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Post by eddie Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:14 am

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An expectant mum has picked out the perfect name for her son, including a middle name that means a lot to her, but there's just one problem with it.

The name she wants to use is special because it belonged to her ex-boyfriend who passed away, and it's fair to say her current boyfriend isn't feeling all that good about it.

In a post on Reddit, the dad-to-be, asked the good people of the internet whether he was an "a**hole* for not wanting to name his son after his girlfriend's ex.

He wrote: "My girlfriend and I are expecting our first born son.

"The other night when discussing names, she said she would like his middle name to be that of her ex, who died. Saying further that it would mean a lot to his family who she is still close with."

The unnamed man said the name would make him "really uncomfortable" and he didn't want to do it, but his partner didn't see a problem with it.

He continued: "I don't want to tell people, especially my son, that he is partly named after another man who his mum loved before me.

"She said, 'Why can't you say he is named after my friend who died? We weren't even together when he died'."

To make matters more complicated, the ex died of a drug overdose, and the dad doesn't want to have to tell his child that fact either.

He finished his post by saying he felt it was "pretty s*****" of his girlfriend to ask him to do this in the first place.


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/man-shocked-girlfriends-baby-name-14037941


What do you all think? Bit of a tough one.
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Post by Maddog Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:03 pm

Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:I think that no matter what the baby is named, this guy is going to be paying child support.  

She is displaying zero respect for the man in her life and I seriously doubt that's going to change.

He obviously should pay child support, it's his baby.

He should have noticed the lack of respect she was paying him before she got pregnant, it certainly doesn't bode well for a happy relationship if they cant agree on something like this even before the baby is born
I meant he will be paying it because there will be no relationship soon.  

And yeah, he should have figured that out sooner or taken precautions to not impregnate her. 

Of course I was as dumb as him once. Actually twice.  My daughters are beautiful and well adjusted in spite of the fact their parents had a shitty  relationship.   Wink
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Post by eddie Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:42 pm

And of course, a lot of pregnancies are simply accidents.
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Post by Syl Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:47 pm

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:

He obviously should pay child support, it's his baby.

He should have noticed the lack of respect she was paying him before she got pregnant, it certainly doesn't bode well for a happy relationship if they cant agree on something like this even before the baby is born
I meant he will be paying it because there will be no relationship soon.  

And yeah, he should have figured that out sooner or taken precautions to not impregnate her. 

Of course I was as dumb as him once. Actually twice.  My daughters are beautiful and well adjusted in spite of the fact their parents had a shitty  relationship.   Wink

Well if kids are loved they will hopefully grow up to be great despite their parents relationship.
You have a good relationship with them now you obviously did plenty right.




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Post by Maddog Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:50 pm

eddie wrote:And of course, a lot of pregnancies are simply accidents.
All of mine were. 

Sorta. 

I mean being on the pill only prevents them if you actually take them correctly.
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Post by eddie Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:54 pm

Maddog wrote:
eddie wrote:And of course, a lot of pregnancies are simply accidents.
All of mine were. 

Sorta. 

I mean being on the pill only prevents them if you actually take them correctly.

Missed them on purpose? I hate when women do that.
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Post by Maddog Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:56 pm

eddie wrote:
Maddog wrote:
All of mine were. 

Sorta. 

I mean being on the pill only prevents them if you actually take them correctly.

Missed them on purpose? I hate when women do that.
Nah. Just being young and careless.
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Post by Syl Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:58 pm

eddie wrote:And of course, a lot of pregnancies are simply accidents.

True, I got pregnant a month after we married...the plan was to wait 2 years and save the full amount to buy a house outright, in those days that was possible. 25 years later we actually finally paid for the house. Laughing

Never regretted it though.
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Post by Original Quill Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:00 pm

Since she's making such an issue of it, has the fetus been prenatally DNA tested? It's imperative anyway, because of so many genetic issues that need to be a part of the child's medical records, but it will tell if the current bf--what the article calls "dad-to-be," perhaps prematurely--is the father.

