proved that.

Original Quill wrote:

phildidge wrote:Dumb reasoning by Quill as per usual. as we can all post pictures







You failed to answer Eddie's actual point

Why did they invoke her as white?

Kind of a big clue that

Didge, you can't generalize from specifics.  I'm selecting from a general pool (Google-images) and see how there are no racial divides.  You are cherry-picking from a few photographs, inventing your own story.  I repeat, you can't generalize from specifics.

The question was mine about the story, not ed's.  Why did anyone invoke this as a black issue?  Scarves are endemic to every race.  I just proved that.

No I just easily rebuked your poor argument which was clearly a poor deflection to eddies point and you continue to do so.
Of course scarves are universal but its also clear that some people hold racial views to who holds a cultural claim to certain clothing do they not? Most of which is generally bullshit. Hence we have the absurd notion of cultural appropriation. So I have no doubt that the views made were by someone not white and had a racist intent against the white woman

Its not rocket science unless of course you are an apologist for racism against white people as you are.

Again why did they invoke the person was "white"

phil wrote:Of course scarves are universal but its also clear that some people hold racial views to who holds a cultural claim to certain clothing do they not? Most of which is generally bullshit. Hence we have the absurd notion of cultural appropriation.

It's big in your mind, and nowhere else. Let it go. You and eds made the wrong assumption.

Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups.

So not only did Quill avoid Eddies point but also avoided when I repeated this.

No problem, he clearly is now running away with his tail between his legs. When I offer up reasoning behind this appalling racism

Hey ho

phildidge wrote:So not only did Quill avoid Eddies point but also avoided when I repeated this.

No problem, he clearly is now running away with his tail between his legs. When I offer up reasoning behind this appalling racism

Hey ho

What reasoning? Eds never mentioned blacks, nor did she make a point that blacks and scarves were synonymous. It's a loser argument. Nuff said...

Still dodging the question.

Quelle surprise

phildidge wrote:Still dodging the question.

I've answered the question, with my post showing scarves are worn by many more white women, than blacks.  So the OP article cannot be about racism.

What the article author is doing is shaming the two individuals targeted for not being sensitive about cancer victims.  It has nothing to do with race.  She was wearing a scarf because she had cancer, not because of race or cultural identity.  Her tiff with the two girls was over being a cancer victim.

The fact that you come along and independently post a few photos of black women, is meaningless. You didn't write the article...you can't rewrite it after-the-fact.  In short, you can't make a story where none exists.

Haha...just excuse yourself, and leave the thread.

Oh my Quill, you really are sounding desperate.

Vintage wrote:Oh my Quill, you really are sounding desperate.

Naaa...when I know I've already subdued the snake, I still might give it an extra thwack if it's still twitching.

Vintage wrote:Oh my Quill, you really are sounding desperate.

My sentiments exactly
He always dodges around points raised when he defends racism against white people

Quill said

“Scarves are endemic to every race. I just proved that.”

As is racism. I just proved that.

eddie wrote:Quill said

“Scarves are endemic to every race. I just proved that.”

As is racism. I just proved that.

Realizing it is a step in the right direction. Now, take it apart, study it, and find out the reasons for it. That's what I've been doing my whole life.

I recommend others do it too.

Original Quill wrote:

eddie wrote:Quill said

“Scarves are endemic to every race. I just proved that.”

As is racism. I just proved that.

Realizing it is a step in the right direction.  Now, take it apart, study it, and find out the reasons for it.  That's what I've been doing my whole life.

I recommend others do it too.

Try living it. I did.

There are stronger themes than racism in this story which have been overlooked. In fact they eclipse the racism which tbf is relatively mild in this case. I mean .... it did not result in someone being shot whilst minding their business in their own home.

One overlooked theme is the lack of awareness of cancer suffering. People would be more kind & considerate (hopefully) if they realise that cancer is  often a reason  for someone's unusual appearance/presentation. It doesn't seem to cross their minds.

The other theme is the ridiculous hoohah about 'wrongful' appropriation of culture. Surely anyone of any race has every right to have whatever hairstyle/headgear they want ……. & there's an end to it!

I kind of agree with Jules, for instance headscarves and dreadlocks have been universal throughout history, not to mention feather headdresses and much more.

Vintage wrote:I kind of agree with Jules, for instance headscarves and dreadlocks have been universal throughout history, not to mention feather headdresses and much more.

I agree with both of you, Vintage and Jules. I'll go further: I don't see the act of the two women as racial in the least. It could have been two "white girls" taking a dig at another "white girl."

They were talking about the appropriation of, perhaps, a Muslim hijab? If the discussion is about appropriation of styles, perhaps they simply don't like any migration of styles to other cultures.

