Snap election coming

Just as the economy has dived into the red.
So we could have a recession, a vote of no confidence, a no deal Brexit , a new or different government, and WTO terms that could destroy the economy all with a two week period at the end of October.
I think the description OMNISHAMBOLIC CLUSTERFUCK OF MONUMENTAL PROPORTIONS is pretty fair.
Cummings, Aaron Banks, Farage and Boris stand to make a few bucks from stripping our assets.
No 10 cancels staff leave, hinting at likelihood of snap election

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/09/no-10-cancels-staff-leave-raising-possibility-of-snap-election?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Whatever happens I don't think anything will change, the government of any description will be as useless as the few previous ones and as far as leaders go I see absolutely no one of the calibre we need waiting in the wings.

I am afraid that we are seeing the start of the country's first real constitutional crisis since the abdication of Edward V111 in 1936.

When you have the political and legislative class so evenly divided between a government determined to fulfill the clear result of the 2016 referendum and an opposing side equally determined to overthrow it, I see no other future.

Complicating the matter (if any further complication were needed) is that on one hand we have a statistically weak and discredited government led by one of the most unpredictable Prime Ministers ever known, and on the other a rag-bag of opposition parties now apparently headed by a hard-left, Marxist shadow Chancellor who has openly threatened to drag the Queen and Head of State into direct confrontation with her Prime Minister, and who is courting Scottish and Welsh politicians - and almost certainly Irish Republicans - who will inevitably demand the Dane geld of independence as the price of support.

RIP United Kingdom.

Fred Moletrousers wrote:I am afraid that we are seeing the start of the country's first real constitutional crisis since the abdication of Edward V111 in 1936.

When you have the political and legislative class so evenly divided between a government determined to fulfill the clear result of the 2016 referendum and an opposing side equally determined to overthrow it, I see no other future.

Complicating the matter (if any further complication were needed) is that on one hand we have a statistically weak and discredited government led by one of the most unpredictable Prime Ministers ever known, and on the other a rag-bag of opposition parties now apparently headed by a hard-left, Marxist  shadow Chancellor who has openly threatened to drag the Queen and Head of State into direct confrontation with her Prime Minister, and who is courting Scottish and Welsh politicians - and almost certainly Irish Republicans - who will inevitably demand the Dane geld of independence as the price of support.

RIP United Kingdom.

A very fair summary that, Fred.

I would add that the 'clear result' in itself is anything but. Promises and threats were thrown about on both sides were almost immediately exposed as lies. There was never any vote on the form Brexit would take. It was also used as a desperate attempt by Cameron not to lose voters to UKIP, and when a PM promises such a fundamental decision be handed to the public when he and his government had no conviction they could deliver a result they didn't like, nor believe it was a good decision, then it was always doomed to lead to problems.

I fully agree with your entire second paragraph, and the problem posed by a completely divided parliament.

The problem is unsolvable it seems. The referendum happened, that has to be acknowledged. It's just a shame the shape of Brexit was never explicitly laid out in the first place (and still isn't being). Boris himself is being anything but transparent. He appeared to want no deal earlier this year, now he says he wants a deal. An absolute mess of a man. Corbyn does not fill me with hope either, he appears more and more a desperate opportunist waiting for the government to fail so catastrophically he can swoop in over whatever mess is left.

Eilzel wrote:

Fred Moletrousers wrote:I am afraid that we are seeing the start of the country's first real constitutional crisis since the abdication of Edward V111 in 1936.

When you have the political and legislative class so evenly divided between a government determined to fulfill the clear result of the 2016 referendum and an opposing side equally determined to overthrow it, I see no other future.

Complicating the matter (if any further complication were needed) is that on one hand we have a statistically weak and discredited government led by one of the most unpredictable Prime Ministers ever known, and on the other a rag-bag of opposition parties now apparently headed by a hard-left, Marxist  shadow Chancellor who has openly threatened to drag the Queen and Head of State into direct confrontation with her Prime Minister, and who is courting Scottish and Welsh politicians - and almost certainly Irish Republicans - who will inevitably demand the Dane geld of independence as the price of support.

RIP United Kingdom.

A very fair summary that, Fred.

