Making it illegal to help the homeless

by Maddog Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:06 pm

For the past four years, Deliverance San Diego has been delivering hot meals to the city’s homeless population every Friday, averaging 200 donated meals on any given evening. Now, due to new guidelines passed by the State Legislature of California, the non-profit is ceasing operations and will dissolve by the end of the month.
Through their existing model, hot meals were prepared in volunteer homes and distributed on the streets.
“Volunteers from various churches gather at 17th and Commercial downtown to load four food wagons with chili, soup, cornbread, water, and other snacks,” the group’s web site explains. "We offer prayer and spiritual support, but one of the easiest things we do is get someone’s name and remember it.”

Charity Under Fire

Through the new requirements, set forth by the San Diego Department of Environmental Health, Deliverance would need to use licensed, state-approved kitchens, implement hand-washing stations, and meet a variety of other requirements.
With a yearly budget of less than $7,000, according to the non-profit’s treasurer, Deliverance determined it can no longer sustain operations without extensive and expensive organizational changes. “We’re on a shoestring budget,” explains volunteer Gary Marttila, “so working out all those logistics became too big of an obstacle to overcome.”
https://fee.org/articles/new-state-regulations-force-a-california-charity-for-the-homeless-to-close-shop/

by Original Quill Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:25 pm

Health is important. The knuckledraggers would scream if there were cockroaches in the soup at their favorite restaurant.

Why carve out a special category for charitable organizations when the issue is cleanliness, not altruism? They should anticipate obeying the law in the first place.

by Maddog Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:38 pm

Original Quill wrote:Health is important. The knuckledraggers would scream if there were cockroaches in the soup at their favorite restaurant.

Why carve out a special category for charitable organizations when the issue is cleanliness, not altruism? They should anticipate obeying the law in the first place.

Why not just leave folks alone when they are helping someone.

I'm OK with you making a sandwich for a homeless guy without a sandwich making permit.

by Maddog Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:38 pm

Original Quill wrote:Health is important. The knuckledraggers would scream if there were cockroaches in the soup at their favorite restaurant.

Why carve out a special category for charitable organizations when the issue is cleanliness, not altruism? They should anticipate obeying the law in the first place.

Why not just leave folks alone when they are helping someone.

I'm OK with you making a sandwich for a homeless guy without a sandwich making permit.

by Original Quill Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:39 pm

Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Health is important. The knuckledraggers would scream if there were cockroaches in the soup at their favorite restaurant.

Why carve out a special category for charitable organizations when the issue is cleanliness, not altruism? They should anticipate obeying the law in the first place.

Why not just leave folks alone when they are helping someone.

I'm OK with you making a sandwich for a homeless guy without a sandwich making permit.

Because, even if helping someone, one must obey laws. The laws exist for public protection, not to obstruct charities. If, by chance, the two conflict...the charitable cause must yield.

If we are not a nation of laws, we descend into banana republic.

by JulesV Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:06 pm

It's the bigger picture which matters.

Mass production of food is one of those issues were personal freedom has to be sacrificed for the greater good of the general community.

by Syl Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:06 pm

It seems very jobsworth. Is the bigger risk eating a meal that has been prepared in a kitchen that hasn't been granted the appropriate licence....or starving/freezing to death?

by JulesV Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:13 pm

An outbreak of food poisoning off one of these randomly prepared meals could spread to the wider community like wildfire.

The demands made for good hygiene here, seem basic, not OTT.

If the new measures will cause hardship, the govt should give them a one off grant to offset that, as it's a humanitarian course.

by Original Quill Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:25 pm

We have had the issue arise over and over here in San Francisco. Local women's groups will make sandwiches for the homeless and bring them downtown to distribute them. You can't fault them...you love them for their kindness and generosity.

Yet, just as you say Jules, you can't take the risk of contaminating food, or spreading disease, because the Department of Health suspended doing their job...for charitable purposes or otherwise.

It's even worse when you take into account that these homeless people are vulnerable, and many would die with disease before they could reach help.

by Maddog Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:01 pm

Jules wrote:It's the bigger picture which matters.

Mass production of food is one of those issues were personal freedom has to be sacrificed for the greater good of the general community.

