Chris Williamson suspended from Labour after claiming party has been 'too apologetic' over anti-Semitism

Chris Williamson has been suspended from the Labour party after claiming Labour had been “too apologetic” over anti-Semitism.

Mr Williamson, a longterm ally of Jeremy Corbyn, was widely condemned for the comments, made at an event last night. Today pressure increasingly mounted on the Labour leader to take action.

Tom Watson, Labour’s deputy, had written to the party’s chief whip, Nick Brown, requesting that he remove the whip from Chris Williamson, the MP for Derby North.

Dozens of Labour MPs also demanded action after a video emerged of Mr Williamson criticising the party for being too conciliatory towards the Jewish community.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/02/27/labour-mps-demand-corbyn-ally-suspended-claiming-party-has-apologetic/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47393626

Which is the problem with those who are Far left within the Labour party.
They are emphatically antisemitic and this proves it. How he can down play antisemitism and says its wrong to apologise over this. Is seeing once again a stance that formed in Russia itself the Pogroms and the antisemitic Elders of Zion.

These Far left are unapologetic of Russia and Putin, just as the Far right are. Where there was plenty of antisemiticm under Communism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_Soviet_Union

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/01/shame-of-anitsemitism-on-left-has-long-malign-history

These are people within Labour that hold power, that are also unapologetic of their support for Communism and the latest socialist disaster in venezuela. Its why I am not surpised that Labour has nose dived in the polls and the small break away group of MP's is polling very close behind them

.https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/jeremy-corbyn/news/102107/labour-slump-13-points-behind

about time that antisemitic thug was kicked out entirely. Of course he will be found entirely innocent fairly quickly and the Gauleiter will be back to oversee labours final solution for their jewish problem.

The Devil, You Know wrote:about time that antisemitic thug was kicked out entirely. Of course he will be found entirely innocent fairly quickly and the Gauleiter will be back to oversee labours final solution for their jewish problem.

Come on mate. Its never going to happen is it, that he is kicked out?

He will get a slapped wrist at best. Only Tom Watson has an ounce of decency over dealing with this antisemitism that is rife within the far left of the Labour Party

And as usual Jackie walker has come out in his defense using antisemitic troupes

https://order-order.com/2019/02/28/jackie-walker-shares-anti-semitic-imagery-defending-chris-williamson/

The only silver linning here, is that Coryn, will ensure he is never elected over his blatant defense of antisemites. The country clearly does not support him

I fully concur, Corbyn needs all the henchmen he can.

If he was talking about still apologising for antisemitism from the past  he would have a point, people have to move on, unfortunately since Corbyn emerged antisemitism seems to once again be alive and well and flourishing amongst the Labour party.
He seems to be in denial....sack him, along with Corbyn.

Syl wrote:If he was talking about still apologising for antisemitism from the past  he would have a point, people have to move on, unfortunately since Corbyn emerged antisemitism seems to once again be alive and well and flourishing amongst the Labour party.
He seems to be in denial....sack him, along with Corbyn.

Interesting, as how would that be a point, when people are still alive today who suffered in the holocasut?

So are those that were complict in the Holocaust

Many have never seen justice for the crimes of the holocaust

Many lost their homes, even the survivors of the Holocaust. Their homes were taken over by others and they had no where to come back to

Do you think those who lost their homes should move on or receice compensation

So how should they move on, when their very families were murdered and all their possessions taken from them?

Many have actually moved on, but we still need to remember this as a lesson in history of hate

That is not even what the issue was here

It was the Far left playing down their vile antisemitism, that they display everyday

They again invoke antisemitism and think its being created by Israeli Jews, through an antisemitic conspiracy

it seems the antismites in the party want it overturned
https://www.change.org/p/the-labour-party-lift-the-suspension-of-chris-williamson?recruiter=454598030&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial.pacific_post_sap_share_gmail_abi.gmail_abi&utm_term=psf_combo_share_initial.pacific_post_sap_share_gmail_abi.gmail_abi&recruited_by_id=eb873950-abbb-11e5-a1a8-43326a25bf4b

My view is to be continuously apologising for past wrongs from many decades ago just keeps  resentment alive.

