Teenager dies in fifth fatal stabbing in London in less than a week

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A 16-year-old boy has died in the fifth suspected fatal stabbing to the hit the capital in a week.

The young victim was found with suspected stab wounds in Tulse Hill, south London, after police were called to reports of a shooting in Greenleaf Close at 10.53pm.



The suspected murder would bring the number of homicides in London this year to 119, with this the fifth in six days


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/06/teenager-dies-fifth-fatal-stabbing-london-less-week/



Another Labour legacy...

I asked if you were Black because i'v noticed that you always "stick up" for them and refuse to believe they can do any wrong !It's not an insult you daft idiot, you always take things the wrong way !

nicko wrote:I asked if you were Black because i'v noticed that you always "stick up" for them and refuse to believe they can do any wrong !It's not an insult you daft idiot, you always take things the wrong way !

Nicko, right is right, now matter when, and no matter in what circumstance. You don't need special genes to understand justice. Just a good and independent mind. Think for yourself.

But you are avoiding the issue. Why is it important to you? Why do you ask?

Why do you ask you say, go back and read the post for fuck sake ! You can be so annoying some times !

nicko wrote:Why do you ask you say,   go back and read the post for fuck sake !  You can be so annoying some times !

I'm familiar with the lineage of the thread. I'm just pointing out that by making an insult of being black, you reveal that you are a racist.

Oh my god Quill, you are as thick as shit, NO INSULT WAS MENT. I told you why I asked, DID YOU NOT READ IT ?

How do you see that as an insult, its more of an enquiry as to perhaps having a vested interest.
The facts are a lot of non white young men are getting involved in gangs and getting murdered, pretending it isn't so is not going help the situation, its obviously a factor. Its not a racist issue, it would be if no one cared because they were black youngsters.

nicko wrote:Oh my god Quill,   you are as thick as shit,   NO INSULT WAS MENT. I told you why I asked, DID YOU NOT READ IT ?

You did not answer.  You gave the context, but not the reason. What was your purpose in asking?

Are you being deliberately obtuse ? Whatever, I give up, you win, bye !

Just remembered, your an x Lawyer , it's your job to confuse people, congrat's you did !

Original Quill wrote:

nicko wrote:I asked Quill if he was Black,   he never answered !

I thought you were not serious.  After all, what difference does it make?

Do you perceive it as an insult?  I don't.  That must be the case because you've heard me say a thousand times I'm 2nd-generation Scot, with a family castle no less.  Very few blacks in the Scottish Isles.  So by calling me black you can only reckon that it's an insult.

Well, it's not an insult to me.  The only thing it tells me is you think it's an insult!  And if you think it's an insult, you must be a racist.  So, why would I respond just to call your racism out?  We already know all about that.

Its not an insult you idiot!!!


But you obviously think it really is deep down...


Nicko has said many times that he has black family members who I'm sure he loves very much... And I also have family and friends of various ethnic backgrounds...

Tommy Monk wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

I thought you were not serious.  After all, what difference does it make?

Do you perceive it as an insult?  I don't.  That must be the case because you've heard me say a thousand times I'm 2nd-generation Scot, with a family castle no less.  Very few blacks in the Scottish Isles.  So by calling me black you can only reckon that it's an insult.

Well, it's not an insult to me.  The only thing it tells me is you think it's an insult!  And if you think it's an insult, you must be a racist.  So, why would I respond just to call your racism out?  We already know all about that.

Its not an insult you idiot!!!

But you obviously think it really is deep down...

Nicko has said many times that he has black family members who I'm sure he loves very much... And I also have family and friends of various ethnic backgrounds...

There's nothing else it could be. First, why would only a black be concerned about justice? Second, nicko already knows I'm not black.

So it's cast out as some sort of taunt. If he considers being black a taunt, it's ipso facto a racial disparagement.

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/london-violence-list-murder-victims-killed-in-the-capital-so-far-this-year/

Quill is in denial, god knows why !

nicko wrote:Quill is in denial,    god knows why !

I don't even think about it until I come back through. It's...why do you have such a thing about blackness??

Your a deluded idiot, talk to yourself in future, I'v had enough !

quill is the archetypal "lefty"

find a problem with something, have NO clue as to what to do about it
deny it exists
demonise those who DO recognise it
then also demonise those who dont recognise it

hey you have just won the self righteous sanctimonious prize.

