Christchurch Shootings

by Maddog Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:15 am

First topic message reminder :

(CNN)Police in the New Zealand city of Christchurch said that there are "multiple fatalities" after active shooters opened fire in two mosques in the city center.

Police Commissioner Mike Bush said that one person is in custody but police are unsure if there are any other suspects.
"As far as we know (the shootings occurred) at two locations, a mosque at Deans Avenue, and another mosque at Linwood Avenue," Bush said. "We are unsure if there are any other locations outside of that area that are under threat."
Bush said they were "dealing with a very serious and tragic series of events in the Christchurch Canterbury area" and warned people to stay off the streets. He asked "anyone who was thinking of going to a mosque anywhere in New Zealand today not to go. To close your doors until you hear from us again," he said.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/14/asia/christchurch-mosque-shooting-intl/index.html

Kind seemed like this little corner of the world was free from this nonsense.

Guess not. Guess it can happen anywhere.

by Raggamuffin Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:54 pm

Just start a thread in the correct forum if you want an obituary thread, but just stop mithering about it.

by JulesV Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:01 pm

You're barking out orders to the wind.
Cos I'm done with the topic - & I signalled that.

by Raggamuffin Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:06 pm

Jules wrote:You're barking out orders to the wind.
Cos I'm done with the topic - & I signalled that.

You're only done after several posts about it. You don't get to decide when I should stop posting about it. As for "orders", you practically ordered Smelly to stop posting in such a manner.

by SEXY MAMA Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:11 pm

I knew the usual shit that will come out of this from certain posters.
They call all fuck off to be honest

by Tommy Monk Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:25 pm

"...Brenton Tarrant cites Oswald Mosley as main influence in manifesto published..."

https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-zealand-killer-says-his-role-model-was-nazi-allied-british-fascist/amp/

Mosley went from being a Tory, to an independent, to being labour... then went even further left to being a fascist...

by Guest Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:37 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

"...Brenton Tarrant cites Oswald Mosley as main influence in manifesto published..."

https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-zealand-killer-says-his-role-model-was-nazi-allied-british-fascist/amp/

Mosley went from being a Tory, to an independent, to being labour... then went even further left to being a fascist...

More gobbledygook by Tommy

Fascism is Far right

White Supremacy is Far right

The terrorist was Far right.

So your claim makes no sense. As why would a Far right white Supremacist cite someone you believe to be far left?

by Tommy Monk Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:42 pm

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

by Tommy Monk Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:42 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

"...Brenton Tarrant cites Oswald Mosley as main influence in manifesto published..."

https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-zealand-killer-says-his-role-model-was-nazi-allied-british-fascist/amp/

Mosley went from being a Tory, to an independent, to being labour... then went even further left to being a fascist...

by Guest Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:44 pm

So Tommy has enacted his default tommybot mode, Far right apologist version 3.0

by Ben Reilly Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:48 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:It's all the over the newspapers that the guy at the door to the mosque called out , Welcome Brother, or some such. I watched that video twice in it's entirety and nobody said that. You see the man in the mosque doorway turn to see the shooter with his gun raised, and then he gets shot. He doesn't say a word. Why would he? You'd say Welcome brother, to someone pointing a gun at you? More media manipulation.

It happens around the 38 second mark in the video; sounds more to me like "Hello, brother."

by Tommy Monk Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:50 pm

Sounds like he says "no, brother"... not "hello brother"...

by Raggamuffin Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:50 pm

Where is this video?

by Tommy Monk Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:53 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Where is this video?

I don't know where to find it online... but it is being shared around on whatsapp... and likely too on other social media platforms...

by Raggamuffin Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:56 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Where is this video?

I don't know where to find it online... but it is being shared around on whatsapp... and likely too on other social media platforms...

Ta Tommy. I don't have whatsapp.

by Guest Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:00 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Sounds like he says "no, brother"... not "hello brother"...

So the ambiguous part is the no and hello, as they sound similar

You both agree he said brother though, which is term of being part of the same family, humans.

Which is a very warmful way to view someone

by Guest Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:22 pm

phildidge wrote:
Eilzel wrote:

And why do you think that is?

This doesn't hold true for a lot crime and murder ridden Latin American countries btw.