Never forget, learn lessons....move on....ensure the same mistakes are never made again.
Thats not happening because after many years of antisemitism not being a problem here, it's now reared it's ugly head again, and action should be taken to wipe it out....hence my previous post.

Syl wrote:My view is to be continuously apologising for past wrongs from many decades ago just keeps  resentment alive.

Learn lessons....move on....ensure the same mistakes are never made again.
Thats not happening because after many years of antisemitism not being a problem here, it's now reared it's ugly head again, and action should be taken to wipe it out....hence my previous post.

Come again?

So you think talking about historical mass murder, keeps resentment against Jews alive?

Is not the reality there, that the lesson has not been learnt?

That we see this very hate centered on the only TRUE safe space for Jews in the world called israel?

As many on the far left want to see this country destroyed.

How they claim its about perseuction of Palestinians, but never care that actually in Lebanon, that Palestinians, actually have no rights to jobs, homes, citizenship etc. Yet they do in israel? It shows these people are inherantly antisemitic. As they clearly do not really cae at all about Palestinians. They only care about hating Jews

The point is talking about history to learn from this, in order, that it never happens again

It was never even the case here and hence have no idea, why you would even bring that up, because the reality is. If antisemitism is rearing its ugly hate again today. Then history has certainly not been learnt from, has it Syl?

Now we can go even further back and in so many places in history, where Jews have been persecuted, butchered, raped and ethnically cleansed. In more places and time, than any other group of people

So would you not agree, that clearly, those past wrongs are not being learnt and that we have to even more continually talk about them?

Syl wrote:My view is to be continuously apologising for past wrongs from many decades ago just keeps  resentment alive.

Never forget, learn lessons....move on....ensure the same mistakes are never made again.
Thats not happening because after many years of antisemitism not being a problem here, it's now reared it's ugly head again, and action should be taken to wipe it out....hence my previous post.

it's about the antisemitsm in the party now that is the problem.

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Syl wrote:My view is to be continuously apologising for past wrongs from many decades ago just keeps  resentment alive.

Never forget, learn lessons....move on....ensure the same mistakes are never made again.
Thats not happening because after many years of antisemitism not being a problem here, it's now reared it's ugly head again, and action should be taken to wipe it out....hence my previous post.

it's about the antisemitsm in the party now that is the problem.

Thats exactly what I said in my first post.

Syl wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
it's about the antisemitsm in the party now that is the problem.

Thats exactly what I said in my first post.

So that antisemitism clearly shows, that they are not learning from crimes like the Holocaust, are they?

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Syl wrote:My view is to be continuously apologising for past wrongs from many decades ago just keeps  resentment alive.

Never forget, learn lessons....move on....ensure the same mistakes are never made again.
Thats not happening because after many years of antisemitism not being a problem here, it's now reared it's ugly head again, and action should be taken to wipe it out....hence my previous post.

it's about the antisemitsm in the party now that is the problem.

Thats exactly what I said in my first post.

Thor wrote:

Syl wrote:My view is to be continuously apologising for past wrongs from many decades ago just keeps  resentment alive.

Learn lessons....move on....ensure the same mistakes are never made again.
Thats not happening because after many years of antisemitism not being a problem here, it's now reared it's ugly head again, and action should be taken to wipe it out....hence my previous post.

Come again?

So you think talking about historical mass murder, keeps resentment against Jews alive?

Is not the reality there, that the lesson has not been learnt?

That we see this very hate centered on the only TRUE safe space for Jews in the world called israel?

As many on the far left want to see this country destroyed.

How they claim its about perseuction of Palestinians, but never care that actually in Lebanon, that Palestinians, actually have no rights to jobs, homes, citizenship etc. Yet they do in israel? It shows these people are inherantly antisemitic. As they clearly do not really cae at all about Palestinians. They only care about hating Jews

The point is talking about history to learn from this, in order, that it never happens again

It was never even the case here and hence have no idea, why you would even bring that up, because the reality is. If antisemitism is rearing its ugly hate again today. Then history has certainly not been learnt from, has it Syl?

