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Shooting range uses images of ISIS bride Shamima Begum as target practice after a 'record number of requests' from customers
A shooting range is using an image of ISIS bride Shamima Begum as a target after receiving a 'record number' of requests from customers.
The Ultimate Airsoft Range in Wallasey, Merseyside, has defended using a picture of the teenager's face for shooting practice after facing a fierce backlash.
Owners of the attraction, which is used by children as young as six, said the move was in response to her 'lack of remorse and empathy' in television interviews.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6751329/Merseyside-shooting-range-defends-using-images-ISIS-bride.html
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Hmmm. Not a good idea to be honest, no matter what she’s done. It’s not a good idea to get children practising using faces as targets.
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eddie wrote:Hmmm. Not a good idea to be honest, no matter what she’s done. It’s not a good idea to get children practising using faces as targets.
Exactly. Aiming for the head is never a good idea because its much smaller than the body. Aim center mass. Doesnt matter if you are shooting deer or humans.
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Maddog wrote:eddie wrote:Hmmm. Not a good idea to be honest, no matter what she’s done. It’s not a good idea to get children practising using faces as targets.
Exactly. Aiming for the head is never a good idea because its much smaller than the body. Aim center mass. Doesnt matter if you are shooting deer or humans.
Ooh you are a rogue!
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eddie wrote:Maddog wrote:
Exactly. Aiming for the head is never a good idea because its much smaller than the body. Aim center mass. Doesnt matter if you are shooting deer or humans.
Ooh you are a rogue!
I've never been called that before. I like it!
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I think it's fucking creepy, tbh.
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>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:I think it's fucking creepy, tbh.
It’s just tasteless. Especially if children are seeing it.
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eddie wrote:>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:I think it's fucking creepy, tbh.
It’s just tasteless. Especially if children are seeing it.
Yeah, the idea of using the image of any living person as a target is tasteless to me. I have to wonder about the sort of people who do that.
I mean, you know I detest Trump, but I don't fantasize about shooting him.
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>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:eddie wrote:>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:I think it's fucking creepy, tbh.
It’s just tasteless. Especially if children are seeing it.
Yeah, the idea of using the image of any living person as a target is tasteless to me. I have to wonder about the sort of people who do that.
I mean, you know I detest Trump, but I don't fantasize about shooting him.
You totally do. You were sleep-talking about kicking his butt the other night.
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you reap what you sow...
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So can some explain the satisfaction here by using such a target?
Is it a sense of
a) Shooting a woman?
b) Shooting a Muslim?
c) Shooting an ISIS supporter?
d) Shooting a woman carrying a child?
e) Shooting an extremist?
f) Shooting a murderer
At what point did this actually render home based on the original view point on history on morality?
The moment we say someone unarmed based on their beliefs is fair game to shoot at. As target practice, which is what ISIS extremists do.
Then you become one with them
As hate has now controlled your feelings
What will be achieved by killing this young girl, you has been grooomed and indoctrinated?
Do you think only girls sexually abused are indocrinated and groomed?
Is your sense of using empathic intelligence only assigned to what you perceive as victims?
What about Maajid Nawaz ?
He was once groomed with hate and terrorism
How about we swap his face here, based on 20 years ago?
Is anyone making an actually comprehensiove argument?
Or one born of stupidity
I bet none of you would rightly blame a victim of grooming gangs, but you blame one who has been groomed by terrorist grooming gangs
Do you actually hold a moral high ground, or one alongside ISIS?
Is it a sense of
a) Shooting a woman?
b) Shooting a Muslim?
c) Shooting an ISIS supporter?
d) Shooting a woman carrying a child?
e) Shooting an extremist?
f) Shooting a murderer
At what point did this actually render home based on the original view point on history on morality?
The moment we say someone unarmed based on their beliefs is fair game to shoot at. As target practice, which is what ISIS extremists do.
Then you become one with them
As hate has now controlled your feelings
What will be achieved by killing this young girl, you has been grooomed and indoctrinated?
Do you think only girls sexually abused are indocrinated and groomed?
Is your sense of using empathic intelligence only assigned to what you perceive as victims?
What about Maajid Nawaz ?
He was once groomed with hate and terrorism
How about we swap his face here, based on 20 years ago?
Is anyone making an actually comprehensiove argument?
