Japanese Supreme Court: Transgender people must have birth genitals removed to qualify as other gender

Japan’s Supreme Court has upheld a law that effectively requires transgender people to be sterilized before they can have their gender changed on official documents.

The court said the law is constitutional because it was meant to reduce confusion in families and society. But it acknowledged that it restricts freedom and could become out of step with changing social values.

The 2004 law states that people wishing to register a gender change must have their original reproductive organs, including testes or ovaries, removed and have a body that “appears to have parts that resemble the genital organs” of the gender they want to register.

The unanimous decision by a four-judge panel, published Thursday, rejected an appeal by Takakito Usui, a transgender man who said forced sterilization violates the right to self-determination and is unconstitutional.

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/japan-s-supreme-court-upholds-transgender-sterilization-requirement-n962721

Okay NewsFix, let 'er rip

like it or not....it IS logical

Lord Foul wrote:like it or not....it IS logical

Agreed +1

Mutilating your genitals in a way that makes them resemble those of the opposite sex, doesn't actually make you become a different biological sex...

Tommy Monk wrote:
Mutilating your genitals in a way that makes them resemble those of the opposite sex, doesn't actually make you become a different biological sex...

I don’t think you understand the genuine trauma that people who feel born in the wrong body, feel. That’s your problem.

I must say if you believe you are born in the wrong body why would you want to keep the genitalia of that body if you could change it, yet many do, at least male genitalia seems to be kept. What's that about?

eddie wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:
Mutilating your genitals in a way that makes them resemble those of the opposite sex, doesn't actually make you become a different biological sex...

I don’t think you understand the genuine trauma that people who feel born in the wrong body, feel. That’s your problem.

Eddie have you ever heard of body integrity identity disorder?

In any situation, why would we readily accept, that removing parts of the human body, will make that condition of the mind any better?

Now I am open to being wrong on this, but how many will go through this removing their sexual organs regretting this?

Again my view to this has more about sexual orientation. Where again many growing up with genders dysphoria, simple come to understand they are gay.

So what happens with the therapy. when they are confused?

Push the view they are trapped in the opposite body, or allow them to find out for themselves this is the case or they are simple gay?

Which is the case for the vast majority of kids growing up confused on this.

When the view is they are confused, the stand point now is to push based on a confusion, with to declare gender dysphoria and then treat based off this bases. To me that is very worrying, when as seen, it can lead to the removal of body parts. Now not a single person who has not had such medical treatments to thwart their puberty, has gone onto want to have phsyical sex changes through  surgery. Yet where kids in teens have had drugs like steroids, they have. There is no studies to show it actually even helps them. Where those that suffer gender dysphoria. Only time will tell on this, but we should not make rash decisions, which basically has already seen some people regret their decisions doing this.

I get your point on the truama some of these people feel, but we dont as well know how removing their genitals will if an even help this feeling. I think we have to stop and question the paths on this. I neve going to deny anyone that wants this kind of surgery, but we would never in any other given situation give the green light to do so. As such methods could end up ruining the sexual lives of people who are simple gay. Hence my view is that something biologica, being gay, is being superceded with a view to declare those confused as gender dysphoria..By such distinctions, are thos thus gay, being let down and made to believe they are something, that they are not?

I don’t know didge, like you, I’m open to views but I do know someone who never felt comfortable being a women. She was genuinely unhappy.

Vintage wrote:I must say if you believe you are born in the wrong body why would you want to keep the genitalia of that body if you could change it, yet many do, at least male genitalia seems to be kept. What's that about?

Which is a really valid point. Thes people to me are simple transexuals, not people that suffer gender dysphoria, in my opinion

If you are born with cock and balls then you are a male... if you are born with a fanny then you are female...

eddie wrote:I don’t know didge, like you, I’m open to views but I do know someone who never felt comfortable being a women. She was genuinely unhappy.