I would add that the 'clear result' in itself is anything but. Promises and threats were thrown about on both sides were almost immediately exposed as lies. There was never any vote on the form Brexit would take. It was also used as a desperate attempt by Cameron not to lose voters to UKIP, and when a PM promises such a fundamental decision be handed to the public when he and his government had no conviction they could deliver a result they didn't like, nor believe it was a good decision, then it was always doomed to lead to problems.

I fully agree with your entire second paragraph, and the problem posed by a completely divided parliament.

The problem is unsolvable it seems. The referendum happened, that has to be acknowledged. It's just a shame the shape of Brexit was never explicitly laid out in the first place (and still isn't being). Boris himself is being anything but transparent. He appeared to want no deal earlier this year, now he says he wants a deal. An absolute mess of a man. Corbyn does not fill me with hope either, he appears more and more a desperate opportunist waiting for the government to fail so catastrophically he can swoop in over whatever mess is left.

I have to say that I voted for leaving the EU; my exasperation is at the utterly incompetent way in which what should have been an orderly, amicable and mutually advantageous split should have been complicated beyond belief by sheer mismanagement on the UK's part and the intransigence and naked hostility on the part of an undemocratic and unelected EU Commission determined to sabotage the decision pour encourager les autres.

Andy wrote:Just as the economy has dived into the red.
So we could have a recession, a vote of no confidence, a no deal Brexit , a new or different government, and WTO terms that could destroy the economy all with a two week period at the end of October.
I think the description OMNISHAMBOLIC CLUSTERFUCK OF MONUMENTAL PROPORTIONS is pretty fair.
Cummings, Aaron Banks, Farage and Boris stand to make a few bucks from stripping our assets.

No 10 cancels staff leave, hinting at likelihood of snap election

I thought the cancellation of staff leave was to prepare for the horror of a no-deal exit, Andy?
Funny that Theresa spent millions preparing for a no deal, stockpiling essentials, hiring hundreds of extra civil servants, etc. It all came to nothing ……. squillions of ££'s down the drain.

Fred Moletrousers wrote:.......who is courting Scottish and Welsh politicians - and almost certainly Irish Republicans - who will inevitably demand
the Dane geld of independence as the price of support.
RIP United Kingdom.

The backstop alone could trigger the breakup of the UK. 
We don't need Corbyn's help for that.

We are better together, why anyone thinks otherwise I don't know. I would like to see a more equal partnership all around though. There are regions that are and have been poorly served, other areas seem to get the majority of opportunities and cash imput, while others that generated wealth, for the gentry and the country, are now practically abandoned to their fate.

Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

A very fair summary that, Fred.

I would add that the 'clear result' in itself is anything but. Promises and threats were thrown about on both sides were almost immediately exposed as lies. There was never any vote on the form Brexit would take. It was also used as a desperate attempt by Cameron not to lose voters to UKIP, and when a PM promises such a fundamental decision be handed to the public when he and his government had no conviction they could deliver a result they didn't like, nor believe it was a good decision, then it was always doomed to lead to problems.

I fully agree with your entire second paragraph, and the problem posed by a completely divided parliament.

The problem is unsolvable it seems. The referendum happened, that has to be acknowledged. It's just a shame the shape of Brexit was never explicitly laid out in the first place (and still isn't being). Boris himself is being anything but transparent. He appeared to want no deal earlier this year, now he says he wants a deal. An absolute mess of a man. Corbyn does not fill me with hope either, he appears more and more a desperate opportunist waiting for the government to fail so catastrophically he can swoop in over whatever mess is left.

I have to say that I voted for leaving the EU; my exasperation is at the utterly incompetent way in which what should have been an orderly, amicable and mutually advantageous split should have been complicated beyond belief by sheer mismanagement on the UK's part and the intransigence and naked hostility on the part of an undemocratic and unelected EU Commission determined to sabotage the decision pour encourager les autres.

I wish I had written that....

Me too.
I can't understand why this whole thing needs to be contentious, surely as, supposedly at least, we are reasonable, developed countries we could have come to a mutually beneficial agreement, we will still trade with each other, we surely need to co operate on security and terrorism obviously we won't have the advantages of membership.

Vintage wrote:We are better together, why anyone thinks otherwise I don't know. I would like to see a more equal partnership all around though. There are regions that are and have been poorly served, other areas seem to get the majority of opportunities and cash imput, while others that generated wealth, for the gentry and the country, are now practically abandoned to their fate.

But that doesn't extend beyond the UK apparently

A political union of 28 and more countries doesn't appeal to me - no.
A union of fairly like minded countries who trade and co operate freely
with similar standards of trade, policing etc does.