Can you keep a secret?

Sometimes I buy tamales from little old Mexican ladies and they don't have a license.

I'm a fucking rebel like that though.

Meanwhile, a hungry, homeless person is eating something out of a dumpster because the government want's to keep them from eating food prepared by the sandwich anarchists.

by Maddog Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:04 pm

Churches over here still have what they call pot luck dinners. People cook a dinner and bring it to church.

They also do it at funerals.

People eat each other's food prepared in their own kitchens at home.

It's off the fucking chain crazy. Making it illegal to help the homeless 3922118137

Making it illegal to help the homeless 3922118137

by 'Wolfie Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:19 am

The original story in the o/p is obviously a load of outright bullshit...

Yet another beatup by far-right "libertarian" anti-gov't twonks..

Trust Maddog to be peddling this kind of faux-outrage crap.

You asked what far-right shithole blogsites I claimed you visit, Maddog -- well, that's one of them..

by Maddog Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:24 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

The original story in the o/p is obviously a load of outright bullshit...

Yet another beatup by far-right "libertarian" anti-gov't twonks..

Trust Maddog to be peddling this kind of faux-outrage crap.

You asked what far-right shithole blogsites I claimed you visit, Maddog -- well, that's one of them..

Is it libertarian or far right.

It can't be both.

by Maddog Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:25 am

https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/new-california-laws-forces-local-non-profit-to-shut-down

Is ABC far right, or libertarian? Rolling Eyes

by Maddog Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:27 am

Jules wrote:An outbreak of food poisoning off one of these randomly prepared meals could spread to the wider community like wildfire.

The demands made for good hygiene here, seem basic, not OTT.

If the new measures will cause hardship, the govt should give them a one off grant to offset that, as it's a humanitarian course.

How does food poisoning spread to the wider community?

by Maddog Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:38 am

“We’re kind of on a shoestring budget,” says Marttila. “So working out all those logistics just became too much of an obstacle to overcome.”

Deliverance San Diego posted a message on their website letting everyone know they can no longer serve those in need, but volunteers are willing to with the city or other venues to continue their work.

https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/new-california-laws-forces-local-non-profit-to-shut-down

by 'Wolfie Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:45 am

If it walks like beatup, looks like a beatup, and quacks like a beatup...

Other "soup kitchen" style charities manage to handle hygiene regulations, and keep on keeping on..

This little gang of slovenly self-pious snowflakes, however, "drop their load" at the first hint of food safety regulations, and run off whining to these right-wing anti-gov't faux_journo's.

by Maddog Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:50 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

If it walks like beatup, looks like a beatup, and quacks like a beatup...

Other "soup kitchen" style charities manage to handle hygiene regulations, and keep on keeping on..

This little gang of slovenly self-pious snowflakes, however, "drop their load" at the first hint of food safety regulations, and run off whining to these right-wing anti-gov't faux_journo's.

https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/new-california-laws-forces-local-non-profit-to-shut-down

ABC is a faux journo?

by JulesV Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:58 am

Maddog wrote:
Jules wrote:It's the bigger picture which matters.

Mass production of food is one of those issues were personal freedom has to be sacrificed for the greater good of the general community.

Can you keep a secret?

Sometimes I buy tamales from little old Mexican ladies and they don't have a license.

I'm a fucking rebel like that though.

Meanwhile, a hungry, homeless person is eating something out of a dumpster because the government want's to keep them from eating food prepared by the sandwich anarchists.

Oooooh I won't tell anyone. Top secret!

by JulesV Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:07 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

If it walks like beatup, looks like a beatup, and quacks like a beatup...

Other "soup kitchen" style charities manage to handle hygiene regulations, and keep on keeping on..

This little gang of slovenly self-pious snowflakes, however, "drop their load" at the first hint of food safety regulations, and run off whining to these right-wing anti-gov't faux_journo's.

Ya, there can be no exemptions.
Exemptions would represent the weakest link in the chain of strict food hygiene standards in the community.

For mass produced food, all the surfaces in the kitchen should be scrubbable. The walls should be tiled, like in a loo.
Running hot & cold water is a must.