Yes it does hold true, as we are talking about terrorism

We do no get to see when murders happen in many countries

But terrorist events are broadcast differently, dependent on he country, when its a western civilization compared to the Middle East/Asia etc

To further prove this point how the media is poor at relating stories and people are making a good point here

In Nigeria alone 120 Christians have been murdered this year and their homes destroyed. This has not seen main media hardly even report this. Even though children have also been murdered. Only a human rights Christian organisation is reporting this

https://www.csw.org.uk/2019/03/14/press/4249/article.htm

At least 3000 Christians were killed last year and yet you dont hear about this

https://www.opendoorsuk.org/persecution/trends/

What the media did report on is how a school collapsed killing 20 children in the same country

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-nigeria-school/nigeria-school-building-collapse-killed-20-lagos-health-official-idUKKCN1QW1QR

So you have to ask the question, as to why some lives are valued less within the media?

by Guest Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:28 pm

'I'm no hero': Father, 48, caught up in Christchurch mosque massacre reveals how he grabbed killer's rifle and smashed his car window forcing him to flee - bringing to an end brutal rampage that left 49 dead

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6816537/Father-caught-Christchurch-mosque-attack-picked-credit-card-machine-threw-terrorist.html

by Guest Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:47 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:It's all the over the newspapers that the guy at the door to the mosque called out , Welcome Brother, or some such. I watched that video twice in it's entirety and nobody said that. You see the man in the mosque doorway turn to see the shooter with his gun raised, and then he gets shot. He doesn't say a word. Why would he? You'd say Welcome brother, to someone pointing a gun at you? More media manipulation.

Muslims often call their mosques their barracks and very frequently store weapons in mosques.

The guy Could have thought he was a fellow Muslim. Coming to prey before going out to kills some infidels.

SURPRISE COCKFACE!!!

by Tommy Monk Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:42 pm

phildidge wrote:'I'm no hero': Father, 48, caught up in Christchurch mosque massacre reveals how he grabbed killer's rifle and smashed his car window forcing him to flee - bringing to an end brutal rampage that left 49 dead

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6816537/Father-caught-Christchurch-mosque-attack-picked-credit-card-machine-threw-terrorist.html

Well... I've seen the 17 minute video and I didn't see that happen...!

by Guest Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:11 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
phildidge wrote:'I'm no hero': Father, 48, caught up in Christchurch mosque massacre reveals how he grabbed killer's rifle and smashed his car window forcing him to flee - bringing to an end brutal rampage that left 49 dead

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6816537/Father-caught-Christchurch-mosque-attack-picked-credit-card-machine-threw-terrorist.html

Well... I've seen the 17 minute video and I didn't see that happen...!

Is this the same understanding you have on history. Where you are a Far right apologist for Nazism and Facism?
Claiming they are left wing?

You never witnessed that part of history and yet you buy into far right apologist idiots, that wish to deflect the real hate from Far right wing politics

The daily mail reporters would also have watched the video

Are you claiming the Daily Mail is unreliable?

by HoratioTarr Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:21 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Where is this video?

IT was on You Tube

by Guest Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:23 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Sounds like he says "no, brother"... not "hello brother"...

i watched it

he does say hello brother

at least that what it definitely sounds like

by Tommy Monk Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:23 pm

phildidge wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

Well... I've seen the 17 minute video and I didn't see that happen...!

Is this the same understanding you have on history. Where you are a Far right apologist for Nazism and Facism?
Claiming they are left wing?

You never witnessed that part of history and yet you buy into far right apologist idiots, that wish to deflect the real hate from Far right wing politics

The daily mail reporters would also have watched the video

Are you claiming the Daily Mail is unreliable?

I'm not apologising for anything... just clarifying the facts...

I've watched a 17 min video of his barbaric attack... and I never saw any of what is claimed above...!

Either there is more video footage that I have not seen... or the above claim is bullshit...!

by Guest Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:26 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
phildidge wrote:

Is this the same understanding you have on history. Where you are a Far right apologist for Nazism and Facism?
Claiming they are left wing?

You never witnessed that part of history and yet you buy into far right apologist idiots, that wish to deflect the real hate from Far right wing politics

The daily mail reporters would also have watched the video

Are you claiming the Daily Mail is unreliable?

I'm not apologising for anything... just clarifying the facts...

I've watched a 17 min video of his barbaric attack... and I never saw any of what is claimed above...!

Either there is more video footage that I have not seen... or the above claim is bullshit...!