I mean quill, rather than realise that there is a problem with black on black (or. especially for that precious antipodean plonker, person of colour upon person of colour) violence, There ARE those who would say so what ...as long as they are killing each other off thats not my problem...let em have at it.......

Is THAT what you want, just so you can sit there inhaling the stench of sanctimony, and spout yet again upon the callousness of "whitey"????

You seem inordinately fond of trying to tsalk yorself into a corner from whence all roads are racist....even if they are not.

Lord Foul wrote:quill is the archetypal  "lefty"

find a problem with something, have NO clue as to what to do about it
deny it exists
demonise those who DO recognise it
then also demonise those who dont recognise it

hey you have just won the self righteous sanctimonious prize.

I mean quill, rather than realise that there is a problem with black on black (or. especially for that precious antipodean plonker, person of colour upon person of colour) violence, There ARE those who would say so what ...as long as they are killing each other off thats not my problem...let em have at it.......

Is THAT what you want, just so you can sit there inhaling the stench of sanctimony, and spout yet again upon the callousness of "whitey"????

You seem inordinately fond of trying to tsalk yorself into a corner from whence all roads are racist....even if they are not.

1) Have you ever heard of a black person who objects to being called black?

2) "tsalk yorself"???

3) Why aren't black people doing this in other big cities? Bet it's something to do with gangs, actually.

4) "tsalk yorself"????????

Lord Foul wrote:quill is the archetypal  "lefty"

find a problem with something, have NO clue as to what to do about it
deny it exists
demonise those who DO recognise it
then also demonise those who dont recognise it

hey you have just won the self righteous sanctimonious prize.

I mean quill, rather than realise that there is a problem with black on black (or. especially for that precious antipodean plonker, person of colour upon person of colour) violence, There ARE those who would say so what ...as long as they are killing each other off thats not my problem...let em have at it.......

Is THAT what you want, just so you can sit there inhaling the stench of sanctimony, and spout yet again upon the callousness of "whitey"????

You seem inordinately fond of trying to tsalk yorself into a corner from whence all roads are racist....even if they are not.

Dude, you've changed the subject. When you come back around to my topic, I'll rejoin the thread. But I don't have to answer for shit that's not my property.

*THE Ben Reilly* wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:quill is the archetypal  "lefty"

find a problem with something, have NO clue as to what to do about it
deny it exists
demonise those who DO recognise it
then also demonise those who dont recognise it

hey you have just won the self righteous sanctimonious prize.

I mean quill, rather than realise that there is a problem with black on black (or. especially for that precious antipodean plonker, person of colour upon person of colour) violence, There ARE those who would say so what ...as long as they are killing each other off thats not my problem...let em have at it.......

Is THAT what you want, just so you can sit there inhaling the stench of sanctimony, and spout yet again upon the callousness of "whitey"????

You seem inordinately fond of trying to tsalk yorself into a corner from whence all roads are racist....even if they are not.

1) Have you ever heard of a black person who objects to being called black?

2) "tsalk yorself"???

3) Why aren't black people doing this in other big cities? Bet it's something to do with gangs, actually.

4) "tsalk yorself"????????

2 & 4...you have already lost the argument when you have to pick up on typos.....YOU try working 36hrs non stop as I just have (and I'm retired ) and its WORK...a mix of both heavy duty carpentry AND the installation and commissioning of sophisticated security and access control..which I also previously designed and built. trouble is I'm knackered...but I cant "switch off"
1).... I have , but then again I have heard of yorkshiremen who object to being called sheep shaggers...your point is
3) your only sane point, and yes doubtless it is gang (and therefor drug) related, however that merely makes the point more "pointy"   since clearly they are "black" (predominantly) gangs....

what do YOU suggest...we ignore that and spend time and money looking for the non existant (or at least very thin on the ground ) "white gangs" that are doing the same....

or is YOUR solution to ignore the problem and hope it will just go away.....

the problem needs attacking on 3 fronts

1) the policing ...yes stop and search the most likely customers...take them and their knives off the streets
2) education
3) deal with the social causes

2 and 3 take time to become effective but are necessary in the long term
1 could be quickly effective and is needed immediately to reduce the toll of deaths

further this does impact even on me, since our dumbass politicians pass laws restricting the carrying of knives on EVERYONE and whilst I have "good reason" to carry a variety of deadly implements (as when I'm hunting  or fishing ...especially sea fishing AND when I'm working with my carpentry ..I often have a heavy fixed blade knife in my tool kit for all maner of jobs that nothing else quite fits the bill for.... BUT it means that I have to account every time I go out with one to make sure its been removed from my van if I say go shopping with teh missus ...cos then the "good reason" doesnt apply and plod will do me for having said offensive weapon in a public place....even though its locked up in a safe in my vehicle.

