More lies from the climate change loons

fonken wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Is it actually getting hotter? Remember 1976? That was a very hot summer.

It feels hotter to me these days in summer, but then the building where I work seems to retain the heat, and also I think that I might feel the heat more now that I'm older.

As for flooding, haven't we always had that?

I do think it's a great idea to cut down on pollution, plastics, and packaging - it's horrible to see how much waste there is and where it ends up.

Finally, I think that fonken can speak for himself/herself, and there's no need for anyone to start slagging off current members to him/her when he/she has only been here five minutes.

You ask Is flooding increasing with temperature rising?

The answer is a bit more complicated than a simple yes or No.

A warmer atmosphere holds more moisture That doesn’t automatically mean more heavy rainfall because complex weather patterns govern the amount, timing and distribution of rainfall. But it does mean that with more water in the atmosphere, the volume of rainfall may increase when it does pour.

But Attributing specific events to climate change is tricky, and flooding is no exception.

Flooding occurs where heavy rainfall can’t be absorb into the ground or drain away, this is exasperated by Changes in land use, such as building houses on flood plains and paving over natural surfaces, this is making people more vulnerable to flooding.but it’s hard to be more specific than that

Raggamuffin wrote:

phildidge wrote:


1) Where did i state that? never did, your words, not mine

2) You spoke about flooding in the past. What relevance does your point have to todays levels of flooding?

3. I will say as I please no matter how much you are desperate to attempt to silence people.

Clearly, if there's always been flooding, things aren't necessarily getting worse.

phildidge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Clearly, if there's always been flooding, things aren't necessarily getting worse.

Really? Based on what reasoning.???

For example heavy rains and flooding have increased 50% in the last decade.

Hence if there is an increase in these factors than in the past and it correlates with climate change. Then clearly it shows evidence of things gettering worse.

Raggamuffin wrote:

phildidge wrote:


Really? Based on what reasoning.???

For example heavy rains and flooding have increased 50% in the last decade.

Hence if there is an increase in these factors than in the past and it correlates with climate change. Then clearly it shows evidence of things gettering worse.

Based on the reasoning that if flooding has always happened and isn't worse now, then things aren't getting worse - obviously. If you say that flooding has increased, that's fine. It's a pity you didn't just say that in the first place. Some evidence would be nice.

Raggamuffin wrote:

fonken wrote:
You ask Is flooding increasing with temperature rising?

The answer is a bit more complicated than a simple yes or No.

A warmer atmosphere holds more moisture That doesn’t automatically mean more heavy rainfall because complex weather patterns govern the amount, timing and distribution of rainfall. But it does mean that with more water in the atmosphere, the volume of rainfall may increase when it does pour.

But Attributing specific events to climate change is tricky, and flooding is no exception.

Flooding occurs where heavy rainfall can’t be absorb into the ground or drain away, this is exasperated by Changes in land use, such as building houses on flood plains and paving over natural surfaces, this is making people more vulnerable to flooding.but it’s hard to be more specific than that

It was actually Didge who asked that question, but thank you for your reply anyway. Aren't ice caps supposed to be melting, which will increase flooding?

A lot of people do concrete over their front gardens these days to give them somewhere to park. Someone down the road from me did that, but all the rain water ran down towards their house so they changed it back to grass.

phildidge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Based on the reasoning that if flooding has always happened and isn't worse now, then things aren't getting worse - obviously. If you say that flooding has increased, that's fine. It's a pity you didn't just say that in the first place. Some evidence would be nice.

The above does not make any sense when you are not presenting the past with the present.
I went off your view about flooding in the past, when you provided no reasoning around your point
It was an open ended statement, basically meaningless

Raggamuffin wrote:

phildidge wrote:


The above does not make any sense when you are not presenting the past with the present.
I went off your view about flooding in the past, when you provided no reasoning around your point
It was an open ended statement, basically meaningless

If you can't provide evidence, just say so rather than spout a load of gibberish about my post. Has flooding got worse or hasn't it?

fonken wrote:

You ask Is flooding increasing with temperature rising?

The answer is a bit more complicated than a simple yes or No.

A warmer atmosphere holds more moisture That doesn’t automatically mean more heavy rainfall because complex weather patterns govern the amount, timing and distribution of rainfall. But it does mean that with more water in the atmosphere, the volume of rainfall may increase when it does pour.

But Attributing specific events to climate change is tricky, and flooding is no exception.

