Ukip 'Will Attract Most BNP Voters And Should Let Them Join', Say Party Members

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Ukip is on track to pick up most of the votes from the British National Party in upcoming elections as Nick Griffin's party is set for a disastrous performance at the ballot box, according to Ukip grassroots members.

The prediction came amid discussions on Ukip's members-only forum in the wake of BNP leader Nick Griffin's bankruptcy. Brian Otridge, campaign manager for Ukip's North West Hampshire Branch, wrote:

"He never was very bright was he? BNP got 564,321 votes in GE2010 [General Election] and 943,598 in EE2009 [European Elections]. We should be picking up 50-75% of those now."

The influx of BNP support is likely to cause problems given that Ukip explicitly bans BNP members from joining their party. Ukip also describes itself as a "libertarian, non-racist party”.

Simon Cressy, from the HOPE Not Hate campaign, told the Huffington Post UK: "There's an unspoken link between Ukip and the BNP, as it's widely accepted and they know it's the case that if people don't vote for the BNP, they'll vote for Ukip.

Meanwhile, one North Wales UKIP member, Cameron Needham, told the forum that the ban on accepting BNP members into the party should remain although he accepted that "it's a bit harsh on people if their political ideologies to [sic] genuinely change".

Ukip has kept a distance from the English Defence League, although major EDL figures like former leader Tommy Robinson have voiced their support for the party.

Writing last August, a Ukip member from North Nottinghamshire who dubs himself "NukeZilla" suggests that Ukip should reverse its ban on EDL members, praising them as "brave enough to stand up and speak out against criminals and a 2 tier system.

Marty Caine, a Ukip activist based in Poole and Mid Dorset, responds in agreement, lavishing praise on the EDL for "protesting about something that I believe they are right to protest about".

"We could certainly put those extra membership fees to some good use in the Party," he adds.

A Ukip spokesman told the Huffington Post UK: "Ukip is the only political party to have restrictions in place to prevent former members of parties or groups such as the BNP and EDL from joining. This is because we hold dearly the values of freedom, equality and liberty that organisations such as these contradict.

"Whether or not a few certain individuals on a UKIP forum voice different opinions does not change the party’s firm stance on this issue and we would advise UKIP members who feel they may not fully comprehend why UKIP proudly adheres to this position to reconsider their reasons."

“Regarding the assertion that former BNP members may move to UKIP, we are entirely unwilling to renege on our promise to current members to uphold the party’s core values and ideals of which this rule forms a central tenet. However the collapse of the BNP is surely a good thing in the detoxification of British politics.”

See here for what the Ukip members said:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/07/ukip-edl-bnp_n_4549306.html

    

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/25/some-ukip-candidates-possible-bnp-members

...Shock Horror!

Well yeah, you certainly would have thought so.

So much for UKIP not being racists according to some on here , taking voters from the BNP, pfftt.

Scumbag punks.

Joy Division wrote:So much for UKIP not being racists according to some on here , taking voters from the BNP, pfftt.

Scumbag punks.

....And their present members want to welcome these racists and homophobes with open arms!

     (all the same RW scumbags)

I have not said UKIP does not have racist members - I have said UKIP is not made up of former BNP/EDL members.

We have racists as does the Labour party who is more than happy for former BNP members to not only join them but represent them as candidates.

Now tell me what sort of person will vote a former BNP member into office? That is the type of person that votes for Labour.

Catman wrote:

Joy Division wrote:So much for UKIP not being racists according to some on here , taking voters from the BNP, pfftt.

Scumbag punks.

....And their present members want to welcome these racists and homophobes with open arms!

     (all the same RW scumbags)

Presumably that does not include the Labour councillor homophobe who called a collegue a shirt lifter on facebook as detailed on the thread about racist Labour councillors which you are ignoring in the hope everyone else will and it will not be revealed you whole heartedly support a party that has such homophobes in it.

A top Labour councillor in Rochdale is being investigated over claims that he shouted homophobic abuse at a fellow councillor.

Farooq Ahmed, who heads finance at Rochdale council, was questioned by police officers over the incident which took place on Thursday afternoon.

Witnesses said they saw Mr Ahmed in a heated row with Labour councillor Neil Emmott on Cheetham Street in Rochdale.

During the argument, the councillor was said to have screamed homophobic insults at Mr Emmott.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/01/28/labour-councillor-investigated-over-accusations-of-homophobic-abuse-towards-fellow-politician/

A Labour Party member bombarded a gay colleague with malicious text messages after losing out to him in a party election.


David Bradley sent rival Ed Bramall homophobic messages after members had selected Mr Bramall to fight a seat at this year’s local elections.