Or one born of stupidity
I bet none of you would rightly blame a victim of grooming gangs, but you blame one who has been groomed by terrorist grooming gangs
Do you actually hold a moral high ground, or one alongside ISIS?
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Totally agree didge.
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c. e and possibly f
and people like you are exactly why in not too many years this country will all face east, put their heads on the floor and lift their ass to be shafted.
because this country will collapse in economic ruin from attempting to keep tabs 24/7 on 10's thousands of extremeist terrorists OR the terrorists will simply over run the security services with sheer numbers. Then what?
personally I dont give a monkeys...I#ll most likely either be too gaga to notice or in me box...its my kids that will have to live with it....and if they are stupid enough to subscribe to this inane "better than" diatribe and the dumbass liberalist "poor little terrorist" POV....well thats their problem.......
and people like you are exactly why in not too many years this country will all face east, put their heads on the floor and lift their ass to be shafted.
because this country will collapse in economic ruin from attempting to keep tabs 24/7 on 10's thousands of extremeist terrorists OR the terrorists will simply over run the security services with sheer numbers. Then what?
personally I dont give a monkeys...I#ll most likely either be too gaga to notice or in me box...its my kids that will have to live with it....and if they are stupid enough to subscribe to this inane "better than" diatribe and the dumbass liberalist "poor little terrorist" POV....well thats their problem.......
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While its in very poor taste, its a poster, they aren't shooting the actual woman.
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Lord Foul wrote:c. e and possibly f
and people like you are exactly why in not too many years this country will all face east, put their heads on the floor and lift their ass to be shafted.
because this country will collapse in economic ruin from attempting to keep tabs 24/7 on 10's thousands of extremeist terrorists OR the terrorists will simply over run the security services with sheer numbers. Then what?
personally I dont give a monkeys...I#ll most likely either be too gaga to notice or in me box...its my kids that will have to live with it....and if they are stupid enough to subscribe to this inane "better than" diatribe and the dumbass liberalist "poor little terrorist" POV....well thats their problem.......
Yeah and people have been making such a poor argument when Pope Urban II did so
That was a time of Christian extremits which also still exist today
Of course i have been the biggest proponent of taking on islamic extremists. Which you think is wrong, by going into countries to protect innocent people from islamic extremists.
So you need to make up your mind here
Its why soldiers in the know, (I am not one but read military strategy) understand. You have to have a bases for people to be allowed to have education. They can then challenge beliefs.
Your views of fears, is what has kept alive over a 2 and half thousand years of distrust between East and West.
Yes there is countless problems in the Middle East. Me being the biggest outspoken person on here
This country never collapsed from trying to keep tabs with IRA operatives, when more people in this country are Irish compared to Muslims. Which is 6 million is double the number of Muslims.
Have you see a collapse off this, based off the IRA.
Of course not, but I guess you were the first to cast and look at Irish people as the problem
When the fuck will you overcome your inner hatred, because quite frankly, your mentality, is born from Pope Urban II.
You will never defeat bad ideas, by buying into their fears. You have to show why they are wrong and be open about them. As we should about islamic extremism. How we need to tackle poor and hateful ideas. We simple ignore people have been groomed on this. You think girls are victims when groomed and abused with sexual abuse, but not with ideological extremism?
I mean for goodness sake mate. Do you really fear this country surrendering to bad ideas. As the views and fears you follow are on a path to the very same bad ideas.
Them and us
Its what ISIS thrive on and what the Far right and Far left thrive on
People being in fear
When you stand up to bad ideas, those extreme groups lose support
Its how the BNP died of death in this country
Its how the IRA never held sway over the Irish population in this country
You want to be held captive by fear.
Then you need to understand, its of your own making
You need to understand this is a battled of the mind with ideas, not violence, We will only defeat such extremism, by never allowing ouselves to become one with hate. I have been there and understand this far better than you can imagine based with the IRA. Who are see as extremists and vile, but you have to understan. This war, is going to be won on and fought on, by ideas.