That should guide his decision as to whether he should accept paternity. It certainly will explain a lot. Could be he's completely out of the loop.

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Post by Guest Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:09 pm

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

do you know what being cucked is??

its blatantly what is happening in this story, and if ben doesnt see a problem with it.......................................

You seem to have a real problem with women in general. I thought it was about women who get abortions, but it seems to go much further than that.

Yeah I'm sorry about not supporting murdering babies.

If you're cool with that, that's your burden to bear.

And this isn't about women this is about YOU not batting an eyelid at some bloke getting cucked,even going so far as to say you see the problem.

Did you feel really guilty after watching that Gillette advert??


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Post by Syl Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:09 pm

Original Quill wrote:Since she's making such an issue of it, has the fetus been prenatally DNA tested?  It's imperative anyway, because of so many genetic issues that need to be a part of the child's medical records, but it will tell if the current bf--what the article calls "dad-to-be," perhaps prematurely--is the father.

That should guide his decision as to whether he should accept paternity.  It certainly will explain a lot.  Could be he's completely out of the loop.

Why put an unborn baby at risk by testing it's DNA for goodness sake.
IF....there was cause to doubt the paternity he could have that done after the baby is born when there is no risk to it's health.
Nowhere does this man imply his girlfriend has been unfaithful anyway....that's just your assumption.
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Post by Ben Reilly Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:22 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

do you know what being cucked is??

its blatantly what is happening in this story, and if ben doesnt see a problem with it.......................................

You seem to have a real problem with women in general. I thought it was about women who get abortions, but it seems to go much further than that.

Yeah I'm sorry about not supporting murdering babies.

If you're cool with that, that's your burden to bear.

And this isn't about women this is about YOU not batting an eyelid at some bloke getting cucked,even going so far as to say you see the problem.

Did you feel really guilty after watching that Gillette advert??


What Gillette commercial?
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Post by Original Quill Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:44 pm

smelly-b wrote:Yeah I'm sorry about not supporting murdering babies.

You do it every time you wank-off, Russ. Though, in your case, I think you might be doing humanity a favor. Laughing

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Post by Guest Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:01 pm

Original Quill wrote:
smelly-b wrote:Yeah I'm sorry about not supporting murdering babies.

You do it every time you wank-off, Russ.  Though, in your case, I think you might be doing humanity a favor.  Laughing

thats a shit retort

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Post by eddie Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:02 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
Original Quill wrote:
smelly-b wrote:Yeah I'm sorry about not supporting murdering babies.

You do it every time you wank-off, Russ.  Though, in your case, I think you might be doing humanity a favor.  Laughing

thats a shit retort

Made me chuckle.
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Post by Guest Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:17 pm

eddie wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

thats a shit retort

Made me chuckle.

i suppose if i think about it and say "im killing off millions of lefties and liberal sperm" it is kinda funny, i can be my own little hitler

BOOM!!!!! (cumface)

i just murdered a million hillary clintons

youre right eddie, that is funny as fuck lol!



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Post by eddie Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:19 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
eddie wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

thats a shit retort

Made me chuckle.

i suppose if i think about it and say "im killing off millions of lefties and liberal sperm" it is kinda funny, i can be my own little hitler

BOOM!!!!! (cumface)

i just murdered a million hillary clintons

youre right eddie, that is funny as fuck  lol!



I dont like Hillary Clinton either. Wank away!
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Post by Ben Reilly Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:23 pm

So smelly, do you think you're full of lefty sperm?

And if so, where do you think it all "came" from?
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Post by Guest Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:27 pm

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:So smelly, do you think you're full of lefty sperm?

And if so, where do you think it all "came" from?

Not any more.

I'm a genocidal maniac

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Post by Guest Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:27 pm

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:So smelly, do you think you're full of lefty sperm?

And if so, where do you think it all "came" from?

+1

Laughing

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Post by Guest Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:30 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:So smelly, do you think you're full of lefty sperm?

