Frankincense may treat arthritis by attaching to the body's swollen areas and blocking inflammation, study says

Frankincense may become an important treatment for arthritis.

That's according to researchers from the University of Alabama, who believe the biblical resin - which is extracted from Africa's boswellia trees - can halt inflammation.

Data suggests it works by attaching or 'docking' onto proteins that cause pain and effectively blocking them.

The finding could help pharmaceutical companies develop new drugs to combat the condition, which affects more than 10 million people in the UK.

Professor Will Setzer, who led the study which was published in the journal Medicines, said: 'We have identified some important inflammation-related molecular targets in humans that boswellia compounds can block.

'It's not clear why the trees make these compounds - it's probably to protect themselves from insect or fungal attack. It obviously works because the trees are still there.

'The biggest problem is making modifications to these natural compounds to make them more effective and bio-available for humans.

'Boswellia is not water soluble so it's difficult to get it into the bloodstream.'

Cambridge Nutraceuticals, a biotech company, has now developed a new boswellia product called Cool Joints+ which they believe overcomes this problem by using a patented process that combines boswellia with soy lethicin.

Dr Miriam Ferrer, a molecular biologist from Cambridge Nutraceuticals, said: 'The lethicin enhances the active ingredients of boswellia in the stomach so it reaches optimal levels both in the plasma and the tissues.

'We have shown that this component allows the boswellia to get to where it needs to go to produce the anti-inflammatory effect, and at the right amounts, which is very exciting.

'More studies are ongoing, but we are very pleased with the results we have achieved so far.'

Other specialists are similarly positive about the prospects for new boswellia-based medications.

Ali Mobasheri, professor of musculo-skeletal physiology at Surrey University, said: 'Boswellia does block the release of proteins that worsen joint deterioration in osteoarthritis.

'Its different mechanism of action may be effective whether other conventional treatments such as paracetamol, seem not to work.'

Four years ago an analysis of 49 studies of herbal treatments for osteoarthritis involving almost 6,000 people, also concluded the ancient remedy of frankincense was one of the ones that worked.

The analysis by the respected Cochrane organisation, a global scientific network that reviews health research, said there was 'moderate-quality evidence for trends of [boswellia] benefits that warrant further investigation.'

It said the risk of side effects from boswellia was low.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-6405707/Frankincense-key-treatment-arthritis.html

Well, I've been using Frankincense for years, and it's well known to be beneficial for the lungs and those with asthma, and for me, it does work. Not only does the resin smell divine when burned on coals, it cleanses the house and enhances clear thinking. The best Frankincense comes from Oman...and the paler the resin, the higher the quality. There is lime, lemon and orange Frankincense but the best is Royal Frankincense. It has a lovely lemony fresh smell. I burn mine on olive wood charcoal.

Frankincense essential oil is a great skin conditioner, too. It has cellular regeneration properties and is often a key ingredient in skin creams.

Essential oil molecular structure is fine enough for it to pass through the skin into the bloodstream, so using it diluted in oil on the skin can get it into the body.

Where can you get it from ?

I wish these people would specify what kind of arthritis they're talking about. There are many causes of arthritis, and not all arthritis is associated with inflammation. They mention osteoarthritis, but there's not usually much inflammation involved in that.

nicko wrote:Where can you get it from ?

I buy mine on Ebay

HoratioTarr wrote:Well, I've been using Frankincense for years, and it's well known to be beneficial for the lungs and those with asthma, and for me, it does work.   Not only does the resin smell divine when burned on coals, it cleanses the house and enhances clear thinking.  The best Frankincense comes from Oman...and the paler the resin, the higher the quality.  There is lime, lemon and orange Frankincense but the best is Royal Frankincense.  It has a lovely lemony fresh smell.    I burn mine on olive wood charcoal.

Frankincense essential oil is a great skin conditioner, too.  It has cellular regeneration properties and is often a key ingredient in skin creams.

Essential oil molecular structure is fine enough for it to pass through the skin into the bloodstream, so using it diluted in oil on the skin can get it into the body.

Really? Well known?

I really do think you do not know what you are talking about when it comes to essential oils. Where, they can be very voilatile. Asthma is triggered often by viral infections. Of which essential oils, has organic compounds.

I would love to see the evidence for your claim it helps asthma, when it fact it could create asthma attacks.