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the security services have already admitted they are struggling to cope....and its costing a fortune ...to keep tabs on what we already have here...and you want even more to be readmitted?????
no comparison to the IRA either.....the security services were not watching anywhere near the number of likely suspects
The IRA "generally" on the mainland (though not always I'd agree,) sent warnings, whether those warnings were passed on or not and why is another matter of course.
oh and i despised the irish TERRORISTS for what they did...just the same as I despise the islamist TERRORISTS
There is nothing racial about despising a terrorist.......no matter his/her origins
no comparison to the IRA either.....the security services were not watching anywhere near the number of likely suspects
The IRA "generally" on the mainland (though not always I'd agree,) sent warnings, whether those warnings were passed on or not and why is another matter of course.
oh and i despised the irish TERRORISTS for what they did...just the same as I despise the islamist TERRORISTS
There is nothing racial about despising a terrorist.......no matter his/her origins
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Lord Foul wrote:the security services have already admitted they are struggling to cope....and its costing a fortune ...to keep tabs on what we already have here...and you want even more to be readmitted?????
no comparison to the IRA either.....the security services were not watching anywhere near the number of likely suspects
The IRA "generally" on the mainland (though not always I'd agree,) sent warnings, whether those warnings were passed on or not and why is another matter of course.
oh and i despised the irish TERRORISTS for what they did...just the same as I despise the islamist TERRORISTS
There is nothing racial about despising a terrorist.......no matter his/her origins
Utter and unbelievable bullshit on every level
We already struggled to cope with the IRA in this country, or do you have a short memory?
Seriously?
If the security services had the go ahead to take out units of the IRA they knew. Were on their radar. It would have bever very effective. Yet their hands were tied. As there was a rules and egnagement policy on this. In facts British operatives had their hands more tied against the IRA. Than they do now with Islamic extremism
So you are talking out of your arse mate, emphatically
With a free hand, we could have taken out many known IRA operatives, by media played a massive own goal here
The point you always miss, because youe negative hateful emotions governe you. Is what would that have really achieved?
As it never tackled the war of ideas
What worked far better is when the British units held back and allowed the IRA to make themselves become more hateful, for what they did. They lost support for their barbarism. Its why the the view to hold restraint worked. Its why people in Northern ireland became fed up on both sides. Yet you dont want to look at the reality. You just want to be held by a fear
Its why we have to work to get many more Muslims on side, but you hold an already poor view to look at them with a view of distrust. Thus continuing a spiral of the same problem of extremism and hate
Now at no point did I say it was racism, but its interesting you say that.
As you know doubt have in your mind made it racial based on an asian sterotype of Muslims and terrorism
So I am open to your ideas
What do you think will defeat islamic terrorism, as we did the IRA?
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Vintage wrote:While its in very poor taste, its a poster, they aren't shooting the actual woman.
Children shouldn’t be shooting at actual faces. It’s just wrong.
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Vintage wrote:While its in very poor taste, its a poster, they aren't shooting the actual woman.
What are they thinking about when they see the face of the poster?
To say they are not actually shooting a woman, is an excuse and a quite frankly ignorate horseshit excuse at that
The fact is, that is a female face
You have simple allowed yourself to allow her to not be seen as female or even human
You have allowed yourself to see instead something else
ISIS
Its what allowed nazi's to butcher Russian, Polish, Jewish women etc
As they also saw posters of hate against such people
When in reality they killed women from these groups, based on a poster of hate
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I will give a prime example of why people are full of shit on this argument
Not a person here backs Antifa right
Are they right to beat up women, because they wear a Trump hat?
Does because Trump is in fact a racist, make the extremist hate of antifa justified for beating up a woman. Weraing a Trump hat?
The answer is no and to me, their reaction is extremism and hate
Does anyone want to chanllenge me on that?
Not a person here backs Antifa right
Are they right to beat up women, because they wear a Trump hat?
Does because Trump is in fact a racist, make the extremist hate of antifa justified for beating up a woman. Weraing a Trump hat?
The answer is no and to me, their reaction is extremism and hate
Does anyone want to chanllenge me on that?
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Then ask yourself whether you hold the moral high ground here?
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and in the meanwhile...how many hospital beds will it cost to have that poisonous creature here under 24/7 surveillance for the next 40+ years, along with her little jihadi to be?
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Lord Foul wrote:and in the meanwhile...how many hospital beds will it cost to have that poisonous creature here under 24/7 surveillance for the next 40+ years, along with her little jihadi to be?
How many did it for Maajid Nawaz?
How do you view him now?
Do you need me to expand how on this point your argument always fails?
When are you going to look at these girls as also victims of abuse?
So I wll ask a serious question
Do you look at 14 and 15 year old Hiter youth as victims of indoctrination?
Does that excuse crimes by some of them?
No?
Does it help us understand how we were able to deradicalize them?
