More lies from the climate change loons - death of a glacier

by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:06 am

Death of a glacier...

"...Mourners have gathered in Iceland to commemorate the loss of Okjokull, which has died at the age of about 700. The glacier was officially declared dead in 2014 when it was no longer thick enough to move. What once was glacier has been reduced to a small patch of ice atop a volcano..."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49345912

by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:54 am

Anybody...!?

lol!

by Ben Reilly Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:08 am

Um... what.

by 'Wolfie Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:37 am

Tommy's the only "loon" on here in regard to climate change, since poor ol' smelly's self-exile...

I can't even be bothered responding properly to Tommy's ever-expanding ignorance these days..

by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:40 pm

Well... the loons and gullible fools are making a big song and dance about the 'death's of this glacier...

But the thing is... they are also saying it is only about 700 years old...!!!

Which, for the slow thinkers here, means it must have been warmer 700 years ago before the glacier even existed!!!

And funnily enough... if you look at the ice core studies as well as look at the other historical evidence that we have... you will see that the mini ice age started about 700 years ago when this glacier came into existence... ie, when it became unusually cold enough for it to exist.. and now that we have started to return to more normal long term warner temps, the glacier disappears again!!!

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by Guest Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:46 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

Well... the loons and gullible fools are making a big song and dance about the 'death's of this glacier...

But the thing is... they are also saying it is only about 700 years old...!!!

Which, for the slow thinkers here, means it must have been warmer 700 years ago before the glacier even existed!!!

And funnily enough... if you look at the ice core studies as well as look at the other historical evidence that we have... you will see that the mini ice age started about 700 years ago when this glacier came into existence... ie, when it became unusually cold enough for it to exist.. and now that we have started to return to more normal long term warner temps, the glacier disappears again!!!

A misleading graph purporting to show that past changes in Greenland’s temperatures dwarf modern climate change has been circling the internet since at least 2010.
Based on an early Greenland ice core record produced back in 1997, versions of the graph have, variously, mislabeled the x-axis, excluded the modern observational temperature record and conflated a single location in Greenland with the whole world.
More recently, researchers have drilled numerous additional ice cores throughout Greenland and produced an updated estimate past Greenland temperatures.
This modern temperature reconstruction, combined with observational records over the past century, shows that current temperatures in Greenland are warmer than any period in the past 2,000 years. That said, they are likely still cooler than during the early part of the current geological epoch – the Holocene – which started around 11,000 years ago.
However, warming is expected to continue in the future as human actions continue to emit greenhouse gases, primarily from the combustion of fossil fuels.
Climate models project that if emissions continue, by 2050, Greenland temperatures will exceed anything seen since the last interglacial period, around 125,000 years ago.

Ice cores as climate ‘proxies’

Widespread thermometer measurements of temperatures only extend back to the mid-1700s. Scientists investigating how temperatures have changed prior to the invention of thermometers need to rely on a variety of climate “proxies”, which are correlated with temperature and can be used to infer, with some uncertainties, how it has changed in the past.

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An ice core from Greenland is prepared for cutting at the National Ice Core Laboratory. Credit: Jim West / Alamy Stock Photo.

Climate proxies can be obtained from sources, such as tree rings, ice cores, fossil pollen, ocean sediments and corals. Ice cores are one of the best available climate proxies, providing a fairly high-resolution estimate of climate changes into the past.
Since scientists cannot directly measure temperatures from ice cores, they have to rely on measuring the oxygen isotope – 18O – which is correlated with temperature, but imperfectly so.

Odyssey of errors

A temperature reconstruction using the Greenland Ice Sheet Project 2 (“GISP2”) ice core was first published by Prof Kurt Cuffey and Dr Gary Clow in a 1997 paper published in the Journal of Geophysical Research: Oceans. Prof Richard Alley of Penn State University also used the record in a 2000 paper. Neither of these papers provided a comparison of GISP2 record with current conditions, as the uncertainties in the ice core proxy reconstruction were too large and the proxy record only extended back to 1855.
The GISP2 ice core record was used in a number of papers in the late 1990s and 2000s that examined changes over the last ice age and the start of the current warm era – the Holocene – around 11,000 years ago. Around 2009, it caught the attention of Dr J Storrs Hall of the Foresight Institute, a technology-focused nonprofit group, who wrote a blog post suggesting that it disproved the idea that “human-emitted CO2 is the only thing that could account for the recent warming trend”.
That post was republished on a climate sceptic blog called Watts Up With That, which followed up with its own version of a GISP2 graph in late 2010 by Dr Don Easterbrook, an emeritus professor of geology at the Western Washington University. Easterbrook’s graph, shown below, was shared widely across the internet by climate sceptics and is still frequently seen – with many small variations – to this day in discussions on Twitter, blogs and news article comment threads.