Which is where it does become difficult Eddie

How should we help them without ever showing a bias towards one path

There is definately people out there that certainly believed they are trapped in the wrong body. Its people who's position has never changed for years. They dserve every help and support My concern is as said, when a confusion is then decided, by someone who is not living with this confusion. It makes no sense for someone to even decide at this point and then to go down this path. Yet people are being pushed down a path, when so much is unknown.

So to me, after many years, by the age of 21 and people feel the same they are trapped in the same body, then its their understanding showing this to be the case. Not medical people who are so in the dark as everyone else on this condition. To me we have to allow people to live and see in time who they are.

If your friend is unhappy and I guess for sometime, then to me there is no doubt they suffer gender dysphoria.

The next question to ask, is what can be done to help them? I want to help them, but many of us are clueless on how we can. Just as th medical profession is.

“There is definately people out there that certainly believed they are trapped in the wrong body. Its people who's position has never changed for years. They dserve every help and support My concern is as said, when a confusion is then decided, by someone who is not living with this confusion. It makes no sense for someone to even decide at this point and then to go down this path. Yet people are being pushed down a path, when so much is unknown.“


Definitely agree with that.

Isn't this why people were asked to live as the gender they thought they were, that's the wrong term but I can't think of an alternative at the moment, for a while to ensure it was the right way to go.

There was a case of a person who thought he should be a woman, he had the operations but then decide being a woman was too difficult and apparently had the operation reversed.

Tommy Monk wrote:
Mutilating your genitals in a way that makes them resemble those of the opposite sex, doesn't actually make you become a different biological sex...

No, it doesn't, but it would help them to feel more like it which is what they want.

imagine being born a male and right from an early age you knew deep within yourself that it was wrong and that you were really a girl. you can't bear to see yourself naked in the mirror. every time you have to pee you're reminded you have a dick which you really hate. you cannot express how you feel. your voice starts to deepen and the facial hair is horrifying even traumatising as you watch the body you hated as a boy transforming into that of a man when you know for a fact you're a woman

i highlighted 'imagine' simply because i know it's impossible. you can't imagine it can you? no more than anyone else

it's only the genuine people that suffer than condition that could possibly know how that feels.

these are people that need help and support and sympathy unfortunately the trans activists and radicals are hijacking this issue for their own agenda

Well said, Gelly baby.

gelico wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:
Mutilating your genitals in a way that makes them resemble those of the opposite sex, doesn't actually make you become a different biological sex...

No, it doesn't, but it would help them to feel more like it which is what they want.

imagine being born a male and right from an early age you knew deep within yourself that it was wrong and that you were really a girl. you can't bear to see yourself naked in the mirror.  every time you have to pee you're reminded you have a dick which you really hate.  you cannot express how you feel.  your voice starts to deepen and the facial hair is horrifying even traumatising as you watch the body you hated as a boy transforming into that of a man when you know for a fact you're a woman

i highlighted 'imagine' simply because i know it's impossible.  you can't imagine it can you?  no more than anyone else

it's only the genuine people that suffer than condition that could possibly know how that feels.

these are people that need help and support and sympathy unfortunately the trans activists and radicals are hijacking this issue for their own agenda

Well said.
As far as I know I dont personally know any transgender person, but if they genuinly feel they are the opposite sex to which they were born they really do need help and support.

Logically all transgenders would want to transform their bodies, live solely as the sex they feel they are, in short have a complete physical sex change, but not everyone wants to go that far.....I cant understand that, but I'm not in their shoes, none of us are.

No male really knows what it feels like to be female and no female really knows what it feels like to be male...


They may feel that they don't feel like the typical stereotype of the sex that they actually are... but that doesn't mean that they are in the wrong body and really a different gender to that which they are biologically...!

Tommy Monk wrote:No male really knows what it feels like to be female and no female really knows what it feels like to be male...


They may feel that they don't feel like the typical stereotype of the sex that they actually are... but that doesn't mean that they are in the wrong body and really a different gender to that which they are biologically...!

Do you have the research to back that up?

