Jeffrey Epstein found dead in cell - suicide

ABC News wrote:Jail protocols for checking on Jeffrey Epstein were not followed in hours before he died by suicide

BILL HUTCHINSON and AARON KATERSKY
August 11, 2019


Jail protocols requiring routine checks on the wellbeing of accused sex trafficker Jeffery Epstein appear to have not been followed in the hours before the millionaire was found hanging in his cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York City, sources told ABC News on Sunday.

As an inmate in the Special Housing Unit at MCC, Epstein should have been checked on by a correctional officer every 30 minutes, according to Bureau of Prison protocols. But sources told ABC News that protocol was not followed prior to Epstein’s death by suicide.

In recent weeks, the correctional officers' union has complained of understaffing. Those gripes are now part of the investigation into whether the 30-minute checks were happening, sources said.

The two guards that were at the Special Housing Unit where Epstein was housed, were both on overtime. One officer was working a mandatory overtime shift. The other officer was working his fifth overtime shift of the week, a single source familiar with the matter told ABC News. This was first reported by CNN.

A source familiar with conditions at MCC told ABC News that recently, BOP had to bring in staff to the MCC from other facilities because of understaffing at the prison. The source said the agency even went so far to list the facility as "hard to fill."

Epstein, a convicted sex offender, was found unresponsive in his cell around 6:30 a.m. on Saturday, the Bureau of Prisons said. He was transported in cardiac arrest at 6:39 a.m. to New York Downtown Hospital, where he was pronounced dead, according to sources.

An autopsy on Epstein was performed today and the cause and manner of death are pending further information, according to the New York City Medical Examiner's Office. A private pathologist, Dr. Michael Baden, observed the autopsy at the request of those representing Epstein.

The 66-year-old financier -- who once socialized with former President Bill Clinton, Great Britain's Prince Andrew, and President Donald Trump -- was placed on suicide watch on July 23 after he was initially found unresponsive and with bruises on his neck in his cell in the Special Housing Unit of the federal lockup in lower Manhattan. He was taken off suicide watch on July 29, officials told ABC News.

His death angered many of Epstein's accusers who said they wanted him to be found accountable for the alleged sex abuse he subjected them too, including some when they were minors.

One of Epstein's accusers, Jennifer Araoz, who claimed that Epstein raped her when she was 15, said through her attorney that she plans to go ahead with a lawsuit against Epstein.

"This week, we intend to pursue justice for our client, Jennifer Araoz, and hold accountable those who enabled Mr. Epstein's criminal activity," Araoz's attorney, Dan Kaiser, said in a statement on Sunday. "Regardless of his untimely death, our case will move forward. Jennifer deserves her day in court."

U.S. Attorney General William Barr has ordered a full investigation into Epstein's death to determine how such a high-profile inmate could have taken his own life and why he was ever removed from suicide watch in the first place. Barr was said to be "livid," and "determined to get to the bottom of this," according to a source familiar with the case.

Barr said in a statement that he was "appalled" to learn Epstein was found dead in his cell while in federal custody.

"In addition to the FBI's investigation, I consulted with the Inspector General who is opening an investigation into the circumstances of Mr. Epstein's death," Barr said in his statement released on Saturday.

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eddie wrote:“An autopsy on Epstein was performed today and the cause and manner of death are pending further information”

Hahahahaha. Righto. They performed an autopsy and couldn’t find the cause or manner.....
Hmmm. More like they need 24 hours to come up with a story.

eddie wrote:It’s all just bullshit smoke and mirrors. Much like a lot of media lies.
And the average person swallows it whole.

Syl wrote:

eddie wrote:It’s all just bullshit smoke and mirrors. Much like a lot of media lies.
And the average person swallows it whole.

Do they? If this forum is an indication of what the average person thinks, I tend to think a good proportion of the population are very cynical about what we are told.

I think there are a lot of 'conspiracy theorists' about....or put another way, people who dont follow hook, line and sinker what the media reports tell us and have their own views of what probably happened.....not that we can do much about it.....but at least we are not fooled.

Maddog wrote:

Syl wrote:

Do they? If this forum is an indication of what the average person thinks, I tend to think a good proportion of the population are very cynical about what we are told.

I think there are a lot of 'conspiracy theorists' about....or put another way, people who dont follow hook, line and sinker what the media reports tell us and have their own views of what probably happened.....not that we can do much about it.....but at least we are not fooled.

Skepticism of the media and government, based on past transgressions, makes good sense.