Now we can go even further back and in so many places in history, where Jews have been persecuted, butchered, raped and ethnically cleansed. In more places and time, than any other group of people

So would you not agree, that clearly, those past wrongs are not being learnt and that we have to even more continually talk about them?

I guess ome people cannot back up their previously poor points

The view clearly here, is that the problems are connected

People are not learning from the Holocaust and committing the same vile hate as before

Thor wrote:

Syl wrote:

Thats exactly what I said in my first post.

So that antisemitism clearly shows, that they are not learning from crimes like the Holocaust, are they?

They?
The anti sematics of today are different from decades ago....root out the PRESENT problem and deal with it.
I didnt say dont talk and discuss by the way....I said stop apologising for the sins of the fathers....well great grandfathers actually.

Syl wrote:

Thor wrote:


So that antisemitism clearly shows, that they are not learning from crimes like the Holocaust, are they?

They?
The anti sematics of today are different from decades ago....root out the PRESENT problem and deal with it.
I didnt say dont talk and discuss by the way....I said stop apologising for the sins of the fathers....well great grandfathers actually.

Which shows you have no comrpehension of how antisemitism mutates like a virus

The way to root it out is to get to the very core which is the same every single time

A hate of Jews

You need to challenge that hate, which has come in many different forms

before it was based on their religion

Later it was based on them being seen as an inferior race

Now its based on them having self determination through a nation state

Each time the same antisemitism unfolds

A hate of Jews

How can apolgising for something, then not be meant, when that hate is still rife today?

Clearly, there is no apology and its nothing more than a red herring, when its not being said by antisemities

That hate is very real and the very same from the past

A wish to eradicate Jews

An educational video for you Syl



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UAcYn4uUbs

I have my view you have yours....simplest solution imo is to expose and deal with the people in power who are peddling this kind of hate in this country.

History can only repeat itself if people ignore warning signs and allow hatred to grow, my solution is above.

Syl wrote:I have my view you have yours....simplest solution imo is to expose and deal with the people in power who are peddling this kind of hate in this country.

History can only repeat itself if people ignore warning signs and allow hatred to grow, my solution is above.

Its really not a case of views, when we are seeing globally the same age old problems of antisemitism. Is it?

I would say that is yourself not understanding the problem

Hence I ask politely, that you watch the video and understand why

People are ignoring warning signs. When they call for the destruction of Israel

What do you think that will mean for the Jews living there?

Already a future palestinian state, calls for No jews to be allowed to live in such a state

Even Hitler never accomplished that and you donot see the connection?

Maybe a history of learning about the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and Hitler may help you understand this

The reality is Jews suffer discrimination world over

I wonder why Ickle Owen Jones went back and amended an old essay


the article as it is now
https://medium.com/@OwenJones84/delegitimising-the-british-left-90eacd0d1837

Syl wrote:I have my view you have yours....simplest solution imo is to expose and deal with the people in power who are peddling this kind of hate in this country.

History can only repeat itself if people ignore warning signs and allow hatred to grow, my solution is above.

A point of principle that is becoming increasingly lost in this forum.

There are people here who appear to regard their personal opinions as being akin to holy writ.

Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Syl wrote:I have my view you have yours....simplest solution imo is to expose and deal with the people in power who are peddling this kind of hate in this country.

History can only repeat itself if people ignore warning signs and allow hatred to grow, my solution is above.

A point of principle that is becoming increasingly lost in this forum.

There are people here who appear to regard their personal opinions as being akin to holy writ.

much like free speech, only my speech should be free and yours should be suppressed.
( I of course use "you and I" in the general sense before anyone thinks I might be talking about them)

Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Syl wrote:I have my view you have yours....simplest solution imo is to expose and deal with the people in power who are peddling this kind of hate in this country.

