Ni**er District?

eddie wrote:Hmmmm. Just as I always thought. Left or right, they’re all human!

Maddog wrote:

eddie wrote:Hmmmm. Just as I always thought. Left or right, they’re all human!

You dont engage in the righteousness fallacy that is so popular these days.

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:There does seem to be a lot more racism from the right than from the left, at least to me.

eddie wrote:

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:There does seem to be a lot more racism from the right than from the left, at least to me.

That may well be true. But not always and not in every area or country, perhaps?

Syl wrote:Whoever she is, I dont believe for one minute that a word can slip out of your mouth accidentally like that.
She probably uses the word all the time when she isn't in the public eye.

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:There does seem to be a lot more racism from the right than from the left, at least to me.

eddie wrote:Hmmmm. Just as I always thought. Left or right, they’re all human!

Original Quill wrote:

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:There does seem to be a lot more racism from the right than from the left, at least to me.

Since the commencement of the Southern Strategy, Republicans own the franchise.

Maddog wrote:“I am sickened that a word that is not in my vocabulary came out of my mouth."

Lurker wrote:There is always more racism and hate from republicans.

Maddog wrote:

Lurker wrote:There is always more racism and hate from republicans.

So what's the split, 60-40?  70-30?

Washington Post wrote:Yes, Rep. Meadows, black people have willingly worked for racists

By Michelle Singletary February 28 at 7:23 AM

There was a moment during Michael Cohen’s testimony about his 10-year employment with Cheeto-Faced Ferret-Wearing Shit Gibbon that made my blood boil.

It wasn’t what the former personal attorney for Trump said but what a white congressman implied, which was that in no way would a black person ever work for a known racist.

It was the most asinine assertion during the whole Cohen spectacle — and that’s saying a lot.

Cohen repeatedly testified during a congressional hearing that he heard Trump make racist comments.

“Mr. Trump is a racist,” Cohen said. “He once asked me if I could name a country run by a black person that wasn’t a ‘s---hole.’ This was when Barack Obama was president of the United States.”

Cohen said of Trump: “While we were once driving through a struggling neighborhood in Chicago, he commented that only black people could live that way.”

Then there was this: “He told me that black people would never vote for him because they were too stupid.”

To counter these accusations, Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) trotted out Lynne Patton, a black woman who worked for the Trump family and Trump’s presidential campaign and is an official with the Department of Housing and Urban Development.

Meadows had Patton stand behind him and said she submitted a comment for the record saying Trump is not racist.

“You made some very demanding comments about the president that Ms. Patton doesn’t agree with,” Meadows said during the hearing. “She says, as a daughter of a man born in Birmingham, Alabama, that there is no way she would work for an individual who was racist.”

Then Meadows said: “I’ve talked to the president more than 300 times. I have not heard a racist comment from the president.”

Alexi McCammond

@alexi
This exchange with Rep. Meadows and Lynne Patton is absurd. You cannot disprove (alleged) racism by saying a black woman *surely* wouldn't work for someone racist. This is just an absurd argument, regardless of the veracity of Cohen's claims.

It is ridiculous — during Black History Month, no less — for Meadows to assert that a black person wouldn’t willingly work for a racist.

All you have to do is read case files at the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. Racists generally don’t broadcast their bias.

Academic research papers have looked at workplace discrimination, finding that racism takes all forms — not just in what we hear people say.

“Current research investigating discrimination within the workplace has revealed the disturbing fact that racial ‘microaggressions’ are frequent, pervasive and cause significant harm to both individuals and organizations,” wrote one researcher for Vanguard University of Southern California in a paper about racism in the workplace. “ ‘Microinsults’ are more covert styles of verbal and nonverbal communication that lack sensitivity toward issues faced by minorities. For example, when an African American employee is promoted within an organization, other employees often believe that the promotion was based upon affirmative action rather than intelligence or competency.”

Blacks have worked for racists throughout American history. Many dare not say so for fear of losing their livelihood — or, worse, their lives. They may even stand up for a known racist to further their career.

It’s entirely possible Patton never heard Trump say a single racist thing. But to showcase her as proof the president never said or did anything racist is absurd.

And would Patton have a reason to overlook racist actions by Trump?

“Patton, who revels in the limelight, has drawn criticism for her quick rise in the administration, culminating in a $160,000-a-year post despite having no housing expertise,” Washington Post reporter Tracy Jan wrote.