Whilst I see the benefits of this study, I see no evidence that using essential oils with this product is providing you with any of the same benefits at all. You need to show what is actually in the product compared to the actual study here and I think its very irresponsible to make claims on conditions like asthma, which could trigger asthma attacks themselves

So I certainly do not object to promoting something that you see as a benefit to you, but I suggest you do not make unfounded claims based on lung contiditions. So until something is properly tested and shows it can be a benefit. Or at the very least seek medical advice before they use. As you could be placing asthma patients at risk, as they may have adverse effects to essential oils.

Agreed Thor, one should be VERY careful with this sort of thing vis asthma, the problem is what may work well for one person may well actually trigger an attack in another.

Of course one cannot just dismiss someones personal observed benefits, even if the actual medical evidence is scanty, untill a proper study either confirms/dismisses the evidence.

I think what is often the problem is that well meaning folks, having found benefit in something, feel they should share it with others (understandably) BUT lacking the understanding of how almost anything medical can affect other different folks, with side effects unwanted effects etc (hell this even applies to foods.....) tend to praise the product without including the fact that others should proceed with extreme caution AND under medical supervision........

Agreed Thor, one should be VERY careful with this sort of thing vis asthma, the problem is what may work well for one person may well actually trigger an attack in another.

Of course one cannot just dismiss someones personal observed benefits, even if the actual medical evidence is scanty, untill a proper study either confirms/dismisses the evidence.

I think what is often the problem is that well meaning folks, having found benefit in something, feel they should share it with others (understandably) BUT lacking the understanding of how almost anything medical can affect other different folks, with side effects unwanted effects etc (hell this even applies to foods.....)  tend to praise the product without including the fact that others should proceed with extreme caution AND under medical supervision........

Lord Foul wrote:Agreed Thor, one should be VERY careful with this sort of thing vis asthma, the problem is what may work well for one person may well actually trigger an attack in another.

Of course one cannot just dismiss someones personal observed benefits, even if the actual medical evidence is scanty, untill a proper study either confirms/dismisses the evidence.

I think what is often the problem is that well meaning folks, having found benefit in something, feel they should share it with others (understandably) BUT lacking the understanding of how almost anything medical can affect other different folks, with side effects unwanted effects etc (hell this even applies to foods.....)  tend to praise the product without including the fact that others should proceed with extreme caution AND under medical supervision........

+1

I wont bother then !

I wont bother then !

I wont bother then !

Since ancient times, frankincense has been used in many countries such as Africa, China, India, and the Middle East countries for the prevention and treatment of various illnesses, especially chronic inflammatory diseases.[2,8] In the Indian system of medicine, frankincense (salai guggal) has been used as an anti-inflammatory, anti-arthritic, anti-proliferative, and analgesic agent for the treatment of related diseases.[9] In Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM), frankincense of B. carterii is commonly used as a remedy for improving the blood circulation and in relieving pain in leprosy, gonorrhea, and cancer patients.[10]

In the last decade, the use of olibanum has become more popular in the European countries for the treatment of various chronic inflammatory problems such as arthritis, chronic bowel diseases, asthma, peritumoral brain edema, and other diseases.[11]

The mechanism of anti-inflammatory activity of the Boswellia extract is due to the boswellic acids, which have been identified as the active principle of frankincense. The chemical structure of boswellic acids closely resembles that of steroids,[9] but their actions are different from painkillers or nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) and are related to the component of the immune system and the inhibition of 5-lipoxygenase.[11]

INFLAMMATORY DISEASES
In general, inflammation is the response of the body tissues to irritation, injuries, infections, or disorders of the immune system (autoimmune diseases), which is characterized by pain, redness, swelling, and sometimes loss of function.[11]

Leukotrienes are small mediator chemicals produced by the cells of the body, and can cause inflammation by promoting free radical damages, autoimmune responses, cell adhesion, and migration of the cells causing inflammation to the inflamed area.[17]

Many inflammatory diseases can be caused by leukotrienes, including asthma, colitis, rheumatism, arthritis, and psoriasis.[17] Boswellia has shown to be a specific inhibitor of leukotrienes. It acts by blocking the synthesis of leukotrienes and, therefore, inhibiting inflammation and shrinking the inflamed tissue which is the primary cause of pain and discomfort in many cases.[17]

Frankincense (乳香 Rǔ Xiāng; Boswellia Species) has shown to be effective in treating various inflammatory diseases, and based on data obtained from the experiments done in vitro and in vivo, boswellic acids are assumed to be the pharmacologically active principles of frankincense which are responsible for the anti-inflammatory and anti-tumorigenic actions.[18] In a study, it was reported that due to the anti-inflammatory effects of the extracts and powder of frankincense, plaque-induced gingivitis showed improvement of inflammation of periodontium after using the extract and powder of the frankincense.[19]