Vintage wrote:We are better together, why anyone thinks otherwise I don't know. I would like to see a more equal partnership all around though. There are regions that are and have been poorly served, other areas seem to get the majority of opportunities and cash imput, while others that generated wealth, for the gentry and the country, are now practically abandoned to their fate.

You nicked the slogan of the Remainers! Give it back!

oh ok its all yours.

Eilzel wrote:

Vintage wrote:We are better together, why anyone thinks otherwise I don't know. I would like to see a more equal partnership all around though. There are regions that are and have been poorly served, other areas seem to get the majority of opportunities and cash imput, while others that generated wealth, for the gentry and the country, are now practically abandoned to their fate.

But that doesn't extend beyond the UK apparently

We can trade with the eu without being run by the eu!

It's quite simple!

Tariffs

But no longer paying the EU £18 billion a year... no longer being politically dictated to by the EU... no longer having our fishing waters rinsed out by foreign trawlers... restoration of democracy...


And money collected in tariffs here, no longer get sent to the eu.. but go into our govt coffers!

You are in for a huge shock.

I hope Aldi and Lidl stock humble pie. You will be eating plenty.

All you remoaners eat is sour grapes!!!


I only buy british food wherever possible... no tariffs on any of that anyway... so...

Also... if some foods that are imported from eu, like french cheese or Italian ham etc, suddenly get more expensive, then I and most other people will just stop buying them and buy more british produce instead... good news for uk food producers... bad news for eu food producers...


So... it is in the interests of the eu to come to their senses and work out a totally tariff based deal and stop trying to keep us being tied in to being shackled as a subservient rule taker under eu control...


We are leaving the eu... we want to trade with the eu... nothing more.


If they want to keep playing silly buggers then it will hurt them much more than us... and the eu nations that suffer because of their obstinacy will not take it lying down... they will be banging on the doors of the eu and calling for it to be disbanded!!!

The EU and pro eu cheerleaders have always claimed that the eu is only about trade... so... now that we want to have a relationship with them that is only about trade and leave the rest of the bullshit behind... it is puzzling to me that the eu find it impossible to come to a simple deal that really is only about trade...!?


The eu trades with plenty of other countries without demanding all the take over of control over their laws and borders and fishing waters etc... so why cant we just do only trade with them without them demanding all the rest of the shit that we don't want or need...!!!???

Run away andy has... erm... run away again ..

Remember ,Tariffs are a two way thing !

nicko wrote:Remember ,Tariffs are a two way thing !

They certainly are!!

We can make sure 27 countries have to pay tariffs to ONE close trading partner (and not even the single closest for most of them). They can make sure we have to pay tariffs when exporting to 27 of our closEST trading partners.

Sounds like a real intelligent way to think about trade

Tommy Monk wrote:


The EU and pro eu cheerleaders have always claimed that the eu is only about trade... so... now that we want to have a relationship with them that is only about trade and leave the rest of the bullshit behind... it is puzzling to me that the eu find it impossible to come to a simple deal that really is only about trade...!?


The eu trades with plenty of other countries without demanding all the take over of control over their laws and borders and fishing waters etc... so why cant we just do only trade with them without them demanding all the rest of the shit that we don't want or need...!!!???

It is only in the past few years that the effective executive government of the EU, the unelected appointee Commissioners, have spoken more openly about their real principle aim, and that is ever-closer union. For which read "the United States of Europe."

Why does anyone think that they appointed a de facto (and, naturally, unelected) Foreign Minister, or so actively promoted the idea of an EU army were it not for the intention for the individual and sovereign member states to be dragged into a system of governance similar to, and perhaps even rivaling, that of the United States of America.

This country originally joined the EU when it was called the Common Market...have any of us been asked at any time since then whether we wish to become citizens of a United States of Europe, saluting a blue flag with gold stars and standing to attention to sing Beethoven's Ode to Joy?

Have we hell.

Eilzel wrote:

nicko wrote:Remember ,Tariffs are a two way thing !

They certainly are!!

We can make sure 27 countries have to pay tariffs to ONE close trading partner (and not even the single closest for most of them). They can make sure we have to pay tariffs when exporting to 27 of our closEST trading partners.

Sounds like a real intelligent way to think about trade

Doesn't really matter... the eu has tariffs as do other countries...