Read more: Why did a GOP congressman invite this HUD official to stand behind him at the Michael Cohen hearing?

Rep. Brenda Lawrence (D-Mich.) was livid that Meadows used Patton as evidence that Trump isn’t racist.

“To prop up one person from our entire race of black people and say that nullifies that is totally insulting,” Lawrence said during the hearing.

I worked with an editor who never said a racist thing to my face, but she was indeed a racist in how she treated me. My interactions with her still haunt me. It was one of the lowest points in my career. I was an intern at my first newspaper job in Baltimore, and there were many days her disparate treatment of me compared with the white interns sent me to the bathroom in tears.

I didn’t quit my internship. I stayed and endured her racist supervision because I needed the job and I didn’t want to lose my scholarship. I was finally removed from her supervision after many complaints. But no action was taken against her. She continued to be promoted and lauded.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/02/28/yes-rep-meadows-black-people-have-willingly-worked-racists/?utm_term=.f7f297f93d02

Original Quill wrote:

Washington Post wrote:Yes, Rep. Meadows, black people have willingly worked for racists

By Michelle Singletary February 28 at 7:23 AM

There was a moment during Michael Cohen’s testimony about his 10-year employment with Cheeto-Faced Ferret-Wearing Shit Gibbon that made my blood boil.

It wasn’t what the former personal attorney for Trump said but what a white congressman implied, which was that in no way would a black person ever work for a known racist.

It was the most asinine assertion during the whole Cohen spectacle — and that’s saying a lot.

Cohen repeatedly testified during a congressional hearing that he heard Trump make racist comments.

“Mr. Trump is a racist,” Cohen said. “He once asked me if I could name a country run by a black person that wasn’t a ‘s---hole.’ This was when Barack Obama was president of the United States.”

Cohen said of Trump: “While we were once driving through a struggling neighborhood in Chicago, he commented that only black people could live that way.”

Then there was this: “He told me that black people would never vote for him because they were too stupid.”

To counter these accusations, Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) trotted out Lynne Patton, a black woman who worked for the Trump family and Trump’s presidential campaign and is an official with the Department of Housing and Urban Development.

Meadows had Patton stand behind him and said she submitted a comment for the record saying Trump is not racist.

“You made some very demanding comments about the president that Ms. Patton doesn’t agree with,” Meadows said during the hearing. “She says, as a daughter of a man born in Birmingham, Alabama, that there is no way she would work for an individual who was racist.”

Then Meadows said: “I’ve talked to the president more than 300 times. I have not heard a racist comment from the president.”



It is ridiculous — during Black History Month, no less — for Meadows to assert that a black person wouldn’t willingly work for a racist.

All you have to do is read case files at the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. Racists generally don’t broadcast their bias.

Academic research papers have looked at workplace discrimination, finding that racism takes all forms — not just in what we hear people say.

“Current research investigating discrimination within the workplace has revealed the disturbing fact that racial ‘microaggressions’ are frequent, pervasive and cause significant harm to both individuals and organizations,” wrote one researcher for Vanguard University of Southern California in a paper about racism in the workplace. “ ‘Microinsults’ are more covert styles of verbal and nonverbal communication that lack sensitivity toward issues faced by minorities. For example, when an African American employee is promoted within an organization, other employees often believe that the promotion was based upon affirmative action rather than intelligence or competency.”

Blacks have worked for racists throughout American history. Many dare not say so for fear of losing their livelihood — or, worse, their lives. They may even stand up for a known racist to further their career.

It’s entirely possible Patton never heard Trump say a single racist thing. But to showcase her as proof the president never said or did anything racist is absurd.

And would Patton have a reason to overlook racist actions by Trump?

“Patton, who revels in the limelight, has drawn criticism for her quick rise in the administration, culminating in a $160,000-a-year post despite having no housing expertise,” Washington Post reporter Tracy Jan wrote.



I worked with an editor who never said a racist thing to my face, but she was indeed a racist in how she treated me. My interactions with her still haunt me. It was one of the lowest points in my career. I was an intern at my first newspaper job in Baltimore, and there were many days her disparate treatment of me compared with the white interns sent me to the bathroom in tears.

