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No wonder Quill has no success with Women, he doesn't have a clue about them, Past it at 35, an old fiddle plays the best tunes. A woman of 35 or more knows what it's all about, so i'v found !

Bloody hell, when you get to my age a 35 year old is still a child.

Okay, NEW TOPIC:

Are soldiers inherently brave?

I would say if you actually risked your life, or if you signed up during a war, that's pretty brave.

Otherwise, I don't think soldiers are nearly as brave as, say, firefighters.

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:Okay, NEW TOPIC:

Are soldiers inherently brave?

I would say if you actually risked your life, or if you signed up during a war, that's pretty brave.

Otherwise, I don't think soldiers are nearly as brave as, say, firefighters.

I think many soldiers join up when young and have no idea of what the reality of death and disfigurement is....the young are untouchable.
When reality bites, they are conditioned to obey orders without question.

In combat thats when the bravery kicks in.

I'd willingly join in this debate...but I've forgotten what sex is.

I do vaguely recall milady asking me what would come after sex - and that she didn't seem to be very pleased with my answer.

But seven is correct, innit?

Oh, bugger...now we're supposed to be talking about soldiers.......

Fred Moletrousers wrote:I'd willingly join in this debate...but I've forgotten what sex is.

I do vaguely recall milady asking me what would come after sex - and that she didn't seem to be very pleased with my answer.

But seven is correct, innit?

Oh, bugger...now we're supposed to be talking about soldiers.......

Hahaha......keep up Fred.

Laughter is as good as sex sometimes, so you must be doing OK.

Fred Moletrousers wrote:I'd willingly join in this debate...but I've forgotten what sex is.

I do vaguely recall milady asking me what would come after sex - and that she didn't seem to be very pleased with my answer.

But seven is correct, innit?

Oh, bugger...now we're supposed to be talking about soldiers.......

Ooh, I've got a number joke!

Why was six afraid of seven?

Because seven ate nine!

Cracked up my six-year-old stepdaughter, that one did!

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:

Fred Moletrousers wrote:I'd willingly join in this debate...but I've forgotten what sex is.

I do vaguely recall milady asking me what would come after sex - and that she didn't seem to be very pleased with my answer.

But seven is correct, innit?

Oh, bugger...now we're supposed to be talking about soldiers.......

Ooh, I've got a number joke!

Why was six afraid of seven?

Because seven ate nine!

Cracked up my six-year-old stepdaughter, that one did!

Yeah, no. It’s not funny. Wasn’t then, isn’t now.

eddie wrote:

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:

Fred Moletrousers wrote:I'd willingly join in this debate...but I've forgotten what sex is.

I do vaguely recall milady asking me what would come after sex - and that she didn't seem to be very pleased with my answer.

But seven is correct, innit?

Oh, bugger...now we're supposed to be talking about soldiers.......

Ooh, I've got a number joke!

Why was six afraid of seven?

Because seven ate nine!

Cracked up my six-year-old stepdaughter, that one did!

Yeah, no. It’s not funny. Wasn’t then, isn’t now.

You're outnumbered on this one, dude.

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:Okay, NEW TOPIC:

Are soldiers inherently brave?

I would say if you actually risked your life, or if you signed up during a war, that's pretty brave.

Otherwise, I don't think soldiers are nearly as brave as, say, firefighters.

All soldiers are brave but to certain degrees and it more matters on a few individuals that can help overcome fear in combat

Nobody knows what it is like, including me, until faced with combat

A number will want to run and rightly so (who wouldn't). However those clued up will know that its better to go forward than backwards, as you are more likely to die running away. This is a true fact when you are being shelled, as shelling always creeps forward, not backwards. Hence those running back, are running into the shelling creeping forward.

It is really those truely brave and fearless, those that except the finality of death itself, that have helped and won many battles. They are the sort of people that will litterally jump onto a thrown grenade to save their brothers in arms. They are the ones that will always go forward and take the battle head on. The reality is they represent a small percentage of soldiers who do fight, but through them, others follow. Its the same with a firefighter. Only a few will risk their lives going into a fire, knowing it could end their lives. Others would stay back based on the risk. I would say this number is about 5% of all people. This number is true in many different scenarios.