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Thor wrote:Lord Foul wrote:and in the meanwhile...how many hospital beds will it cost to have that poisonous creature here under 24/7 surveillance for the next 40+ years, along with her little jihadi to be?
How many did it for Maajid Nawaz?
How do you view him now?
Do you need me to expand how on this point your argument always fails?
When are you going to look at these girls as also victims of abuse?
So I wll ask a serious question
Do you look at 14 and 15 year old Hiter youth as victims of indoctrination?
Does that excuse crimes by some of them?
No?
Does it help us understand how we were able to deradicalize them?
I will relay one major point onto you Lord foul
Do you think your method will bring back people from formely being groomed into extremis, with your hateful stance
Or do you thin, my know method already used in history will at least work on some?
If you have ever look ed at conflict, your methodology always fails mate
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Let me really break down this point in how young girls are groomed for sex
With white girls. Its down with drugs, by Muslim grooming gangs
With Muslim asian grils, its done with ideology. Viewing them as baby making machines.
In both cases, the victim is made to feel special, but essentially abused, for their bodies
Both for sex.
In both the sex offenders play on the insecurities of the victim to feel wanted
The victims are always sexually naive in both cases
What is worse in the Muslim examples, is its not drugs, but ideology that is driving this onto young teen Muslim girls. The lure, that victims of grooming gangs also want. Feeling wanted and special
These young underage girls lured to ISIS are basically teens groomed and used as baby making machines.
They are constantly sexually abused
When are people going to see, that these girls are also victims of grooming gangs
They dont want to see this, because they dont view Muslims girls as victims
Goodnight
With white girls. Its down with drugs, by Muslim grooming gangs
With Muslim asian grils, its done with ideology. Viewing them as baby making machines.
In both cases, the victim is made to feel special, but essentially abused, for their bodies
Both for sex.
In both the sex offenders play on the insecurities of the victim to feel wanted
The victims are always sexually naive in both cases
What is worse in the Muslim examples, is its not drugs, but ideology that is driving this onto young teen Muslim girls. The lure, that victims of grooming gangs also want. Feeling wanted and special
These young underage girls lured to ISIS are basically teens groomed and used as baby making machines.
They are constantly sexually abused
When are people going to see, that these girls are also victims of grooming gangs
They dont want to see this, because they dont view Muslims girls as victims
Goodnight
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Thor wrote:Lord Foul wrote:and in the meanwhile...how many hospital beds will it cost to have that poisonous creature here under 24/7 surveillance for the next 40+ years, along with her little jihadi to be?
How many did it for Maajid Nawaz?
I have no idea, but it will have come at a price
How do you view him now?
dont know ...dont know much about him except that you seem to think he's some sort of poster boy.......time will tell....AFAIK the only success with him is that he was? a radical...and now hes????????? I suppose i view him a bit like a tarantula.....all very good and has a place in the scheme of things I suppose...but I'd rather not have him running loose in my living room.......
Do you need me to expand how on this point your argument always fails?
When are you going to look at these girls as also victims of abuse?
So I wll ask a serious question
Do you look at 14 and 15 year old Hiter youth as victims of indoctrination?
Does that excuse crimes by some of them?
No?
Does it help us understand how we were able to deradicalize them?
so can we do the same with islamists
denazification.....made anything to do with the nazis...including the ideas behind it ILLEGAL with hefty jail sentences awaiting
that means Islam would be illegal
denazification....all symbols and works of nazism became illegal.....
that means all islamic symbols and works become illeagal
denazification all meetings and meeting places were banned and denied access to
that means all mosques should close
good luck with that me ole mucker.......
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Lord Foul wrote:Thor wrote:
How many did it for Maajid Nawaz?
I have no idea, but it will have come at a price
How do you view him now?
dont know ...dont know much about him except that you seem to think he's some sort of poster boy.......time will tell....AFAIK the only success with him is that he was? a radical...and now hes????????? I suppose i view him a bit like a tarantula.....all very good and has a place in the scheme of things I suppose...but I'd rather not have him running loose in my living room.......
Do you need me to expand how on this point your argument always fails?
When are you going to look at these girls as also victims of abuse?
So I wll ask a serious question
Do you look at 14 and 15 year old Hiter youth as victims of indoctrination?
Does that excuse crimes by some of them?
No?