I didn’t quit my internship. I stayed and endured her racist supervision because I needed the job and I didn’t want to lose my scholarship. I was finally removed from her supervision after many complaints. But no action was taken against her. She continued to be promoted and lauded.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/02/28/yes-rep-meadows-black-people-have-willingly-worked-racists/?utm_term=.f7f297f93d02

Why shucks...sum o' my bes frens is niggas...

Fred M. wrote:Quill...a genuine question and one that I ask in the knowledge that you, at least, won't fly off the handle and starting yelling "racist English swine" at me: How is it that the 'n' word (one which I personally never, ever use) is so widely regarded as one of the foulest racist word imaginable, but one the use of which is almost de rigueur among so many black people in the music industry?

Original Quill wrote:

Fred M. wrote:Quill...a genuine question and one that I ask in the knowledge that you, at least, won't fly off the handle and starting yelling "racist English swine" at me: How is it that the 'n' word (one which I personally never, ever use) is so widely regarded as one of the foulest racist word imaginable, but one the use of which is almost de rigueur among so many black people in the music industry?

Legitimate question, Fred.  It has to do with history, not just use of the word-symbol.

Nigger is a variant of Niger, or Nigrum, which means 'black' in Latin.  Not offensive...in fact, very respectable use of Latiin language...very much in the way it is used in medicine and law.

Africans themselves have an accent, called ebonics, which gives them a distinct sound when speaking English.  With them, the word came out nigger.  It was their genuine pronunciation of the word niger, with the flattened 'i' (English pronounce 'aye', not 'eh').

In America, whites, when they wanted to tease or mock blacks, would use the ebonics pronunciation as a sort of 'put-down'.  They were mocking the inferiors, by speaking inferior language.  Thus in the mouths of whites it was an insult.  It retained the stigma of the inferiors.

Some, if not most blacks realized this eventually.  Some stopped using the pronunciation, some continue out of habit, and others use it deliberately (mocking back, sts).  But only in the mouths of the whites is it interpreted as truly intending insult.  In the mouths of blacks, today, it can even exhibit a degree of pride in their background and heritage.  (Sometimes I get a kick out of speaking with a Scottish accent, as that is my heritage—like that.)

Original Quill wrote:

Fred M. wrote:Quill...a genuine question and one that I ask in the knowledge that you, at least, won't fly off the handle and starting yelling "racist English swine" at me: How is it that the 'n' word (one which I personally never, ever use) is so widely regarded as one of the foulest racist word imaginable, but one the use of which is almost de rigueur among so many black people in the music industry?

Legitimate question, Fred.  It has to do with history, not just use of the word-symbol.

Nigger is a variant of Niger, or Nigrum, which means 'black' in Latin.  Not offensive...in fact, very respectable use of Latiin language...very much in the way it is used in medicine and law.

Africans themselves have an accent, called ebonics, which gives them a distinct sound when speaking English.  With them, the word came out nigger.  It was their genuine pronunciation of the word niger, with the flattened 'i' (English pronounce 'aye', not 'eh').

In America, whites, when they wanted to tease or mock blacks, would use the ebonics pronunciation as a sort of 'put-down'.  They were mocking the inferiors, by speaking inferior language.  Thus in the mouths of whites it was an insult.  It retained the stigma of the inferiors.

Some, if not most blacks realized this eventually.  Some stopped using the pronunciation, some continue out of habit, and others use it deliberately (mocking back, sts).  But only in the mouths of the whites is it interpreted as truly intending insult.  In the mouths of blacks, today, it can even exhibit a degree of pride in their background and heritage.  (Sometimes I get a kick out of speaking with a Scottish accent, as that is my heritage—like that.)

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Legitimate question, Fred.  It has to do with history, not just use of the word-symbol.

Nigger is a variant of Niger, or Nigrum, which means 'black' in Latin.  Not offensive...in fact, very respectable use of Latiin language...very much in the way it is used in medicine and law.

Africans themselves have an accent, called ebonics, which gives them a distinct sound when speaking English.  With them, the word came out nigger.  It was their genuine pronunciation of the word niger, with the flattened 'i' (English pronounce 'aye', not 'eh').

In America, whites, when they wanted to tease or mock blacks, would use the ebonics pronunciation as a sort of 'put-down'.  They were mocking the inferiors, by speaking inferior language.  Thus in the mouths of whites it was an insult.  It retained the stigma of the inferiors.