And like I said earlier... we currently collect tariffs on imports, which the uk consumer ultimately pays in higher prices, only for all that money to be sent to the eu...

Once we are properly out... we keep the tariff money ourselves, we can choose to set different tariffs as we please with other countries, and we no longer pay 18 billion a year to the eu either...


But the most important thing is that democracy is restored and we can then vote against privatisation of public services and will no longer be forced to privatise public services under eu procurement rules...


Our fishing waters will be back under our control... as will our borders, so we can stop foreign criminals coming here and get rid of undesirable, as well as end to free movement mass immigration...!

Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


The EU and pro eu cheerleaders have always claimed that the eu is only about trade... so... now that we want to have a relationship with them that is only about trade and leave the rest of the bullshit behind... it is puzzling to me that the eu find it impossible to come to a simple deal that really is only about trade...!?


The eu trades with plenty of other countries without demanding all the take over of control over their laws and borders and fishing waters etc... so why cant we just do only trade with them without them demanding all the rest of the shit that we don't want or need...!!!???

It is only in the past few years that the effective executive government of the EU, the unelected appointee Commissioners, have spoken more openly about their real principle aim, and that is ever-closer union. For which read "the United States of Europe."

Why does anyone think that they appointed a de facto (and, naturally, unelected) Foreign Minister, or so actively promoted the idea of an EU army were it not for the intention for the individual and sovereign member states to be dragged into a system of governance similar to, and perhaps even rivaling, that of the United States of America.

This country originally joined the EU when it was called the Common Market...have any of us been asked at any time since then whether we wish to become citizens of a United States of Europe, saluting a blue flag with gold stars and standing to attention to sing Beethoven's Ode to Joy?

Have we hell.

Yes... after decades of being told that each new treaty signing more and more of our country away, was just an ammendingvtreaty that tidied up loose ends etc, and didn't really mean anything... plus the numerous promises by lib lab and con that we would get a say in a referendum, only for each to then refuse to give us a say in referendum... to the actual chance we did get for a say in 2016, only for us to have voted out only to have half of parliament spending the last 3 years refusing to abide by the result to leave and trying their damndest to keep us in the blasted thing!!!


Treacherous bastards!!!

Predicted this on 9th August. Seems it will come true if the Brexit conservative rebels hold their nerve.
14th October.
Bring it on
..And how amusing to watch the rw press in full pit bull mode at Labour, because of the guts of Conservative MP's putting country before personal ambition.
The Fail, Scum and Express are nearly imploding with wrath at Corbyn, so many fake stories, lies and smears.
Boris is floundering at his Bridge game, holding a weak hand. He cannot bluff, bluster and bullshit for too much longer.
Labour may get 25%
Lib Dems may get 20%
But the Conservative and Brexit votes will be shared, so do not rule out a Labour government, supported by the Libs and Greens.

Andy wrote:Predicted this on 9th August. Seems it will come true if the Brexit conservative rebels hold their nerve.
14th October.
Bring it on
..And how amusing to watch the rw press in full pit bull mode at Labour, because of the guts of Conservative MP's putting country before personal ambition.
The Fail, Scum and Express are nearly imploding with wrath at Corbyn, so many fake stories, lies and smears.
Boris is floundering at his Bridge game, holding a weak hand. He cannot bluff, bluster and bullshit for too much longer.
Labour may get 25%
Lib Dems may get 20%
But the Conservative and Brexit votes will be shared, so do not rule out a  Labour government, supported by the Libs and Greens.

Will those Tory MPs continue putting the country first now Boris has threatened an election? If they think opposing No Deal might lead to them losing their seat in the immediate future, will they still do it?

So Andy, not content with licking the arse of Labour, you now want to lick the arse of the EU, and you have the fucking cheek to use the symbol of our fight for freedom [Spitfires] as your Avatar. Two faced bloody hypocrite

No answer to that Andy Pandy ?

Stop bleating Rambo. Your preferred 'politician' is still serving time, yet again, at her Majesties pleasure.
Fuck me, you are getting cantankerous in I old age.
I am chilling out, eating a huge pastie and quaffing tea from the West Cornwall Food Co in Winchester high street.
Great food and beautiful high street and cathedral.
You need to get offline more and get out more.
Things under Herr Boris are gonna get harsher.