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Easterbrook’s version of the GISP2-based temperature reconstruction graph, as featured on the Watts Up With That blog.

This graph is misleading for a number of reasons.
First, the x-axis is mislabelled. In fact, it should say “Years before 1950”, rather than “Years before present (2000 AD)”. The GISP2 ice core only extends up to 1855 – 95 years before 1950. This means that none of the modern observational temperature period overlaps with the proxy reconstruction. (Easterbrook’s graph shows the uptick in the final 100 years or so of the record – shown in red – incorrectly indicating that it is the observational temperature period.)
The figure was also featured in another post on the same blog, which conflated Greenland with global temperatures. Any individual location will have significantly more variability than the globe as a whole. A single ice core is also subject to uncertainties around elevation changes and other perturbations to the ice core over time.
As Prof Alley told then-New York Times journalist Andrew Revkin back in 2010:
“The data still contain a lot of noise over short times (snowdrifts are real, among other things). An isotopic record from one site is not purely a temperature record at that site, so care is required to interpret the signal and not the noise.”
The GISP2 reconstruction is fairly old and more recent research has questioned the assumptions made in changing the relationship between temperature and 18O during the Holocene and how to best account for elevation change of the ice sheet at the GISP2 site. The GISP2 reconstruction changes the relationship between 18O and temperatures by a factor of two during the Holocene, while more recent reconstructions keep it constant. Similarly, elevation change influences 18O records. The old GISP2 reconstruction did not take elevation changes into account.
Scientists reconstructing past Greenland temperatures now use estimates from many different ice cores, which reduces the uncertainties associated with any single one and gives a more accurate picture of changes over Greenland as a whole.
Alley made this point explicitly, telling Revkin:
“So, what do we get from GISP2? Alone, not an immense amount. With the other Greenland ice cores… and compared to additional records from elsewhere, an immense amount… Using GISP2 data to argue against global warming is, well, stupid, or misguided, or misled, or something, but surely not scientifically sensible.”

Multi-core reconstructions

A more modern Greenland temperature reconstruction, based on six different ice cores, was published by Prof Bo Vinther of the Niels Bohr Institute at the University of Copenhagen and colleagues in Nature in 2009.
Speaking to Carbon Brief, Vinther suggests that this multi-core Holocene reconstruction provides a number of advantages over the old GISP2 series, using ice core 18O data corrected for past elevation change and “tuned” to fit ice core borehole temperatures at four locations.
The six ice core sites used by the reconstruction are shown in the figure below.

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Location of the six ice core records used in the Vinther et al 2009 Greenland Holocene temperature reconstruction, from Figure 1a in their paper.

The temperature reconstruction produced using data from all six ice cores is shown by the blue line in the figure below, and spans the period from 9690BC to AD1970. It has a resolution of around 20 years, meaning that each data point represents the average temperature of the surrounding 20 years. So, the end of the record – 1970 – shows the average temperature between 1960 and 1980.
The ice core data cannot be extended all the way through to present because, as Alley tells Carbon Brief, the snow that falls on the ice sheet needs time to form into solid ice. He explains that “it isn’t quite enough to measure the snow as it falls…because there is a bit of post-depositional isotopic exchange and smoothing, so you’d want cores”.

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Greenland Ice Sheet plain. Credit: National Geographic Image Collection / Alamy Stock Photo.

To extend this dataset up to the present day, Carbon Brief has taken observational temperature data from Berkeley Earth at the location of each of the ice cores and used a 20-year locally weighted smoothed (“LOWESS”) average of all the sites. This is a statistical approach that provides an estimate of long-term changes in the timeseries.
The black line in the figure below shows the observational record between 1880 and 2018. It is fitted to the ice core reconstruction during the period of overlap from 1880 through to 1970.