and YES....I DO object to someone elses criminal propensities impacting on the ease with which I live my life, no matter how (in the grand scheme of things) trivial it may be....I object to my freedoms being in any way impeded, merely to save the lives of some folks who choose to live (and die) "beyond the pale" as it were....and whose existance is a matter of complete indifference to me (and thats NOT "cos they is black init", its cos they is crims bro")

*THE Ben Reilly* wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:quill is the archetypal  "lefty"

find a problem with something, have NO clue as to what to do about it
deny it exists
demonise those who DO recognise it
then also demonise those who dont recognise it

hey you have just won the self righteous sanctimonious prize.

I mean quill, rather than realise that there is a problem with black on black (or. especially for that precious antipodean plonker, person of colour upon person of colour) violence, There ARE those who would say so what ...as long as they are killing each other off thats not my problem...let em have at it.......

Is THAT what you want, just so you can sit there inhaling the stench of sanctimony, and spout yet again upon the callousness of "whitey"????

You seem inordinately fond of trying to tsalk yorself into a corner from whence all roads are racist....even if they are not.

1) Have you ever heard of a black person who objects to being called black?

2) "tsalk yorself"???

3) Why aren't black people doing this in other big cities? Bet it's something to do with gangs, actually.

4) "tsalk yorself"????????

Oh for goodness sake

The question to ask, is why its happenning in London, when knife crime is not as big a  problem elsewhere.

So hence why is there a problem with gangs in London?

Is it also gangs have become emboldened due to laws, that have reduced stop and search? A reduction in Police. Is it down to knowing that the Police also fear being accused of being racist if they stop and search that some have become emboldened? Is it because of the rise of youtube videos glorifying such deaths? Drugs?


telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/07/drill-music-gang-bragged-moped-stabbings-youtube-court-hears/

This is a growing problem in London, where Blacks are also the biggest victims of such crimes. So to ignore this, is what is infinately ignorant of the left. Clearly there is reasons as to what is drawing black, white, asian etc kids, into such gangs. Though predominantly the vast majority of these killers are black.

That is concerning and needs looking into, just as Lord Foul states, on social causes, education, as well as aspects like relative poverty. London has some of the biggest divides when it comes to relative poverty. From litterally some of the wealthiest areas, to the poorest.

Stop ignoring the problem, where its clear many kids from broken homes will be drawn into such violence. This is a well known fact, not only in the UK, but in the US and elsewhere.

Seen loads of 'community' friends and family of victims who say categorically that their victim had absolutely nothing to do with gangs...


And don't waffle on about relative poverty and that bullshit... if you're a bit skint, then you get a job and work hard... you don't get a knife and go round stabbing people...!!!


Also... I've heard plenty of these 'community' numpties trying to excuse the carrying of knives by those of their community... by saying that they understand why they might want to carry knives because 'Its dangerous out there'... well, the only danger out there is from those very same idiots who are carrying the knives and who they are trying to make excuses for...!!!

gelico wrote:

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/london-violence-list-murder-victims-killed-in-the-capital-so-far-this-year/

That link isn't scanning well over here, but some photo's are showing up ok...

One image shows a dark brown teenager, the next two are light skinned, though the girl is obviously of part-negro/African heritage..

Anybody using those images to back their claims here need their fucking heads read.

The Australian police forces stopped using the term "black" a couple of decades back -- largely due to the term being largely meaningless, often innaccurate and easily misused/abused..

As shown on this thread, with the usual white supremacist Brits "showing their true colours"...

And you xenophobic fuckers keep on calling me, Quill and veya "racists"..

Wolf wrote:And you xenophobic fuckers keep on calling me, Quill and veya "racists"..

They know. They're just defensive.

Tommy Monk wrote:

Seen loads of 'community' friends and family of victims who say categorically that their victim had absolutely nothing to do with gangs...


And don't waffle on about relative poverty and that bullshit... if you're a bit skint, then you get a job and work hard... you don't get a knife and go round stabbing people...!!!