How many trans people do you know?

gelico wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:
Mutilating your genitals in a way that makes them resemble those of the opposite sex, doesn't actually make you become a different biological sex...

No, it doesn't, but it would help them to feel more like it which is what they want.

imagine being born a male and right from an early age you knew deep within yourself that it was wrong and that you were really a girl. you can't bear to see yourself naked in the mirror.  every time you have to pee you're reminded you have a dick which you really hate.  you cannot express how you feel.  your voice starts to deepen and the facial hair is horrifying even traumatising as you watch the body you hated as a boy transforming into that of a man when you know for a fact you're a woman

i highlighted 'imagine' simply because i know it's impossible.  you can't imagine it can you?  no more than anyone else

it's only the genuine people that suffer than condition that could possibly know how that feels.

these are people that need help and support and sympathy unfortunately the trans activists and radicals are hijacking this issue for their own agenda

+1

Eilzel wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:No male really knows what it feels like to be female and no female really knows what it feels like to be male...


They may feel that they don't feel like the typical stereotype of the sex that they actually are... but that doesn't mean that they are in the wrong body and really a different gender to that which they are biologically...!

Do you have the research to back that up?

How many trans people do you know?

It's common sense!

Do trans people have normal XX/XY chromosomes?

Raggamuffin wrote:Do trans people have normal XX/XY chromosomes?

What has that got to do with the fact many identify with one sex?

Thor wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Do trans people have normal XX/XY chromosomes?

What has that got to do with the fact many identify with one sex?

It could have a lot to do with it. What a dumb question from you.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thor wrote:

What has that got to do with the fact many identify with one sex?

It could have a lot to do with it. What a dumb question from you.

Please explain?

You have no idea on this have you?

Thor wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:




It could have a lot to do with it. What a dumb question from you.

Please explain?

You have no idea on this have you?

Oh dear. You know nothing about science or psychology do you?

Think about it for a while.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thor wrote:

Please explain?

You have no idea on this have you?

Oh dear. You know nothing about science or psychology do you?

Think about it for a while.

I will, whilst waiting for you to actually answer my question

In your own time

These are the chromosomes of someone who doesn’t have XX or XY. This person has XXY. Because they have a Y, they have the reproductive organs of a male.

https://genetics.thetech.org/ask-a-geneticist/transgender-intersex-sex-chromosomes

HoratioTarr wrote:
These are the chromosomes of someone who doesn’t have XX or XY. This person has XXY. Because they have a Y, they have the reproductive organs of a male.

https://genetics.thetech.org/ask-a-geneticist/transgender-intersex-sex-chromosomes

So if they have testicles within their bodies and female reproductive organs
Does that make themk male or female, when they do not have a penis?

What you should ask is how this happened through preganancy

In each case they will be female and define themselves as such

As sex and gender is binary

What I find absurd by Horatio pointing out about intersex, is that it has nothing to do with gender dysphoria. So why even bring this up?

They are two different issues, that people have to deal with

We know some people are intersex an end up choosing which sex
they are

What has that got to do with people who are not intersex choosing their gender preference?

Seriously?

HoratioTarr wrote:
These are the chromosomes of someone who doesn’t have XX or XY. This person has XXY. Because they have a Y, they have the reproductive organs of a male.

https://genetics.thetech.org/ask-a-geneticist/transgender-intersex-sex-chromosomes

Yes, they will be male, but they might develop breast tissue and be a bit weaker, etc.

The article says it's how the person feels which counts, but how does anyone know if an extra X makes a man feel he should be a woman or not? I'm not sure how much research has been done on this. If there is no extra X and a man wants to be a woman, why does he want that?

Thor wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:
These are the chromosomes of someone who doesn’t have XX or XY. This person has XXY. Because they have a Y, they have the reproductive organs of a male.

https://genetics.thetech.org/ask-a-geneticist/transgender-intersex-sex-chromosomes

So if they have testicles within their bodies and female reproductive organs
Does that make themk male or female, when they do not have a penis?