And if so, where do you think it all "came" from?

Not any more.

I'm a genocidal maniac


Sound more like a case of cumpulsive masterbating

Have you actually tried talking to women?

Or is pictures on a screen as far as you go?

Laughing

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Post by eddie Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:32 pm

Thor wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:
>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:So smelly, do you think you're full of lefty sperm?

And if so, where do you think it all "came" from?

Not any more.

I'm a genocidal maniac


Sound more like a case of cumpulsive masterbating

Have you actually tried talking to women?

Or is pictures on a screen as far as you go?

Laughing

He watches LeftyLesbiansPorn.com geek
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Post by Guest Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:37 pm

eddie wrote:
Thor wrote:


Sound more like a case of cumpulsive masterbating

Have you actually tried talking to women?

Or is pictures on a screen as far as you go?

Laughing

He watches LeftyLesbiansPorn.com geek


Its it like this?    Laughing

She is teaching him how to wank properly....

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Post by Guest Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:14 pm

eddie wrote:Man shocked by girlfriend's baby name choice - but she doesn't see a problem - Page 2 3489511464

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t26428-answer-the-post-not-the-poster

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Post by Guest Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:16 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
eddie wrote:Man shocked by girlfriend's baby name choice - but she doesn't see a problem - Page 2 3489511464

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t26428-answer-the-post-not-the-poster

I answered in regards to your views and prowess on masterbation

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Post by Ben Reilly Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:32 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
eddie wrote:Man shocked by girlfriend's baby name choice - but she doesn't see a problem - Page 2 3489511464

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t26428-answer-the-post-not-the-poster

So was calling me a cuck answering the post and not the poster?

This is your persecution complex starting to kick in - fight it. You're the reason we're at this point of the discussion, not me.
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Post by JulesV Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:46 am

eddie wrote:
An expectant mum has picked out the perfect name for her son, including a middle name that means a lot to her, but there's just one problem with it.

The name she wants to use is special because it belonged to her ex-boyfriend who passed away, and it's fair to say her current boyfriend isn't feeling all that good about it.

In a post on Reddit, the dad-to-be, asked the good people of the internet whether he was an "a**hole* for not wanting to name his son after his girlfriend's ex.

He wrote: "My girlfriend and I are expecting our first born son.

"The other night when discussing names, she said she would like his middle name to be that of her ex, who died. Saying further that it would mean a lot to his family who she is still close with."

The unnamed man said the name would make him "really uncomfortable" and he didn't want to do it, but his partner didn't see a problem with it.

He continued: "I don't want to tell people, especially my son, that he is partly named after another man who his mum loved before me.

"She said, 'Why can't you say he is named after my friend who died? We weren't even together when he died'."

To make matters more complicated, the ex died of a drug overdose, and the dad doesn't want to have to tell his child that fact either.

He finished his post by saying he felt it was "pretty s*****" of his girlfriend to ask him to do this in the first place.


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/man-shocked-girlfriends-baby-name-14037941


What do you all think? Bit of a tough one.

A definite 'no' from me. 
Absurd!
You cannot give the child of your current lover, the name of your previous lover. 
Even as a middle name it's unacceptable.

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Post by Original Quill Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:45 pm

Syl wrote:Why put an unborn baby at risk by testing it's DNA for goodness sake.
IF....there was cause to doubt the paternity he could have that done after the baby is born when there is no risk to it's health.
Nowhere does this man imply his girlfriend has been unfaithful anyway....that's just your assumption.

There is more than paternity at issue. You DNA test so that physicians can know the genetic health of the child, and any unsuspected genetic anomalies. To fail to do so is malpractice.

Prenatal testing is as harmless as post-natal. Testing can be done as early as 7 weeks’ gestation. You get a baby’s DNA from the mother’s blood sample, The fetal DNA combines with the mother’s DNA by passing through the placenta into the mother’s bloodstream.

There are many purposes to DNA test, and it is not done merely to determine paternity. But, while you're at it, why go to pains to avoid it? Truth never hurts, except those who would try to benefit from a lie.

