London violence: Four killed including heavily pregnant woman in 24 hours of bloodshed on the capital's streets

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Heavily pregnant woman, 26, stabbed to death in Croydon - her baby survived but is in critical condition in hospital

Just before 6pm on Saturday, a man was injured in a fight in Coldharbour lane in Brixton and later died 

A man in his 20s was stabbed to death in Newham just after 11pm last night

An 18-year-old died after being stabbed in Southwark in the small hours of Sunday morning

The deaths take the number of people killed in violence in London in 2019 up to 64

STEPHANIE COCKROFT  ASHER MCSHANE Sunday 30 June 2019 14:54

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Victim: Kellymary Fauvrelle, 26 ( )

Four people have died in the space of just over 24 hours in a series of violent attacks across London. 

A heavily pregnant woman was stabbed to death in the small hours of Saturday morning. Her baby is in critical condition after an emergency procedure at the scene of the stabbing in Croydon.

Around 15 hours later, a man was injured during a fight in Coldharbour lane in Brixton, and died hours later. Just after 11pm last night another man was stabbed to death in a street in Newham.

Then, in the small hours of Sunday morning, an 18-year-old died after a stabbing in Southwark.

Another man is critically injured after a stabbing when an out-of-control rave at a north London housing estate turned violent , with riot police deployed to disperse hundreds of people who had gathered at the scene.

Heavily pregnant woman who was stabbed to death named as second arrest made

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/london-violence-four-killed-including-heavily-pregnant-woman-in-24hour-bloodbath-on-the-capitals-a4178836.html?amp

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

It's not me.  Note the OP of the thread.  He brought up "the poor lady".

I agree with you, to start a thread 'because...[anyone] is black' is racist.

Tommy didn't say she was unrestrained and lawless.

I think he did...in her race. I think that's the point of the thread.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Tommy didn't say she was unrestrained and lawless.

I think he did...in her race.  I think that's the point of the thread.

You seem to have made it the point of the thread - that's your problem though. Tommy was merely reporting some news.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

It's not me.  Note the OP of the thread.  He brought up "the poor lady".

I agree with you, to start a thread 'because...[anyone] is black' is racist.

Tommy didn't say she was unrestrained and lawless.

No...the point he's pounding home, without justification, is that black people are unrestrained and lawless.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Tommy didn't say she was unrestrained and lawless.

No...the point he's pounding home, without justification, is that black people are unrestrained and lawless.

No he's not. You're the one who appears to be saying that the lady at least was killed for being unrestrained and lawless. That's really out of order, as was your first comment in this thread.

These are just Tory politicians breaking up with their girlfriends.

To say that a woman and her unborn child were murdered by a Tory politician who wanted to break up with her is disgusting.

You haven't exactly covered yourself in glory in this thread have you?

You're barking up the wrong tree. Obviously, you are covering for tommy.

I've always known you are anti-black. No sense in all these games.

Raggamuffin wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

that means all lefties and liberals are racist since they hold to the view that blacks are always victims of whites

So Quill is racist towards black people then. Who would have thought?

quill is basically the leader of the KKK

he fucking HATES with a capital H, HATES!!!!!!!!!!!!! blacks

the best racists are the one who pretend to be the most concerned about poor blacky

Original Quill wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

that means all lefties and liberals are racist since they hold to the view that blacks are always victims of whites

But the shit-stirrer that started the thread is a righty.  The sole message of the thread is that blacks are unrestrained and lawless.  All rightys, Republicans and Tories are racists.

erm??

blacks ARE unrestrained and lawless

name a single area in the US with a majority black population that is safer, better off economically, educationally,socially, has better employment prospects, lower crimes rates and in general is just better in all areas andaspects of life than a similar areas that have a similar demographic of whites??

you cant.

and shit stirrer??

all he did was start a relevant thread about about relevant issues in the uk, just becasue you are super senstiive towards your own bias in areas of race doesnt mean HE is the shit stirrer, if anything its your inabilty to deall with your own suppressed racism that is stirring the shit

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:nowhere have any black people been vilified

.  

Forget about victims and perps.  The whole thread associates blacks and crime in no uncertain terms.  The whole thread (and so many more by this org) vilifies black people.

Like I say, you're behaving like a Republican:  Where?  What children in cages?  I don't see anything.

This thread is purely about the latest spate of murders in London, which all happened within a 24 hour period of the last weekend!!!


