UK police to investigate leak from British Ambassador's office.

by Andy Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:45 pm

http://news.sky.com/story/serious-consequences-jeremy-hunts-warning-after-leak-of-uk-ambassadors-memos-on-trump-11758812

Could be a leak from one of the embassy staff , or more sinister, could the computers in the embassy have been hacked by US security services on Trumps instructions to undermine our position?

by Tommy Monk Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:05 pm

Probably a remoaner...

by Andy Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:21 pm

Trump wanted rid of an ambassador for whom there is mutual contempt.
Trump gets his security service to hack into his computer to find dirt.
Dirt found, offered it to pro Trump rw British paper. Hacked emails published, Trump feigns shock and anger and suggests ambassador is withdrawn.
Sounds like a typical Trump chess game and manoevre.

by eddie Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:27 pm

Andy wrote:http://news.sky.com/story/serious-consequences-jeremy-hunts-warning-after-leak-of-uk-ambassadors-memos-on-trump-11758812

Could be a leak from one of the embassy staff , or more sinister, could the computers in the embassy have been hacked by US security services on Trumps instructions to undermine our position?

So you think presidents have that much power? Not that I necessarily disagree but it seems that lots of people seem to think he can avoid rape charges and also get people to hack the embassy computers at will.

Sounds like a conspiracy theory. Now, I’m all for alternate truths but why pick and choose?

by Ben Reilly Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:32 pm

Sounds more to me like Russia; they meddle in UK affairs just as much as they do in U.S. affairs.

by eddie Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:38 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:Sounds more to me like Russia; they meddle in UK affairs just as much as they do in U.S. affairs.

They must have a lot of power then.... How do they get away with it? scratch

by Original Quill Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:38 pm

Could be anything. Ambassador Kim Derroch is supposed to be terminated anyway. Nigel Farange has made it clear that he wants the spot, and Trump favors it.

I'll bet even money Derroch leaked it himself, as a parting shot.

by Andy Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:45 pm

Farage will be unemployed on November 1st.
Would he want a job sucking up to and fawning over his bestest far right buddy?
You bet.

by Original Quill Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:45 pm

eddie wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:Sounds more to me like Russia; they meddle in UK affairs just as much as they do in U.S. affairs.

They must have a lot of power then.... How do they get away with it?

Russians manipulate elections electronically. They instate the heads of state themselves. Once in, they have kompromat over the head of state. How do you think Trump made it? Once the collusion and successful election takes shape, the incumbent has to holler 'no collusion'.

Once in, then, Putin tells them what their foreign policy is.

by Ben Reilly Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:49 pm

eddie wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:Sounds more to me like Russia; they meddle in UK affairs just as much as they do in U.S. affairs.

They must have a lot of power then.... How do they get away with it?

There's only so much power one government has over another country's government. Short of beating them in a war, there aren't many things countries can do to force one another to do things.

There are international laws, of course, but they're mostly toothless.

by Ben Reilly Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:50 pm

Also, it doesn't take much power to hire hackers and attack another country's information networks.

by Andy Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:50 pm

There is a BIG story lurking behind this .
It depends how much digging the Cabinet Office and the Met Police are prepared to do.

by eddie Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:53 pm

Original Quill wrote:
eddie wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:Sounds more to me like Russia; they meddle in UK affairs just as much as they do in U.S. affairs.

They must have a lot of power then.... How do they get away with it?

Russians manipulate elections electronically. They instate the heads of state themselves. Once in, they have kompromat over the head of state. How do you think Trump made it? Once the collusion and successful election takes shape, the incumbent has to holler 'no collusion'.

Once in, then, Putin tells them what their foreign policy is.

They manipulate elections electronically? And we all know that and we don’t mind?
Doesn’t that mean that any elections can be manipulated by anyone in power then? Doesn’t that mean the whole government is corrupt?

Now I am not dismissing your claims bye, but by that token don’t you think the government can manipulate just about anything they like? At any time? For any reason?