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Post by Syl Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:51 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Syl wrote:Why put an unborn baby at risk by testing it's DNA for goodness sake.
IF....there was cause to doubt the paternity he could have that done after the baby is born when there is no risk to it's health.
Nowhere does this man imply his girlfriend has been unfaithful anyway....that's just your assumption.

There is more than paternity at issue.  You DNA test so that physicians can know the genetic health of the child, and any unsuspected genetic anomalies.  To fail to do so is malpractice.

Prenatal testing is as harmless as post-natal.  Testing can be done as early as 7 weeks’ gestation.  You get a baby’s DNA from the mother’s blood sample,  The fetal DNA combines with the mother’s DNA by passing through the placenta into the mother’s bloodstream.

There are many purposes to DNA test, and it is not done merely to determine paternity.  But, while you're at it, why go to pains to avoid it?  Truth never hurts, except those who would try to benefit from a lie.

Post natal testing affords no risk of harming the baby, prenatal tests do.
Why risk the health even life of an unborn child unnecessarily?

"Prenatal paternity testing is a sensitive subject because of the ethical and moral issues involved, including the risks of an invasive test (see below). Many doctors are unwilling to carry out a prenatal paternity test, especially if confirming the baby's father's identity is the only reason for the test.

So that the unborn baby's DNA can be analysed, the pregnant woman will also need to provide a sample of:
fluid from the womb (amniotic fluid) containing cells from the baby, or
tissue from the placenta
A sample of fluid from the womb is collected by inserting a needle through the abdomen. This procedure is called amniocentesis.
A sample of tissue from the placenta is collected by passing a needle through the wall of the abdomen, or passing a small tube through the vagina and the neck of the womb (cervix). This procedure is called chorionic villus sampling (CVS)."


https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/mens-health/what-is-a-prenatal-paternity-test/
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Post by Original Quill Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:10 pm

Prenatal testing is as harmless as post-natal.  Testing can be done as early as 7 weeks’ gestation.  You get a baby’s DNA from the mother’s blood sample.  The fetal DNA combines with the mother’s DNA by passing through the placenta into the mother’s bloodstream.

Nothing invasive about it.  A simple finger prick, and it's done.  Besides, as this couple is not married, it doesn't have to be prenatal.  Don't know about UK, but in California one can contest paternity for purposes of child support, inheritance, etc., within six (6) months.

And, paternal testing is not offensive in the US.  It is required in many states, as the father has as little as six (6) months to contest paternity.  Gone are the days when someone could hide the fact, if they were so devious.

Regardless of reason, DNA testing is mandatory for medical reasons.  It is so significant as to be labeled irresponsible not to test.

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Post by Syl Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:32 pm

Original Quill wrote:Prenatal testing is as harmless as post-natal.  Testing can be done as early as 7 weeks’ gestation.  You get a baby’s DNA from the mother’s blood sample.  The fetal DNA combines with the mother’s DNA by passing through the placenta into the mother’s bloodstream.

Nothing invasive about it.  A simple finger prick, and it's done.  Besides, as this couple is not married, it doesn't have to be prenatal.  Don't know about UK, but in California one can contest paternity for purposes of child support, inheritance, etc., within six (6) months.

And, paternal testing is not offensive in the US.  It is required in many states, as the father has as little as six (6) months to contest paternity.  Gone are the days when someone could hide the fact, if they were so devious.

Regardless of reason, DNA testing is mandatory for medical reasons.  It is so significant as to be labeled irresponsible not to test.

There is a risk Quill, as shown in the NHS advice link I posted, so if the test is to be done simply to establish paternity why not wait till after the baby is born?
Why would it be considered irresponsible not to carry out DNA testing in the US?
Do that many men doubt they are the father?
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Post by Original Quill Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:44 am

Syl wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Prenatal testing is as harmless as post-natal.  Testing can be done as early as 7 weeks’ gestation.  You get a baby’s DNA from the mother’s blood sample.  The fetal DNA combines with the mother’s DNA by passing through the placenta into the mother’s bloodstream.