Some, if not most blacks realized this eventually.  Some stopped using the pronunciation, some continue out of habit, and others use it deliberately (mocking back, sts).  But only in the mouths of the whites is it interpreted as truly intending insult.  In the mouths of blacks, today, it can even exhibit a degree of pride in their background and heritage.  (Sometimes I get a kick out of speaking with a Scottish accent, as that is my heritage—like that.)

Plenty of young whites use the phrase nigga, and blacks are just fine with it.

You need to get out of the house a little more.

You can't use it, but a 25 year old white person can. White folks can't put the "er" on the end.  

Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Plenty of young whites use the phrase nigga, and blacks are just fine with it.

You need to get out of the house a little more.

You can't use it, but a 25 year old white person can. White folks can't put the "er" on the end.  

Ah, but old whites in England have better manners.........

Maddog wrote:White folks can't put the "er" on the end.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:White folks can't put the "er" on the end.  

What complete bullshite.  

nicko wrote:I have some Black relatives, they sometimes call each other n---er, but I would never do it .

Maddog wrote:

nicko wrote:I have some Black relatives, they sometimes call each other n---er, but I would never do it .

Nope.  Quill leads a very sheltered life.  I sometimes wonder if he ever leaves the house. 

Old white guys just need to leave all forms of the n word alone, at least in daily use. Young folks can say they are hanging with their niggas, but even that won't set well with some of the older black folks.  

I have two white nephews that hang with a lot of black folks (one is having a child with one). They use the term interchangeably with homies.  Another term us old white guys don't pull off very well.  

Fred M. wrote:BTW, I'm also part Scottish (and am even entitled to wear a clan tartan) but wouldn't dare attempt to speak in the accent. In fact, at a local Burns Night dinner a few weeks ago I foolishly agreed to deliver Rabbie Burns's "Address to the Haggis" after it had been piped in in the traditional manner...but did so in the English version with a slight Yorkshire accent!

Original Quill wrote:

Fred M. wrote:BTW, I'm also part Scottish (and am even entitled to wear a clan tartan) but wouldn't dare attempt to speak in the accent. In fact, at a local Burns Night dinner a few weeks ago I foolishly agreed to deliver Rabbie Burns's "Address to the Haggis" after it had been piped in in the traditional manner...but did so in the English version with a slight Yorkshire accent!

Been to Scotland many times.  But I would never try to use my limp Scottish accent there.  I'd be too embarrassed.

Besides, that's my intake time, not time for display of what I've learned.  Truth be told, for a part of my PhD dissertation I had to interpret ancient inflections of both English and French, in order to read and understand original sources.  For example, to read Mary Stuart's letters--she spoke (and spelt) with a thick Q-Celtic accent.  What it must have been like to hear her.  And who tries to understand a London accent without understanding the aspirated consonant?  And the English 'peak' their vowels, while Americans flatten them.  So there's a lot of preparation just to read ancient texts.

Maddog wrote:

nicko wrote:I have some Black relatives, they sometimes call each other n---er, but I would never do it .

Nope.  Quill leads a very sheltered life.  I sometimes wonder if he ever leaves the house. 

Old white guys just need to leave all forms of the n word alone, at least in daily use. Young folks can say they are hanging with their niggas, but even that won't set well with some of the older black folks.  

I have two white nephews that hang with a lot of black folks (one is having a child with one). They use the term interchangeably with homies.  Another term us old white guys don't pull off very well.  

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:


Nope.  Quill leads a very sheltered life.  I sometimes wonder if he ever leaves the house. 

Old white guys just need to leave all forms of the n word alone, at least in daily use. Young folks can say they are hanging with their niggas, but even that won't set well with some of the older black folks.  

I have two white nephews that hang with a lot of black folks (one is having a child with one). They use the term interchangeably with homies.  Another term us old white guys don't pull off very well.  

Fred asked a specific question as to how a certain language-usage pattern emerged.  No question, cultural habits are always changing.  But to address how things are today does not answer Fred's question about the history/origins of it.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Fred asked a specific question as to how a certain language-usage pattern emerged.  No question, cultural habits are always changing.  But to address how things are today does not answer Fred's question about the history/origins of it.

His question was about contemporary usage, homie!

Fred M. wrote:How is it that the 'n' word (one which I personally never, ever use) is so widely regarded as one of the foulest racist word imaginable, but one the use of which is almost de rigueur among so many black people in the music industry?