Ps my avatar is a symbol of the British defeat of the far right across Europe. A group you appear to have an affinity to.
I thought we as Brits learnt hard lesson in WW2. Apparently a few haven't.

Britain no longer has an Empire, we fought the far right to have peace in Europe.
You want a little Britain to stand alone against the rest of Europe.
Only idiots cannot see the futility of that.

Andy wrote:Stop bleating Rambo. Your preferred 'politician' is still serving time, yet again, at her Majesties pleasure.
Fuck me, you are getting cantankerous in I old age.
I am chilling out, eating a huge pastie and quaffing tea from the West Cornwall Food Co in Winchester high street.
Great food and beautiful high street and cathedral.
You need to get offline more and get out more.
Things under Herr Boris are gonna get harsher.

Ps my avatar is a symbol of the British defeat of the far right across Europe. A group you appear to have an affinity to.
I thought we as Brits learnt hard lesson in WW2. Apparently a few haven't.

Britain no longer has an Empire, we fought the far right to  have peace in Europe.
You want a little Britain to stand alone against the rest of Europe.
Only idiots cannot see the futility of that.

why against the rest of Europe, Andy

no one said we were against Europe in any way

we can co operate with them and have good relations with Europe - we just want out of the controlling EU

how is that far right?

Don't you watch the news Geli?
The far right is on the move, in Germany, Austria, Hungary, Poland, Italy, and even here in the UK.
But because most of the press in the UK is owned by rw billionaires, it doesn't get much publicity.

Andy wrote:Don't you watch the news Geli?
The far right is on the move, in Germany, Austria, Hungary, Poland, Italy, and even here in the UK.
But because most of the press in the UK is owned by rw billionaires, it doesn't get much publicity.

but you were talking about here in the UK, Andy

how is wanting to leave a corrupt dictatorship like the EU far right?

it doesn't make any sense

He doesn't make sense most of the time, he's a raving Lefty who hates Britain and wants to see it ruled by Communists like his hero Corbin . Why he doesn't piss off to Brussels ? he's certainly no English man !

And Boris isn't acting like a corrupt dictator?

If Corbin gets to be PM, then you'll see a Dictator !

Andy wrote:And Boris isn't acting like a corrupt dictator?

personally, i think they're all corrupt and every single one of them would be a dictator given half a chance

i still don't get why wanting out of the EU is far right though

It's not far right Gelico , it's wanting to make our own decisions on how our country is run, years ago we voted to join the Common Market and that's all we voted for, a trade deal .Over the years the Eu has turned into a monster, devouring countries left, right and centre and wanting to bring about a United States of Europe. I am British and do not want to be a part of it, any one who does is a Traitor to all the men and Women who died to keep us free and now want to meekly hand control over to unelected men in Brussels !

It's not far right Gelico , it's wanting to make our own decisions on how our country is run, years ago we voted to join the Common Market and that's all we voted for, a trade deal .Over the years the Eu has turned into a monster, devouring countries left, right and centre and wanting to bring about a United States of Europe. I am British and do not want to be a part of it, any one who does is a Traitor to all the men and Women who died to keep us free and now want to meekly hand control over to unelected men in Brussels !

Unelected power moguls like Dominic Cummings?

1-0, 1-0, 1-0!

Boris has taken a chance,
But Corbyn to his tune will not dance
The posh boy looks like a muppet
Whilst Corbyn won't act like a puppet
And his reputation continues to enhance.

One of the best paragraphs in today's press- from the Independent.


"From this point on, Johnson was a wobbling mess. He stood at the despatch box, swaying, rotating, gesticulating, hoping, perhaps even believing, that his own anaphylactic bloviation might paper over the cracks of his tower of lies as it collapsed around him."
Brilliant journalism.

Boris stated today that the 21 Tories who voted against him will be "purged" from the party (why couldn't that toffee-nosed twat say "expelled" or simply "kicked out" ?).

Not only swelling the cross-benches even further by the day, but in the process becoming more-and-more of a "minority" gov't..

Nicko, Fred, Victor and smelly' may well find themselves "manning the barricades" in the next few weeks.

Fred will be busy typing his vitriolic anti Corbyn column in the East Swaffham and Sandringham Bugle, whilst Rambo will be polishing his boots and colt revolver to kill any remainers that ballot at his front door.
Vic will be busy buying Vaseline to grease the palm of his idol Dom Cummings, whilst Stench gets awoken at 0600 by his prison warden.