Nothing invasive about it.  A simple finger prick, and it's done.  Besides, as this couple is not married, it doesn't have to be prenatal.  Don't know about UK, but in California one can contest paternity for purposes of child support, inheritance, etc., within six (6) months.

And, paternal testing is not offensive in the US.  It is required in many states, as the father has as little as six (6) months to contest paternity.  Gone are the days when someone could hide the fact, if they were so devious.

Regardless of reason, DNA testing is mandatory for medical reasons.  It is so significant as to be labeled irresponsible not to test.

There is a risk Quill, as shown in the NHS advice link I posted, so if the test is to be done simply to establish paternity why not wait till after the baby is born?

You could do that. But there's no risk to a finger prick.

Syl wrote:Why would it be considered irresponsible not to carry out DNA testing in the US?
Do that many men doubt they are the father?

You seem obsessed with the paternity portion of the test. The child must be tested anyway. If the child comes up with some irreversible congenital disease or defect that might have been caught with early DNA testing, the mother has only herself to blame.

I don't think it is the men who doubt they are the father.

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Post by Syl Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:40 pm

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Syl wrote:

There is a risk Quill, as shown in the NHS advice link I posted, so if the test is to be done simply to establish paternity why not wait till after the baby is born?

You could do that.  But there's no risk to a finger prick.

Syl wrote:Why would it be considered irresponsible not to carry out DNA testing in the US?
Do that many men doubt they are the father?

You seem obsessed with the paternity portion of the test.  The child must be tested anyway.  If the child comes up with some irreversible congenital disease or defect that might have been caught with early DNA testing, the mother has only herself to blame.

I don't think it is the men who doubt they are the father.

Quill, this was your first post in the thread...

"And what if the kid was sired by the dead bf? Someone should be counting fingers, here."
...and you have stuck to your theme throughout.
YOU are the one who is doubting the mans paternity not me, I was just countering your opinions.

Expectant mothers have the usual screening and ultra sound tests done here, they dont automatically have the more invasive tests that you keep mentioning  unless there is reason to think the baby could have some sort of congenital defect?
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Post by Original Quill Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:35 pm

Syl wrote:Quill, this was your first post in the thread...

"And what if the kid was sired by the dead bf? Someone should be counting fingers, here."...and you have stuck to your theme throughout.
YOU are the one who is doubting the mans paternity not me, I was just countering your opinions.

Expectant mothers have the usual screening and ultra sound tests done here, they dont automatically have the more invasive tests that you keep mentioning unless there is reason to think the baby could have some sort of congenital defect?

Throughout this discussion we have been addressing two issues: 1) genetic history of the child; and 2) the issue of paternity. Since they both involve the same test, naturally they will be done at the same time.

It doesn't matter whether is is prenatal or post-natal. The tests must be done as a part of the genetic history of the child. The test must include paternity, because that is part of the genetic history too.

Paternity is also at issue because so many legal problems arise under statutory schemes and decedent's estates, and because they are important in determining parental responsibility, child support, etc. So there are two concerns. They do not negate one another, and neither cancels the other out. And they are both accomplished by the same test.

To fail to DNA-test would be grossly irresponsible.

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Post by Syl Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:19 pm

1......A DNA test is only done here on request if it's simply to establish paternity.. it wont normally be done on the NHS.
It wont usually be performed prenatally either.

2...If there are worries that the baby may have certain genetic defects the test will be available prenatally, for obvious reasons.

You keep insisting the test MUST be done....that's not the case here....it's normally only done for the two reasons given.
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Post by eddie Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:48 pm

I’m not understanding why a DNA test is even being mentioned? scratch
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Post by Original Quill Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:50 am

Syl wrote:1......A DNA test is only done here on request if it's simply to establish paternity.. it wont normally be done on the NHS.
It wont usually be performed prenatally either.