You are an apologist because only apologists try to detract from the fact Nazism and Fascism are Far right

So did the Dail Mail reporters watch the video

So are you claiming the Daily Mail is unreliable

Yes or No?

by Tommy Monk Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:26 pm

gelico wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Sounds like he says "no, brother"... not "hello brother"...

i watched it

he does say hello brother

at least that what it definitely sounds like

Sounds like "no, brother" in the 17 min video that I've seen...

And is much more likely that he would have said "no, brother" if bring approached by a man pointing a gun at him...!

by Raggamuffin Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:27 pm

phildidge wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

Well... I've seen the 17 minute video and I didn't see that happen...!

Is this the same understanding you have on history. Where you are a Far right apologist for Nazism and Facism?
Claiming they are left wing?

You never witnessed that part of history and yet you buy into far right apologist idiots, that wish to deflect the real hate from Far right wing politics

The daily mail reporters would also have watched the video

Are you claiming the Daily Mail is unreliable?

The Daily Mail unreliable? Surely not. Shocked

by Raggamuffin Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:28 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Where is this video?

IT was on You Tube

I don't think it's there now - I guess they keep pulling it.

by Guest Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:29 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
gelico wrote:

i watched it

he does say hello brother

at least that what it definitely sounds like

Sounds like "no, brother" in the 17 min video that I've seen...

And is much more likely that he would have said "no, brother" if bring approached by a man pointing a gun at him...!

Prime example of a subconscious anti-Muslim bias to me

You have two people, and also me, disagree with you on this and all having watched the video

Do you think your subconscious bias is what is not allowing you to admit you could be mistaken here?

There is no way Gelico would have a subconscious bias here

Your second sentence shows to me, you are not allowing yourself to open up to the possibility that hello was the word, because you are basing this on how you think you would react yourself. Hence poor reasoning

by Guest Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:30 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
phildidge wrote:

Is this the same understanding you have on history. Where you are a Far right apologist for Nazism and Facism?
Claiming they are left wing?

You never witnessed that part of history and yet you buy into far right apologist idiots, that wish to deflect the real hate from Far right wing politics

The daily mail reporters would also have watched the video

Are you claiming the Daily Mail is unreliable?

The Daily Mail unreliable? Surely not.

I think its fairly reliable, but ultimately right wing biased

by Tommy Monk Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:30 pm

phildidge wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

I'm not apologising for anything... just clarifying the facts...

I've watched a 17 min video of his barbaric attack... and I never saw any of what is claimed above...!

Either there is more video footage that I have not seen... or the above claim is bullshit...!

You are an apologist because only apologists try to detract from the fact Nazism and Fascism are Far right

So did the Dail Mail reporters watch the video

So are you claiming the Daily Mail is unreliable

Yes or No?

I've seen a 17 min video... and what is claimed in the above daily mail article, can not be seen on the video I saw...!

That is all I can say.

by Guest Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:31 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
phildidge wrote:

You are an apologist because only apologists try to detract from the fact Nazism and Fascism are Far right

So did the Dail Mail reporters watch the video

So are you claiming the Daily Mail is unreliable

Yes or No?

I've seen a 17 min video... and what is claimed in the above daily mail article, can not be seen on the video I saw...!

That is all I can say.

That never answered my question, did it?

by Guest Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:39 pm

you can see it here

https://www.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

WARNING

it is incredibly graphic

when i watched it i didn't feel anything at all. it was like watching one of the boys playing tour of duty or whatever.

i think there was a large section of my brain that just refused to believe that was real, despite coming under ''breaking news'' headlines

there's some sad sick psycho fuckers in the world and no mistake

by Tommy Monk Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:43 pm

phildidge wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

I've seen a 17 min video... and what is claimed in the above daily mail article, can not be seen on the video I saw...!

That is all I can say.

That never answered my question, did it?

I can't speak for the daily mail, or their reporters, and I can't say what the reporters did/didn't do...

All I can say is this...

I've seen a 17 min video of his barbaric attack... and what is claimed in the above daily mail article, can not be seen on the 17 min video I saw...!

So... either there is a bit more footage out there that I haven't seen, and which shows the events claimed by the daily mail article... or... the daily mail article claim is pure bullshit...!