Greenland temperature reconstruction from Vinther et al. (2009) using proxy data from six ice cores. Data spans the past 12,000 years with a resolution of 20 years. Observational temperature data from Berkeley Earth is shown at the end in black, with a 20-year smooth applied to match the proxy resolution. Proxy records and observations are aligned over the 1880-1960 period.
Showing instrumental temperature observations alongside climate proxy records is often challenging in practice. As Alley tells Carbon Brief: “The question of how to join palaeoclimatic data to instrumental data is one of the oldest in this field and remains challenging.”
Prof Vinther explains that showing proxy data and observations side-by-side is appropriate as long as the data both have the same “temporal resolution”. In other words, because each point in both datasets represents an average of the 20 years of surrounding data, they can be more accurately compared. Because ice cores provide relatively high resolution temperature estimates, it is easier to compare them to observed temperatures than other proxy reconstructions that may only have one value in a century or more.
Recent temperatures in Greenland are still likely below those experienced in the early Holocene. This is similar to what is found in global Holocene temperature reconstructions, such as the one published by Prof Shaun Marcott and colleagues in Science in 2013, which suggested that “current global temperatures of the past decade have not yet exceeded peak interglacial values, but are warmer than during ~75% of the Holocene temperature history”.
Recent temperatures are clearly higher than any seen in Greenland over the past two millennia. The figure below shows the ice core and observational temperature data zoomed in on the period from AD1 through to the present day.

Greenland temperature reconstruction over the past 2,000 years from Vinther et al 2009 and observational temperature data from Berkeley Earth with a 20-year smooth applied.

Looking into the future

Glossary
RCP4.5: The RCPs (Representative Concentration Pathways) are scenarios of future concentrations of greenhouse gases and other forcings. RCP4.5 is a “stabilisation scenario” where policies are put in place so atmospheric CO2 concentration levels… Read More
While periods during the early Holocene – 7,000-11,000 years ago – may have been warmer in Greenland than the present day, if the present rate of warming continues, the Earth should pass well beyond any temperatures experienced in Greenland during the Holocene by 2050.
To examine how future Greenland warming might compare to what has happened in the past, Carbon Brief has looked at the average of the CMIP5 climate models used in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) fifth assessment report. Future projections from these models are taken from the locations of the six ice cores used by Vinther and colleagues.
Two future scenarios, known as “Representative Concentration Pathways”, are used: representative concentration pathway RCP4.5, a modest mitigation scenario where global temperatures warm to nearly 3C above pre-industrial levels by 2100, and RCP8.5, a very high emissions scenario where global temperatures warm nearly 5C by 2100.

Glossary
RCP8.5: The RCPs (Representative Concentration Pathways) are scenarios of future concentrations of greenhouse gases and other forcings. RCP8.5 is a scenario of “comparatively high greenhouse gas emissions“ brought about by rapid population growth,… Read More
Climate models show faster warming in the Arctic than the rest of the world – a phenomenon known as arctic amplification – and similar to what has been observed over the past few decades. By 2100, these models have the area above the Greenland ice core locations warming by nearly 4C in RCP4.5 and more than 7C in RCP8.5.
The figure below shows a 20-year LOWESS smoothed average of the models from 2000 through to 2100 added on to the end of the observational temperature data. Temperatures clearly exceed any experienced in Greenland during the Holocene by 2050 and are much warmer by 2100.

Greenland temperature reconstruction over the past 12,000 years from Vinther et al 2009 combined with both observational temperature data from Berkeley Earth from 1880-2018 and CMIP5 multimodel mean projections from 1999-2100. A 20-year smooth is applied to annual Berkeley Earth and CMIP5 data. Proxy records and observations are aligned over the 1880-1960 period, while climate models and observations are aligned over the 1999-2018 period.
Just looking at the past 2000 years – and next 100 – shows a similar rapid rise at the end of the record. The rate of warming over the next century is projected to be far faster than anything seen since the end of the last ice age.

Greenland temperature reconstruction over the past 2,000 years from Vinther et al 2009, observational temperature data from Berkeley Earth and CMIP5 models data with a 20-year smooth applied.