During WW2 they did an actual analysis of this and found what I have said above to be true. They then kept it under raps, as they feared it would create more fear within soldiers.

Like I say though, all of them are brave, just some more than others. As they are placing their lives at continual risk

I mean imagine this. To retieve the bodies of those who had died and with those killed in tanks. It was so horrific, that the best way to retieve bodies in tanks, was with a spoon and cup. To retrive all the parts. Imagine seeing that and what psychological effect that would have on soldiers?

It  is so true when they say a band of brothers and how many are scared for life, during the many battles, seeing their friends die and be injured. It made families out of men.

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:Okay, NEW TOPIC:

Are soldiers inherently brave?

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Nope....

Many soldiers will prove to be "brave";  some won't; but I don't consider it "inherent" in a majority ..

In todays military,  half the current seving personnel won't be sent to a conflict if there is one --  and out of those who do go, less than 20% will be out in the action -- with 4 out of 5 in backup and support roles.      That's the nature of 'modern' warfare.

No their not, I was shit scared most of the time. But I did what I was told to do, Because at the time I thought it was the right thing to do !

nicko wrote:No their not, I was shit scared most of the time.  But I did what I was told to do,   Because at the time I thought it was the right thing to do !

Nicko, you jumped out of an aeroplane dangling from the end of a big airbag comprising knicker material and string.

The most dangerous thing I did was getting pneumonia because some twerp decided that RAF personnel officers should have to spend a weekend at Bridgenorth living in a tent for a week and running around with a gun (presumably because he thought that recruits might be dangerous and threaten to assault us with their exam papers and pencils).

In my book, chum, you're brave alright...even if you did need an urgent change of underwear.

(I did once get shot at (he missed) and got too close to one of those Israeli/Palestinian spats when hand grenades were being chucked about - but that was when I was a civvie and working aboad.)

Answer to the question: Inherently (adverb): "in a permanent, essential or characteristic way."  

So not necessarily.

That reminds me of a "black humour" song, sung in Pub after a jump. sung to the tune of Glory Hallelujah------

They scraped him off the Tarmac like a load of Strawberry jam. [repeat twice more],
and he 'aint gonna jump no more!

nicko wrote:That reminds me of a "black humour" song, sung in Pub after a jump.  sung to the tune of Glory Hallelujah------

 They scraped him off the Tarmac like a load of Strawberry jam. [repeat twice more],
and he 'aint gonna jump no more!

The RAF had a version too...."They scraped him off the runway like a pound of strawberry jam
and he ain't gonna fly any more"

NEW TOPIC FOR DEBATE:

If you go for a meal in a restaurant and your food is unsatisfactory, ie cold, over cooked, etc...should you have to pay for it, even if you ate at least half?

eating half - yes pay for it.
Tasting only and deciding its cold, overcooked, unsatisfactory either have it replaced or don't pay and leave - after you've told them of course.

But what if you eat half because you’re hungry and have waited for your meal and everyone else at the table started eating? You only ate half...and obviously didn’t like it...so should you pay?

eddie wrote:But what if you eat half because you’re hungry and have waited for your meal and everyone else at the table started eating? You only ate half...and obviously didn’t like it...so should you pay?

Yes, if it wasn't bad enough to send back straight away, it wasn't that bad 

you might decide to not go there again or something, but You received the service sufficiently if you consumed half, you should pay, even if it didn't meet your desired exceptions.

For the record, I think half is too much to eat without paying for it. Maybe three or four bites before you decide it's not right for you, but half is too much.

NEW TOPIC!

Is it better to communicate directly or subtly?

I can really go both ways on this one. On the one hand, I think of my grandmother, who would say "it's kind of cold in here" and we were supposed to know that meant she wanted us to turn off the air conditioning. That annoyed the hell out of me.

On the other hand, communicating directly can be embarrassing for all parties involved, and you can come across as demanding or too blunt.

What do you think?

communicate directly as possible..... 
and if that's not an option just go full 'interpretive dance' 

Communicate directly. Or don’t bother.

Beating around the bush never got anyone anywhere no how.

Be direct, let people know where you stand, you dont have to be demanding about it.

Depends on the context. Friends and family? Direct. Business and work? Sometimes directness is a bad move for the reasons Ben states. Still, I'll always be as honest as I feel I'm able to.