ASTHMA
Frankincense (乳香 Rǔ Xiāng; Boswellia Species) traditionally has been valued for its effect on the respiratory system, and has been used in steam inhalations, baths, and massages to treat cough, catarrh, bronchitis, and asthma.[9] Boswellic acids found in frankincense have shown to be responsible for the inhibition of leukotriene biosynthesis and, therefore, can reduce and prevent the inflammation in many chronic inflammatory diseases like asthma.[21] In a study, several patients with chronic bronchial asthma were treated with the B. serrata preparation of 300 mg thrice daily for a 6-week period. The improvement of the disease was obvious in 70% of the patients by disappearance of physical symptoms and signs such as dyspnea (difficulty in breathing), rhonchi (hissing lung sound), and the number of attacks. The data show a definite role of gum resin of B. serrata in the treatment of bronchial asthma.[21]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3924999/https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3924999/

Lord Foul wrote:Agreed Thor, one should be VERY careful with this sort of thing vis asthma, the problem is what may work well for one person may well actually trigger an attack in another.

Of course one cannot just dismiss someones personal observed benefits, even if the actual medical evidence is scanty, untill a proper study either confirms/dismisses the evidence.

I think what is often the problem is that well meaning folks, having found benefit in something, feel they should share it with others (understandably) BUT lacking the understanding of how almost anything medical can affect other different folks, with side effects unwanted effects etc (hell this even applies to foods.....)  tend to praise the product without including the fact that others should proceed with extreme caution AND under medical supervision........

Essential oils, as I previously stated, are used dilute.   There are a few you can get away with putting directly on the skin but mostly they're too strong.   Some, like the citrus ones, are photosensitive and extremely potent.    Some are downright dangerous if used incorrectly. Frankincense isn't one of them.

HoratioTarr wrote:Since ancient times, frankincense has been used in many countries such as Africa, China, India, and the Middle East countries for the prevention and treatment of various illnesses, especially chronic inflammatory diseases.[2,8] In the Indian system of medicine, frankincense (salai guggal) has been used as an anti-inflammatory, anti-arthritic, anti-proliferative, and analgesic agent for the treatment of related diseases.[9] In Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM), frankincense of B. carterii is commonly used as a remedy for improving the blood circulation and in relieving pain in leprosy, gonorrhea, and cancer patients.[10]

In the last decade, the use of olibanum has become more popular in the European countries for the treatment of various chronic inflammatory problems such as arthritis, chronic bowel diseases, asthma, peritumoral brain edema, and other diseases.[11]

The mechanism of anti-inflammatory activity of the Boswellia extract is due to the boswellic acids, which have been identified as the active principle of frankincense. The chemical structure of boswellic acids closely resembles that of steroids,[9] but their actions are different from painkillers or nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) and are related to the component of the immune system and the inhibition of 5-lipoxygenase.[11]

INFLAMMATORY DISEASES
In general, inflammation is the response of the body tissues to irritation, injuries, infections, or disorders of the immune system (autoimmune diseases), which is characterized by pain, redness, swelling, and sometimes loss of function.[11]

Leukotrienes are small mediator chemicals produced by the cells of the body, and can cause inflammation by promoting free radical damages, autoimmune responses, cell adhesion, and migration of the cells causing inflammation to the inflamed area.[17]

Many inflammatory diseases can be caused by leukotrienes, including asthma, colitis, rheumatism, arthritis, and psoriasis.[17] Boswellia has shown to be a specific inhibitor of leukotrienes. It acts by blocking the synthesis of leukotrienes and, therefore, inhibiting inflammation and shrinking the inflamed tissue which is the primary cause of pain and discomfort in many cases.[17]

Frankincense (乳香 Rǔ Xiāng; Boswellia Species) has shown to be effective in treating various inflammatory diseases, and based on data obtained from the experiments done in vitro and in vivo, boswellic acids are assumed to be the pharmacologically active principles of frankincense which are responsible for the anti-inflammatory and anti-tumorigenic actions.[18] In a study, it was reported that due to the anti-inflammatory effects of the extracts and powder of frankincense, plaque-induced gingivitis showed improvement of inflammation of periodontium after using the extract and powder of the frankincense.[19]