Does it help us understand how we were able to deradicalize them?
so can we do the same with islamists
denazification.....made anything to do with the nazis...including the ideas behind it ILLEGAL with hefty jail sentences awaiting
that means Islam would be illegal
denazification....all symbols and works of nazism became illegal.....
that means all islamic symbols and works become illeagal
denazification all meetings and meeting places were banned and denied access to
that means all mosques should close
good luck with that me ole mucker.......
Why Islam and not Christianity be made illegal, based on 2000 years of extremis Christianity?
If your view is based today, that Christainity now is not as bad, well it once was. That means how can you hold sway a view on one religion
Again fear yo
I dont need any luck, I simple do not fall prey to pathetic fears that you do
Even more, that you are of all people I know. Les likely to be effected by civilisation
Given 50 years ago and you lived in Germany. Your fears would have driven you through indoctrination propaganda to fear Jews and Communists
Given living in the Soviet union. Your fears would have been governed again by fearing Jews, but alsi germans who were Nazi's
The view that we need to close all places connected to nazism, to deradicalise?
No that never happened and again that is a myth you hold
You again present an absurd stance that you argue based off fear. Which you think backs you, based on censurship
That means you are governened by fear and do not back democracy
You back totalitarianism to back censurship
Fuck that
The point is we did deradicalise many of the Hitler youth
Good night
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so almighty...what happened in GERMANY during denazification...if not what I described????
It became illegal to be a nazi or to have anything to do with nazism
It became illegal to be a nazi or to have anything to do with nazism
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and in the main...it still IS
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Lord Foul wrote:so almighty...what happened in GERMANY during denazification...if not what I described????
It became illegal to be a nazi or to have anything to do with nazism
Is that wehy some became leaders of Germany?
Is that why many helped both became citizens of the east and west in the fight against each other
It may have become illegal to be a nazi. It never stopped Nazi's though did it, from being in power?
Hence that view achieved nothing
What to think again?
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Lord Foul wrote:and in the main...it still IS
You being led by fear?
I know, you are
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isnt mein kampf still a proscribed book over there?
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Lord Foul wrote:isnt mein kampf still a proscribed book over there?
Nope
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First of all children should not be shooting at anything.
When you shoot at a target sometimes its a blank outline of a person sometimes its a representation of a person, whether its a composite or is or was a real person depicted. If its part of your job do you wait until you only see the blank or the particular representation in your sights, you'll be waiting a long time if you do and will probably be very dead along with the person you may be protecting - its just another target.
Normally I would agree with most of what's being said but once the politically correct, ridiculously sanctimonious what if's, self righteous over the top indignation began I couldn't help myself, I had to go the other way.
When you shoot at a target sometimes its a blank outline of a person sometimes its a representation of a person, whether its a composite or is or was a real person depicted. If its part of your job do you wait until you only see the blank or the particular representation in your sights, you'll be waiting a long time if you do and will probably be very dead along with the person you may be protecting - its just another target.
Normally I would agree with most of what's being said but once the politically correct, ridiculously sanctimonious what if's, self righteous over the top indignation began I couldn't help myself, I had to go the other way.
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Thor wrote:Lord Foul wrote:so almighty...what happened in GERMANY during denazification...if not what I described????
It became illegal to be a nazi or to have anything to do with nazism
Is that wehy some became leaders of Germany?
Is that why many helped both became citizens of the east and west in the fight against each other
It may have become illegal to be a nazi. It never stopped Nazi's though did it, from being in power?
Hence that view achieved nothing
What to think again?
thats bull shit argument and you know it.....they may have become leaders,,,but NOT nazi leaders anymore, nor could they espouse nazi values under the watchful eyes of the allies, and of those who became leaders of germany after the war one has to ask how many were "committed" nazis, and how many were just after the main chance and bent whichever way the wind blew (a sensible position in the post war political era it would seem)
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Thor wrote:Lord Foul wrote:isnt mein kampf still a proscribed book over there?
Nope
wonder when that changed......
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Maddog wrote:eddie wrote:Hmmm. Not a good idea to be honest, no matter what she’s done. It’s not a good idea to get children practising using faces as targets.
Exactly. Aiming for the head is never a good idea because its much smaller than the body. Aim center mass. Doesnt matter if you are shooting deer or humans.
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Lord Foul wrote:Thor wrote:
Is that wehy some became leaders of Germany?
Is that why many helped both became citizens of the east and west in the fight against each other
It may have become illegal to be a nazi. It never stopped Nazi's though did it, from being in power?