With strangers? Depends on the person.

I tend to find so many situations in life a tightrope act, I don't know if it's just me.

I find myself thinking, "Be aggressive, but polite." Or, "be flexible - to a point."

Maybe it's just my INFP personality type. https://www.16personalities.com/infp-personality

*THE Ben Reilly* wrote:I tend to find so many situations in life a tightrope act, I don't know if it's just me.

I find myself thinking, "Be aggressive, but polite." Or, "be flexible - to a point."

Maybe it's just my INFP personality type. https://www.16personalities.com/infp-personality

DEBATER (ENTP-A) https://www.16personalities.com/entp-personality

The Debater personality type is the ultimate devil’s advocate, thriving on the process of shredding arguments and beliefs and letting the ribbons drift in the wind for all to see. Debaters don’t do this because they are trying to achieve some deeper purpose or strategic goal, but for the simple reason that it’s fun.

yep that's me alright 

That test calls me a "Logician"...

https://www.16personalities.com/intp-personality

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

That test calls me a  "Logician"...

https://www.16personalities.com/intp-personality

Proud INTJ-A here.

An 'Architect' and an 'analyst'.

I did this a few years ago and was on the edge of being an INFJ back then; I've become more thinking and less feeling apparently

Why proud? Because hell I'm apparently up there with Gandalf the Grey, Tywin Lannister and Christopher Nolan

https://www.16personalities.com/intj-personality

Mediator.....I think thats pretty accurate for me.

Your Results

“The Mediator” (INFP-A)
Diplomat
Confident Individualism
49%
51%
Introverted
69%
Intuitive
31%
26%
74%
Feeling
39%
61%
Prospecting
61%
Assertive
39%
Save your results to gain access to additional insights, surveys, and other useful resources in our Members Area!

I’m not keen on those tests because it kind of labels you on the day you took the test, and people’s moods are different from one day to the next. Hell, mine are different from one hour to the next.

Also, I always find myself caught between two answers or choices....so what does that say?

Take the test when you’re happy and then againwhen you’re really fucking down and I bet the results are different.

One last thing, if you do these kind of tests when you’re young and/or impressionable, that label sticks and you become what you’re told you are.

I hate that shit.

*THE Ben Reilly* wrote:I tend to find so many situations in life a tightrope act, I don't know if it's just me.

I find myself thinking, "Be aggressive, but polite." Or, "be flexible - to a point."

Maybe it's just my INFP personality type. https://www.16personalities.com/infp-personality

When was the last time you took that test.?
Same question for everyone else, too.

Its just a bit of fun....mine came out I was more introvert than extrovert 49%.... 51%...I am definitely not introverted.

Syl wrote:Its just a bit of fun....mine came out I was more introvert than  extrovert 49%.... 51%...I am definitely not introverted.

No, you’re just normal. Like most people you like socialising when you fancy it and staying home when you don’t.
These tests are stupid and some people don’t think they’re just fun, they take that label and run with it, playing it all out in their lives for their whole lives.

If you told a child or even a young adult every day, that he was really brave, he would grow up brave. Without a doubt. Tell yourself that you’re an introvert and you’ll start behaving that way and not only that, it gives you excuses to behave a certain way too.

eddie wrote:

Syl wrote:Its just a bit of fun....mine came out I was more introvert than  extrovert 49%.... 51%...I am definitely not introverted.

No, you’re just normal. Like most people you like socialising when you fancy it and staying home when you don’t.
These tests are stupid and some people don’t think they’re just fun, they take that label and run with it, playing it all out in their lives for their whole lives.

If you told a child or even a young adult every day, that he was really brave, he would grow up brave. Without a doubt. Tell yourself that you’re an introvert and you’ll start behaving that way and not only that, it gives you excuses to behave a certain way too.

Yes I think thats right.
Oddly enough I have just had a three hour car journey with my 21 year old grandson discussing mind over matter, how peoples thought process can determine their health and their personality....and lots of other deep meaningful debates about peoples psychs.
He is very clever...I learn a lot on these long journeys.

I don't know what I am, all suggestions welcome !

eddie wrote:

*THE Ben Reilly* wrote:I tend to find so many situations in life a tightrope act, I don't know if it's just me.