ASTHMA
Frankincense (乳香 Rǔ Xiāng; Boswellia Species) traditionally has been valued for its effect on the respiratory system, and has been used in steam inhalations, baths, and massages to treat cough, catarrh, bronchitis, and asthma.[9] Boswellic acids found in frankincense have shown to be responsible for the inhibition of leukotriene biosynthesis and, therefore, can reduce and prevent the inflammation in many chronic inflammatory diseases like asthma.[21] In a study, several patients with chronic bronchial asthma were treated with the B. serrata preparation of 300 mg thrice daily for a 6-week period. The improvement of the disease was obvious in 70% of the patients by disappearance of physical symptoms and signs such as dyspnea (difficulty in breathing), rhonchi (hissing lung sound), and the number of attacks. The data show a definite role of gum resin of B. serrata in the treatment of bronchial asthma.[21]

Your link does not link to anything

Again this is why I dispair at people who peddle false information, of which however I do have the medical information

Risks and precautions
People have used essential oils for many years to treat a range of conditions. Many people consider them to be natural, but it is important to remember that they are chemicals.

Lack of research and approval
The Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America (AAFA) say that there is no evidence to prove that essential oils can help people with asthma.

In fact, some may be dangerous and trigger symptoms in the same way that air fresheners and other chemicals do.

The AAFA do not recommend using essential oils to treat asthma.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) do not regulate the use of essential oils for any conditions, including asthma, but they have issued warnings about some products.

Since the FDA do not approve their use, there are no regulations to control what an essential oil contains. As a result, users cannot be sure that the ingredients are pure.

Allergic reactions
People should use a small amount of the oil first to check that they are not allergic to it and that it does not trigger asthma symptoms.

In 2011, researchers published an allergy case study in which a person developed asthma symptoms after exposure to peppermint.

Anyone who is applying an essential oil to the skin should dilute it first with a carrier oil, such as olive or almond oil, because concentrated essential oils can cause a skin rash.

It is also advisable to apply one or two drops to a small area of skin first. Leave it for 24 hours to test for a reaction before applying the oil to a larger area of skin.

Complementary treatment and medical care
Essential oils cannot replace appropriate medical care.

Asthma can be life-threatening, and people with this condition should take any medications that their doctor prescribes and attend appointments as they recommend.

Essentials oils may be a helpful treatment, but people should always consult a doctor before using them and be aware that oils may not be suitable for children.

It is particularly crucial to check with a doctor before using oils during pregnancy.

medicalnewstoday.com/articles/314245.php

There is no concensus they help asthma, nor that they are safe and only one trial of a mere 27 people has been done for Frankinsense

That is not the bases in any form to claim it is safe to use

As again it shows you do not understand what triggers asthma

Again this can be triggered by many organic products and to claim its safe is beyond irresponsible

Its down right ignorant

Cancer surgeon and researcher Nancy DeMore is leading a clinical trial using frankincense to try to treat breast and colon cancer at the Medical University of South Carolina. The study was inspired by a research specialist in DeMore's lab.

Ingrid Bonilla had researched frankincense as a treatment on breast cancer cells as an undergraduate student at Charleston Southern University. "Seeing encouraging results in our lab, I did my research on clinical studies with frankincense. I contacted the author of the only published breast cancer clinical case study to find out more."

DeMore, who has done extensive research on new treatments for breast cancer, was willing to put it to the test. "It's nice to see doctors like her who think outside the box," Bonilla says. "Out of all the physicians that I talked to about this, Dr. DeMore was the only one who was interested in moving this forward."

DeMore says boswellic acid, the extract from Indian frankincense, may help patients by reducing inflammation. The chemical structure of boswellic acid is similar to other anti-inflammatory drugs such as ibuprofen. Bonilla and DeMore wrote the current clinical trial with data from clinical trials of the extract in Europe.

DeMore says their study is "window of opportunity" trial that takes advantage of the window of time between the initial diagnosis of breast or colon cancer and surgery to remove the cancer. The patient will take boswellia while waiting for surgery.

"Tumor from the biopsy that was taken to make the diagnosis of cancer before treatment will be is compared to the tumor taken at surgery after treatment," DeMore said. "This will allow us to assess whether taking boswellia changes the biology of the tumor."

Frankincense would not be the only plant-based treatment for illness. For example, digoxin, from the foxglove plant, is used to treat cardiac arrhythmias. DeMore says it's important to put potential treatments through rigorous testing. "A lot of herbs and alternative therapies haven't been studied scientifically, so it's really important to know, in a well-designed clinical trial, these natural products work."