History can only repeat itself if people ignore warning signs and allow hatred to grow, my solution is above.

A point of principle that is becoming increasingly lost in this forum.

There are people here who appear to regard their personal opinions as being akin to holy writ.

Do they?

Or is this yourself also believeing so?

How is pointing out how antisemitism is growng again surely an example of how the holocaust has not been learnt from and even more that we know many young people are ignornant of this crime in history today?

Does that have anything to do with a view that is a holy writ, or you looking to defend stupidity of poor peoples opinions?

Now if you think i am wrong, I am all ears, but please spare me the false moral high ground, when you actually cannot confront my view point

I call that the actions of a gutless coward, that speaks around people to attempt to get at them

So in your own time, please explain why my views were wrong here, if you believe they were

i welcome your views and will respect you reasoning if I am wrong

If not, then you prove to be no more than shit stirrring

Your choice

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Fred Moletrousers wrote:

A point of principle that is becoming increasingly lost in this forum.

There are people here who appear to regard their personal opinions as being akin to holy writ.

much like free speech, only my speech should be free and yours should be suppressed.
( I of course use "you and I" in the general sense before anyone thinks I might be talking about them)

Really and whatt speech has been surpressed in any view by anyone here?

Talk abaout a false equivalency

All i see is when someone is taken to task on their views, people like yourself and Fred, talk around people and invent things that never actually happened in this thread

Eiether this is a debate forum, or the pair of you are the ones trying to shut down discussion, by immature views

Thor wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
much like free speech, only my speech should be free and yours should be suppressed.
( I of course use "you and I" in the general sense before anyone thinks I might be talking about them)

Really and whatt speech has been surpressed in any view by anyone here?

Talk abaout a false equivalency

All i see is when someone is taken to task on their views, people like yourself and Fred, talk around people and invent things that never actually happened in this thread

Eiether this is a debate forum, or the pair of you are the ones trying to shut down discussion, by immature views

Since you have chosen to introduce my name, would you care to explain where and how I "...talk round people and invent things that never actually happen in this thread."?

My response was directly in relation to a comment made by Syl.

You might also care to illustrate exactly how I am "...trying to shut down discussion."

Your own continuous use of such adjectives as "poor" and "immature" to describe the views of other posters
is, I suggest, an indication your own contemptuous attitude to the opinions of others.

Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Thor wrote:

Really and whatt speech has been surpressed in any view by anyone here?

Talk abaout a false equivalency

All i see is when someone is taken to task on their views, people like yourself and Fred, talk around people and invent things that never actually happened in this thread

Eiether this is a debate forum, or the pair of you are the ones trying to shut down discussion, by immature views

Since you have chosen to introduce my name, would you care to explain where and how I "...talk round people and invent things that never actually happen in this thread."?

My response was directly in relation to a comment made by Syl.

You might also care to illustrate exactly how I am "...trying to shut down discussion."

Your own continuous use of such adjectives as "poor" and "immature" to describe the views of other posters  
is, I suggest, an indication your own contemptuous attitude to the opinions of others.

Who else was she talking to, with you replying to her reply?

So who were you referring to, when her reply was to me?

If i am wrong, I will apologise

Also did you even follow the thread?

So yes if you are referring to posters this way, no matter me, that is very immature

As its an assumption on your part and a poor one that looks down on other posters

That you will not get an apology over

Syl is welcome to her views, but if she engages as she did in the debate, she has to understand people will challenge here and push her on her views with reason

That is all I did here

If she wants to bow out, good luck to her

Thor wrote:

Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Since you have chosen to introduce my name, would you care to explain where and how I "...talk round people and invent things that never actually happen in this thread."?

My response was directly in relation to a comment made by Syl.

You might also care to illustrate exactly how I am "...trying to shut down discussion."

Your own continuous use of such adjectives as "poor" and "immature" to describe the views of other posters  
is, I suggest, an indication your own contemptuous attitude to the opinions of others.

Who else was she talking to, with you replying to her reply?

So who were you referring to, when her reply was to me?