Bradley, who contested the Weston-super-Mare seat for Labour at this year’s General Election, sent 33 texts using references to homosexuals.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1339471/Labour-candidate-David-Bradley-bombarded-gay-colleague-Ed-Bramall-homophobic-texts-losing-election.html#ixzz2thD24Lqi

Councillor Jim Fitzpatrick who represents the Hyde Godley ward for the Labour Party posted the above comment to Twitter earlier today. His long term partner, Janet Jackson (no, not that one) is standing for the seat of Stalybridge North which is currently held by the Conservative Councillor, Clive Patrick.

http://tamesidelabour.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/homophobic-tweet-from-labour-councillor.html

That's just "homophobic labour councillor" - I wonder what else I could get from labour MP, racist Labour...

sphinx wrote:

Catman wrote:

....And their present members want to welcome these racists and homophobes with open arms!

     (all the same RW scumbags)

Presumably that does not include the Labour councillor homophobe who called a collegue a shirt lifter on facebook as detailed on the thread about racist Labour councillors which you are ignoring in the hope everyone else will and it will not be revealed you whole heartedly support a party that has such homophobes in it.

You are ignoring all of the evidence posted that UKIP is a disgusting racist and homophobic party, riddled with racists and homophobes, it even has a policy of being anti gay marriage.

I never said that there weren't racists and homophobes in the Labour party, they are just not riddled with them.  

i don't think all bnp members are nazi's, if they believe in looking after this country its good for ukip

Catman wrote:

sphinx wrote:

Presumably that does not include the Labour councillor homophobe who called a collegue a shirt lifter on facebook as detailed on the thread about racist Labour councillors which you are ignoring in the hope everyone else will and it will not be revealed you whole heartedly support a party that has such homophobes in it.

You are ignoring all of the evidence posted that UKIP is a disgusting racist and homophobic party, riddled with racists and homophobes, it even has a policy of being anti gay marriage.

I never said that there weren't racists and homophobes in the Labour party, they are just not riddled with them.  

You have not provided any evidence that UKIP is racist and homophobic just that it includes racist and homophobic individuals.

I would say that as known racists are refused membership by UKIP while Labour is happy to accept them and make them candidates Labour is the more racist party anyway. At least UKIP try to keep them out what does Labour do? Gets them elected into office.

sphinx wrote:

Catman wrote:

You are ignoring all of the evidence posted that UKIP is a disgusting racist and homophobic party, riddled with racists and homophobes, it even has a policy of being anti gay marriage.

I never said that there weren't racists and homophobes in the Labour party, they are just not riddled with them.  

You have not provided any evidence that UKIP is racist and homophobic just that it includes racist and homophobic individuals.  

I would say that as known racists are refused membership by UKIP while Labour is happy to accept them and make them candidates Labour is the more racist party anyway.  At least UKIP try to keep them out what does Labour do?  Gets them elected into office.

Get Real!

If you took all of the racists and the homophobes out of UKIP, you wouldn't have a party left!   

For a small party in comparison to the other main parties, why is it so riddled with racists and homophobes, the evidence has been posted time and time again, which you have chosen to ignore!

We must continue to reject and refuse UKIP and BNP for a better , less racist Britain.

Joy Division wrote:We must continue to reject and refuse UKIP and BNP for a better , less racist Britain.

Look at their supporters ramblings on forums as well JD!

Who ever says that they aren't a racist and homophobic party, they must have had a full frontal lobotomy imo!  

I think with the coalitions dire performance, Labour should be trouncing them and they are not.
What UKIP are saying on lots of issues is what you hear people in the street and supermarket etc etc saying. They will pick up a lot of votes.

As for racism and homophobia it is in all parties just as it is in sections of society. Trying to equate UKIP to the BNP makes it look like Lib Lab con are very worried.

Catman wrote:

Joy Division wrote:We must continue to reject and refuse UKIP and BNP for a better , less racist Britain.

Look at their supporters ramblings on forums as well JD!

Who ever says that they aren't a racist and homophobic party, they must have had a full frontal lobotomy imo!  

...you know Phil, it's like a screaming, embarrassing bunch of bairns , crying like mad about how hard they are apparently done by.  

NemsAgain wrote:I think with the coalitions dire performance, Labour should be trouncing them and they are not.
What UKIP are saying on lots of issues is what you hear people in the street and supermarket etc etc saying. They will pick up a lot of votes.

As for racism and homophobia it is in all parties just as it is in sections of society. Trying to equate UKIP to the BNP makes it look like Lib Lab con are very worried.

That why I'm worried for the future Nems...the amount of votes UKIP are gaining, but with so much disenchantment amongst many Tory supporters, any Larry who showed a very tough stance on immigration was always likely to curry favour with some of the electorate.

If that's a sign of things to come, then I want independence   

Joy Division wrote:

Catman wrote:

Look at their supporters ramblings on forums as well JD!

Who ever says that they aren't a racist and homophobic party, they must have had a full frontal lobotomy imo!  