I can't be any clearer than that!

by HoratioTarr Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:43 pm

gelico wrote:you can see it here

https://www.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

WARNING

it is incredibly graphic

when i watched it i didn't feel anything at all. it was like watching one of the boys playing tour of duty or whatever.

i think there was a large section of my brain that just refused to believe that was real, despite coming under ''breaking news'' headlines

there's some sad sick psycho fuckers in the world and no mistake

That's exactly how it made me feel...that it was surreal. It's not at all like most people think it will be, like in a movie. It was almost clinical and utterly heartless. Which somehow makes it all the more horrific.

by Andy Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:48 pm

Man, 24, arrested for 'supporting' New Zealand terror attack on social media

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/new-zealand-shooting-man-24-14145928#ICID=Android_TMNewsApp_AppShare

by Guest Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:48 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
phildidge wrote:

That never answered my question, did it?

I can't speak for the daily mail, or their reporters, and I can't say what the reporters did/didn't do...

All I can say is this...

I've seen a 17 min video of his barbaric attack... and what is claimed in the above daily mail article, can not be seen on the 17 min video I saw...!

So... either there is a bit more footage out there that I haven't seen, and which shows the events claimed by the daily mail article... or... the daily mail article claim is pure bullshit...!

I can't be any clearer than that!

Dodged the question again

I know you said what you have seen, so do you think the daily Mail is lying

Yes or no?

Its a simple yes or no answer

by HoratioTarr Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:52 pm

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:It's all the over the newspapers that the guy at the door to the mosque called out , Welcome Brother, or some such. I watched that video twice in it's entirety and nobody said that. You see the man in the mosque doorway turn to see the shooter with his gun raised, and then he gets shot. He doesn't say a word. Why would he? You'd say Welcome brother, to someone pointing a gun at you? More media manipulation.

It happens around the 38 second mark in the video; sounds more to me like "Hello, brother."

It doesn't sound like anything at all. But now that it's been suggested that he said Hello Brother, then people will hear it. Particularly, if they want to believe it. I just can't hear it at all, and I've listened to it with headphones on.

by Guest Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:55 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

It happens around the 38 second mark in the video; sounds more to me like "Hello, brother."

It doesn't sound like anything at all. But now that it's been suggested that he said Hello Brother, then people will hear it. Particularly, if they want to believe it. I just can't hear it at all, and I've listened to it with headphones on.

Its as clear as day if you listen out for this and turn up the volume

The problem we have here, is nobody has seen footage of the shooting at the second Mosque. I suspect his phone went dead by that point, but its clear at the end of the video, he is about to start shooting again after driving to a new location

We only have seen footage of the first Mosque

People forget that Two Mosques were taregted here and hence why people are simple going off the one footage they have seen

Hence why people are not actually reading the accounts of the attack

by Raggamuffin Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:58 pm

Thanks gelico. I really can't hear what the poor chap at the door said.

by Guest Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:00 pm

https://www.businessinsider.sg/christchurch-shooting-timeline-49-killed-new-zealand-mosques-2019-3/

This shows why people need to read the actual events of what happened

by Raggamuffin Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:06 pm

Was that really a semi-automatic? It was more like an automatic.

by Tommy Monk Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:44 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
gelico wrote:you can see it here

https://www.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

WARNING

it is incredibly graphic

when i watched it i didn't feel anything at all. it was like watching one of the boys playing tour of duty or whatever.

i think there was a large section of my brain that just refused to believe that was real, despite coming under ''breaking news'' headlines

there's some sad sick psycho fuckers in the world and no mistake

That's exactly how it made me feel...that it was surreal. It's not at all like most people think it will be, like in a movie. It was almost clinical and utterly heartless. Which somehow makes it all the more horrific.

The 17 min video that I've seen, shows a few mins of what was happening before the point of the start of the video in the above link...

In the bit that I've seen, it starts off with the man being in the car and the car is stationary... it can be seen that there are a number of assault rifle/shotgun looking type weapons laid out on the passenger seat to the left of him... three I think... and another one on his right down between his legs and the drivers door...

Most of these weapons are covered in strange writings/symbols in what looks like white "tippex"... and it can also be seen that he has some other things attached to the front of his waist that are also covered in white "writings/symbols"...

The number "14" can be seen in a few places... and a symbol that looks like a #... but made up of three lines crossing horizontally and vertically, instead of just the two lines that are seen in the # symbol...