The ethnicity/race/religion of any of the suspected perpetrators, has not been mentioned by me, or in any link that I have posted here on this thread...!


So... why is quill making such a fuss about things here on this thread...!?


He seems to be claiming that all the perpetrators are black... and that it is wrong for me to mention anything about these horrendous murders, because I am white... although he also tries to claim that all people are equal regardless of race/ethnicity/religion etc...


So... if I was black... and had posted up this thread...?


Would he be trying to accuse me of some sort of 'racism' for posting about it...?


No... of course he wouldn't...!!!


But... he seems to think it is ok to attack me... only because I am white... when he wouldn't do this if I was black... and his reason is, that although he shouts about how it is wrong to treat people differently because of their ethnicity/race/religion etc... he clearly doesn't practice what he preaches...!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:This thread is purely about the latest spate of murders in London, which all happened within a 24 hour period of the last weekend!!!

The ethnicity/race/religion of any of the suspected perpetrators, has not been mentioned by me, or in any link that I have posted here on this thread...!

So... why is quill making such a fuss about things here on this thread...!?

Start with...I don't believe you.

Nobody really cares what you think...

Well, obviously you do. W/B.

Gotta turn in...

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:This thread is purely about the latest spate of murders in London, which all happened within a 24 hour period of the last weekend!!!

The ethnicity/race/religion of any of the suspected perpetrators, has not been mentioned by me, or in any link that I have posted here on this thread...!

So... why is quill making such a fuss about things here on this thread...!?

Start with...I don't believe you.

Shocker

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:This thread is purely about the latest spate of murders in London, which all happened within a 24 hour period of the last weekend!!!

The ethnicity/race/religion of any of the suspected perpetrators, has not been mentioned by me, or in any link that I have posted here on this thread...!

So... why is quill making such a fuss about things here on this thread...!?

Start with...I don't believe you.

Dont you always say 'this thread isn't about me, answer the topic'.

Syl wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Start with...I don't believe you.

Dont you always say 'this thread isn't about me, answer the topic'.

This time it's 'ME' as in 'all of us'.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:

Dont you always say 'this thread isn't about me, answer the topic'.

This time it's 'ME' as in 'all of us'.

Nope...just you and your little lap dog.  
Most other people have taken the thread at face value.

If something is in the news it's worth discussing.
As the vicious stabbing of a woman who was 8 months pregnant which resulted in her and her babies murder have been in the news over the last week, it was worth discussing.

You derailed the thread Quill, no one else.

Syl wrote:You derailed the thread Quill, no one else.

Oh my...and it was such a spectacular thread, discussing how all blacks are criminals.

Shame, really.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:You derailed the thread Quill, no one else.

Oh my...and it was such a spectacular thread, discussing how all blacks are criminals.

Shame, really.

Hahahaha....YOU were discussing that no one else. Do you ever actually read back on a thread?
The victims are black....there is yet no mention of the perpetrators.

Syl wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Oh my...and it was such a spectacular thread, discussing how all blacks are criminals.

Shame, really.

Hahahaha....YOU were discussing that no one else. Do you ever actually read back on a thread?
The victims are black....there is yet no mention of the perpetrators.

quill is incredibly racist but worse than that he tries to hide his racism under a cloak of morality

heads up quill! I can see through your cloak

your true colours are not good, not good at all

Original Quill wrote:You're barking up the wrong tree.  Obviously, you are covering for tommy.

I've always known you are anti-black.  No sense in all these games.

You only thought I was anti-black because I said that I would be annoyed if someone trashed my car in the middle of a riot. For some reason, you think that's racist.

Now you think I'm anti-black because ... well because ... er why?

This was couple days ago...


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-48874225



And this is just being reported...

https://news.sky.com/story/murder-inquiry-after-man-shot-dead-in-wembley-11757703

So what do you suggest we do Tommy?

5 years automatic for carrying a knife without good reason
10 for drawing it especially in public, without good reason and life (or the death penalty, much as I dislike it) for using it.

go back to the ancient frankenlaw....the first to draw steel is the criminal.

as for guns...unlawful posession with criminal intent ...life....
criminal use...death......

drugs..legalise the class c's and some class b's....the rest...compulsory detox and 5 years for users...death for pushers and suppliers......

criminal gangs..infiltrate and assasinate leaders and lieutenants, round up the rest and put in work camps for 10 years if over 16 those younger into educational institutions for retraining.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:You're barking up the wrong tree.  Obviously, you are covering for tommy.