What you should ask is how this happened through preganancy

In each case they will be female and define themselves as such

As sex and gender is binary

You mean intersex? This covers a wide variety of the same 'condition'. Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome for example. Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia is another cause.

As for maternal factors, apparently a pregnant mother may have an androgen-secreting tumour while pregnant, and the excess of this male hormone affected her baby's genital development. In other cases, the placenta may have lacked a particular enzyme which failed to deactivate male hormones from the baby as a result, both the mother and the female baby were masculinised by the excess of these hormones.

http://www.isna.org/faq/conditions/hypospadias

Raggamuffin wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:
These are the chromosomes of someone who doesn’t have XX or XY. This person has XXY. Because they have a Y, they have the reproductive organs of a male.

https://genetics.thetech.org/ask-a-geneticist/transgender-intersex-sex-chromosomes

Yes, they will be male, but they might develop breast tissue and be a bit weaker, etc.

The article says it's how the person feels which counts, but how does anyone know if an extra X makes a man feel he should be a woman or not? I'm not sure how much research has been done on this. If there is no extra X and a man wants to be a woman, why does he want that?

Because we're not our bodies. At least not 100 percent. Our minds, emotions, spirits? Unique to each of us. Why does a man want to dress in women's clothes but he's not homosexual, or trans? Why do some people love Marmite? Why have people existed like Mozart who began composing his first symphony at five? I don't think there's a clinical trial or test that can pin that down.

Thor wrote:What I find absurd by Horatio pointing out about intersex, is that it has nothing to do with gender dysphoria. So why even bring this up?

They are two different issues, that people have to deal with

We know some people are intersex an end up choosing which sex
they are

What has that got to do with people who are not intersex choosing their gender preference?

Seriously?

This is a debate and discussion thread. I'll discuss and debate what I please.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Thor wrote:

So if they have testicles within their bodies and female reproductive organs
Does that make themk male or female, when they do not have a penis?

What you should ask is how this happened through preganancy

In each case they will be female and define themselves as such

As sex and gender is binary

You mean intersex?  This covers a wide variety of the same 'condition'. Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome for example.  Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia is another cause.  

As for maternal factors, apparently  a pregnant mother may have an androgen-secreting tumour while pregnant, and the excess of this male hormone affected her baby's genital development. In other cases, the placenta may have lacked a particular enzyme which failed to deactivate male hormones from the baby as a result, both the mother and the female baby were masculinised by the excess of these hormones.

http://www.isna.org/faq/conditions/hypospadias

Yes I mean intersex or what was once termed as hermaphrodite

What has that got to do with gender dysphoria?

Or people not born with this that self identify

Even people intersex, will idenitfy with either sex, because its binary

So i already know aht you are telling me in regards to mutations tht happen during preganancy. Some have too many high levels of testosterone, which can alter and create babies to become intersex.

Seriously, what the fuck has that got to do with anything here, based on the claimaint in the article?

HoratioTarr wrote:

Thor wrote:What I find absurd by Horatio pointing out about intersex, is that it has nothing to do with gender dysphoria. So why even bring this up?

They are two different issues, that people have to deal with

We know some people are intersex an end up choosing which sex
they are

What has that got to do with people who are not intersex choosing their gender preference?

Seriously?

This is a debate and discussion thread.  I'll discuss and debate what I please.

Well please at least learn this before learning in the last couple of days with google

As again what has intersex got to do with the claim made by the claimaint in the article?

HoratioTarr wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Yes, they will be male, but they might develop breast tissue and be a bit weaker, etc.

The article says it's how the person feels which counts, but how does anyone know if an extra X makes a man feel he should be a woman or not? I'm not sure how much research has been done on this. If there is no extra X and a man wants to be a woman, why does he want that?