Flooding occurs where heavy rainfall can’t be absorb into the ground or drain away, this is exasperated by Changes in land use, such as building houses on flood plains and paving over natural surfaces, this is making people more vulnerable to flooding.but it’s hard to be more specific than that

Raggamuffin wrote:fonken this, fonken that. Didge, are you that desperate for a new mate?

Raggamuffin wrote:fonken this, fonken that. Didge, are you that desperate for a new mate?

phildidge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

If you can't provide evidence, just say so rather than spout a load of gibberish about my post. Has flooding got worse or hasn't it?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/mar/21/flooding-and-heavy-rains-rise-50-worldwide-in-a-decade-figures-show

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/climate-change-and-extreme-weather/

The point is Rags your post was open ended without anything to back your view around the past with flooding. You simple took a stance on this, without any data.

Tommy Monk wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:fonken this, fonken that. Didge, are you that desperate for a new mate?

Most amusing!




By the way Raggs... what is your sig about?

phildidge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:fonken this, fonken that. Didge, are you that desperate for a new mate?

Who needs friends when I have you being chairwoman of the hate phildidge fan club  Rags?  

Seriously, this shows you just jumped in, to act like a toddler

If praising people for interesting posts which Tommy cannot answer bothers you. It says more about you than it does about me

As why are you so bothered Rags?

Lacking attention again?

Anyway have a nice day and keep hating, its what you do best  

Laters

fonken wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It was actually Didge who asked that question, but thank you for your reply anyway. Aren't ice caps supposed to be melting, which will increase flooding?

A lot of people do concrete over their front gardens these days to give them somewhere to park. Someone down the road from me did that, but all the rain water ran down towards their house so they changed it back to grass.

Yes the ice caps are melting ,Greenland's massive ice sheet is experiencing one of its biggest melting events on record, losing some 11 billion tons of ice in a 24-hour period. And as that affects sea level, so a increase in coastal flooding is inevitable

Raggamuffin wrote:

phildidge wrote:


Who needs friends when I have you being chairwoman of the hate phildidge fan club  Rags?  

Seriously, this shows you just jumped in, to act like a toddler

If praising people for interesting posts which Tommy cannot answer bothers you. It says more about you than it does about me

As why are you so bothered Rags?

Lacking attention again?

Anyway have a nice day and keep hating, its what you do best  

Laters

You do have a tendency towards hero worship Didge. It's a sign of low self-confidence.

Raggamuffin wrote:Stay on topic Didge - this is an interesting subject.

Tommy Monk wrote:

phildidge wrote:


So why present the graph when it does not show data past 1950 and is an old ice core. When there has been many since?

I have provided you with more up to date data on this

https://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-what-greenland-ice-cores-say-about-past-and-present-climate-change

So what is the point of your graph? Does it change the fact humans are creating climate change?

We know what caused this in the past, so what relevance does your graph have?

Then when you have answered me, I suggest you go back and respond to fonken points. The ones you completely avoided

We know what has happened since 1950... in fact the warming has only been about 0.7 degrees C over the last 100 or so years...

Bullshit...

And given that we have come out of the cold period known as the "mini ice age"... you would expect it to be warmer now than it was a couple hundred years ago...

Double the bullshit lies..

There never was a genuine global 'mini ice age', to start with.

In fact... we are just getting back to the long term normal warm temperatures that we had for most of the last 10000 years, before we entered into the cold period known as the "mini ice age"...

Even more lying bullshit..

And zero evidence to support your lying garbage...

Raggamuffin wrote:

phildidge wrote:


https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/mar/21/flooding-and-heavy-rains-rise-50-worldwide-in-a-decade-figures-show

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/climate-change-and-extreme-weather/

The point is Rags your post was open ended without anything to back your view around the past with flooding. You simple took a stance on this, without any data.

That's because it was a question ... I didn't take any stance on it.

Raggamuffin wrote:

fonken wrote:
Yes the ice caps are melting ,Greenland's massive ice sheet is experiencing one of its biggest melting events on record, losing some 11 billion tons of ice in a 24-hour period. And as that affects sea level, so a increase in coastal flooding is inevitable

Have they melted before?

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


We know what has happened since 1950... in fact the warming has only been about 0.7 degrees C over the last 100 or so years...

Bullshit...

And given that we have come out of the cold period known as the "mini ice age"... you would expect it to be warmer now than it was a couple hundred years ago...

Double the bullshit lies..

There never was a genuine global 'mini ice age', to start with.

In fact... we are just getting back to the long term normal warm temperatures that we had for most of the last 10000 years, before we entered into the cold period known as the "mini ice age"...

Even more lying bullshit..