Hence that view achieved nothing
What to think again?
thats bull shit argument and you know it.....they may have become leaders,,,but NOT nazi leaders anymore, nor could they espouse nazi values under the watchful eyes of the allies, and of those who became leaders of germany after the war one has to ask how many were "committed" nazis, and how many were just after the main chance and bent whichever way the wind blew (a sensible position in the post war political era it would seem)
That is not bullshit and in fact its fact
There has even been people in the Waffen ss become leaders
Check your history mate
In fact bot hthe west and east used some of the worst murderers for their own uses and even tried to hide them from Nazi hunters
That is a fact
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Vintage wrote:First of all children should not be shooting at anything.
When you shoot at a target sometimes its a blank outline of a person sometimes its a representation of a person, whether its a composite or is or was a real person depicted. If its part of your job do you wait until you only see the blank or the particular representation in your sights, you'll be waiting a long time if you do and will probably be very dead along with the person you may be protecting - its just another target.
Normally I would agree with most of what's being said but once the politically correct, ridiculously sanctimonious what if's, self righteous over the top indignation began I couldn't help myself, I had to go the other way.
I agree about kids not being allowed anywhere near guns. Why? Why teach a child to kill anything. Kids are shooting humans on just about every video computer game on the planet, blowing them up, raping them, doing just about every atrocity you can name. Watching violence on TV every night. What's the difference here?
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Vintage wrote:First of all children should not be shooting at anything.
When you shoot at a target sometimes its a blank outline of a person sometimes its a representation of a person, whether its a composite or is or was a real person depicted. If its part of your job do you wait until you only see the blank or the particular representation in your sights, you'll be waiting a long time if you do and will probably be very dead along with the person you may be protecting - its just another target.
Normally I would agree with most of what's being said but once the politically correct, ridiculously sanctimonious what if's, self righteous over the top indignation began I couldn't help myself, I had to go the other way.
First of a a child can learn to shoot and i welcome the fact
Its more about learning what they are taught to shoot at
So lets clarfiy that simple distinction here
The rest of your post is about the most biggest load of piffall I have ever heard and i will easily explain why
For example the SAS do training with terrorism and at no point is a person dressed in a burka unarmed seen as a target
At no point in war is a person unarmed wearing a burka seen as a target
In this picture, there is a sniper scope being used to target a teen Muslim girls, as she joined ISIS and is wearing a Burka
What the fuck has this got to do with PC to think that its okay to shoot women, that are unarmed, simeple because they are wearing a Burka?
You tell me?
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ahh...got it...and now it makes sense
Mein Kampf was never actually banned, although if you had a copy proudly displayed in your home, any visitors might have suddenly remembered a pressing engagement elsewhere. It was written before the Nazis took power, so isn't a symbol of the Nazi regime -- just a really badly-written autobiography livened up with the occasional antisemitic rant.
After Hitler's death, none of his heirs wanted anything to do with Mein Kampf, so the copyright passed to the state of Bavaria, as that was his last officially registered place of residence. The state of Bavaria simply refused permission for anyone in Germany to reprint it, even when it was widely available on the internet and the German authorities had no legal grounds to block it.
The copyright lapsed at the end of 2015, so the text is now in the public domain in Germany. An annotated version made headlines in April when it topped a non-fiction bestseller list in Germany, although that was really a fluke: about 85,000 copies were sold, most to historians, academics, research institutes, libraries and so on. (By comparison, the biggest non-fiction bestseller in Germany in the last 10 years was Ich bin dann mal weg, comedian Hape Kerkeling's account of a pilgrimage he went on, and it sold five million copies.)
Things that are banned in Germany include the Horst-Wessel-Lied (the Nazi Party's anthem), the swastika and the Nazi salute. Things that are not banned (but some people think they are) include Deutschland, Deutschland über alles, the pre-1935 version of the Imperial War Flag, and Mein Kampf.
Mein Kampf was never actually banned, although if you had a copy proudly displayed in your home, any visitors might have suddenly remembered a pressing engagement elsewhere. It was written before the Nazis took power, so isn't a symbol of the Nazi regime -- just a really badly-written autobiography livened up with the occasional antisemitic rant.
After Hitler's death, none of his heirs wanted anything to do with Mein Kampf, so the copyright passed to the state of Bavaria, as that was his last officially registered place of residence. The state of Bavaria simply refused permission for anyone in Germany to reprint it, even when it was widely available on the internet and the German authorities had no legal grounds to block it.