...you know Phil, it's like a screaming, embarrassing bunch of bairns , crying like mad about how hard they are apparently done by.  

Awww...Don't be mean and call us racists or Nazis! We don't like being called what we are, cos it might lose us votes!   

Joy Division wrote:

NemsAgain wrote:I think with the coalitions dire performance, Labour should be trouncing them and they are not.
What UKIP are saying on lots of issues is what you hear people in the street and supermarket etc etc saying. They will pick up a lot of votes.

As for racism and homophobia it is in all parties just as it is in sections of society. Trying to equate UKIP to the BNP makes it look like Lib Lab con are very worried.

That why I'm worried for the future Nems...the amount of votes UKIP are gaining, but with so much disenchantment amongst many Tory supporters, any Larry who showed a very tough stance on immigration was always likely to curry favour with some of the electorate.

If that's a sign of things to come, then I want independence   

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

     (And still no sign of UKIP)

Catman wrote:

Joy Division wrote:

That why I'm worried for the future Nems...the amount of votes UKIP are gaining, but with so much disenchantment amongst many Tory supporters, any Larry who showed a very tough stance on immigration was always likely to curry favour with some of the electorate.

If that's a sign of things to come, then I want independence   

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

     (And still no sign of UKIP)

Aye,they may be licking the floor, but they have gathered more than a few ex tories !!

Still,im sure as Scrat says...most Brits are too savvy to get caught up with that lot.

Catman wrote:

sphinx wrote:

You have not provided any evidence that UKIP is racist and homophobic just that it includes racist and homophobic individuals.  

I would say that as known racists are refused membership by UKIP while Labour is happy to accept them and make them candidates Labour is the more racist party anyway.  At least UKIP try to keep them out what does Labour do?  Gets them elected into office.

Get Real!

If you took all of the racists and the homophobes out of UKIP, you wouldn't have a party left!   

For a small party in comparison to the other main parties, why is it so riddled with racists and homophobes, the evidence has been posted time and time again, which you have chosen to ignore!

Again you provide no evidence of infestation just the occasional example of an individual.

I on the other hand have provided evidence that shows Labour welcomes BNP members with open arms and provides them with the support to see them elected to public office.

So you have a party which bans former members of fascist parties and expels any that sneak in by lying against a party that welcome former members of fascist parties and puts them up for election and whose supporters then elect these disgraces.

Which party is racist did you say?

Joy Division wrote:We must continue to reject and refuse UKIP and BNP for a better , less racist Britain.

You might want to tell that to Labour head office - then maybe they would stop selecting BNP as candidates. You should also tell Labour supporters as then maybe they will stop electing BNP into office.

Joy Division wrote:

NemsAgain wrote:I think with the coalitions dire performance, Labour should be trouncing them and they are not.
What UKIP are saying on lots of issues is what you hear people in the street and supermarket etc etc saying. They will pick up a lot of votes.

As for racism and homophobia it is in all parties just as it is in sections of society. Trying to equate UKIP to the BNP makes it look like Lib Lab con are very worried.

That why I'm worried for the future Nems...the amount of votes UKIP are gaining, but with so much disenchantment amongst many Tory supporters, any Larry who showed a very tough stance on immigration was always likely to curry favour with some of the electorate.

If that's a sign of things to come, then I want independence   

Scotland didnt have the mass immigration like England did it?

NemsAgain wrote:

Joy Division wrote:

That why I'm worried for the future Nems...the amount of votes UKIP are gaining, but with so much disenchantment amongst many Tory supporters, any Larry who showed a very tough stance on immigration was always likely to curry favour with some of the electorate.

If that's a sign of things to come, then I want independence   

Scotland didnt have the mass immigration like England did it?

Scotland's population is not that big Nems, but still has had plenty of immigration for its size

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/number-of-immigrants-living-in-scotland-doubles-in-a-decade.22850239

NemsAgain wrote:

Joy Division wrote:

That why I'm worried for the future Nems...the amount of votes UKIP are gaining, but with so much disenchantment amongst many Tory supporters, any Larry who showed a very tough stance on immigration was always likely to curry favour with some of the electorate.

If that's a sign of things to come, then I want independence   

Scotland didnt have the mass immigration like England did it?

Oh no, not in comparison to England, but then as Didge says, for our size we do...

Remember Scotland is a fair bit smaller that England in size, not just population.

Joy Division wrote:

Catman wrote:

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

     (And still no sign of UKIP)

Aye,they may be licking the floor, but they have gathered more than a few ex tories !!

Still,im sure as Scrat says...most Brits are too savvy to get caught up with that lot.

It's a bit like when Griffin got elected as an MEP, since then the far right have gone down hill, It's certain that Griffin will lose his Euro seat, and perhaps UKIP might do well at the Euro elections, but when it comes to general elections people vote differently as the polls aand elections, have been showing over a number of years now!