I find myself thinking, "Be aggressive, but polite." Or, "be flexible - to a point."

Maybe it's just my INFP personality type. https://www.16personalities.com/infp-personality

When was the last time you took that test.?
Same question for everyone else, too.

Pretty recently, actually. I would be interested in seeing other members' scores.

Syl wrote:

eddie wrote:

Syl wrote:Its just a bit of fun....mine came out I was more introvert than  extrovert 49%.... 51%...I am definitely not introverted.

No, you’re just normal. Like most people you like socialising when you fancy it and staying home when you don’t.
These tests are stupid and some people don’t think they’re just fun, they take that label and run with it, playing it all out in their lives for their whole lives.

If you told a child or even a young adult every day, that he was really brave, he would grow up brave. Without a doubt. Tell yourself that you’re an introvert and you’ll start behaving that way and not only that, it gives you excuses to behave a certain way too.

Yes I think thats right.
Oddly enough I have just had a three hour car journey with my 21 year old grandson discussing mind over matter, how peoples thought process can determine their health and their personality....and lots of other deep meaningful debates about peoples psychs.
He is very clever...I learn a lot on these long journeys.

I hear you. I think these tests can be limiting.

eddie wrote:

*THE Ben Reilly* wrote:I tend to find so many situations in life a tightrope act, I don't know if it's just me.

I find myself thinking, "Be aggressive, but polite." Or, "be flexible - to a point."

Maybe it's just my INFP personality type. https://www.16personalities.com/infp-personality

When was the last time you took that test.?
Same question for everyone else, too.

2 years ago. I was still INTJ-A then too though the T has gotten much stronger, now at 71%.

Previously it was like Thinking 52% vs Feeling 48%.

Which means I've become more analystical, I guess

And I usual think these things are BS too, but this test gives you around 10 long articles of info and this is the ONLY test (or astrological 'reading') that has ever been near perfect in telling me about myself.

I do not use it for suggestions on how to live, that what be nonsensical

And tbf Eds, you follow astrology like it's infallible when in fact it is vague gibberish most of the time and almost always wrong in half of what it says (but wow if it isn't insane how accurate it is 50% of the time ). How is astrology different to this test where labels are concerned?

At least this is based on personality rather than stars...

I last took this same test a couple of years ago, as well...

And, as with Eilzel, I have also found my results tending more towards the logical and analytical, and drifting away from the emotional and feeling..

Makes it look like some of us are getting more reasonable and rational with age.

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

I last took this same test a couple of years ago, as well...

And, as with Eilzel, I have also found my results tending more towards the logical and analytical, and drifting away from the emotional and feeling..

Makes it look like some of us are getting more reasonable and rational with age.

I certainly like to think so

If everyone just did every thing based off feelings, world'd be in a right god awful state

Massive signs of insecurities by people to take an engineered test and then claim reason afterwards

I looked at the questions on that test and doubt anyone answered them with reason but emotionally and dishonestly. as will have a natural bias towards themselves.

The test would be far better by people answering for others to then see how if the answers came out the same

And nobody dont dare say  "its fun", as these tests are not fun, as they fuel insecurities of people and make themselves feel they are something they are not. Psychologically they are poor indicators of the true abilities and emotions of people

Seriously

Does anyone here need to take such a test to know who they are or to big themselves up?

That is very much emotional Eilzel and not using reason is it?

I would like to think that the world needs everyone to have positive emotions, as without this, the world would be in dispair

Love is the greatest emotion and is what drives many people

So lets put this to the test for you

Are your left wing views steered by more emotions than reasons?

I am really going to put you to the test here, because the reality is they will be by 90% emotional

Wanna try?

Didge wrote:Massive signs of insecurities by people to take an engineered test and then claim reason afterwards

I looked at the questions on that test and doubt anyone answered then with reason but emotionally and dishonestly

The test would be far better by people answering for others to then see how if the answers came out the same

And nobody dont dare say  "its fun", as these tests are not fun, as they fuel insecurities of people and make themselves feell they are something they are not. Psychologically they are poor indicators of the true abilities and emotions of people

Seriously

Does anyone here need to take such a test to know who they are or to big themselves up?

That is very much emotional Eilzel and not using reason is it?