The copyright lapsed at the end of 2015, so the text is now in the public domain in Germany. An annotated version made headlines in April when it topped a non-fiction bestseller list in Germany, although that was really a fluke: about 85,000 copies were sold, most to historians, academics, research institutes, libraries and so on. (By comparison, the biggest non-fiction bestseller in Germany in the last 10 years was Ich bin dann mal weg, comedian Hape Kerkeling's account of a pilgrimage he went on, and it sold five million copies.)
Things that are banned in Germany include the Horst-Wessel-Lied (the Nazi Party's anthem), the swastika and the Nazi salute. Things that are not banned (but some people think they are) include Deutschland, Deutschland über alles, the pre-1935 version of the Imperial War Flag, and Mein Kampf.
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well folks used to throw darts at pictures of maggi thatcher and more than one labour leader.....
I dont think the intent is really that much different
I dont think the intent is really that much different
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Lord Foul wrote:ahh...got it...and now it makes sense
Mein Kampf was never actually banned, although if you had a copy proudly displayed in your home, any visitors might have suddenly remembered a pressing engagement elsewhere. It was written before the Nazis took power, so isn't a symbol of the Nazi regime -- just a really badly-written autobiography livened up with the occasional antisemitic rant.
After Hitler's death, none of his heirs wanted anything to do with Mein Kampf, so the copyright passed to the state of Bavaria, as that was his last officially registered place of residence. The state of Bavaria simply refused permission for anyone in Germany to reprint it, even when it was widely available on the internet and the German authorities had no legal grounds to block it.
The copyright lapsed at the end of 2015, so the text is now in the public domain in Germany. An annotated version made headlines in April when it topped a non-fiction bestseller list in Germany, although that was really a fluke: about 85,000 copies were sold, most to historians, academics, research institutes, libraries and so on. (By comparison, the biggest non-fiction bestseller in Germany in the last 10 years was Ich bin dann mal weg, comedian Hape Kerkeling's account of a pilgrimage he went on, and it sold five million copies.)
Things that are banned in Germany include the Horst-Wessel-Lied (the Nazi Party's anthem), the swastika and the Nazi salute. Things that are not banned (but some people think they are) include Deutschland, Deutschland über alles, the pre-1935 version of the Imperial War Flag, and Mein Kampf.
Where do you think Mein kampf is the biggest seller now mate?
I have read the book for historical knowledge
Its hard reading at best anyway
Anyway, glad we cleared things up mate
Like I said, the only thing that is a criminal offense in Germany, is actually Holocaust denial
Dont thinl that should be a criminal offense, but can understand why the Germans feel touchy over that
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and again I think you are proposing a false argument didge
Its not about a "woman" or even a "woman in a burka"
Its about that one particular woman whose face is there, the face of an UNREPENTANT terrorist.
Its not about a "woman" or even a "woman in a burka"
Its about that one particular woman whose face is there, the face of an UNREPENTANT terrorist.
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Lord Foul wrote:well folks used to throw darts at pictures of maggi thatcher and more than one labour leader.....
I dont think the intent is really that much different
Sorry, but how is that ever right?
So okay lets use that
Were they throwing the darts at her, due to being a Tory, of for being the dominant woman and leader she was?
If people threw darts at a woman on a dart board, they were man haters
Plain and simple, as she was one person that lead a Tory party
Why was their anger not centered on actually the Tory party?
She only ever held one vote alongside many other tories
See how in effect the hate is centered against the woman here?
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Thor wrote:Lord Foul wrote:ahh...got it...and now it makes sense
Mein Kampf was never actually banned, although if you had a copy proudly displayed in your home, any visitors might have suddenly remembered a pressing engagement elsewhere. It was written before the Nazis took power, so isn't a symbol of the Nazi regime -- just a really badly-written autobiography livened up with the occasional antisemitic rant.
After Hitler's death, none of his heirs wanted anything to do with Mein Kampf, so the copyright passed to the state of Bavaria, as that was his last officially registered place of residence. The state of Bavaria simply refused permission for anyone in Germany to reprint it, even when it was widely available on the internet and the German authorities had no legal grounds to block it.