And zero evidence to support your lying garbage...

phildidge wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


We know what has happened since 1950... in fact the warming has only been about 0.7 degrees C over the last 100 or so years...


And given that we have come out of the cold period known as the "mini ice age"... you would expect it to be warmer now than it was a couple hundred years ago...


In fact... we are just getting back to the long term normal warm temperatures that we had for most of the last 10000 years, before we entered into the cold period known as the "mini ice age"...

Where is your evidence to back up the above claims?

You are claiming such tempretures in the past were some how a good thing. When we see extinctions?

Come again?

Again how does any of the above dispute the fact humans are causing climate change at an alarming rate?

Which we are witnessing the effects of?

The reality is you need to show humans are not cuasing claimate change and its not a potential problem

You have always failed to do that

phildidge wrote:

phildidge wrote:


Where is your evidence to back up the above claims?

You are claiming such tempretures in the past were some how a good thing. When we see extinctions?

Come again?

Again how does any of the above dispute the fact humans are causing climate change at an alarming rate?

Which we are witnessing the effects of?

The reality is you need to show humans are not cuasing claimate change and its not a potential problem

You have always failed to do that

phildidge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Stay on topic Didge - this is an interesting subject.

It is, so stop spoiling this with childish antics Rags. It was fine until you jumped in acting childish

Now hope you have a nice day

phildidge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

That's because it was a question ... I didn't take any stance on it.

Then what was the point of your question about flooding in the past?

When you make no point on this?

It seems to me you were trying to downplay problems, by asking whether we have had flooding in the past

When you offered up no comparrisons

Raggamuffin wrote:

phildidge wrote:

It is, so stop spoiling this with childish antics Rags. It was fine until you jumped in acting childish

Now hope you have a nice day

There you go again - blaming someone else for your own behaviour. Don't be so childish.

phildidge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

There you go again - blaming someone else for your own behaviour. Don't be so childish.

The only person who is continually acting like Nellie Oleson is you rags.



As to your question on flooding, why did you then engage with me on this?

Never mind Nellie, all the best  

Is flooding increasing with tempreture rising?

Raggamuffin wrote:

phildidge wrote:

The only person who is continually acting like Nellie Oleson is you rags.



As to your question on flooding, why did you then engage with me on this?

Never mind Nellie, all the best  

You asked a question in response to my question.

Is flooding increasing with tempreture rising?

I thought maybe you knew something, but your subsequent posts showed you did not, so I didn't expect you to answer my question. You're more interested in trolling Tommy.

Raggamuffin wrote:Is it actually getting hotter? Remember 1976? That was a very hot summer.

It feels hotter to me these days in summer, but then the building where I work seems to retain the heat, and also I think that I might feel the heat more now that I'm older.

As for flooding, haven't we always had that?

I do think it's a great idea to cut down on pollution, plastics, and packaging - it's horrible to see how much waste there is and where it ends up.

Finally, I think that fonken can speak for himself/herself, and there's no need for anyone to start slagging off current members to him/her when he/she has only been here five minutes.

Tommy Monk wrote:

The mini ice age is well documented... and seen in the GISP2 Antarctic ice core study too... which is the other side of the world... so a global cool period!


And...


According to a continuous study conducted by the NASA's Goddard institute, the Earth'saverage global temperature has risen by 0.8 degrees Celsius or 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit since 1880. Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, the thermometer readings have risencontinuously.21 Oct 2014


But we know the goddard institute have been caught out adjusting the data to exaggerate the amount of warming that they claim...

Plus... the old temp records are more inaccurate and less comprehensive in number of locations data is collected from, the further back in time the records go back...


And let's not forget... "since records began" is only about 150 years anyway... when we started coming out of the mini ice age period... so of course it's going to be a bit warmer now than then as we get back to what is the longer term normal warmer temps that we should be having!!!


Look at the data on graph over the last 10000 years!!!


It's mostly as warm or warmer than it is now!!!


Use your common sense!!!

phildidge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You asked a question in response to my question.



I thought maybe you knew something, but your subsequent posts showed you did not, so I didn't expect you to answer my question. You're more interested in trolling Tommy.

Your question was based on a view about the past, as if the flooding of the past. Meant flooding happened today without any view of climate change

Hence why place such a question? When you were taken to task on this, you clearly backtracked, as you did not know yourself. 

I know more than Nellie Oleson that is for sure

phildidge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Is it actually getting hotter? Remember 1976? That was a very hot summer.

It feels hotter to me these days in summer, but then the building where I work seems to retain the heat, and also I think that I might feel the heat more now that I'm older.

