As old taboos fade, new ones are embraced

Tommy Monk wrote:

Jules wrote:

Strange how you have to keep clarifying yourself endlessly, and saying some posters do not 'understand' you.
On the contrary, I think some of us *understand* you only too well.


Why do you find it necessary to mention charities at all?????   
You justify it by saying only fake charities should be targeted.
But once again, I put it to you that there is already provision within the current laws to deal with fake charities.
It is already a serious crime to set up bogus charities, so we don't have to leave the EU in order to be able to deal them.

What do you mean by "we" here...!!!???


Thought you were in Canada/USA...!!!???


So... please explain how the UK leaving the EU includes you... as in "we"...!!!???





And I will clarify my earlier point on "fake charities"... what I mean by this is so called "charities" who aren't really running on monies raised by voluntary donations from willing individuals and/or monies raised through other means of fundraising activities that generate voluntary donations and legitimate revenue streams...

I'm talking about those who are hijacking huge sums of taxpayer funds that are handed to them by govt and councils, without any consent of the taxpayers themselves!!!

nicko wrote:You want to remain in the eu ?

Syl wrote: A picture paints a thousand words.

Jules wrote:

nicko wrote:You want to remain in the eu ?

Well I'm no expert. But I think a halfway compromise could be a less of a shock to our fiscal system.
We could stay in the customs union, but keep our own laws, borders, money.  Best of both worlds?    

Syl wrote: A picture paints a thousand words.

That picture strengthens the point I made. Her charity was suspected of malpractices and the entire board was investigated using the legislation that was ALREADY available. 

Syl wrote:

Jules wrote:
Well I'm no expert. But I think a halfway compromise could be a less of a shock to our fiscal system.
We could stay in the customs union, but keep our own laws, borders, money.  Best of both worlds?    








That picture strengthens the point I made. Her charity was suspected of malpractices and the entire board was investigated using the legislation that was ALREADY available. 

How long did she get away with it and how much money did that 'charity' make before anyone bothered to investigate?

Jules wrote:

Syl wrote:


How long did she get away with it and how much money did that 'charity' make before anyone bothered to investigate?

But what on earth has that got to do with the EU?
Anyway in answer to your question - ask Cameron & co, she was their friend.

Syl wrote:

Jules wrote:

But what on earth has that got to do with the EU?
Anyway in answer to your question - ask Cameron & co, she was their friend.

Errr...it was you who picked up on the charity comment Tommy made. I was merely adding to that.
No need to ask anyone, Cameron was sucked in and ploughed millions into her 'charity' just as so many others were over the years..

Jules wrote:

Syl wrote:

Errr...it was you who picked up on the charity comment Tommy made. I was merely adding to that.
No need to ask anyone, Cameron was sucked in and ploughed millions into her 'charity' just as so many others were over the years..

Yes indeed it was me who picked up on his charity comment. 
I asked him the same question that I have asked you now.
What does a UK charity have to do with the EU??

Syl wrote:

Jules wrote:

Yes indeed it was me who picked up on his charity comment. 
I asked him the same question that I have asked you now.
What does a UK charity have to do with the EU??

Hey Jules, a good thread is like a good conversation, it can meander and branch in different directions.
What has the EU to do with Taboo subjects I may ask you, cos that's what this thread started off about.

Jules wrote:

Syl wrote:

Hey Jules, a good thread is like a good conversation, it can meander and branch in different directions.
What has the EU to do with Taboo subjects I may ask you, cos that's what this thread started off about.

This wasn't just random meandering & branching. TM directly linked charities with the EU and you followed his lead.

Jules wrote:I've no idea why you are getting all excited & rolling your eyes.

He directly linked the subject of charities with Brexit, in the same post.

I still don't know what charities have to do with the EU, fake ones or real.

I can see I'm not going to get an answer, only deflections

Jules wrote:

Syl wrote:

Hey Jules, a good thread is like a good conversation, it can meander and branch in different directions.
What has the EU to do with Taboo subjects I may ask you, cos that's what this thread started off about.

This wasn't just random meandering & branching. TM directly linked charities with the EU and you followed his lead.

Tommy Monk wrote:

Jules wrote:

This wasn't just random meandering & branching. TM directly linked charities with the EU and you followed his lead.

No... it was you who said we don't have to leave the EU to deal with anything... my point on fake charities getting eye watering sums of UK taxpayer cash was part of my earlier post stating my vision for what I want our UK govt to do more of and less of...!


Think you are either getting confused

or are deliberately misrepresenting what I've said... either way, you are wrong!

Jules wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


But, you see everyone who doesn't subscribe exactly to your views as being 'far right'...!


You class many people as being 'popilulist', but you then class 'populist' as also bring 'far right'...!


You class Brexit voters as being 'anti immigrant racist xenophobes' etc, which are things that you also consider to be 'far right' traits...!


I support secular democracy, the complete control of which to be returned to the British people through our national parliament via our democratically elected representatives by us leaving the EU, I want and end to free movement and return to a controlled immigration system where we have a points based system based on skills and our national needs, I also want removal of foreign criminals and tightening up of asylum system... I support the NHS and a welfare system, I want a well funded and less bureaucratic and less politically correct police force, I support our armed services of course, and I also want a trimming down of govt and local govt bureaucracy and huge reduction in wasteful spending on non govt organisations and pet projects and fake charities etc... resulting in more money for our public services and lower taxes for all...!


I also think that our justice system is too soft on crime, and I think we should build more prisons and change the way the whole system works...


Sensible ideas and proposals, you might think...?


But to Andy... I AM A FAR RIGHT NAZI!!!

Most of those laws are in force already.
Foreign criminals are already removed - except for very minor peccadiloes.
Asylum laws are already tight.
The points based system of importing skills is in operation.



And why on earth do you want non govt charities to be abolished? This is totalitarian wickedness on your part, TM.  - I mean..... if you believe in personal freedom, why would  you want to stop people volunteering to raise money for charity in their spare time, thru sponsored walks, crowd funding, etc. 

If you are looking to make savings, why don't you save on the astronomical amounts of funding the MOD gets which totally dwarfs the amounts charities get? 
Simply because you are not fond of the sort of people in society who would need charity in the first place.