Skepticism is not the same as conspiracy theories.

Maddog wrote:

Syl wrote:

Do they? If this forum is an indication of what the average person thinks, I tend to think a good proportion of the population are very cynical about what we are told.

I think there are a lot of 'conspiracy theorists' about....or put another way, people who dont follow hook, line and sinker what the media reports tell us and have their own views of what probably happened.....not that we can do much about it.....but at least we are not fooled.

Skepticism of the media and government, based on past transgressions, makes good sense.

Skepticism is not the same as conspiracy theories.

Maddog wrote:

Syl wrote:

Do they? If this forum is an indication of what the average person thinks, I tend to think a good proportion of the population are very cynical about what we are told.

I think there are a lot of 'conspiracy theorists' about....or put another way, people who dont follow hook, line and sinker what the media reports tell us and have their own views of what probably happened.....not that we can do much about it.....but at least we are not fooled.

Skepticism of the media and government, based on past transgressions, makes good sense.

Skepticism is not the same as conspiracy theories.

Syl wrote:Calling someone a conspiracy theorist is just a way to demean them really, a bit like calling someone a racist when they are not....it's a lazy way to label someone who doesn't swallow media stories (or lies)) and speaks out about why they dont believe in what's being peddled.

Syl wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Skepticism of the media and government, based on past transgressions, makes good sense.

Skepticism is not the same as conspiracy theories.

It is if you have your own opinion on what really happened.

Andy wrote:1 bit of bad luck is just that, bad luck.
Twice is negligent.
3 times, conspiracy theorists start talking.
4 times serious questions to anwer
5 times, sounds like murder, sanctioned at the higher echelon of government.
Did Trump request it?

Original Quill wrote:Now we find that the surveillance camera outside Epstein's cell was turned off.  So: 1) taken off suicide watch without reason; 2) placed in a cell with no mate against protocol; 3) guards who were supposed to look in every half-hour, were sleeping and missed 4-5 hours; 4) bones broken atypical of hanging; 5)now, camera not working.

Smells like a dead fish.  This was a FEDERAL PRISON.  Who would be able to make such arrangements in a federal prison?  The first thing that comes to mind is, who is in charge of the federal government?  Whose hand-picked crony is in charge of the Justice Department, which is in charge of the Bureau of Prisons, which is in charge of the Manhattan correctional center?

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:Now we find that the surveillance camera outside Epstein's cell was turned off.  So: 1) taken off suicide watch without reason; 2) placed in a cell with no mate against protocol; 3) guards who were supposed to look in every half-hour, were sleeping and missed 4-5 hours; 4) bones broken atypical of hanging; 5)now, camera not working.

Smells like a dead fish.  This was a FEDERAL PRISON.  Who would be able to make such arrangements in a federal prison?  The first thing that comes to mind is, who is in charge of the federal government?  Whose hand-picked crony is in charge of the Justice Department, which is in charge of the Bureau of Prisons, which is in charge of the Manhattan correctional center?

How do drugs get into federal prison?

nicko wrote:I think he was murdered , he knew too much !

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

How do drugs get into federal prison?

I don't think drugs are relevant to the crime of murder...this crime, anyway.

In general, however, drugs are smuggled in by way of guards looking the wrong way.  But that is the point: this was the highest profile prisoner in the United States.  Only one person could get the guards to look the wrong way on this prisoner.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

I don't think drugs are relevant to the crime of murder...this crime, anyway.

In general, however, drugs are smuggled in by way of guards looking the wrong way.  But that is the point: this was the highest profile prisoner in the United States.  Only one person could get the guards to look the wrong way on this prisoner.

Anyone with enough money can get guards to look the other way.

Maddog wrote:On October 30, 2018, notorious Boston gangster James Joseph "Whitey" Bulger was killed at US Penitentiary Hazelton in Virginia. Bulger was serving a life sentence for his involvement with 11 homicides. He topped the FBI's most wanted list for 16 years until his 2011 arrest. A jury sentenced him in 2013.

Three anonymous people briefed on the prison incident told The Boston Globe that a "fellow inmate with Mafia ties" is responsible for Bulger's passing.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:On October 30, 2018, notorious Boston gangster James Joseph "Whitey" Bulger was killed at US Penitentiary Hazelton in Virginia. Bulger was serving a life sentence for his involvement with 11 homicides. He topped the FBI's most wanted list for 16 years until his 2011 arrest. A jury sentenced him in 2013.