The copyright lapsed at the end of 2015, so the text is now in the public domain in Germany. An annotated version made headlines in April when it topped a non-fiction bestseller list in Germany, although that was really a fluke: about 85,000 copies were sold, most to historians, academics, research institutes, libraries and so on. (By comparison, the biggest non-fiction bestseller in Germany in the last 10 years was Ich bin dann mal weg, comedian Hape Kerkeling's account of a pilgrimage he went on, and it sold five million copies.)
Things that are banned in Germany include the Horst-Wessel-Lied (the Nazi Party's anthem), the swastika and the Nazi salute. Things that are not banned (but some people think they are) include Deutschland, Deutschland über alles, the pre-1935 version of the Imperial War Flag, and Mein Kampf.
Where do you think Mein kampf is the biggest seller now mate?
I have read the book for historical knowledge
Its hard reading at best anyway
It has the literary style of a long dead and well festered moose
Anyway, glad we cleared things up mate
Like I said, the only thing that is a criminal offense in Germany, is actually Holocaust denial
and giving nazi salutes, and wearing nazi symbols
Dont thinl that should be a criminal offense, but can understand why the Germans feel touchy over that
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Lord Foul wrote:and again I think you are proposing a false argument didge
Its not about a "woman" or even a "woman in a burka"
Its about that one particular woman whose face is there, the face of an UNREPENTANT terrorist.
How about this terrorist then?
At he timke he was in prison he was unrependant
Stop using timescales as an argument and actually starting seeing the reality she was groomed
Does that mean I excuse her hateful views?
No, but I understand she has been groomed
Its targeting an unarmed woman plain and simple and you have condemned her based on her beliefs and views to be seen as a target. to then justify this
You have no moral ground on this and I do not even support her what so ever on her views
You just tried to justify her being seen as a legitimate target
I guess smelly would shit a brick, when she was carrying the unborn child
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Thor wrote:Lord Foul wrote:well folks used to throw darts at pictures of maggi thatcher and more than one labour leader.....
I dont think the intent is really that much different
Sorry, but how is that ever right?
So okay lets use that
Were they throwing the darts at her, due to being a Tory, of for being the dominant woman and leader she was?
If people threw darts at a woman on a dart board, they were man haters
Plain and simple, as she was one person that lead a Tory party
Why was their anger not centered on actually the Tory party?
She only ever held one vote alongside many other tories
See how in effect the hate is centered against the woman here?
false argument again didge......they also threw darts at pictures of kinnock and....umm....Foot
its the fact that they as leaders of the party are the representatives of said party, man or woman doesnt matter........you hate the head of the snake...not its tail, and unfortunately through her own actions and then words (being totally unrepentant and showing no remorse) this begun woman has placed herself in the position of being a visible face and representative of ISIS
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Lord Foul wrote:Thor wrote:
Sorry, but how is that ever right?
So okay lets use that
Were they throwing the darts at her, due to being a Tory, of for being the dominant woman and leader she was?
If people threw darts at a woman on a dart board, they were man haters
Plain and simple, as she was one person that lead a Tory party
Why was their anger not centered on actually the Tory party?
She only ever held one vote alongside many other tories
See how in effect the hate is centered against the woman here?
false argument again didge......they also threw darts at pictures of kinnock and....umm....Foot
its the fact that they as leaders of the party are the representatives of said party, man or woman doesnt matter........you hate the head of the snake...not its tail, and unfortunately through her own actions and then words (being totally unrepentant and showing no remorse) this begun woman has placed herself in the position of being a visible face and representative of ISIS
Hello?
The view point is that its wrong also against Kinnock as well
Just ebcause someone does a wrong, does not mke it a right morally
As its hateful against that persons well being
Hating the head of the snake is one thing. Maybe you should have learnt not to entice the head, and that it would leave you alone the snake
Only when cournered would it rear up and might bite back
So i am sorry, going off what others do, in hate, is not a defense to back hate
Period
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To me this just shows the result of media hysteria. While I agree with Begum losing her citizenship (provided Bangladesh will have her) she is the only or even worse case of a British citizen betraying the nation for IS.
She's just the most publicised.
And this is how some idiots react. It does send a poisonous message to people, especially kids. Thank fuck this is England at least, where every Tom, Dick and Hill Billy doesn't keep a gun at home.
She's just the most publicised.
And this is how some idiots react. It does send a poisonous message to people, especially kids. Thank fuck this is England at least, where every Tom, Dick and Hill Billy doesn't keep a gun at home.
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