I would like to think that the world needs everyone to have positive emotions, as without this, the world would be in dispair

Love is the greatest emotion and is what drives many people

So lets put this to the test for you

Are your left wing views steered by more emotions than reasons?

I am really going to put you to the test here, because the reality is they will be by 90% emotional

Wanna try?

1) Your doubt is irrelevant. No one has any reason to lie on a test like this. Maybe some do, I don't care.

2) It is fun. I find it fun. There, I dared. Don't be silly. I find it fun. If anyone else doesn't, I don't care, they can not do them.

3) I don't see how these tests allow people to really big themselves up. This one doesn't say anything positive or negative, though gives strengths and weaknesses to whatever outcome you get. For me it doesn't matter. It has zero impact on what I do and how I live my life. I just find it interesting when such tests are so accurate (and for the record, most are miles off, or too scatter shot, like Astrology: sure half of what it says rings true, but half is also utter BS). The MB test is surprisingly accurate, I find that interesting.

4) I didn't say feelings are always irrelevant, I said if the world was governed more by feelings than thinking then we'd have problems.

5) My LW views are very much a product of both feelings and reason. However, to give a solid example of where feelings could fuck the world, if I based my entire view on feelings alone I'd probably be a communist. But because I am able to think beyond that I know that communism will never really work. So I'm a Liberal Socialist.

Eilzel wrote:

Didge wrote:Massive signs of insecurities by people to take an engineered test and then claim reason afterwards

I looked at the questions on that test and doubt anyone answered then with reason but emotionally and dishonestly

The test would be far better by people answering for others to then see how if the answers came out the same

And nobody dont dare say  "its fun", as these tests are not fun, as they fuel insecurities of people and make themselves feell they are something they are not. Psychologically they are poor indicators of the true abilities and emotions of people

Seriously

Does anyone here need to take such a test to know who they are or to big themselves up?

That is very much emotional Eilzel and not using reason is it?

I would like to think that the world needs everyone to have positive emotions, as without this, the world would be in dispair

Love is the greatest emotion and is what drives many people

So lets put this to the test for you

Are your left wing views steered by more emotions than reasons?

I am really going to put you to the test here, because the reality is they will be by 90% emotional

Wanna try?

1) Your doubt is irrelevant. No one has any reason to lie on a test like this. Maybe some do, I don't care.

Didge wrote:You dont believe people have an subconcious bias towards themselves?

Seriously?

I bet you that if every poster here did the test based on you, the answers would come out very different

2) It is fun. I find it fun. There, I dared. Don't be silly. I find it fun. If anyone else doesn't, I don't care, they can not do them.

Didge wrote:Well I am sure you do find insecurity tests fun, when people need to feel good about themselves. The point is whether it is a good indicator or not of that character and personality. Of course not as again people will have a subconcious bias towards themselves and others. As in reality people will be very dishonest when they answer

3) I don't see how these tests allow people to really big themselves up. This one doesn't say anything positive or negative, though gives strengths and weaknesses to whatever outcome you get. For me it doesn't matter. It has zero impact on what I do and how I live my life. I just find it interesting when such tests are so accurate (and for the record, most are miles off, or too scatter shot, like Astrology: sure half of what it says rings true, but half is also utter BS). The MB test is surprisingly accurate, I find that interesting.

Didge wrote:On each question there is variance of 6 answers and you are guaging this on yourself, with again a subconcious bias. It then is based on a number of outcomes to then claim how people are

Thus emotive in thinking

Of course you find it interesting, because its not a real test to show how people are. That is why suckers take such tests, in order to make themselves feel better about themselves

You then say accurate and base this on what? Your own subconcious bias to how you think you are?

I mean why not have your palm read?

4) I didn't say feelings are always irrelevant, I said if the world was governed more by feelings than thinking than we'd have problems.

Didge wrote:Really?

If the world was governed by positive emotions, then the world would be void of hate, homelessness etc

5) My LW views are very much a product of both feelings and reason. However, to give a solid example of where feelings could fuck the world, if I based my entire view on feelings alone I'd probably be a communist. But because I am able to think beyond that I know that communism will never really work. So I'm a Liberal Socialist.

Okat lets put this to the test

You are saying its based on reason

The homeless

Reason why you should help them?