If i am wrong, I will apologise

Also did you even follow the thread?

So yes if you are referring to posters this way, no matter me, that is very immature

As its an assumption on your part and a poor one that looks down on other posters

That you will not get an apology over

Syl is welcome to her views, but if she engages as she did in the debate, she has to understand people will challenge here and push her on her views with reason

That is all I did here

If she wants to bow out, good luck to her

I am not asking for an apology - from you or anyone else, for that matter.

Syl is perfectly capable of answering for herself, and more than capable of dealing with your interventions.

I require no lessons either in forum procedure or etiquette from you.

Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Thor wrote:

Who else was she talking to, with you replying to her reply?

So who were you referring to, when her reply was to me?

If i am wrong, I will apologise

Also did you even follow the thread?

So yes if you are referring to posters this way, no matter me, that is very immature

As its an assumption on your part and a poor one that looks down on other posters

That you will not get an apology over

Syl is welcome to her views, but if she engages as she did in the debate, she has to understand people will challenge here and push her on her views with reason

That is all I did here

If she wants to bow out, good luck to her

I am not asking for an apology -  from you or anyone else, for that matter.

Syl is perfectly capable of answering for herself, and more than capable of dealing with your interventions.

I require no lessons either in forum procedure or etiquette  from you.

And yet are happy to judge others with said view around a moral status

That is called hypocrisy, which is a bitter pill to swallow, from someone I respect

So i will explain, why i think Syls position is poor on this and has never worked in history

I have stuided history and antisemitism for years and why I have always felt strongly on this and racism

Sorry if that bothers people, but I have at least earnt the position to actually understand this better than most on here. If people disagree, that is up to you to show otherwise

As each time and many times in history we have seen antisemitism which comes in many forms and always. It ends up to late for people to actually act.

Its always downplayed (which not claiming she did here), but it is never seen for the actual real threat that it becomes, until it is too late.

Most of this is being born today, not from the Far right, but the Far left. That believe in a leftist concept called intersectionality. Which does not place racism based on racial discrmination, but based on a view of power. This does not mean for one minute we should not also look at far right antisemitism and also islamic antisemitism. They are as bad

Hence the view is people see by their skin colour in power can not suffer oppression or hate. Its a fallacy argument that places people of white skin at the bottom of this pecking order. Where being that half the worlds Jews are classed as white (the rest are mainly middle eastern and some are Africans). They are not counted as people that can suffer oppression. As they are seen as privileged based on thier skin colour

I think the best way again to show this problem, is by someone who did wing against a Holocasut denier to explain this problem today

Deborah Lipstadt, a historian of the holocaust to show how and why it is so important to understand antisemitism today



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ_Hv4jqj_4&t=235s

Thor wrote:

Fred Moletrousers wrote:

I am not asking for an apology -  from you or anyone else, for that matter.

Syl is perfectly capable of answering for herself, and more than capable of dealing with your interventions.

I require no lessons either in forum procedure or etiquette  from you.

And yet are happy to judge others with said view around a moral status

That is called hypocrisy, which is a bitter pill to swallow, from someone I respect

What makes you think that I was referring specifically to you? As it happens, I wasn't.

Syl made a perfectly valid point of principle that is worthy of consideration by everyone in this forum, and it was in response to this that I made my comment. That you chose to link it with the observations of another poster was your decision, not mine.

Not everything that is debated here revolves around you, you know.

Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Thor wrote:

And yet are happy to judge others with said view around a moral status

That is called hypocrisy, which is a bitter pill to swallow, from someone I respect

What makes you think that I was referring specifically to you? As it happens, I wasn't.

Syl made a perfectly valid point of principle that is worthy of  consideration by everyone in this forum, and it was in response to this that I made my comment. That you chose to link it with the observations of another poster was your decision, not mine.

Not everything that is debated here revolves around you, you know.

Where did i claim it was not valid and what then is the point of debate if people disagree?