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DeMore started her research into natural products with curcumin in the 1990s. Extracted from turmeric, curcumin inhibits blood vessel growth in tumors. Slowing the growth of new blood vessels in tumors is a common approach to treating many cancers.

DeMore then set out to test medicinal uses of other natural products. "What we are really committed to doing is to study natural products in a well-designed clinical trial to prove whether or not there is a benefit. We don't know if it's going to work."

The MUSC Hollings Cancer Center is funding the trial.

While the preclinical evidence for boswellic acid seems promising, it's important not to replace standard treatment with natural therapies that haven't been studied well, Demore says. "The traditional treatments that we advise for patients have been through extensive, rigorous clinical trials where the benefits of treatment are well-known, as are the side effects."

She says therapies that aren't based on clinical trial results could have unexpected side effects, or even harmful effects. She also says people should be aware that over-the-counter frankincense may not contain the dosage or quality of the extract being tested in this study.

Bonilla is just grateful that DeMore took her idea seriously. "Sometimes I'm, like, 'Wow! I never pictured myself five years ago sitting here and being involved in anything like this.' I consider myself very blessed," she says.

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20171011/Clinical-trial-tests-frankincense-as-potential-breast-colon-cancer-treatment.aspx

What has that got to do with asthma?

HoratioTarr wrote:Since ancient times, frankincense has been used in many countries such as Africa, China, India, and the Middle East countries for the prevention and treatment of various illnesses, especially chronic inflammatory diseases.[2,8] In the Indian system of medicine, frankincense (salai guggal) has been used as an anti-inflammatory, anti-arthritic, anti-proliferative, and analgesic agent for the treatment of related diseases.[9] In Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM), frankincense of B. carterii is commonly used as a remedy for improving the blood circulation and in relieving pain in leprosy, gonorrhea, and cancer patients.[10]

In the last decade, the use of olibanum has become more popular in the European countries for the treatment of various chronic inflammatory problems such as arthritis, chronic bowel diseases, asthma, peritumoral brain edema, and other diseases.[11]

The mechanism of anti-inflammatory activity of the Boswellia extract is due to the boswellic acids, which have been identified as the active principle of frankincense. The chemical structure of boswellic acids closely resembles that of steroids,[9] but their actions are different from painkillers or nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) and are related to the component of the immune system and the inhibition of 5-lipoxygenase.[11]

INFLAMMATORY DISEASES
In general, inflammation is the response of the body tissues to irritation, injuries, infections, or disorders of the immune system (autoimmune diseases), which is characterized by pain, redness, swelling, and sometimes loss of function.[11]

Leukotrienes are small mediator chemicals produced by the cells of the body, and can cause inflammation by promoting free radical damages, autoimmune responses, cell adhesion, and migration of the cells causing inflammation to the inflamed area.[17]

Many inflammatory diseases can be caused by leukotrienes, including asthma, colitis, rheumatism, arthritis, and psoriasis.[17] Boswellia has shown to be a specific inhibitor of leukotrienes. It acts by blocking the synthesis of leukotrienes and, therefore, inhibiting inflammation and shrinking the inflamed tissue which is the primary cause of pain and discomfort in many cases.[17]

Frankincense (乳香 Rǔ Xiāng; Boswellia Species) has shown to be effective in treating various inflammatory diseases, and based on data obtained from the experiments done in vitro and in vivo, boswellic acids are assumed to be the pharmacologically active principles of frankincense which are responsible for the anti-inflammatory and anti-tumorigenic actions.[18] In a study, it was reported that due to the anti-inflammatory effects of the extracts and powder of frankincense, plaque-induced gingivitis showed improvement of inflammation of periodontium after using the extract and powder of the frankincense.[19]

ASTHMA
Frankincense (乳香 Rǔ Xiāng; Boswellia Species) traditionally has been valued for its effect on the respiratory system, and has been used in steam inhalations, baths, and massages to treat cough, catarrh, bronchitis, and asthma.[9] Boswellic acids found in frankincense have shown to be responsible for the inhibition of leukotriene biosynthesis and, therefore, can reduce and prevent the inflammation in many chronic inflammatory diseases like asthma.[21] In a study, several patients with chronic bronchial asthma were treated with the B. serrata preparation of 300 mg thrice daily for a 6-week period. The improvement of the disease was obvious in 70% of the patients by disappearance of physical symptoms and signs such as dyspnea (difficulty in breathing), rhonchi (hissing lung sound), and the number of attacks. The data show a definite role of gum resin of B. serrata in the treatment of bronchial asthma.[21]

Your link does not link to anything

Again this is why I dispair at people who peddle false information, of which however I do have the medical information

Risks and precautions
People have used essential oils for many years to treat a range of conditions. Many people consider them to be natural, but it is important to remember that they are chemicals.