Also... I've heard plenty of these 'community' numpties trying to excuse the carrying of knives by those of their community... by saying that they understand why they might want to carry knives because 'Its dangerous out there'... well, the only danger out there is from those very same idiots who are carrying the knives and who they are trying to make excuses for...!!!

1) So your evidence is not facts but hearsay. For example the latest victim John Ogunjobi.

Friends also said he was an aspiring rapper who was associated with the LTH (Lower Tulse Hill) gang and went to school at Park Campus in West Norwood.

I suggest you actually read what is said about many of the victims, before making such idiotic claims. Just because some victims are not part of gangs, many have been. No matter if they have little involvement

2) Which shows you do not even understand what relative poverty is. For example in some places in the US where the majority of the population of a town is all poor. There is very little crime. The same where they are the majority all middle class. The same where they are all rich. If there is a big disparity between rich and poor, the higher the crime rate. These are again simple facts, which someone of your complete ignorance on the matter, knows nothing about. So I suggest before you jump in yet again with your gibberish, which is an apparant habbit of yours, that you check, what it is, you are talking about. As its evident you have not a clue

3) Really? That is also as dumb as it gets, as many will not be involved in gangs and many of these stabbings have been gang related.

So how about you stop as per usual. Spreading your unresearched ignorance to this forum

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:


That link isn't scanning well over here, but some photo's are showing up ok...

One image shows a dark brown teenager, the next two are light skinned, though the girl is obviously of part-negro/African heritage..

Anybody using those images to back their claims here need their fucking heads read.

The Australian police forces stopped using the term "black" a couple of decades back -- largely due to the term being largely meaningless, often innaccurate and easily misused/abused..

As shown on this thread, with the usual white supremacist Brits "showing their true colours"...

And you xenophobic fuckers keep on calling me, Quill and veya "racists"..

The world staanards on what racism is, are not set by Australian standards

So to claim using the term black here, in the US, the rest of europe is racist, is about as dumb as it gets

So what happens in Australia has no relevance what so ever to the standards in the UK

Considering we have many black groups that actually reference themselves as black. Is thus people classed black, wanting to be defined this way

So are you classing these black people that refer to themselves as black, as racist?

That has to be one of the must dumbest arguments you have presented

Quill calls me racist, or haven't you noticed ?

Phildidge wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:

Seen loads of 'community' friends and family of victims who say categorically that their victim had absolutely nothing to do with gangs...


And don't waffle on about relative poverty and that bullshit... if you're a bit skint, then you get a job and work hard... you don't get a knife and go round stabbing people...!!!


Also... I've heard plenty of these 'community' numpties trying to excuse the carrying of knives by those of their community... by saying that they understand why they might want to carry knives because 'Its dangerous out there'... well, the only danger out there is from those very same idiots who are carrying the knives and who they are trying to make excuses for...!!!

1) So your evidence is not facts but hearsay. For example the latest victim John Ogunjobi.

Friends also said he was an aspiring rapper who was associated with the LTH (Lower Tulse Hill) gang and went to school at Park Campus in West Norwood.

I suggest you actually read what is said about many of the victims, before making such idiotic claims. Just because some victims are not part of gangs, many have been. No matter if they have little involvement

2) Which shows you do not even understand what relative poverty is. For example in some places in the US where the majority of the population of a town is all poor. There is very little crime. The same where they are the majority all middle class. The same where they are all rich. If there is a big disparity between rich and poor, the higher the crime rate. These are again simple facts, which someone of your complete ignorance on the matter, knows nothing about. So I suggest before you jump in yet again with your gibberish, which is an apparant habbit of yours, that you check, what it is, you are talking about. As its evident you have not a clue

3) Really? That is also as dumb as it gets, as many will not be involved in gangs and many of these stabbings have been gang related.

So how about you stop as per usual. Spreading your unresearched ignorance to this forum

So when I say what I've seen many have said on tv, it's heresy... but when you say what you've seen some people on tv say, then it's absolute truth...?



I never said none were gang related... I think some/many were... I'm just saying what I've seen others who knew victims have said...

Phildidge wrote:

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:


That link isn't scanning well over here, but some photo's are showing up ok...

One image shows a dark brown teenager, the next two are light skinned, though the girl is obviously of part-negro/African heritage..

Anybody using those images to back their claims here need their fucking heads read.

The Australian police forces stopped using the term "black" a couple of decades back -- largely due to the term being largely meaningless, often innaccurate and easily misused/abused..

As shown on this thread, with the usual white supremacist Brits "showing their true colours"...