Three anonymous people briefed on the prison incident told The Boston Globe that a "fellow inmate with Mafia ties" is responsible for Bulger's passing.

WHO?  See, most people have never heard of Bulger...and that's still true today.

But everyone knows Trump's pimp for under-aged girls.  Everyone has followed the details.  It would be Trump's Palm Beach pal, Jeffery Epstein.

He would be watched like a hawk, unless orders came down from the highest echelon to rub him out...with assurances that we'll bury the story and you can walk with $$-millions.  (Notice we don't hear the guards' names?)

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

WHO?  See, most people have never heard of Bulger...and that's still true today.

But everyone knows Trump's pimp for under-aged girls.  Everyone has followed the details.  It would be Trump's Palm Beach pal, Jeffery Epstein.

He would be watched like a hawk, unless orders came down from the highest echelon to rub him out...with assurances that we'll bury the story and you can walk with $$-millions.  (Notice we don't hear the guards' names?)

The fact that you don't know who is, is irrelevant.

Hits can get done in federal custody without presidential involvement.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

The fact that you don't know who is, is irrelevant.

Hits can get done in federal custody without presidential involvement.

Not this hit.  Not with the media watching so closely.  Not a hit with so many hurdles that only one person could pull it off.

One of the very camouflages is your exact response.  Lose yourself in never-never land and there's no loose ends.  The Justice Department want's you to lose yourself in the anyone could have done it argument, rather than using common sense, investigative tools, and the narrowing evidence.  Your reasoning is actually the Vogons’ chant: give up, give it up, it's too hard, it's too hard!  That's exactly what they want and expect.

Except for the flack that the Justice Department can throw up, this is otherwise a fairly simple case.  Motive and opportunity ... follow the trail to see who could have orchestrated it.

Even with the Bulger case, they eventually caught the guy.  But here, no one will ever be caught or identified.  Watch … the authorities are only waiting for interest to wane.  They will never make any progress ... the Justice Department will see to that.  They will attempt to make the highly improbable suicide story stick.

Why?  Because there are no loose ends.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Not this hit.  Not with the media watching so closely.  Not a hit with so many hurdles that only one person could pull it off.

One of the very camouflages is your exact response.  Lose yourself in never-never land and there's no loose ends.  The Justice Department want's you to lose yourself in the anyone could have done it argument, rather than using common sense, investigative tools, and the narrowing evidence.  Your reasoning is actually the Vogons’ chant: give up, give it up, it's too hard, it's too hard!  That's exactly what they want and expect.

Except for the flack that the Justice Department can throw up, this is otherwise a fairly simple case.  Motive and opportunity ... follow the trail to see who could have orchestrated it.

Even with the Bulger case, they eventually caught the guy.  But here, no one will ever be caught or identified.  Watch … the authorities are only waiting for interest to wane.  They will never make any progress ... the Justice Department will see to that.  They will attempt to make the highly improbable suicide story stick.

Why?  Because there are no loose ends.

Well I feel better knowing that you are on the case.

eddie wrote:Whomever killed Epstein certainly wasn’t Epstein himself.

Original Quill wrote:

eddie wrote:Whomever killed Epstein certainly wasn’t Epstein himself.

Yes..but they will reject and deflect every other account, because suicide is the only scenario that leaves no loose ends.  

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Well I feel better knowing that you are on the case.

Thank you.  Won't you join me?

eddie wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

eddie wrote:Whomever killed Epstein certainly wasn’t Epstein himself.

Yes..but they will reject and deflect every other account, because suicide is the only scenario that leaves no loose ends.  

Of course, just like many other “big” news stories aka lies.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Well I feel better knowing that you are on the case.

Thank you.  Won't you join me?

Like your deputy?

eddie wrote:Whomever killed Epstein certainly wasn’t Epstein himself.

Maddog wrote:

eddie wrote:Whomever killed Epstein certainly wasn’t Epstein himself.

It's possible. They could have also let him kill himself, based on his own request. He knew he was never getting out.

Might be a fund paying for someone's kid's college education, if you fall asleep at the switch, and get fired.  

It's all very suspect, no doubt.

Ben Reilly wrote:

eddie wrote:

Of course, just like many other “big” news stories aka lies.

On this story, we're still in the early, report-what-officials-say stage. I'm sure many media outlets already have investigative journalists digging into whatever documents they can get, calling up whatever sources they have, to find anything that might contradict the official version of events.