The volunteer chefs should have a basic hygiene certificate.
They need sound knowledge of how to store food safely, how to dispose food waste safely, what special thermometers to use to ensure the food is piping hot, etc etc.

Here it's a 2 day course to get the certificate.
A good thing to stick on a cv, too, btw.

by 'Wolfie Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:16 am

Down here, there are food vans and soup kitchens run by both organisations like the Salvo's, Seventh Day Adventists, Hare Krishna, various "missions", as well as smaller privately-run groups...

As regulations are introduced, these groups have stepped up, worked around it, chased more funding -- and still they're out there, keeping on doing what they're doing..

That one little bunch of snowflakes in California need to get their act together, grow a spine, and reorganise to meet those ever-changing conditions headon..

by 'Wolfie Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:21 am

Maddog wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

If it walks like beatup, looks like a beatup, and quacks like a beatup...

Other "soup kitchen" style charities manage to handle hygiene regulations, and keep on keeping on..

This little gang of slovenly self-pious snowflakes, however, "drop their load" at the first hint of food safety regulations, and run off whining to these right-wing anti-gov't faux_journo's.

https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/new-california-laws-forces-local-non-profit-to-shut-down

ABC is a faux journo?

Even the best TV networks and newspapers still manage to pass on "beatup" stories, without necessarily verifying all the facts first...

by JulesV Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:33 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Down here, there are food vans and soup kitchens run by both organisations like the Salvo's, Seventh Day Adventists, Hare Krishna, various "missions", as well as smaller privately-run groups...

As regulations are introduced, these groups have stepped up, worked around it, chased more funding -- and still they're out there, keeping on doing what they're doing..

That one little bunch of snowflakes in California need to get their act together, grow a spine, and reorganise to meet those ever-changing conditions headon..

The volunteers have good hearts and good intentions but they need to understand that there's no way round this. They can't swerve the rules that everyone else has to follow.

by Maddog Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:01 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Down here, there are food vans and soup kitchens run by both organisations like the Salvo's, Seventh Day Adventists, Hare Krishna, various "missions", as well as smaller privately-run groups...

As regulations are introduced, these groups have stepped up, worked around it, chased more funding -- and still they're out there, keeping on doing what they're doing..

That one little bunch of snowflakes in California need to get their act together, grow a spine, and reorganise to meet those ever-changing conditions headon..

If you read the story, you would see they are a very small group. They don't have the resources. In any event the homeless are safe from getting a dangerous meal now. The sandwich anarchists have been thwarted.

by Maddog Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:02 am

Jules wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Down here, there are food vans and soup kitchens run by both organisations like the Salvo's, Seventh Day Adventists, Hare Krishna, various "missions", as well as smaller privately-run groups...

As regulations are introduced, these groups have stepped up, worked around it, chased more funding -- and still they're out there, keeping on doing what they're doing..

That one little bunch of snowflakes in California need to get their act together, grow a spine, and reorganise to meet those ever-changing conditions headon..

The volunteers have good hearts and good intentions but they need to understand that there's no way round this. They can't swerve the rules that everyone else has to follow.

They were all doing just fine before the new rule.

by Original Quill Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:44 am

Maddog wrote:
Jules wrote:

The volunteers have good hearts and good intentions but they need to understand that there's no way round this. They can't swerve the rules that everyone else has to follow.

They were all doing just fine before the new rule.

There was no new rule. Health regulations have been in force for decades.

These groups would have no difficulty certifying themselves according to Health regulations if they took the time and effort. What did I tell you was the problem with volunteerism: it's not broad enough, and it doesn't last.

These folks don't want to take the time to qualify for sanitation standards, because they might drop out. They know it is temporary. God bless them for their sweet generosity, but volunteerism is not broad enough, and it doesn't last. In a flit, they are off to save the next person, in the next crusade. The Health Department is permanent and has a lasting responsibility.

by Maddog Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:05 am

Original Quill wrote:
Maddog wrote:

They were all doing just fine before the new rule.

There was no new rule. Health regulations have been in force for decades.

These groups would have no difficulty certifying themselves according to Health regulations if they took the time and effort. What did I tell you was the problem with volunteerism: it's not broad enough, and it doesn't last.

