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Eilzel wrote:If you aren't going to address the longer poster I just made above, which not only gives the smallest slither of what it says but also gives my own examples (including from discussions we have had) of WHY it is accurate, then I'm not continuing with this discussion.

You haven't done the test.
You haven't addressed my points.
So I'm not wasting my time.

Eilzel wrote:"...not one had any view of any faults you may have."

Then you obviously didn't read my post, if that's what you are saying.
'Nuff said.

Eilzel wrote:

1) Prefer solitary activities and get exhausted by social interaction. They tend to be quite sensitive to external stimulation (e.g. sound, sight or smell) in general.

Absolutely true. It's why my favourite hobbies are reading, writing and gaming. I do not uphold a busy social life and spend a fair bit of time debating politics on the internet. I think it is pretty obvious from these things I'm fairly introverted. 

didge wrote: Which means you are socially interactive.
Positive outlook on yourself though

2) Am very imaginative, open-minded and curious. They prefer novelty over stability and focus on hidden meanings and future possibilities.

Again, I write stories, travelling and studying history. If that doesn't immediately check those first three boxes then I don't know what does. The future possibilities and novelties as opposed to stability basically is demonstrated perfectly by our disagreement on toilets yesterday...

didge wrote: I would say that is close minded on unisex toilets, because you never factored the possible dangers. So how is that open minded?
Positive outlook on yourself though

3) Focus on objectivity and rationality, prioritizing logic over emotions. They tend to hide their feelings and see efficiency as more important than cooperation.

I've been arguing for atheism over religion for years which kind of links to this. I'm definitely more a lone wolf than a team player, and that feeds back to both my introvertism and the fact I often feel I can get something done more efficiently if I just do it myself. And this is not a plus, since being a team player is often very important.

didge wrote: And yet you team played on the Unisex toilet thread yesterday
See you are not being honest mate

It is a plus if people can do things by themselves, as much as it is with a team

Not sure how you think that is a negative

You see how you are making the answers fit to yourself mate?

4) Am decisive, thorough and highly organized. They value clarity, predictability and closure, preferring structure and planning to spontaneity.

My work space looks like the result of someone with OCD. Even my posts have to look 'clean'. My correcting your word yesterday is directly to do with my disliking imperfections. I am ALL about planning things - holidays, books etc. I want to know what is happening and when before starting anything. I hate sudden changes of plan (again, hardly a plus!)

didge wrote: So you are not spontaneous? really, when everyone is to a certain degree. Being highly organised has nothing to do with correcting someone. That is simple being a smarty pants. The funniest is that you are clearly did not do any reaserch and planning with this test

And this is JUST the tip of the iceberg. 
That other people might answer differently 'for me' is irrelevant, and if they did well good luck getting a result as accurate as the one I got. 

And again, it is fun. For the same reason people read horoscopes and find out what member of a band they'd be   

Didge wrote:

Eilzel wrote:"...not one had any view of any faults you may have."

Then you obviously didn't read my post, if that's what you are saying.
'Nuff said.

I read it, now you are being a baby

Eilzel wrote:

1) Prefer solitary activities and get exhausted by social interaction. They tend to be quite sensitive to external stimulation (e.g. sound, sight or smell) in general.

Absolutely true. It's why my favourite hobbies are reading, writing and gaming. I do not uphold a busy social life and spend a fair bit of time debating politics on the internet. I think it is pretty obvious from these things I'm fairly introverted. 

didge wrote: Which means you are socially interactive.
Positive outlook on yourself though

2) Am very imaginative, open-minded and curious. They prefer novelty over stability and focus on hidden meanings and future possibilities.

Again, I write stories, travelling and studying history. If that doesn't immediately check those first three boxes then I don't know what does. The future possibilities and novelties as opposed to stability basically is demonstrated perfectly by our disagreement on toilets yesterday...

didge wrote: I would say that is close minded on unisex toilets, because you never factored the possible dangers. So how is that open minded?
Positive outlook on yourself though

3) Focus on objectivity and rationality, prioritizing logic over emotions. They tend to hide their feelings and see efficiency as more important than cooperation.

I've been arguing for atheism over religion for years which kind of links to this. I'm definitely more a lone wolf than a team player, and that feeds back to both my introvertism and the fact I often feel I can get something done more efficiently if I just do it myself. And this is not a plus, since being a team player is often very important.

didge wrote: And yet you team played on the Unisex toilet thread yesterday
See you are not being honest mate

It is a plus if people can do things by themselves, as much as it is with a team

Not sure how you think that is a negative

You see how you are making the answers fit to yourself mate?

4) Am decisive, thorough and highly organized. They value clarity, predictability and closure, preferring structure and planning to spontaneity.