As for flooding, haven't we always had that?

I do think it's a great idea to cut down on pollution, plastics, and packaging - it's horrible to see how much waste there is and where it ends up.

Finally, I think that fonken can speak for himself/herself, and there's no need for anyone to start slagging off current members to him/her when he/she has only been here five minutes.

Just wanted to prove how dishonest Nellie is being

She started with the is it really getting hotter?

Hence implying she questions whether it is and backs this up with a view that maybe this is down to her getting older and not anything on any data

She then says as for flooding, haven't we always had that?

Again implying that this does not mean climate change

Once you follow the pattern of what nellie said, its easy to see past the utter bullshit she makes

we know its actually getting hotter, through date, so why question this based off how you feel compared to 1976 and now with age?

That is hardly a standard to test the warming of tempretures is it Rags?

So please do not try to pull the wool over peoples eyes Nellie, you are not fooling anyone

Now not going to waste my time with such a petulant brat any further

You can continue to whinge and moan all you like about me, as you have from the start jumping in starting causing trouble eand guess what. You got what you asked for and i rrepaind in kind. Someone standing up to your childish antics



Now please conrtinue to sulk, and piss and moan. Its what you do best

Laters

Andy wrote:Not sure Didge IS trolling.
Raggs is desperate to defend her bestest chum and fellow man made climate change denyer, but their position is hopeless when confronted with the massive scientific evidence from the world's leading climate scientists.
Raggs and Toms arguement is she feels old and cold and he read it in Climate change denying Monthly magazine, sponsored by the fossil.fuel industry.

Andy wrote:Not sure Didge IS trolling.
Raggs is desperate to defend her bestest chum and fellow man made climate change denyer, but their position is hopeless when confronted with the massive scientific evidence from the world's leading climate scientists.
Raggs and Toms arguement is she feels old and cold and he read it in Climate change denying Monthly magazine, sponsored by the fossil.fuel industry.

phildidge wrote:

Andy wrote:Not sure Didge IS trolling.
Raggs is desperate to defend her bestest chum and fellow man made climate change denyer, but their position is hopeless when confronted with the massive scientific evidence from the world's leading climate scientists.
Raggs and Toms arguement is she feels old and cold and he read it in Climate change denying Monthly magazine, sponsored by the fossil.fuel industry.

100% agree, have a green

Raggamuffin wrote:

phildidge wrote:

100% agree, have a green

Have a red for sucking up to someone who's only slagging off other members.

Andy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Have a red for sucking up to someone who's only slagging off other members.

I will take reds from you and Tommy any time.
They are a badge of honour.
I'm sure Didge would, too.

Raggamuffin wrote:

phildidge wrote:

100% agree, have a green

Have a red for sucking up to someone who's only slagging off other members.

Andy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Have a red for sucking up to someone who's only slagging off other members.

I will take reds from you and Tommy any time.
They are a badge of honour.
I'm sure Didge would, too.

fonken wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

fonken wrote:
Yes the ice caps are melting ,Greenland's massive ice sheet is experiencing one of its biggest melting events on record, losing some 11 billion tons of ice in a 24-hour period. And as that affects sea level, so a increase in coastal flooding is inevitable

Have they melted before?

I think that's is something you should research yourself.
You will get far more information, that is peer reviewed and correctly and logically presented ,with reference's to the underlying data that way.

Let me know what you find out.

Andy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Have a red for sucking up to someone who's only slagging off other members.

I will take reds from you and Tommy any time.
They are a badge of honour.
I'm sure Didge would, too.

Tommy Monk wrote:

The mini ice age is well documented... and seen in the GISP2 data as well as the Vostock Antarctic ice core study too... which is the other side of the world... so a global cool period!


And...


According to a continuous study conducted by the NASA's Goddard institute, the Earth'saverage global temperature has risen by 0.8 degrees Celsius or 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit since 1880. Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, the thermometer readings have risencontinuously.21 Oct 2014


But we know the goddard institute have been caught out adjusting the data to exaggerate the amount of warming that they claim...

Plus... the old temp records are more inaccurate and less comprehensive in number of locations data is collected from, the further back in time the records go back...


And let's not forget... "since records began" is only about 150 years anyway... when we started coming out of the mini ice age period... so of course it's going to be a bit warmer now than then as we get back to what is the longer term normal warmer temps that we should be having!!!


Look at the data on graph over the last 10000 years!!!


It's mostly as warm or warmer than it is now!!!


Use your common sense!!!