Why would you then believe anything you read?

by Andy Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:57 pm

Who believes anything you read or hear on Fox, the Sun the Mail or the Express?

by nicko Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:01 pm

Only the Mirror tells the truth, Ha Ha Ha Laughing

by eddie Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:05 pm

Andy wrote:Who believes anything you read or hear on Fox, the Sun the Mail or the Express?

So you choose to believe the stories that suit your opinions. That’s what most people do.

by Original Quill Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:09 pm

eddie wrote:They manipulate elections electronically? And we all know that and we don’t mind?
Doesn’t that mean that any elections can be manipulated by anyone in power then? Doesn’t that mean the whole government is corrupt?

Yes, exactly.

by Andy Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:17 pm

eddie wrote:
Andy wrote:Who believes anything you read or hear on Fox, the Sun the Mail or the Express?

So you choose to believe the stories that suit your opinions. That’s what most people do.

Look at the papers who lose the most libel cases.
Today's judgement against News International for Heather Mills is a case in point.
Smear campaigns and packs of lies.
And I don't exclude the Mirror Group.

by Original Quill Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:18 pm

eddie wrote:Now I am not dismissing your claims bye, but by that token don’t you think the government can manipulate just about anything they like? At any time? For any reason?

Yes. Russia is quite a bit ahead of other countries, probably because their leader is an ex-KGB Colonel. The Russian agency in charge is the Internet Research Agency, headquartered in St. Petersburg, Russia.

eddie wrote:Why would you then believe anything you read?

Because, in the west we have freedom of speech and a protected press. They are separate from the government. So you can believe the stories you read.

However, it's a good question none-the-less. Why do you think the RW constantly attacks the press as fake news? It's the last bastion to stand up to them.

by eddie Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:18 pm

Original Quill wrote:
eddie wrote:They manipulate elections electronically? And we all know that and we don’t mind?
Doesn’t that mean that any elections can be manipulated by anyone in power then? Doesn’t that mean the whole government is corrupt?

Yes, exactly.

Just right wing ones? What happened to Obama then?

by eddie Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:19 pm

Original Quill wrote:Now I am not dismissing your claims bye, but by that token don’t you think the government can manipulate just about anything they like? At any time? For any reason?

Yes. Russia is quite a bit ahead of other countries, probably because their leader is an ex-KGB Colonel. The Russian agency in charge is the Internet Research Agency, headquartered in St. Petersburg, Russia.

eddie wrote:Why would you then believe anything you read?

Because, in the west we have freedom of speech and a protected press. They are separate from the government. So you can believe the stories you read.

However, it's a good question none-the-less. Why do you think the RW constantly attacks the press as fake news? It's the last bastion to stand up to them.[/quote]

If they’re all-powerful why don’t they stop the media?

by Original Quill Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:20 pm

eddie wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Now I am not dismissing your claims bye, but by that token don’t you think the government can manipulate just about anything they like? At any time? For any reason?

Yes. Russia is quite a bit ahead of other countries, probably because their leader is an ex-KGB Colonel. The Russian agency in charge is the Internet Research Agency, headquartered in St. Petersburg, Russia.

eddie wrote:Why would you then believe anything you read?

Because, in the west we have freedom of speech and a protected press. They are separate from the government. So you can believe the stories you read.

However, it's a good question none-the-less. Why do you think the RW constantly attacks the press as fake news? It's the last bastion to stand up to them.

If they’re all-powerful why don’t they stop the media?

I didn't say they were ALL-powerful. They are all-manipulative.

The people stop them from taking over the media.

by JulesV Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:58 am

Sir Kim Darroch described Failing Trump as "inept", insecure and incompetent".

In a cartoon in today's newspaper (the mirror) Trump angrily replied something like: "Wrong. I am ept[sic], I am very secure and my bladder's not leaky." Twisted Evil

I bet Lurker will post that one up as soon as it goes online! tongue

by Original Quill Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:29 am

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