Conclusion

Greenland ice cores provide a high-quality high-resolution estimate of past changes in temperatures, allowing more precise comparisons with observed temperature records than most other climate proxies. While current temperatures are likely still below the highs in the early Holocene around 7,000 years ago, they are clearly higher than any temperatures experienced in Greenland over the past 2,000 years.
Greenland is just one location and temperature variations seen in ice core records may not be characteristic of global temperatures. However, global proxy reconstructions have tended to show similar patterns, with current temperatures lower than the early Holocene maximum.
Unless greenhouse gas emissions cease in the near future, warming will continue and, by the middle of the 21st century, Greenland – and the world as a whole – will likely experience temperatures that are unprecedented at least since the last interglacial period 125,000 years ago.

References

Cuffey, K. M., & Clow, G. D. (1997). Temperature, accumulation, and ice sheet elevation in central Greenland through the last deglacial transition. Journal of Geophysical Research: Oceans, 102(C12), 26383–26396. http://doi.org/doi:10.1029/96JC03981

Alley, R. B. (2000). Ice-core evidence of abrupt climate changes. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 97(4), 1331 LP-1334. http://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.97.4.1331

Vinther, B. M., et al. (2009). Holocene thinning of the Greenland ice sheet. Nature, 461, 385. https://doi.org/10.1038/nature08355

https://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-what-greenland-ice-cores-say-about-past-and-present-climate-change

by Guest Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:01 pm

Assessing the Global Climate in July 2019

July was the warmest month on record for the globe
More lies from the climate change loons - death of a glacier Kenya

The global land and ocean surface temperature departure from average for July 2019 was the highest for the month of July, making it the warmest month overall in the 140-year NOAA global temperature dataset record, which dates back to 1880. The year-to-date temperature for 2019 tied with 2017 as the second warmest January–July on record.

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More lies from the climate change loons - death of a glacier Global-Significant-Climate-Events-Map_NOAA-July-2019

This monthly summary, developed by scientists at NOAA National Centers for Environmental Information, is part of the suite of climate services NOAA provides to government, business, academia, and the public to support informed decision-making.

Assessing the Global Climate in July 2019, NOAA National Centers for Environmental Information, Aug 15, 2019

by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:41 pm

Fact remains dodgy didge... we have plenty of evidence of the mini ice age and how it started around 700 years ago!!!

And the glacier only came into existence at the start of this mini ice age 700 years ago!!!

Therefore it was warmer before 700 years ago or the glacier would be colder than 700 years!!!

We have now properly come out of that mini ice age, back to normal warm temperatures that we had before the 700 years of the cooler mini ice age!!!

The facts are staring you straight in the face!!!

Stop being a Borg and start remembering that 2+2 doesn't = 5...!!!

by Guest Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:52 pm

I see tommy is yet again cluelss to the fact he goes off local tempretures and not global tempretures

Let alone the fact the rate the tempreture is rising so fast unprecidented in history.

So the tempreture may have been similar in Greenland 700 years ago, as it is today in Greenland, so what. That was local tempretures and only in parts of the northern hemisphere. The tempretures today were not like this globally 700 years ago. They are globally much warmer than 700 years ago. Hence the effects of a warmer climate in greenland locally at the time are nothing like the global tempretures today. Which is causing more and longer droughts, effecting many areas globally. That is causing massive adverse effects to the climate and weather. let alone how bad this will be by 2030 alone. Let alone how destructive it will be by 2050 on its present massive rapid rise. When we get to this point most costal areas will be underwater and hundreds of millions of people homeless.

This is why Tommy is a complete imbicile and fails to even understand the data he is reading. If tommy wants to remain ignorant that is up to him. Luckily the worlds future is not dependent on listening to imbiciles like him

by Guest Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:04 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD16nCsvjqs

by Guest Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:09 pm

phildidge wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD16nCsvjqs

This proves Tommy has no clue what he is talking about and as stated in the video he cherry picks data again not understanding it

Tommy debunked and no need for anymore needed to be said

Like I say, if he wants to understand this better, I suggest he goes back to school

by 'Wolfie Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:29 pm

Tommy is a total fuckwit...

There was no genuine "mini ige age" 700 years ago..