Because we're not our bodies.  At least not 100 percent.   Our minds, emotions, spirits?   Unique to each of us.  Why does a man want to dress in women's clothes but he's not homosexual, or trans?  Why do some people love Marmite?   Why have people existed like Mozart who began composing his first symphony at five?   I don't think there's a clinical trial or test that can pin that down.

Yes, but it's not normal for a man to want to be a woman. What I mean is that the X chromosome is what makes a woman "feel" like a woman, so an extra X might make a man "feel" like a woman also. The Y chromosome is normally dominant, but two Xs might make a difference to how someone feels.

It's difficult know how they feel anyway because I don't really know if I feel like a woman or not - because I don't know what it feels like to be male.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Thor wrote:What I find absurd by Horatio pointing out about intersex, is that it has nothing to do with gender dysphoria. So why even bring this up?

They are two different issues, that people have to deal with

We know some people are intersex an end up choosing which sex
they are

What has that got to do with people who are not intersex choosing their gender preference?

Seriously?

This is a debate and discussion thread.  I'll discuss and debate what I please.

Yes, and it's a good discussion. I asked the question and you're addressing it. I don't know why bossy boots is getting het up.

Raggamuffin wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

Because we're not our bodies.  At least not 100 percent.   Our minds, emotions, spirits?   Unique to each of us.  Why does a man want to dress in women's clothes but he's not homosexual, or trans?  Why do some people love Marmite?   Why have people existed like Mozart who began composing his first symphony at five?   I don't think there's a clinical trial or test that can pin that down.

Yes, but it's not normal for a man to want to be a woman. What I mean is that the X chromosome is what makes a woman "feel" like a woman, so an extra X might make a man "feel" like a woman also. The Y chromosome is normally dominant, but two Xs might make a difference to how someone feels.

It's difficult know how they feel anyway because I don't really know if I feel like a woman or not - because I don't know what it feels like to be male.

Based on neurology?

Men and women have different brains

I mean do you think gender dysphoria is based on chromosomes?

Raggamuffin wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

This is a debate and discussion thread.  I'll discuss and debate what I please.

Yes, and it's a good discussion. I asked the question and you're addressing it. I don't know why bossy boots is getting het up.

She posed an irrelavnt and quite dumb fuckwitted point that has nothing to do with people that self identify as transgenders (with or without gender dysphoria), to male or female

HoratioTarr wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Yes, they will be male, but they might develop breast tissue and be a bit weaker, etc.

The article says it's how the person feels which counts, but how does anyone know if an extra X makes a man feel he should be a woman or not? I'm not sure how much research has been done on this. If there is no extra X and a man wants to be a woman, why does he want that?

Because we're not our bodies.  At least not 100 percent.   Our minds, emotions, spirits?   Unique to each of us.  Why does a man want to dress in women's clothes but he's not homosexual, or trans?  Why do some people love Marmite?   Why have people existed like Mozart who began composing his first symphony at five?   I don't think there's a clinical trial or test that can pin that down.

WTF

Why does some men or women bark like a dog and think they are a dog

Its clearly in the mind

That does not mean gender dysphoria is a mental health issue, but the above warped kind of reason is about as idiotic as it gets by using intersex, which is not even based on neurology, when gender dysphoria is.

I mean seriously, what the fuck are you even going on about?

I understand gender dysphoria exists, as does intersex, but they are sperate medical conditions

Thor wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

You mean intersex?  This covers a wide variety of the same 'condition'. Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome for example.  Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia is another cause.  

As for maternal factors, apparently  a pregnant mother may have an androgen-secreting tumour while pregnant, and the excess of this male hormone affected her baby's genital development. In other cases, the placenta may have lacked a particular enzyme which failed to deactivate male hormones from the baby as a result, both the mother and the female baby were masculinised by the excess of these hormones.

http://www.isna.org/faq/conditions/hypospadias

Yes I mean intersex or what was once termed as hermaphrodite

What has that got to do with gender dysphoria?