To conduct a DNA test without paternity would be malpractice.

Syl wrote:2...If there are worries that the baby may have certain genetic defects the test will be available prenatally, for obvious reasons.

You keep insisting the test MUST be done....that's not the case here....it's normally only done for the two reasons given.

One of the first questions a doctor might ask you is, what did your father die of?  It might be pancreatic cancer or it might be heart disease.  The doctor is looking into your genetic history to see what are your vulnerabilities today.  If you don't even know who your father is, you could be misleading your health records (and your doctor) massively.

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Post by Raggamuffin Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:19 am

Doesn't it depend on when the ex died? If he died ages ago, there's no need for a DNA test anyway.
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Post by Syl Sat Mar 02, 2019 4:43 pm

eddie wrote:I’m not understanding why a DNA test is even being mentioned? scratch

Quill seems to think it's a necessity.

I only know of one couple who had DNA tests AFTER the baby was born, it's certainly not standard practice in the UK.
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Post by Original Quill Sat Mar 02, 2019 6:00 pm

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eddie wrote:I’m not understanding why a DNA test is even being mentioned? scratch

Quill seems to think it's a necessity.

I only know of one couple who had DNA tests AFTER the baby was born, it's certainly not standard practice in the UK.

It is a standard practice in the US, and I understand in some states mandatory.

It augments the baby's medical records by identifying the parents, and then goes on to incorporate their medical and health history into his or hers. If you have a father and grandfather who died of prostate and testicular cancer, you know there is an issue to look for in the male reproductive system--obviously, if the child is a boy. You don't need to know why, it's sufficient to know where and at what age to look.

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Post by Syl Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:43 pm

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Syl wrote:

Quill seems to think it's a necessity.

I only know of one couple who had DNA tests AFTER the baby was born, it's certainly not standard practice in the UK.

It is a standard practice in the US, and I understand in some states mandatory.

It augments the baby's medical records by identifying the parents, and then goes on to incorporate their medical and health history into his or hers.  If you have a father and grandfather who died of prostate and testicular cancer, you know there is an issue to look for in the male reproductive system--obviously, if the child is a boy.  You don't need to know why, it's sufficient to know where and at what age to look.

If you have a father and grandfather who died of prostrate cancer I doubt those conditions would show up by amnioecentesis.
Some genetic diseases can be tested for prenatally, Downs and Spina Bifida for example, but it's certainly not normal practice here unless a serious problem is suspected.

I think maybe if it's standard practice in the US that is where the confusion arises in this thread.
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Post by Original Quill Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:34 pm

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Original Quill wrote:

It is a standard practice in the US, and I understand in some states mandatory.

It augments the baby's medical records by identifying the parents, and then goes on to incorporate their medical and health history into his or hers.  If you have a father and grandfather who died of prostate and testicular cancer, you know there is an issue to look for in the male reproductive system--obviously, if the child is a boy.  You don't need to know why, it's sufficient to know where and at what age to look.

If you have a father and grandfather who died of prostrate cancer I doubt those conditions would show up by amnioecentesis.

No, but it would be helpful if you knew that such father and grandfather were not related to you, wouldn't it? If they are unrelated--if they are not your father and grandfather--you go find out who is your father and grandfather, so you can look into their genetic issues. The connection is key.

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Post by eddie Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:36 pm

It is so not mandatory or a standard practice in the United States! What the actual fuck are you talking about Quill?
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Post by Ben Reilly Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:38 pm

Original Quill wrote:Prenatal testing is as harmless as post-natal.  Testing can be done as early as 7 weeks’ gestation.  You get a baby’s DNA from the mother’s blood sample.  The fetal DNA combines with the mother’s DNA by passing through the placenta into the mother’s bloodstream.

Nothing invasive about it.  A simple finger prick, and it's done.  Besides, as this couple is not married, it doesn't have to be prenatal.  Don't know about UK, but in California one can contest paternity for purposes of child support, inheritance, etc., within six (6) months.