My work space looks like the result of someone with OCD. Even my posts have to look 'clean'. My correcting your word yesterday is directly to do with my disliking imperfections. I am ALL about planning things - holidays, books etc. I want to know what is happening and when before starting anything. I hate sudden changes of plan (again, hardly a plus!)

didge wrote: So you are not spontaneous? really, when everyone is to a certain degree. Being highly organised has nothing to do with correcting someone. That is simple being a smarty pants. The funniest is that you are clearly did not do any reaserch and planning with this test

And this is JUST the tip of the iceberg. 
That other people might answer differently 'for me' is irrelevant, and if they did well good luck getting a result as accurate as the one I got. 

And again, it is fun. For the same reason people read horoscopes and find out what member of a band they'd be   

I cannot believe you think the test is accurate

ha ha ha

One sucker born every minute  

All your answers shows is indeed a subconcious bias

You do not need such a test to show why you are a good and fab person mate. You have many great qualities mate. I could provide you with how I see the great qualities in you. As could others and you would see how much they would vary in their views being positive about you.

That is what you fail to grasp

Hence such tests play on the insecurities of people

There was no faults in the above by the way and in reality. You are acting like someone who believes in God, being told God does not exist....

Didge wrote:Okay I going to have some fun, as just took this silly test and am now going to prove why it is ridiculous and is just another example of the Barnum effect

I am going to send the results to Ben via PM, but want to see what percentage of each specification people think of me. As it will show how and why people view each other.

Anyone up for this?

Mind
Introverted..........
Extroverted.........

Energy
Intuitive.............
Observant..........

Nature
Thinking..........
Feeling............

Tactics
Judging......
Prospecting.......

Identity
Assertive......
Turbulant......

Personality Type.........

Eilzel wrote:

Didge wrote:Okay I going to have some fun, as just took this silly test and am now going to prove why it is ridiculous and is just another example of the Barnum effect

I am going to send the results to Ben via PM, but want to see what percentage of each specification people think of me. As it will show how and why people view each other.

Anyone up for this?

Mind
Introverted..........
Extroverted.........

Energy
Intuitive.............
Observant..........

Nature
Thinking..........
Feeling............

Tactics
Judging......
Prospecting.......

Identity
Assertive......
Turbulant......

Personality Type.........

Did you agree with your assessment?

And you are aware a bunch of people you never met and only know online can hardly do this for you in any honest way.
I will though, for fun.

Mind: 50/50
Energy: 40/60
Nature: 40/60
Tactics: 65/35
Identity: 40/60

ESFJ-T

Could be way off for all I know, would be interested to know

Eilzel wrote:

Didge wrote:Massive signs of insecurities by people to take an engineered test and then claim reason afterwards

I looked at the questions on that test and doubt anyone answered then with reason but emotionally and dishonestly

The test would be far better by people answering for others to then see how if the answers came out the same

And nobody dont dare say  "its fun", as these tests are not fun, as they fuel insecurities of people and make themselves feell they are something they are not. Psychologically they are poor indicators of the true abilities and emotions of people

Seriously

Does anyone here need to take such a test to know who they are or to big themselves up?

That is very much emotional Eilzel and not using reason is it?

I would like to think that the world needs everyone to have positive emotions, as without this, the world would be in dispair

Love is the greatest emotion and is what drives many people

So lets put this to the test for you

Are your left wing views steered by more emotions than reasons?

I am really going to put you to the test here, because the reality is they will be by 90% emotional

Wanna try?

1) Your doubt is irrelevant. No one has any reason to lie on a test like this. Maybe some do, I don't care.

2) It is fun. I find it fun. There, I dared. Don't be silly. I find it fun. If anyone else doesn't, I don't care, they can not do them.

3) I don't see how these tests allow people to really big themselves up. This one doesn't say anything positive or negative, though gives strengths and weaknesses to whatever outcome you get. For me it doesn't matter. It has zero impact on what I do and how I live my life. I just find it interesting when such tests are so accurate (and for the record, most are miles off, or too scatter shot, like Astrology: sure half of what it says rings true, but half is also utter BS). The MB test is surprisingly accurate, I find that interesting.

4) I didn't say feelings are always irrelevant, I said if the world was governed more by feelings than thinking then we'd have problems.

5) My LW views are very much a product of both feelings and reason. However, to give a solid example of where feelings could fuck the world, if I based my entire view on feelings alone I'd probably be a communist. But because I am able to think beyond that I know that communism will never really work. So I'm a Liberal Socialist.

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

1) Your doubt is irrelevant. No one has any reason to lie on a test like this. Maybe some do, I don't care.

2) It is fun. I find it fun. There, I dared. Don't be silly. I find it fun. If anyone else doesn't, I don't care, they can not do them.

3) I don't see how these tests allow people to really big themselves up. This one doesn't say anything positive or negative, though gives strengths and weaknesses to whatever outcome you get. For me it doesn't matter. It has zero impact on what I do and how I live my life. I just find it interesting when such tests are so accurate (and for the record, most are miles off, or too scatter shot, like Astrology: sure half of what it says rings true, but half is also utter BS). The MB test is surprisingly accurate, I find that interesting.