Tommy keeps on referring to a well known localised abnormal cooling period in Western Europe as an "ice age", when it never was any such thing.

I can't be bothered even giving the time of day to an arrogant and ignorant retard fuckup the likes of Tommy -- self-proclaimed "genius" who knows better than 99% of the worlds scientists, yet only can manage to keep on repeating his oil&mining company denialist lies, over and over and over.

by Andy Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:01 pm

Poor Tommy thinks he is hard
But his brain is filled up with lard
He denies climate change
Which is really strange
And we all think he is a retard

by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:20 pm

The Little Ice Age (LIA) was a period of cooling that occurred after the Medieval Warm Period.[1] Although it was not a true ice age, the term was introduced into scientific literature by François E. Matthes in 1939.[2] It has been conventionally defined as a period extending from the 16th to the 19th centuries,[3][4][5] but some experts prefer an alternative timespan from about 1300[6]to about 1850.[7][8][9]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

And this glacier is reported to only have been in existence for about 700 years... bit of a coincidence isnt it, that the cold period known as the little/mini ice age started around 700 years ago too!!!???

If this glacier is only been in existence for 700 years then it was warmer or as warm as it is now, around 700 years ago, before the start of the mini ice age!!!

The facts are smacking you all in the face and telling you to wake up to the truth!!!

lol!

by Guest Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:27 pm

'Wolfie wrote:

Tommy is a total fuckwit...

There was no genuine "mini ige age" 700 years ago..

Tommy keeps on referring to a well known localised abnormal cooling period in Western Europe as an "ice age", when it never was any such thing.

I can't be bothered even giving the time of day to an arrogant and ignorant retard fuckup the likes of Tommy -- self-proclaimed "genius" who knows better than 99% of the worlds scientists, yet only can manage to keep on repeating his oil&mining company denialist lies, over and over and over.

I dont even bother to respond directly to him on matters like this anymore, just instead post up the facts

Like I said, if he wants to remain ignorant and cherry pick facts. Then you know he is being dishonest with an agenda.

He will no doubt go into Tommy bot mode now I guess

by Guest Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:28 pm

Andy wrote:Poor Tommy thinks he is hard
But his brain is filled up with lard
He denies climate change
Which is really strange
And we all think he is a retard

by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:16 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Death of a glacier...

"...Mourners have gathered in Iceland to commemorate the loss of Okjokull, which has died at the age of about 700. The glacier was officially declared dead in 2014 when it was no longer thick enough to move. What once was glacier has been reduced to a small patch of ice atop a volcano..."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49345912

The facts!!!

It has only existed for about 700 years... before this it was warmer so it didn't exist!!!

It only became into existence about 700 years ago!!!

The 'little/mini ice age' also only started about 700 years ago!!!

It is now back to being a bit warmer than it has been over the last 700 years... it is now back to being nearer to how warm it was before this 700 year long cool period...

The glacier didn't exist back before about 700 years ago when it was warmer than the last 700 years... and of course it is going to cease to exist now that we are out of this 700 year long cool period, and back to the temps that we had over 700 years ago!!!

Why are some here finding it so hard to see and understand the truth of what I say!!!???

The fact that the glacier only came into being about 700 years ago PROVES THAT IT MUST HAVE BEEN WARMER BEFORE AND TOO WARM FOR IT TO EXIST BEFORE THIS TIME!!!

AND WE KNOW THE 'LITTLE/MINI ICE AGE' STARTED AROUND THE SAME TIME THAT THIS GLACIER WAS CREATED!!!

NOW WE ARE OUT OF YHE COOL PERIOD AND A BIT WARMER, LIKE BEFORE, THEN OF COURSE THE GLACIER WILL MELT!!!

ANYONE WHO CANNOT UNDERSTAND THIS SIMPLE BIT OF FACT BASED AND EVIDENCE BASED COMMON SENSE LOGIC AND REASONING... IS EITHER A COMPLETE IDIOT OR A BRAINWASHED LOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol!

by Andy Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:47 pm

Shouting doesnt make you sound more intelligent.
The only way you could do that is accept that 99% of the world's scientists and leading climatologists probably know more than a gump like you.

by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:28 pm

Talking shite confirms that you are an idiot Andy...!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexepstein/2015/01/06/97-of-climate-scientists-agree-is-100-wrong/

Now andy... please just answer this question...