Original Quill wrote:

Vintage wrote:I kind of agree with Jules, for instance headscarves and dreadlocks have been universal throughout history, not to mention feather headdresses and much more.

I agree with both of you, Vintage and Jules.  I'll go further: I don't see the act of the two women as racial in the least.  It could have been two "white girls" taking a dig at another "white girl."

They were talking about the appropriation of, perhaps, a Muslim hijab?  If the discussion is about appropriation of styles, perhaps they simply don't like any migration of styles to other cultures.

Yes a lot of harassment for so called misappropriation of culture, comes from the white media.
When these ladies experimented with exotic hairstyles it was mainstream media that criticised them (images below)
But if they wanted to try a different look - surely it's their business, no one else's >

Original Quill wrote:

Vintage wrote:I kind of agree with Jules, for instance headscarves and dreadlocks have been universal throughout history, not to mention feather headdresses and much more.

I agree with both of you, Vintage and Jules.  I'll go further: I don't see the act of the two women as racial in the least.  It could have been two "white girls" taking a dig at another "white girl."

i agree with you in this instance. it happens more than you might think

in any case the girl herself never claimed any kind of racist behaviour. all she said was that people need to be a bit kinder to each other,,,,,

however, racism does in fact exist all over and is not limited to white race

I watched this itv airline series many moons ago /\ /\ and one of the main stars of the show, air stewardess Katrina has suffered with cancer since aged 16. Chemotherapy completely destroyed her long lovely hair. Unthinking passengers used to say "oh you're so pretty but your hairstyle is too short" ……. and she'd cry.


The passengers were well meaning and pleasant but they simply did not realise she had cancer. (Or that she could have been suffering from alopecia like tv presenter Gail Porter.) There should be more awareness of chemo, etc and in any case people should think twice before commenting about strangers.

Why would a couple of white girls use the term 'white girl' when talking about another white girl?
Same with a couple of blacks girls would they use the term 'black girl' when talking about another black girl, I doubt it very much.

Vintage wrote:Why would a couple of white girls use the term 'white girl' when talking about another white girl?
Same with a couple of blacks girls would they use the term 'black girl' when talking about another black girl, I doubt it very much.

Exactly. It’s not rocket science, is it?

Vintage wrote:Why would a couple of white girls use the term 'white girl' when talking about another white girl?
Same with a couple of blacks girls would they use the term 'black girl' when talking about another black girl, I doubt it very much.

The answer is simple: the anomaly is in the cultural appropriation of another culture's hijab. The two white girls would be commenting on the lone white girl (with cancer), and her use of Muslim clothing.

I think the whole complaint is to do with being more tolerant of people with cancer, and nothing to do with race.

I still doubt they would use the term 'white girl'. It's more likely to be 'look at her' if she was the same colour, in any situation where people of any particular colour talks about someone of the same colour, to refer to that colour is superfluous, there's no need to call attention to the same condition as yourself.

Vintage wrote:I still doubt they would use the term 'white girl'. It's more likely to be 'look at her' if she was the same colour, in any situation where people of any particular colour talks about someone of the same colour, to refer to that colour is superfluous, there's no need to call attention to the same condition as yourself.

They would use the term "white girl" if the subject were the mismatch of the hijab with a "white girl". I assume (by their jobs) that they are not very literate...."white girl" would mean to them a Caucasian, or English girl, only they would use the only term that comes to mind to distinguish and point up the anomaly.

Like it or not, that's the way I took it.

Like it or not its a fairly out there opinion you have, pretty much a lawyer-ish argument I would suggest.
Would you stand in a room with six other lawyers and said to one of the others 'look at that lawyer'

Vintage wrote:Like it or not its a fairly out there opinion you have, pretty much a lawyer-ish argument I would suggest.
Would you stand in a room with six other lawyers and said to one of the others 'look at that lawyer'

You’re wasting your time. Quill thinks that black people are perfect and just cannot be racist.

eddie wrote:

Vintage wrote:Like it or not its a fairly out there opinion you have, pretty much a lawyer-ish argument I would suggest.
Would you stand in a room with six other lawyers and said to one of the others 'look at that lawyer'

You’re wasting your time. Quill thinks that black people are perfect and just cannot be racist.

Well...they were enslaved for 400-years. They are certainly not the privileged elite.

What you think only black people were enslaved for 400 years or so?

Vintage wrote:What you think only black people were enslaved for 400 years or so?

In our time, in our culture, yes. Shame on us.

Original Quill wrote:

Vintage wrote:What you think only black people were enslaved for 400 years or so?

In our time, in our culture, yes.  Shame on us.  

And this is what is wrong with Quills mentality and views on this

This is self flagellation in the most extreme form

Using "us" as a coilletiv,e placing a guilt on people who committed no such crimes born today

You cannot find a better example of Ostrich Parasitic Syndrome