Or people not born with this that self identify

Even people intersex, will idenitfy with either sex, because its binary

So i already know aht you are telling me in regards to mutations tht happen during preganancy. Some have too many high levels of testosterone, which can alter and create babies to become intersex.

Seriously, what the fuck has that got to do with anything here, based on the claimaint in the article?

Because Ragga asked about genetics.

You're wasting your time as usual by trying to bait me and stir up an argument. I'm not interested in your posts and skip over them mostly. So bang on like a Sally Army lady's tambourine all you like, I won't be interacting with your buffoonery.

Raggamuffin wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

This is a debate and discussion thread.  I'll discuss and debate what I please.

Yes, and it's a good discussion. I asked the question and you're addressing it. I don't know why bossy boots is getting het up.

I'm not sure why he thinks every post on here is focused on him, or directed at him, or answering his demands. As usual, he's hell bent on destroying yet another thread with his rantings.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Thor wrote:

Yes I mean intersex or what was once termed as hermaphrodite

What has that got to do with gender dysphoria?

Or people not born with this that self identify

Even people intersex, will idenitfy with either sex, because its binary

So i already know aht you are telling me in regards to mutations tht happen during preganancy. Some have too many high levels of testosterone, which can alter and create babies to become intersex.

Seriously, what the fuck has that got to do with anything here, based on the claimaint in the article?

Because Ragga asked about genetics.  

You're wasting your time as usual by trying to bait me and stir up an argument.  I'm not  interested in your posts and skip over them mostly.  So bang on like a Sally Army lady's tambourine all you like, I won't be interacting with your buffoonery.

I am not wasting any time here when you posted a view on intersex, which has no relevance here

You clearly are interested as you replied

Why not simple admit you posted that medical reality in error here

This person wanted to be recognised not on intersex, but being transgender as the gender they assign to

What makes me laugh atbout people like you horatio, is you have zero humility

I can be wrong at times and more than many admit to this

Yet you make excuses for dumb points you made on a subject you know very little about.

So explain why you posted about intersex here and what relevance it had?

If you can prove any relevance to the transgender in this article, then I will happilly apologise

HoratioTarr wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Yes, and it's a good discussion. I asked the question and you're addressing it. I don't know why bossy boots is getting het up.

I'm not sure why he thinks every post on here is focused on him, or directed at him, or answering his demands.  As usual, he's hell bent on destroying yet another thread with his rantings.

So we have another poster acting like a snowflake when challenged over their blatant idiocy

If you do not lke critcism, over your views, then its not me being the problem but yourself. I mean look how you crawl up to rags for support.

For once in your life show that you are a strong woman and defend your own poor arguments on your own

Otherwise you prove to me how weak willed you are

To misdirect and blame me for ruining a thread that has not been ruined, shows a massive sign of defeat an recognition of the poor qualities of your points

Nobody ruined this thread. You simple got exposed for posting a really dumb point

HoratioTarr wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Yes, and it's a good discussion. I asked the question and you're addressing it. I don't know why bossy boots is getting het up.

I'm not sure why he thinks every post on here is focused on him, or directed at him, or answering his demands.  As usual, he's hell bent on destroying yet another thread with his rantings.

Yes he is. Just ignore his abuse and demands.

Raggamuffin wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

I'm not sure why he thinks every post on here is focused on him, or directed at him, or answering his demands.  As usual, he's hell bent on destroying yet another thread with his rantings.

Yes he is. Just ignore his abuse and demands.

Teaching methods by rags

"Ignore difficult points that leave you unable to answer and paint the person as the abuser doing so"

You would do well in todays Universities Rags. In shouting people down that challnge your ideas and views



You have all the hallmarks of an extreme lefty

So contrary to what Horatio thinkls and makes excuses. This is a debate forum whee people will be challenged. Why else be here?

The pathetic excuses that ypurself and Rags come out with shows you do not like to be challenged on your views

Hence you are the problem not me.

I am simple challenging a poor view you made. Instead of rising to the challenge and actually reasoning your view, you decided, to tag Rags, and get bitchy.