Given that this glacier has only existed for about 700 years... and given that it has now mostly melted away because it is now too warm there for it to stay frozen...

And given that you think that it is now warmer than ever before...

Explain why it didn't exist before 700 years ago... when you believe it was much colder before then, than it is now...!!!???

lol!

by Andy Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:03 pm

A climate denyer called Monk
Posted as if he was drunk
Try as he might
He only talked shyte
And to admit he was wrong takes spunk.

by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:46 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

Talking shite confirms that you are an idiot Andy...!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexepstein/2015/01/06/97-of-climate-scientists-agree-is-100-wrong/

Now andy... please just answer this question...

Given that this glacier has only existed for about 700 years... and given that it has now mostly melted away because it is now too warm there for it to stay frozen...

And given that you think that it is now warmer than ever before...

Explain why it didn't exist before 700 years ago... when you believe it was much colder before then, than it is now...!!!???

by Tommy Monk Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:38 am

Looks like run away andy has run away again...

Oh dear...!

by Guest Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:16 am

Well this is a tad embarressing for tommy and clearly he is quite the dummy

https://slate.com/technology/2019/07/okjokull-iceland-glacier-death-plaque.html

Lets see whether he can firgure out where he fucked up lol

lol!

by Tommy Monk Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:33 am

Why don't you tell us all...!?

by Guest Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:36 am

Oh my someone cannot read or understand glaciers it seems

lol!

by Guest Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:59 am

I will give Tommy a hint Laughing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagas_of_Icelanders

by Tommy Monk Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:41 am

What is there to read and understand dodge...?

I have already posted up the relevant information... and you fail to understand that...!

by Guest Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:40 pm

lol, he still fails to understand this and glaciers.

This is priceless

lol!

by Tommy Monk Tue Aug 20, 2019 2:24 pm

Dodge... you are doing one of your bullshit tricks that we have all seen a thousand times before... you post up that someone has fukked up and start laughing but without ever saying what it is that you think is the actual fuck up...!

It is very boring...

You got nothing you cretin!!!

My points and facts and evidence still stand!!!

by Guest Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:53 pm

lol and he still has not figured this.
Also this proves he knows absolutely nothing about glaciers
Like I say tommy cherry picks something without ever understanding what he cherry picked lol

Amd I gave him a hint

by Tommy Monk Tue Aug 20, 2019 4:16 pm

There is nothing to figure out dodge... you know nothing... you are just deflecting with your bullshit...!

by Guest Tue Aug 20, 2019 4:24 pm

Oh yes there is Tommy, like for example the present glaciers on Iceland, formed about 7,000 years abo and started rapidly expanding around 2,500 years ago. You in your informate stupidity. Failed to understand anything about glaciers in how they expand and receed over history.

What you stuidly did was go off a BBC report that went off not the age of the glacier, but when its been known to history through icelandic sagas. That were written down in the 13th and 14th th century. It takes years for glaciers to form and this is simple the fist time this saga appaers as its name in history. “The name Ok appears in the sagas written in the 13th and 14th centuries, so we’ve known this mountain by name for eight centuries,”

This is where you screwed up, just as the BBC did. That is how long the glacier has been known by a name, not how old it really is. If this Glacier was known at the beginning of 1200, then it clearly had formed before this. Which based on your claim that it was warmer for the time. Would be impossible right? Being as you claim it was warmer back then. This shows how you have no clue what you are talking about or the age of these actually glaciers. Nor how they are formed. It also proves it was not as warm back then as it is presently today

This is yet again another prime tommy utter fuck up

by Andy Tue Aug 20, 2019 5:39 pm

But Tommy is cleverer than EVERY scientist, climatologist, geologist and ecologist in the world.
Cleverer than Einstein.
And Brian Cox.
Because he says he knows and understands more about earth science than they do collectively.
Razz

by Tommy Monk Tue Aug 20, 2019 6:43 pm

Is about 700 years old dodge... and there is still ice there now just as there probably was before 700 years ago...

Just not cold enough before then and there now to actually be a glacier...

No fuk up from me dodge... just you twisting and clutching at straws...