I've always known you are anti-black.  No sense in all these games.

You only thought I was anti-black because I said that I would be annoyed if someone trashed my car in the middle of a riot. For some reason, you think that's racist.

Now you think I'm anti-black because ... well because ... er why?

No. However long I have known you, I have always said you are a racist.

But racism means something different in England, compared with the US.

But I don't want to get off the point in a thread about crime in London.

Victorismyhero wrote:5 years automatic for carrying a knife without good reason
10 for drawing it especially in public, without good reason and life (or the death penalty, much as I dislike it) for using it.

go back to the ancient frankenlaw....the first to draw steel is the criminal.

as for guns...unlawful posession with criminal intent ...life....
criminal use...death......

drugs..legalise the class c's  and some class b's....the rest...compulsory detox and 5 years for users...death for pushers and suppliers......

criminal gangs..infiltrate and assasinate leaders and lieutenants, round up the rest and put in work camps for 10 years if over 16 those younger into educational institutions for retraining.

All idiotic ideas and why do you think I think they are?

Because you have not learnt a damn thing from history

The root cause of the problems is gangs that take their premise from  drugs

What if you tak awy that source of revenue of druges with money and legalise them and make them safe?

If the death pdenality does not work, what use is 5 years?

All the above never actually looks to tackle the root cause of why people are drawn to violence and gangs

London has centuiries of history with this and we are still making the same dumb mistakes

Do you really think those caught give a fuck about being sent to prison?

What matters is catching these problems at their core. If you think sentences are a deterrant, then you have lost your way mate

Criminals today don't care about being sent to Prison, because Prisons today are fucking Holiday camps !

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You only thought I was anti-black because I said that I would be annoyed if someone trashed my car in the middle of a riot. For some reason, you think that's racist.

Now you think I'm anti-black because ... well because ... er why?

No.  However long I have known you, I have always said you are a racist.

But racism means something different in England, compared with the US.

But I don't want to get off the point in a thread about crime in London.

You got off the topic about crime in London right from the start. Do you have no self-awareness at all?

You can call me what you like, but it doesn't make it true. You're the one who's racist - against eastern Europeans.

I find it hard to believe that you're any kind of lawyer - you have no sense of logic whatsoever.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You only thought I was anti-black because I said that I would be annoyed if someone trashed my car in the middle of a riot. For some reason, you think that's racist.

Now you think I'm anti-black because ... well because ... er why?

No.  However long I have known you, I have always said you are a racist.

But racism means something different in England, compared with the US.

But I don't want to get off the point in a thread about crime in London.

black crime in london

and the thing is quill,your issue is that you think you are somehow morally superior to everyone else and that gives you the right to declare them racist

the reality is that no one actually cares what you think, screeching that someone is racist isnt an argument that they are

Some more news from london, as seen on bbc red button local news...


Two men have been charged with the murder of a teenager who was stabbed to death in south London.

Amara Toure, 18, was attacked in Sutherland Walk, Southwark, in the early hours of 30 June.

Dullah Abdullah, 20 of Eton Road, Ilford; and Sultan Chaudhry, 20, of High Street South, East Ham; are accused of killing him.

Paulinho Paulo, 20, of Walton Road, Ilford, has already been charged with murder

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-48892520



And...


A moped robber has been jailed after he and other gang members carried out a £160,000 raid on a west London jewellers that lasted only 60 seconds.

Jason Abraham, 23, was one of seven people who targeted Amir Jewellers in Maida Vale, armed with hammers, a crowbar and a machete on 20 May.

Abraham, who has 15 previous convictions, previously admitted one count of robbery.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-48888373



And...


A woman who claims she had a relationship with film director Michael Winner has admitted robbing his widow of jewellery, art and cash.

Geraldine Winner, 81, suffered head injuries and a broken finger in the break-in at her flat in Knightsbridge, central London, on 9 October 2015.

Gurgana Gueorguieva, 48, of Holland Park, admitted one count of robbery.

However, prosecutors at Southwark Crown Court said they did not accept the basis of her plea.

Ms Gueorguieva only admitted stealing items to the value of £50,000 and claimed any injuries caused to her victim were accidental.

But prosecutors said they did not believe her version of events "particularly when one looks at the injuries sustained by the complainant".