And, paternal testing is not offensive in the US.  It is required in many states, as the father has as little as six (6) months to contest paternity.  Gone are the days when someone could hide the fact, if they were so devious.

Regardless of reason, DNA testing is mandatory for medical reasons.  It is so significant as to be labeled irresponsible not to test.

Can you provide some links to back that up? I've never heard of such a thing and it sounds illegal (unconstitutional invasion of privacy) to me.
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Post by Original Quill Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:11 pm

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Prenatal testing is as harmless as post-natal.  Testing can be done as early as 7 weeks’ gestation.  You get a baby’s DNA from the mother’s blood sample.  The fetal DNA combines with the mother’s DNA by passing through the placenta into the mother’s bloodstream.

Nothing invasive about it.  A simple finger prick, and it's done.  Besides, as this couple is not married, it doesn't have to be prenatal.  Don't know about UK, but in California one can contest paternity for purposes of child support, inheritance, etc., within six (6) months.

And, paternal testing is not offensive in the US.  It is required in many states, as the father has as little as six (6) months to contest paternity.  Gone are the days when someone could hide the fact, if they were so devious.

Regardless of reason, DNA testing is mandatory for medical reasons.  It is so significant as to be labeled irresponsible not to test.

Can you provide some links to back that up? I've never heard of such a thing and it sounds illegal (unconstitutional invasion of privacy) to me.

It's called Non-Invasive Prenatal Paternity testing (NIPP). From Drug Diagnostic Center (DDC):

DNA Diagnostic Center wrote:Is it really possible to get a baby’s DNA from the mother’s blood sample?

Yes! As shown in the illustration below, the fetal DNA combines with the mother’s DNA by passing through the placenta into the mother’s bloodstream.

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https://dnacenter.com/dna-paternity-test/non-invasive-prenatal-paternity-test/?gphone=1-877-232-0288&gdnis=0288&gclid=bingads&msclkid=cdb7ebcd1a74103f5983b7b0b73741c4

In what way would it be an invasion for a hospital or clinic to perform testing as a part of the child's healthcare record? An adult might complain about giving up one's DNA under the 4th Amendment, but presumably either parent could consent for an infant.

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Post by eddie Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:20 pm

But it isn’t mandatory!
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Post by Maddog Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:41 pm

eddie wrote:But it isn’t mandatory!

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Post by Original Quill Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:41 am

eddie wrote:But it isn’t mandatory!

There are 50 states and various territories. It depends.

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Post by Syl Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:22 pm

According to the NHS the very same test in the UK IS invasive and it DOES carry a risk to the unborn baby.....but then, the NHS isn't trying to flog anything.

https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/mens-health/what-is-a-prenatal-paternity-test/

"DNA from the unborn baby.

Prenatal paternity testing is a sensitive subject because of the ethical and moral issues involved, including the risks of an invasive test (see below). Many doctors are unwilling to carry out a prenatal paternity test, especially if confirming the baby's father's identity is the only reason for the test.


So that the unborn baby's DNA can be analysed, the pregnant woman will also need to provide a sample of:
fluid from the womb (amniotic fluid) containing cells from the baby, or
tissue from the placenta
A sample of fluid from the womb is collected by inserting a needle through the abdomen. This procedure is called amniocentesis.
A sample of tissue from the placenta is collected by passing a needle through the wall of the abdomen, or passing a small tube through the vagina and the neck of the womb (cervix). This procedure is called chorionic villus sampling (CVS).

Amniocentesis and CVS have a small risk of miscarriage."
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Post by Original Quill Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:04 pm

Syl wrote:Prenatal paternity testing is a sensitive subject because of the ethical and moral issues involved, including the risks of an invasive test (see below). Many doctors are unwilling to carry out a prenatal paternity test, especially if confirming the baby's father's identity is the only reason for the test.

That is a legal question, not a clinical matter.

I will say, if doctors were unwilling to prove paternity it would result in a lot of offspring without child support.

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