And Andy... plenty of scientists and experts disagree on climate change theory and predictions and on causes...

by Guest Tue Aug 20, 2019 6:48 pm

Oh dear epic fail and this proves Tommy cannot admit to when he fucks up

I rest my case

No need to say anymore. like I say it does not take much reserah cto show up Tommys wackadoodle claims

by Tommy Monk Tue Aug 20, 2019 6:57 pm

No fuk up from me dodge!!!

It only became a glacier about 700 years ago when it got cold enough for that to happen...same time as the mini ice age started...

by Ben Reilly Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:36 pm

Europe returned to "normal" temperatures at around 1850, and has been getting quite hotter than "normal" since then.

The loss of Okjökull proves the planet is getting too hot to support glaciers. Researchers believe all the glaciers in Iceland will be lost within the next two centuries if nothing changes.

by Tommy Monk Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:01 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:

1. Europe returned to "normal" temperatures at around 1850, and has been getting quite hotter than "normal" since then.

2. The loss of Okjökull proves the planet is getting too hot to support glaciers.

3. Researchers believe all the glaciers in Iceland will be lost within the next two centuries if nothing changes.

1. That is simply untrue!

2. No... all that is proved is that we are now too warm for this glacier to continue to exist... and as this glacier has only existed for about 700 years, then it proves that we were warmer over 700 years ago too!!!

3. This is based on speculative future predictions of temps, which are based on a completely contrived load of nonsense!!!

by Guest Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:03 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:Europe returned to "normal" temperatures at around 1850, and has been getting quite hotter than "normal" since then.

The loss of Okjökull proves the planet is getting too hot to support glaciers. Researchers believe all the glaciers in Iceland will be lost within the next two centuries if nothing changes.

Exactly +1

by Tommy Monk Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:22 pm

Please explain why you think 1850 temps are what should be considered as normal...!!!???

Normal compared to what...!!!???

by Tommy Monk Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:05 am

Well...!!!???

by Ben Reilly Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:51 am

Tommy, if you look into your beloved "Mini Ice Age," you'll find that it did indeed end about 130 years ago, according to all research.

Since then, it's been getting warmer.

If you seriously think that the world is just now normalizing from the below-average cold temperatures of the MIA, you've just shown yet another thing you don't understand about climate history and climate change.

Actually, the only reason I engage with you on this topic is that I don't want your ludicrous claims to go uncorrected. It's useless debating you.

If you put half the effort into understanding the topic as you put into trying to refute what the vast majority of the world's climate scientists have been saying for the past 40 years or so, you'd be a lot more open-minded about global warming.

by Tommy Monk Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:04 am

It must gave been as warm or warmer over 700 years ago as now... the glacier proves it!

by Andy Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:54 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

It must gave been as warm or warmer over 700 years ago as now... the glacier proves it!

The only thing you have proved on here is that you are a fucking idiot.

by Tommy Monk Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:34 pm

You brainwashed idiots just cant believe the facts when they are laid out right in front of you!!!

You really do believe 2+2=5!!!

by Andy Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:22 pm

And round and round d we go.
Ben, Quill, Wolfie, Eddie, myself, Les and a million of the world's top. scientists and specialist experts CONFIRM global warming is real and happening.
Dork brain still rails against it in spite of overwhelming evedence.

What to you call Tommy when he's hiding in the woods? A thicket.

What do you call 144 Tommy's? Gross stupidity.

Tommy has run out of luck
Mainly because he's thick as fuck
He can argue all night
Pretending he is right
But against us he has come unstuck.

by Andy Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:27 pm

It seems Tom went to school only once
And on that day became the dunce
The kids laughed and jeered
At his 4 day old beard
Embarrassed, he could only reply "you c u n t s".

by Original Quill Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:00 pm

Xlent limericks, Andy. Rhythm and meter are getting even better.

cheers

by Andy Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:09 pm

We've beaten Tom fair, he'll say it's not cricket,
But there again he's not the full ticket
He bizarrlely claims Climate change is false
And continues to show he has no remorse
That the statistician he quoted made a huge ricket.

by Andy Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:38 pm

Iceland loses its first glacier due to climate change.
http://news.sky.com/story/iceland-holds-funeral-for-its-first-glacier-lost-to-climate-change-11788996

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