For anyone who does not understand what I am saying here. I suggest they simple understand what the "Barnum effect" is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnum_effect

Didge wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Didge wrote:Massive signs of insecurities by people to take an engineered test and then claim reason afterwards

I looked at the questions on that test and doubt anyone answered then with reason but emotionally and dishonestly

The test would be far better by people answering for others to then see how if the answers came out the same

And nobody dont dare say  "its fun", as these tests are not fun, as they fuel insecurities of people and make themselves feell they are something they are not. Psychologically they are poor indicators of the true abilities and emotions of people

Seriously

Does anyone here need to take such a test to know who they are or to big themselves up?

That is very much emotional Eilzel and not using reason is it?

I would like to think that the world needs everyone to have positive emotions, as without this, the world would be in dispair

Love is the greatest emotion and is what drives many people

So lets put this to the test for you

Are your left wing views steered by more emotions than reasons?

I am really going to put you to the test here, because the reality is they will be by 90% emotional

Wanna try?

1) Your doubt is irrelevant. No one has any reason to lie on a test like this. Maybe some do, I don't care.

Didge wrote:You dont believe people have an subconcious bias towards themselves?

Seriously?

I bet you that if every poster here did the test based on you, the answers would come out very different

2) It is fun. I find it fun. There, I dared. Don't be silly. I find it fun. If anyone else doesn't, I don't care, they can not do them.

Didge wrote:Well I am sure you do find insecurity tests fun, when people need to feel good about themselves. The point is whether it is a good indicator or not of that character and personality. Of course not as again people will have a subconcious bias towards themselves. As in reality people will be very dishonest when they answer

3) I don't see how these tests allow people to really big themselves up. This one doesn't say anything positive or negative, though gives strengths and weaknesses to whatever outcome you get. For me it doesn't matter. It has zero impact on what I do and how I live my life. I just find it interesting when such tests are so accurate (and for the record, most are miles off, or too scatter shot, like Astrology: sure half of what it says rings true, but half is also utter BS). The MB test is surprisingly accurate, I find that interesting.

Didge wrote:On each question there is variance of 6 answers and you are guaging this on yourself, with again a subconcious bias. It then is based on a number of outcomes to then claim how people are

Thus emotive in thinking

Of course you find it interesting, because its not a real test to show how people are. That is why suckers take such tests, in order to make themselves feel better about themselves

You then say accurate and base this on what? Your own subconcious bias to how you think you are?

I mean why not have your palm read?

4) I didn't say feelings are always irrelevant, I said if the world was governed more by feelings than thinking than we'd have problems.

Didge wrote:Really?

If the world was governed by positive emotions, then the world would be void of hate, homelessness etc

5) My LW views are very much a product of both feelings and reason. However, to give a solid example of where feelings could fuck the world, if I based my entire view on feelings alone I'd probably be a communist. But because I am able to think beyond that I know that communism will never really work. So I'm a Liberal Socialist.

Okat lets put this to the test

You are saying its based on reason

The homeless

Reason why you should help them?

1-4 are pointless, I'm not debating whether a test I think is fun and accurate (for me) is fun and accurate or not. That would be a complete waste of both our times.

To scrape the surface on why it is accurate, it points out I:

1) Prefer solitary activities and get exhausted by social interaction. They tend to be quite sensitive to external stimulation (e.g. sound, sight or smell) in general.

Absolutely true. It's why my favourite hobbies are reading, writing and gaming. I do not uphold a busy social life and spend a fair bit of time debating politics on the internet. I think it is pretty obvious from these things I'm fairly introverted.

2) Am very imaginative, open-minded and curious. They prefer novelty over stability and focus on hidden meanings and future possibilities.

Again, I write stories, travelling and studying history. If that doesn't immediately check those first three boxes then I don't know what does. The future possibilities and novelties as opposed to stability basically is demonstrated perfectly by our disagreement on toilets yesterday...

3) Focus on objectivity and rationality, prioritizing logic over emotions. They tend to hide their feelings and see efficiency as more important than cooperation.

I've been arguing for atheism over religion for years which kind of links to this. I'm definitely more a lone wolf than a team player, and that feeds back to both my introvertism and the fact I often feel I can get something done more efficiently if I just do it myself. And this is not a plus, since being a team player is often very important.