Nobody claimed it is about me, but I rather enjoy discussions, and not have people jump in with pretentious judgemental points, as you did

So why not add to the debate, instead of trying to deflect from this

If people disagree, its why we have a forum here

To say i basically cannot challenge what I see is not the reason why again we have antisemitism here. Do you think I should not challenge this

Sorry, but I would rather challenge views, that does not make me think my views are holier than thou, does it?

I may be wrong... but from what I saw of his speech... it seemed to me that the jist of it was him saying that the Labour party was a leader in anti racism, and was fundamentally an anti racist party...

Thor wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
much like free speech, only my speech should be free and yours should be suppressed.
( I of course use "you and I" in the general sense before anyone thinks I might be talking about them)

Really and whatt speech has been surpressed in any view by anyone here?

Talk abaout a false equivalency

All i see is when someone is taken to task on their views, people like yourself and Fred, talk around people and invent things that never actually happened in this thread

Eiether this is a debate forum, or the pair of you are the ones trying to shut down discussion, by immature views

free speech is being suppressed throughout social media and the wider world on a daily basis. Predominantly that of those who would be seen as being on the right. Suzanne Evans for instance was today banned from twitter over a comment she made 2 years ago about a transwoman not being ladylike on a radio show they shared. she did not say she was not a lady, she said ladylike which can be directed at many women with good cause. that is a case of free speech being suppressed because someone did not like what was said.

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Thor wrote:

Really and whatt speech has been surpressed in any view by anyone here?

Talk abaout a false equivalency

All i see is when someone is taken to task on their views, people like yourself and Fred, talk around people and invent things that never actually happened in this thread

Eiether this is a debate forum, or the pair of you are the ones trying to shut down discussion, by immature views

free speech is being suppressed throughout social media and the wider world on a daily basis. Predominantly that of those who would be seen as being on the right. Suzanne Evans for instance was today banned from twitter over a comment she made 2 years ago about a transwoman not being ladylike on a radio show they shared. she did not say she was not a lady, she said ladylike which can be directed at many women with good cause. that is a case of free speech being suppressed because someone did not like what was said.

I agree with your points, but is it being surpressed on here?

Thor wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
free speech is being suppressed throughout social media and the wider world on a daily basis. Predominantly that of those who would be seen as being on the right. Suzanne Evans for instance was today banned from twitter over a comment she made 2 years ago about a transwoman not being ladylike on a radio show they shared. she did not say she was not a lady, she said ladylike which can be directed at many women with good cause. that is a case of free speech being suppressed because someone did not like what was said.

I agree with your points, but is it being surpressed on here?

I dont think any one has said anyone is being suppressed in this thread.

Thor wrote:

Fred Moletrousers wrote:

What makes you think that I was referring specifically to you? As it happens, I wasn't.

Syl made a perfectly valid point of principle that is worthy of  consideration by everyone in this forum, and it was in response to this that I made my comment. That you chose to link it with the observations of another poster was your decision, not mine.

Not everything that is debated here revolves around you, you know.

Where did i claim it was not valid and what then is the point of debate if people disagree?

Nobody claimed it is about me, but I rather enjoy discussions, and not have people jump in with pretentious judgemental points, as you did

So why not add to the debate, instead of trying to deflect from this

If people disagree, its why we have a forum here

To say i basically cannot challenge what I see is not the reason why again we have antisemitism here. Do you think I should not challenge this

Sorry, but I would rather challenge views, that does not make me think my views are holier than thou, does it?

What part of "...valid point of principle..." do you not understand?

Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Thor wrote:


Where did i claim it was not valid and what then is the point of debate if people disagree?

Nobody claimed it is about me, but I rather enjoy discussions, and not have people jump in with pretentious judgemental points, as you did

So why not add to the debate, instead of trying to deflect from this

If people disagree, its why we have a forum here

To say i basically cannot challenge what I see is not the reason why again we have antisemitism here. Do you think I should not challenge this

Sorry, but I would rather challenge views, that does not make me think my views are holier than thou, does it?

What part of "...valid point of principle..." do you not understand?

What part of "...the concept of debate..." do you not understand?