They also consider that the items taken were worth £280,000.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-48885236

So sadly anotherr human being has been murdered, by another human being

Still waiting forTommy to propose what to do here, being as Police have increase massively stop and search and the stabbings continue

Did he not say this would help combat this and yet we see an increase in said stabbings

I keep waiting for the neanderthal Tommy to propose a view what to do here, when London and other cities have faced such criminality before with gangs??

Perhaps if we had more Prisons built as prisons instead of "holiday Camps" and got rid of the Snowflake Judges and Magistrates who have no idea of the World outside their little "Bubbles" and brought in proper sentences to suit the Crimes, we might see a fall in criminality !

nicko wrote:Perhaps if we had more Prisons built as prisons instead of "holiday Camps" and got rid of the Snowflake Judges and Magistrates who have no idea of the World outside their little "Bubbles" and brought in proper sentences to suit the Crimes, we might see a fall in criminality  !

Clearly we need more prisons, and yes, I do think that prisons should be a much harsher experience for those who are sent there...!


I remember posting a statistic on another thread a few months ago, which was about how the majority of prisoners who were serving their first actual prison sentence, had a multitude of quite serious previous criminal convictions which they should have had prison sentence, but had not been given any prison sentence for...!


Surely this is part of the problem...!?

Another shot dead...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/london-shooting-murder-dead-leyton-lea-bridge-road-a8991951.html

Prisons should be built and staffed like the Military Prison at Colechester, Only one in a hundred who come out commit further crimes !

Tommy Monk wrote:

nicko wrote:Perhaps if we had more Prisons built as prisons instead of "holiday Camps" and got rid of the Snowflake Judges and Magistrates who have no idea of the World outside their little "Bubbles" and brought in proper sentences to suit the Crimes, we might see a fall in criminality  !

Clearly we need more prisons, and yes, I do think that prisons should be a much harsher experience for those who are sent there...!


I remember posting a statistic on another thread a few months ago, which was about how the majority of prisoners who were serving their first actual prison sentence, had a multitude of quite serious previous criminal convictions which they should have had prison sentence, but had not been given any prison sentence for...!


Surely this is part of the problem...!?

I think prisons should be modeled after the prisons that have been shown to be the most effective at not producing repeat offenders, or giving prisoners an education in criminal skills.

Finsbury Park shooting: Man shot and another stabbed in double attack in north London

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/finsbury-park-stabbing-and-shooting-man-shot-and-another-knifed-in-north-london-a4185276.html

And this in broad daylight on Wednesday afternoon...


https://news.sky.com/story/man-dies-after-being-stabbed-in-broad-daylight-in-southeast-london-11760674

smelly-bandit wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

But the shit-stirrer that started the thread is a righty.  The sole message of the thread is that blacks are unrestrained and lawless.  All rightys, Republicans and Tories are racists.

erm??

blacks ARE unrestrained and lawless

name a single area in the US with a majority black population that is safer, better off economically, educationally,socially, has better employment prospects, lower crimes rates and in general is just better in all areas andaspects of life than a similar areas that have a similar demographic of whites??

you cant.

Once again,  Newsfix's resident scumbag racist neo-nazi proves why every decent minded person on here considers smelly' to be a worthless trolling piece of shit..

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

erm??

blacks ARE unrestrained and lawless

name a single area in the US with a majority black population that is safer, better off economically, educationally,socially, has better employment prospects, lower crimes rates and in general is just better in all areas andaspects of life than a similar areas that have a similar demographic of whites??

you cant.

Once again,  Newsfix's resident scumbag racist neo-nazi proves why every decent minded person on here considers smelly' to be a worthless trolling piece of shit..

So you can't name a single one

A man has been charged with murder of the 8 months pregnant Mum and manslaughter of her baby.

"A man has appeared in court charged with the murder of a pregnant woman and the manslaughter of her baby son.
Aaron McKenzie is accused of murdering 26-year-old Kelly Mary Fauvrelle, who was eight months pregnant, at her home in Thornton Heath, Croydon, on June 29.
He is also accused of killing her infant son. He was named Riley by relatives after paramedics delivered him at the scene, but died in hospital four days later.
McKenzie made his first court appearance at Camberwell Magistrates' Court on Monday.
The 25-year-old, from Peckham, south London, was also charged with possession of a knife. "

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/kelly-mary-fauvrelle-man-accused-of-killing-pregnant-woman-and-baby-son-appears-in-court/ar-AAEmhnS?MSCC=1563212535&ocid=spartandhp