I would be interested to know what all of this writing was... as well as what the music was that was playing in this earlier bit of footage too...

The music was not something I recognised at all... sounded like an acordion with a man singing in a foreign language... like some sort of obscure folk music of some kind...

And another strange thing that I noticed... during the man's drive from the start of the video, to the point where he pulls up at the mosque... he pulls over and stops for about half a minute... and not only is it that it was this point where he removes his head cam and points it towards his own face... but it also appears to be the only bit of the video footage where there is no sound at all... it looks very much like the sound has been deliberately removed from this part of the footage by someone for some reason...!

by Raggamuffin Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:46 pm

What did he say when he was shooting down the side entrance?

by Tommy Monk Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:49 pm

Also... in the 17 min vid I've seen... the man drives off from the first mosque... and carries on driving for a while... until he slows down at a second location and starts shooting at pedestrians in this area, along a stretch of pavement...

He doesn't get out of the car here... but drives off again after shooting at several people here...

And he is then seen driving for a few mins more...

by Guest Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:19 pm

Didn't take em long to start blaming the god emperor trump

by Guest Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:30 pm

gelico wrote:you can see it here

https://www.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

WARNING

it is incredibly graphic

when i watched it i didn't feel anything at all. it was like watching one of the boys playing tour of duty or whatever.

i think there was a large section of my brain that just refused to believe that was real, despite coming under ''breaking news'' headlines

there's some sad sick psycho fuckers in the world and no mistake

I have doubts about this

There are very serious inconsistencies in this video compared to what the MSM is saying

by 'Wolfie Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:07 am

FOUR scumbag and censure

Suspect

censored as irrelevant and inflamatory MOD LF

by HoratioTarr Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:16 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

That's exactly how it made me feel...that it was surreal. It's not at all like most people think it will be, like in a movie. It was almost clinical and utterly heartless. Which somehow makes it all the more horrific.

The 17 min video that I've seen, shows a few mins of what was happening before the point of the start of the video in the above link...

In the bit that I've seen, it starts off with the man being in the car and the car is stationary... it can be seen that there are a number of assault rifle/shotgun looking type weapons laid out on the passenger seat to the left of him... three I think... and another one on his right down between his legs and the drivers door...

Most of these weapons are covered in strange writings/symbols in what looks like white "tippex"... and it can also be seen that he has some other things attached to the front of his waist that are also covered in white "writings/symbols"...

The number "14" can be seen in a few places... and a symbol that looks like a #... but made up of three lines crossing horizontally and vertically, instead of just the two lines that are seen in the # symbol...

I would be interested to know what all of this writing was... as well as what the music was that was playing in this earlier bit of footage too...

The music was not something I recognised at all... sounded like an acordion with a man singing in a foreign language... like some sort of obscure folk music of some kind...

And another strange thing that I noticed... during the man's drive from the start of the video, to the point where he pulls up at the mosque... he pulls over and stops for about half a minute... and not only is it that it was this point where he removes his head cam and points it towards his own face... but it also appears to be the only bit of the video footage where there is no sound at all... it looks very much like the sound has been deliberately removed from this part of the footage by someone for some reason...!

I watched the whole video on Friday. It started off with him in his car driving to the mosque, and showing his face to the camera. The writing on the guns is to do with terrorist atrocities and the Rotherham abuse case. I guess in his twisted mind, he thought this justified his own atrocity. There's just no accounting for why these people do this, anymore than any radical extremist does. They all come out of the same mould. Not wired right.

by Guest Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:20 am

smelly-bandit wrote:
gelico wrote:you can see it here

https://www.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

WARNING

it is incredibly graphic

when i watched it i didn't feel anything at all. it was like watching one of the boys playing tour of duty or whatever.

i think there was a large section of my brain that just refused to believe that was real, despite coming under ''breaking news'' headlines

there's some sad sick psycho fuckers in the world and no mistake

I have doubts about this

There are very serious inconsistencies in this video compared to what the MSM is saying

what doubts?

what is the MSM saying?

by HoratioTarr Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:20 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

FOUR scumbag censure
censored as irrelevant and inflamatory MOD LF

I'd like to know how I've defended the attackers. In fact, your lies are defamatory and hate filled to the extreme, you nasty bitter old fuck. I've a good mind to post this all over Twitter with a link to this place and your forum name in Capitals.

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