Lack of research and approval
The Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America (AAFA) say that there is no evidence to prove that essential oils can help people with asthma.

In fact, some may be dangerous and trigger symptoms in the same way that air fresheners and other chemicals do.

The AAFA do not recommend using essential oils to treat asthma.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) do not regulate the use of essential oils for any conditions, including asthma, but they have issued warnings about some products.

Since the FDA do not approve their use, there are no regulations to control what an essential oil contains. As a result, users cannot be sure that the ingredients are pure.

Allergic reactions
People should use a small amount of the oil first to check that they are not allergic to it and that it does not trigger asthma symptoms.

In 2011, researchers published an allergy case study in which a person developed asthma symptoms after exposure to peppermint.

Anyone who is applying an essential oil to the skin should dilute it first with a carrier oil, such as olive or almond oil, because concentrated essential oils can cause a skin rash.

It is also advisable to apply one or two drops to a small area of skin first. Leave it for 24 hours to test for a reaction before applying the oil to a larger area of skin.

Complementary treatment and medical care
Essential oils cannot replace appropriate medical care.

Asthma can be life-threatening, and people with this condition should take any medications that their doctor prescribes and attend appointments as they recommend.

Essentials oils may be a helpful treatment, but people should always consult a doctor before using them and be aware that oils may not be suitable for children.

It is particularly crucial to check with a doctor before using oils during pregnancy.

medicalnewstoday.com/articles/314245.php

There is no concensus they help asthma, nor that they are safe and only one trial of a mere 27 people has been done for Frankinsense

That is not the bases in any form to claim it is safe to use

As again it shows you do not understand what triggers asthma

Again this can be triggered by many organic products and to claim its safe is beyond irresponsible

Its down right ignorant

What appears when you go to Horatio's link

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Nothing that has potential like this should be dismissed. I seem to recall some years ago on here people were scoffing at posts regarding the immune system being THE factor in healing the body and perhaps one day being a cure for cancer. Now, we have just that going on in research and medicine.

HoratioTarr wrote:Nothing that has potential like this should be dismissed.   I seem to recall some years ago on here people were scoffing at posts regarding the immune system being THE factor in healing the body and perhaps one day being  a cure for cancer.   Now, we have just that  going on in research and medicine.

Where did I say to dismiss it, but that it should be properly tested or that people seek proper medically trained people for use.

read again what I first posted to you

What you did was promote a falsehood, claiming its safe, which is so utterly naive and stupid. As you have no idea if it is safe for all asthma uses.

Just because something has been a benefit to you, dont them promote this as safe, espcially as it could trigger attacks in asthmatics. Yet you still tried to claim its been proven not to effect asthmatics and there is no such evidence that this is the case. Hence trying to promote a falsehood, is utterly irrational and dangeroeus

I believe in everything should be looked into, but I think its really silly to advise people to use this based off how it works for you. You should tell people to suggest this to their own GP's, if they want to use, so they can get the best medical advice

HoratioTarr wrote:Nothing that has potential like this should be dismissed.   I seem to recall some years ago on here people were scoffing at posts regarding the immune system being THE factor in healing the body and perhaps one day being  a cure for cancer.   Now, we have just that  going on in research and medicine.

Quite. Say no more becauee time will tell.

eddie wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:Nothing that has potential like this should be dismissed.   I seem to recall some years ago on here people were scoffing at posts regarding the immune system being THE factor in healing the body and perhaps one day being  a cure for cancer.   Now, we have just that  going on in research and medicine.

Quite. Say no more becauee time will tell.

Yes time will tell, so then people should not claim whether something is safe for asthma, when they have no idea, correct?

I still don't get why this can help osteoarthritis, which is basically a wear and tear problem. Inflammatory arthritis like RA or gout - caused by an immune response to uric acid crystals in the joints - might respond to it. However, one should be careful in suppressing inflammation. Often, it's there for a reason, and you need to know what's causing it before you try to get rid of it.

You are right Raggs !