The forum stands open Horatio, for you to prove me wrong here

As again what has interrsex got to do with this case?

Raggamuffin wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

Because we're not our bodies.  At least not 100 percent.   Our minds, emotions, spirits?   Unique to each of us.  Why does a man want to dress in women's clothes but he's not homosexual, or trans?  Why do some people love Marmite?   Why have people existed like Mozart who began composing his first symphony at five?   I don't think there's a clinical trial or test that can pin that down.

Yes, but it's not normal for a man to want to be a woman. What I mean is that the X chromosome is what makes a woman "feel" like a woman, so an extra X might make a man "feel" like a woman also. The Y chromosome is normally dominant, but two Xs might make a difference to how someone feels.

It's difficult know how they feel anyway because I don't really know if I feel like a woman or not - because I don't know what it feels like to be male.

What is normal? It's more a case of what is more prevalent. I'm sure trans people don't feel 'abnormal' just different. They certainly shouldn't be treated as abnormal.

As I've already said, and what Thor the Thicko seems to conveniently ignore, this isn't about the body but about the mind/emotions. It's how a person feels rather than what the body is or isn't.

There was a time when homosexuals were more or less tortured in a bid to 'cure' them of their 'disease'. It was feared like some awful contagious disease.

According to Ray Blanchard, a professor of psychiatry at the University of Toronto, the reason for homosexuality could be that the mother’s body mounts an immune attack on the fetus of her unborn son. As the report authors explain:

Male fetuses carry male-specific proteins on their Y chromosome, called H-Y antigens. Blanchard hypothesized that some of these antigens promote the development of heterosexual orientation in males ... Because these H-Y antigens are not present in the mother’s body, they trigger the production of maternal antibodies. These antibodies bind to the H-Y antigens and prevent them from functioning.

With the H-Y antigens not functioning, it could be that the “be straight” signal in the fetus’s brain never flicks on.

It's known that the male human embryo forms testes very early during pregnancy and that these promptly start to secrete testosterone. This means that the male brain is exposed to testosterone during a critical time during its development.

Testosterone, it appears, has a major role on the development of sexuality. In the 1980s, when Germany was still divided into a Western segment and an Eastern one under the domination of the then Soviet Union, a group of East scientists proposed that human homosexuality was the result of insufficient exposure to testosterone in the womb. Since the moral atmosphere of the time in that country regarded homosexuality with abhorrence, they proposed that all pregnant females should have the fluid surrounding their male foetuses tested for testosterone. Those with low values (they did not specify what these were) should be aborted, thus eliminating gay men from East German society. An excellent example of the misuse of science, though it was never adopted.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/hormones-and-the-brain/201706/how-the-brain-determines-sexuality

Raggamuffin wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

I'm not sure why he thinks every post on here is focused on him, or directed at him, or answering his demands.  As usual, he's hell bent on destroying yet another thread with his rantings.

Yes he is. Just ignore his abuse and demands.

I rarely read his posts...just people's responses to them for the laugh it gives me.

So she calls me a thicko and uses intersex, which is a biological fact and reality and then argues off a mind set off transgenderism, which I agree with is a reality. Completely different to intersex

When someone calls me a thicko, knowing they have only recently looked into this stupidly place up an argument that some transgenders use. Around intersex. You know that person is being very disingenuous

I have never disputed homosexulity ( I actually defend their rights) and if Horatio had seen the debate myself and Eilzel had. We talk about preferences. How that sexual and phsycial attraction is not something we can control. None of us can control who or what we are attratced to. We can only control how we act on this attraction.

Hence arguing off intersex people, when transgenders are not intersex, is about as fuckwitted as someone can get.

It shows this individual has allowed someone to convince them on a really dumb view point that has nothing to do with chromosomes, but clearly neurology

So she can call me thick and avoid me making her look as clear as Donald Trump

Both can be very convincing, but at the end of the day its very easy to pull apart what they are saying. As its generally nonsense