These folks don't want to take the time to qualify for sanitation standards, because they might drop out. They know it is temporary. God bless them for their sweet generosity, but volunteerism is not broad enough, and it doesn't last. In a flit, they are off to save the next person, in the next crusade. The Health Department is permanent and has a lasting responsibility.

New California laws force local non-profit to shut down.

Read first, post second.

by Original Quill Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:19 am

Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

There was no new rule. Health regulations have been in force for decades.

These groups would have no difficulty certifying themselves according to Health regulations if they took the time and effort. What did I tell you was the problem with volunteerism: it's not broad enough, and it doesn't last.

These folks don't want to take the time to qualify for sanitation standards, because they might drop out. They know it is temporary. God bless them for their sweet generosity, but volunteerism is not broad enough, and it doesn't last. In a flit, they are off to save the next person, in the next crusade. The Health Department is permanent and has a lasting responsibility.

New California laws force local non-profit to shut down.

Read first, post second.

Absolute nonsense...don't waste our time. New guidelines, not new laws. Health Department regulations for sanitation have been in place since the 1920's. They may tinker with the rules a bit to meet new circumstances, but the overall law has always covered it.

by Maddog Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:23 am

Original Quill wrote:
Maddog wrote:

New California laws force local non-profit to shut down.

Read first, post second.

Absolute nonsense...don't waste our time. Health Department regulations for sanitation have been in place since the 1920's. They may tinker with the rules a bit to meet new circumstances, but the overall law has always covered it.

New California laws force local non-profit to shut down.

https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/new-california-laws-forces-local-non-profit-to-shut-down

It's right in the title. But that would require you to stop typing your drivel and actually read. Give it a shot. What could go wrong? Making it illegal to help the homeless 2190311264

Making it illegal to help the homeless 2190311264

by Original Quill Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:29 am

You are being silly. The guidelines require a washing station.

But new California laws, that started on January 1st, now require organizations to cook in a kitchen permitted by the Department of Environmental Health. The organizations must also have a washing station while handing out the food.

Like I say, they tinker with the law all the time. Sanitation is sanitation, even if they require a new sink.

You care more about winning this argument, than getting at the truth. Grow up.

by Maddog Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:31 am

Original Quill wrote:You are being silly. The guidelines require a washing station.

But new California laws, that started on January 1st, now require organizations to cook in a kitchen permitted by the Department of Environmental Health. The organizations must also have a washing station while handing out the food.

Like I say, they tinker with the law all the time. Sanitation is sanitation, even if they require a new sink.

New California laws force local non-profit to shut down.

You were wrong. You can't admit it. It's OK.

by Maddog Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:32 am

But here's a little advice.

Read the link, then comment. You seem to forget step one a great deal of the time.

by Original Quill Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:38 am

Maddog wrote:But here's a little advice.

Read the link, then comment. You seem to forget step one a great deal of the time.

Read over this thread when you sober up in the morning, you dumb fook redneck. You're making a mountain out of a molehill.

They could afford a washing station...it would cost $600. The charity just wants to bitch, and the San Diego Union was in need of content on a slow news day.

Get a life.

by Maddog Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:45 am

Original Quill wrote:
Maddog wrote:But here's a little advice.

Read the link, then comment. You seem to forget step one a great deal of the time.

Read over this thread when you sober up in the morning, you dumb fook redneck. You're making a mountain out of a molehill.

They could afford a washing station...it would cost $600. The charity just wants to bitch, and the San Diego Union was in need of content on a slow news day.

Get a life.

I'm sober as can be.

And this redneck can read counselor.

They are small outfit, that is closing up because of a new law.

by Original Quill Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:14 am

Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Read over this thread when you sober up in the morning, you dumb fook redneck. You're making a mountain out of a molehill.

They could afford a washing station...it would cost $600. The charity just wants to bitch, and the San Diego Union was in need of content on a slow news day.

Get a life.

I'm sober as can be.

And this redneck can read counselor.

They are small outfit, that is closing up because of a new law.