And you xenophobic fuckers keep on calling me, Quill and veya "racists"..

The world staanards on what racism is, are not set by Australian standards

So to claim using the term black here, in the US, the rest of europe is racist, is about as dumb as it gets

So what happens in Australia has no relevance what so ever to the standards in the UK

Considering we have many black groups that actually reference themselves as black. Is thus people classed black, wanting to be defined this way

So are you classing these black people that refer to themselves as black, as racist?

That has to be one of the must dumbest arguments you have presented

And here we have Dodge putting on his dumbfuck hat, deliberately misrepresenting what others have said, arguing for argument's sake...

Only a few months ago, we saw Didge pushing the simple home truth that in reality there are no genuine "racial" divisions within the one human race, and nor is there such an animal as either "black" or "yellow" races..

And yet, here we see the Dodger doing a complete 180° turn, soley to defend his bigotted countrymen against these wicked uppity foreigners.

No coincidence that Dodge himself has been falsely labelling me, Quill, veya and Ben as "racist" and "hypocrite" over recent months..

The exchange between Nicko and Quill....

Why does Quill think Nicko is being racist by asking if he is black?
It's not an insult, it's a question.

Would it be an insult to be asked if you were white, or gay, or tall, or French?

Syl wrote:The exchange between Nicko and Quill....

Why does Quill think Nicko is being racist by asking if he is black?
It's not an insult, it's a question.

Would it be an insult to be asked if you were white, or gay, or tall, or French?

he doesn't

it's called deflection

he can focus on an imaginary insult and bang on about that, which saves dealing with the stats produced by didge.

rather than talk about the real problem, let's just create an imaginary one instead

gelico wrote:

Syl wrote:The exchange between Nicko and Quill....

Why does Quill think Nicko is being racist by asking if he is black?
It's not an insult, it's a question.

Would it be an insult to be asked if you were white, or gay, or tall, or French?

he doesn't

it's called deflection

he can focus on an imaginary insult and bang on about that, which saves dealing with  the stats produced by didge.

rather than talk about the real problem, let's just create an imaginary one instead

I think you are right, maybe Quill will argue we are wrong.

Bang on gelico!


There are some on here who regularly do this!!!

Syl wrote:The exchange between Nicko and Quill....

Why does Quill think Nicko is being racist by asking if he is black?
It's not an insult, it's a question.

No. It's an insult. Otherwise, why does he need to know?

But it's an insult, more to the black race than to me. He's asking if I am one of those inferior beings, for which he expresses only disdain. So you see, it's not nearly the insult to me, as it is a left handed way of saying blacks are inferior.

Ask yourself, why does he go through this exercise? He already knows I'm not black. It's a way of saying, disparagingly, you are one of those inferior creatures. Mind you, I don't care...I merely point out how racist that approach is.

And if you can't grasp the point it's because you are in the racist camp. Politics have become tribal world-wide.

Society of Black Lawyers UK.

Black Solicitors' Network UK.

Search as I may, I cannot find a Society of White Lawyers or a White Solicitors' Network anywhere...not that I would either want or expect to; it would rightly be condemned as "racist."

For the last time Quill, I asked if you were Black because you always take the side of a black man when there's a report about court case involving Blacks.

At you last count I have 5 Black GREAT Grand Children and 2 Black Grand Daughters !


So you are just being a knob Head.

nicko wrote:For the last time Quill,   I asked if you were Black because you always take the side of a black man when there's a report about court case involving Blacks.

So, you weren't really asking for information, right? And that was because you already knew I am not black, right? So, within that framework, what was your purpose?

Wasn't it to diminish my stature around here by suggesting I am black? And isn't that because you feel blacks, and the black race as a whole, is inferior? It’s your standard for ‘inferiority’.

Let me give you a parallel. If I want to disparage you, I call you a low-down dog, or better, a son-of-a-bitch. There's nothing wrong with dogs...it's just that most people assume they are inferior to us as beings. So, when I call you a son-of-a-bitch I'm not only insulting you, but I'm presuming we all understand that all dogs are an inferior species.

It's that way when you call someone black. It hardly matters to the person you are addressing, particularly if they are not, but it clearly shows your disparaging attitude toward blacks, as they are your standard for inferiority.

Oh for fucks sake

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:The exchange between Nicko and Quill....

Why does Quill think Nicko is being racist by asking if he is black?
It's not an insult, it's a question.