4) Am decisive, thorough and highly organized. They value clarity, predictability and closure, preferring structure and planning to spontaneity.

My work space looks like the result of someone with OCD. Even my posts have to look 'clean'. My correcting your word yesterday is directly to do with my disliking imperfections. I am ALL about planning things - holidays, books etc. I want to know what is happening and when before starting anything. I hate sudden changes of plan (again, hardly a plus!)

And this is JUST the tip of the iceberg.
That other people might answer differently 'for me' is irrelevant, and if they did well good luck getting a result as accurate as the one I got.

And again, it is fun. For the same reason people read horoscopes and find out what member of a band they'd be

Didge wrote:For anyone who does not understand what I am saying here. I suggest they simple understand what the "Barnum effect" is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnum_effect

From the link:

...such as astrology, fortune telling, aura reading, and some types of personality tests.

Agree with that sentence entirely. But you try that MB test and see how accurate it is for you - just for fun

Eilzel wrote:

Didge wrote:

Okat lets put this to the test

You are saying its based on reason

The homeless

Reason why you should help them?

1-4 are pointless, I'm not debating whether a test I think is fun and accurate (for me) is fun and accurate or not. That would be a complete waste of both our times.

To scrape the surface on why it is accurate, it points out I:

1) Prefer solitary activities and get exhausted by social interaction. They tend to be quite sensitive to external stimulation (e.g. sound, sight or smell) in general.

Absolutely true. It's why my favourite hobbies are reading, writing and gaming. I do not uphold a busy social life and spend a fair bit of time debating politics on the internet. I think it is pretty obvious from these things I'm fairly introverted.

2) Am very imaginative, open-minded and curious. They prefer novelty over stability and focus on hidden meanings and future possibilities.

Again, I write stories, travelling and studying history. If that doesn't immediately check those first three boxes then I don't know what does. The future possibilities and novelties as opposed to stability basically is demonstrated perfectly by our disagreement on toilets yesterday...

3) Focus on objectivity and rationality, prioritizing logic over emotions. They tend to hide their feelings and see efficiency as more important than cooperation.

I've been arguing for atheism over religion for years which kind of links to this. I'm definitely more a lone wolf than a team player, and that feeds back to both my introvertism and the fact I often feel I can get something done more efficiently if I just do it myself. And this is not a plus, since being a team player is often very important.

4) Am decisive, thorough and highly organized. They value clarity, predictability and closure, preferring structure and planning to spontaneity.

My work space looks like the result of someone with OCD. Even my posts have to look 'clean'. My correcting your word yesterday is directly to do with my disliking imperfections. I am ALL about planning things - holidays, books etc. I want to know what is happening and when before starting anything. I hate sudden changes of plan (again, hardly a plus!)

And this is JUST the tip of the iceberg.
That other people might answer differently 'for me' is irrelevant, and if they did well good luck getting a result as accurate as the one I got.

And again, it is fun. For the same reason people read horoscopes and find out what member of a band they'd be  

Before i amswer your points, do you understand what the Barnum effect is?

Just answered that above.

Eilzel wrote:

Didge wrote:For anyone who does not understand what I am saying here. I suggest they simple understand what the "Barnum effect" is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnum_effect

From the link:

...such as astrology, fortune telling, aura reading, and some types of personality tests.

Agree with that sentence entirely. But you try that MB test and see how accurate it is for you - just for fun

Now do you see why the test is bollocks mate?



Again such test are not true tests and will have people always have a subconcious bias

As seen they are taylored and engineered and why you will not have one valid outcome from them

Its based on a variance over agreement and not agreement

Hence you might as well have your palm read mate

So your previous post is again your views on how you think you are

Again subconcious bias

You would be very hard pushed to find someone totally honest about themselves, as they will always lead with positives and not negatives about themselves. 

That is a fact

As seen above, there was not one negative you stated about yourself. As we all have faults.

So what about the Homeless?

If you aren't going to address the longer poster I just made above, which not only gives the smallest slither of what it says but also gives my own examples (including from discussions we have had) of WHY it is accurate, then I'm not continuing with this discussion.

You haven't done the test.
You haven't addressed my points.
So I'm not wasting my time.