It's a pittance. They are just whining because they can, and ABC News is going to listen. Christ sake, they could just comply with the law and be done with it!

by Maddog Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:22 am

Original Quill wrote:
Maddog wrote:

I'm sober as can be.

And this redneck can read counselor.

They are small outfit, that is closing up because of a new law.

It's a pittance. They are just whining because they can, and ABC News is going to listen. Christ sake, they could just comply with the law and be done with it!

It costs money they don't have. Many of these small groups are comprised of people who are not that much wealthier than the people they are helping.

Or in this case, the people that will no longer be helped.

Maybe you could write them a check?

by Maddog Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:31 am

“They require things like restroom faciliities, handwashing stations and some other things that are beyond our resources,” Ross said about the new regulations. “We’re really small. Our budget is less than $7,000.”

Not wanting to violate the new law, the group used the last of its funds to buy 25 sleeping bags and 150 blankets, which they distributed Friday night along with dozens of water bottles while walking with wheeled carts from Sherman Heights to Tailgate Park outside Petco Park

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/homelessness/sd-me-homeless-feeding-20190114-story.html

Well, I guess the homeless are better off now. Thankfully the government in California stopped all of this nonsense.

Maybe they can make being homeless illegal?

That should help the situation?

by 'Wolfie Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:33 am

Maddog wrote:“They require things like restroom faciliities, handwashing stations and some other things that are beyond our resources,” Ross said about the new regulations. “We’re really small. Our budget is less than $7,000.”

Not wanting to violate the new law, the group used the last of its funds to buy 25 sleeping bags and 150 blankets, which they distributed Friday night along with dozens of water bottles while walking with wheeled carts from Sherman Heights to Tailgate Park outside Petco Park

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/homelessness/sd-me-homeless-feeding-20190114-story.html

Well, I guess the homeless are better off now. Thankfully the government in California stopped all of this nonsense.

Maybe they can make being homeless illegal?

That should help the situation?

This is what happens when you have a little group of lazy-minded, unthinking and close minded idiots in charge -- no matter how good their intentions -- not willing to look for solutions/answers as problems arose, but go for the easier 'dummy spit', instead... To wit :

Need for restrooms ? Look for a site close to public toilets !

Handwashing 'stations' : plastic bowls for a sink + bucket for disposal; cold water container, plus a thermos of hot water; hand clean gel; paper towels + garbage bins; disposable gloves..

What groups like that do need is some flexible thinking -- with some leaders willing to "think outside the square".

by Maddog Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:47 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Maddog wrote:“They require things like restroom faciliities, handwashing stations and some other things that are beyond our resources,” Ross said about the new regulations. “We’re really small. Our budget is less than $7,000.”

Not wanting to violate the new law, the group used the last of its funds to buy 25 sleeping bags and 150 blankets, which they distributed Friday night along with dozens of water bottles while walking with wheeled carts from Sherman Heights to Tailgate Park outside Petco Park

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/homelessness/sd-me-homeless-feeding-20190114-story.html

Well, I guess the homeless are better off now. Thankfully the government in California stopped all of this nonsense.

Maybe they can make being homeless illegal?

That should help the situation?

This is what happens when you have a little group of lazy-minded, unthinking and close minded idiots in charge -- no matter how good their intentions -- not willing to look for solutions/answers as problems arose, but go for the easier 'dummy spit', instead... To wit :

Need for restrooms ? Look for a site close to public toilets !

Handwashing 'stations' : plastic bowls for a sink + bucket for disposal; cold water container, plus a thermos of hot water; hand clean gel; paper towels + garbage bins; disposable gloves..

What groups like that do need is some flexible thinking -- with some leaders willing to "think outside the square".

Or you could just leave them alone.

I know worshippers of the state have a terrible time with that concept.

by nicko Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:34 pm

Been a big fuss over Homeless man who died on the Street in London. Video showed a man from a Hostel trying to tell him he had a bed for him. The Homeless man pulled away from him and ran off ! Some do not want to be helped.

by Maddog Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:49 pm

nicko wrote:Been a big fuss over Homeless man who died on the Street in London. Video showed a man from a Hostel trying to tell him he had a bed for him. The Homeless man pulled away from him and ran off ! Some do not want to be helped.