No.  It's an insult.  Otherwise, why does he need to know?

But it's an insult, more to the black race than to me.  He's asking if I am one of those inferior beings, for which he expresses only disdain.  So you see, it's not nearly the insult to me, as it is a left handed way of saying blacks are inferior.

Ask yourself, why does he go through this exercise?  He already knows I'm not black.  It's a way of saying, disparagingly, you are one of those inferior creatures.  Mind you, I don't care...I merely point out how racist that approach is.

And if you can't grasp the point it's because you are in the racist camp.  Politics have become tribal world-wide.

I dont know what Nicko knows, I just wonder why you thought it was an insult.
Maybe you think it's insulting to be asked if you are black, which would actually make you the racist.

As has been pointed out Nicko has black grandkids which he loves, he has spoken about them often on here.
BTW I have quite a 2 black nephews and a black niece, an ex brother in law was black...many people in the modern world have a mix in their families and think nothing of it.
I am beginning the think the people who forever use the race card are actually talking about themselves.

Syl wrote:I dont know what Nicko knows, I just wonder why you thought it was an insult.

When someone knows you are not black--as everyone knows hereon--what is the intention of asking if you are black?

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Phildidge wrote:

The world staanards on what racism is, are not set by Australian standards

So to claim using the term black here, in the US, the rest of europe is racist, is about as dumb as it gets

So what happens in Australia has no relevance what so ever to the standards in the UK

Considering we have many black groups that actually reference themselves as black. Is thus people classed black, wanting to be defined this way

So are you classing these black people that refer to themselves as black, as racist?

That has to be one of the must dumbest arguments you have presented

And here we have Dodge putting on his dumbfuck hat, deliberately misrepresenting what others have said, arguing for argument's sake...

Only a few months ago, we saw Didge pushing the simple home truth that in reality there are no genuine "racial" divisions within the one human race, and nor is there such an animal as either "black" or "yellow" races..

And yet, here we see the Dodger doing a complete 180° turn, soley to defend his bigotted countrymen against these wicked uppity foreigners.

No coincidence that Dodge himself has been falsely labelling me, Quill, veya and Ben as "racist" and "hypocrite" over recent months..

So nothing to actually counter my point

Even though I think the Aussie system is better, but its not down to me, who people classed as black define themselves and neither is it down to you

At no point did I call you, Quill or Ben Racist here

Hence you are lying as per usual

Show me once where I cast you all as racist on this thread?

You know you cannot and thus poorly lie, as that is all you can do

Tommy Monk wrote:

Phildidge wrote:


1) So your evidence is not facts but hearsay. For example the latest victim John Ogunjobi.

Friends also said he was an aspiring rapper who was associated with the LTH (Lower Tulse Hill) gang and went to school at Park Campus in West Norwood.

I suggest you actually read what is said about many of the victims, before making such idiotic claims. Just because some victims are not part of gangs, many have been. No matter if they have little involvement

2) Which shows you do not even understand what relative poverty is. For example in some places in the US where the majority of the population of a town is all poor. There is very little crime. The same where they are the majority all middle class. The same where they are all rich. If there is a big disparity between rich and poor, the higher the crime rate. These are again simple facts, which someone of your complete ignorance on the matter, knows nothing about. So I suggest before you jump in yet again with your gibberish, which is an apparant habbit of yours, that you check, what it is, you are talking about. As its evident you have not a clue

3) Really? That is also as dumb as it gets, as many will not be involved in gangs and many of these stabbings have been gang related.

So how about you stop as per usual. Spreading your unresearched ignorance to this forum

So when I say what I've seen many have said on tv, it's heresy... but when you say what you've seen some people on tv say, then it's absolute truth...?



I never said none were gang related... I think some/many were... I'm just saying what I've seen others who knew victims have said...

And yet you cannot back up your claim with stats

I have throughout and you claim many or the majority of victims were not gang members.

Hence not providing evidence, is hearsay

Now actually answer my points or are you going to dodge them as per usual?

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:I dont know what Nicko knows, I just wonder why you thought it was an insult.

When someone knows you are not black--as everyone knows hereon--what is the intention of asking if you are black?

Well, you may define yourself as black

Who knows?

People can and do have a bias towards their own ethnicity and being as you stand against your own ethnicity, living by perpetual guilt, for things people did in the past and nothing you ever did. Hence, its a very valid question. Espically when people are making up what ethnicity they are these days

So how was it not a valid question?