As someone who lives near the shelters, I can tell you they will always take a sandwich and they dont care if it's a state approved sandwich.

Many prefer the freedom of not sleeping in the shelters, no doubt,

by Original Quill Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:09 pm

Maddog wrote:It costs money they don't have.

$600? They have it. They are just enjoying their victim posturing.

by Original Quill Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:12 pm

Maddog wrote:Maybe you could write them a check?

I don’t own the problem. Sorry.

by Maddog Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:13 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Maddog wrote:It costs money they don't have.

$600? They have it. They are just enjoying their victim posturing.

They spent it on sleeping bags.

No worries. The homeless are safe from the sandwich anarchists.

by Original Quill Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:16 pm

Maddog wrote:“They require things like restroom faciliities, handwashing stations and some other things that are beyond our resources,” Ross said about the new regulations. “We’re really small. Our budget is less than $7,000.”

Not wanting to violate the new law, the group used the last of its funds to buy 25 sleeping bags and 150 blankets, which they distributed Friday night along with dozens of water bottles while walking with wheeled carts from Sherman Heights to Tailgate Park outside Petco Park

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/homelessness/sd-me-homeless-feeding-20190114-story.html

Well, I guess the homeless are better off now. Thankfully the government in California stopped all of this nonsense.

Maybe they can make being homeless illegal?

That should help the situation?

Sleeping bags? 150-blankets and bottled water? That was nice of them.

See, they are able to carry on in one fashion or another.

by Original Quill Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:20 pm

Maddog wrote:
nicko wrote:Been a big fuss over Homeless man who died on the Street in London. Video showed a man from a Hostel trying to tell him he had a bed for him. The Homeless man pulled away from him and ran off ! Some do not want to be helped.

As someone who lives near the shelters, I can tell you they will always take a sandwich and they dont care if it's a state approved sandwich.

Many prefer the freedom of not sleeping in the shelters, no doubt,

What we often do in San Francisco is, when we walk into a sandwich shop to get a BLT, we get another one for the homeless guy sitting outside. A sandwich is a sandwich, and the guy doesn't care that it wasn't made at home.

Result: same.

by Maddog Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:22 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Maddog wrote:“They require things like restroom faciliities, handwashing stations and some other things that are beyond our resources,” Ross said about the new regulations. “We’re really small. Our budget is less than $7,000.”

Not wanting to violate the new law, the group used the last of its funds to buy 25 sleeping bags and 150 blankets, which they distributed Friday night along with dozens of water bottles while walking with wheeled carts from Sherman Heights to Tailgate Park outside Petco Park

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/homelessness/sd-me-homeless-feeding-20190114-story.html

Well, I guess the homeless are better off now. Thankfully the government in California stopped all of this nonsense.

Maybe they can make being homeless illegal?

That should help the situation?

Sleeping bags? 150-blankets and bottled water? That was nice of them.

See, they are able to carry on in one fashion or another.

God you're thick.

They are done.

The homeless are safe now.

by Original Quill Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:41 pm

Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Sleeping bags? 150-blankets and bottled water? That was nice of them.

See, they are able to carry on in one fashion or another.

God you're thick.

They are done.

The homeless are safe now.

I'm not thick at all. I'm just right. It's you who can't stand having your wrongheaded anarchy pointed out. I told you this early on...it's not charity if you can't do it fully and correctly. You are just in the way.

I told you, volunteerism is no substitute for government action, because it is always too little, for too short a time. Only the government has the resources to offer a full, and sustaining program of help.

The reason why you like this volunteer effort in San Diego is because it satisfies your lust for libertarian answers--ie, it doesn't cost you anything. Right in the face of what I told you would happen, instead of admitting the truth, you whine, bitch and moan about the onerous burden of public protections. This is on you partner, you're the one who wants to pull the plug on government help, and have volunteers take over.

You own this problem.

by Maddog Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:52 pm

You know what. I support this law in California. It's obvious the people there are two fucking stupid to make sandwiches for each other.

by Original Quill Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:08 pm

Maddog wrote:You know what. I support this law in California. It's obvious the people there are two fucking stupid to make sandwiches for each other.

Good for you.

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