4) I didn't say feelings are always irrelevant, I said if the world was governed more by feelings than thinking then we'd have problems.

5) My LW views are very much a product of both feelings and reason. However, to give a solid example of where feelings could fuck the world, if I based my entire view on feelings alone I'd probably be a communist. But because I am able to think beyond that I know that communism will never really work. So I'm a Liberal Socialist.

Didge's comments on this thread are simply more evidence of his oft self-proclaimed "intellectual superiority" over everybody else around here.

Personally, I'm more inclined to give that claim about as much credence as Tommy's definition of 'common sense', or Stormee's notions of white male superiority..

Why do people need validation to things they already know about themselves and the positives attributes that they have?

One word for that

Insecurities

eddie wrote:

Why do people need validation to things they already know about themselves and the positives attributes that they have?

One word for that

Insecurities

Yes, insecurities maybe but mostly because they can then make themselves a little box and label it “INP BOLLOCKS” and sit within it safely, using it for the rest of their lives as an excuse not to ever have to grow or bother to learn anything more about themselves.


“Oh I can’t do that because I’m a EFPA WANKER...a test told me so”


Anyhoo....
A test told me I was just like bugs bunny. So I am going to eat more carrots.

Back later...that’s all folks!

nicko wrote:These "Tests"   are about as useful as an chocolate Fireguard !

Didge wrote:And i will say this again

Why do people need validation to things they already know about themselves and the positives attributes that they have?

One word for that

Insecurities

When you look at this psychologically its is in no way fun, because those very same people are then unable to look at themselves critically

They need a website to then make themselves feel good about themselves. Hence its never a true reflection of themselves

Hence the problem of social media

I can point out 3 things about Eilzel and why I look up to him, which does not take a webpage or psychobabble to do and in no way offered up a true reflection of his character.

1) He is essentially kind and more tolerant than many people i KNOW. He may not claim to be when in reality he is

2) He is most definately loving and has overcome many hurdles to be able to embrace the love he now has. That takes guts and the will to overcome anything thrown in front of him. He has strong determination

3) He will never bow down to hate. He may feel at times to want to hate, but the better side of him is always in control

Hence the emotions that Eilzel has are finely balanced with reason

I did not need some dumb test, using the Barnum effect, to understand this about him

Its why I have alwaqys respected him and know he will not take offense when I take the piss out of him

People see things that are positives as negatives. I show how in fact they are most of the time positives

People should be inspired by who they are, not what some webpage collectivelly make a claim on people.

Because such sites, never turely understand the individual

Syl wrote:

Didge wrote:And i will say this again

Why do people need validation to things they already know about themselves and the positives attributes that they have?

One word for that

Insecurities

When you look at this psychologically its is in no way fun, because those very same people are then unable to look at themselves critically

They need a website to then make themselves feel good about themselves. Hence its never a true reflection of themselves

Hence the problem of social media

I can point out 3 things about Eilzel and why I look up to him, which does not take a webpage or psychobabble to do and in no way offered up a true reflection of his character.

1) He is essentially kind and more tolerant than many people i KNOW. He may not claim to be when in reality he is

2) He is most definately loving and has overcome many hurdles to be able to embrace the love he now has. That takes guts and the will to overcome anything thrown in front of him. He has strong determination

3) He will never bow down to hate. He may feel at times to want to hate, but the better side of him is always in control

Hence the emotions that Eilzel has are finely balanced with reason

I did not need some dumb test, using the Barnum effect, to understand this about him

Its why I have alwaqys respected him and know he will not take offense when I take the piss out of him

People see things that are positives as negatives. I show how in fact they are most of the time positives

People should be inspired by who they are, not what some webpage collectivelly make a claim on people.

Because such sites, never turely understand the individual

You dont half contradict yourself a lot Didge.
Not long ago you were arguing with me that none of us could possibly know anything about our fellow posters just by posting alongside them....yet you seem to be able to analyse Eilzel very well.

Didge wrote:

Syl wrote:

You dont half contradict yourself a lot Didge.
Not long ago you were arguing with me that none of us could possibly know anything about our fellow posters just by posting alongside them....yet you seem to be able to analyse Eilzel very well.

Where did i say i know everything about Eilzel?

So where is the contradiction?

I said all i need to know about him, as a person

Didge wrote:And by the way Syl, I am cursed

I have an unbelievable habbit of understanding people, espcially women

As when I tell them things about themselves, they generally  cry and hug me.

Hence its a curse, as i am only trying to be positive for them

It helps them though

So I do understand people very well, but would pefer to first of all to understand myself

Syl wrote:

Didge wrote:

Where did i say i know everything about Eilzel?

So where is the contradiction?

I said all i need to know about him, as a person

What you have done is prove I was right when you continuously contradicted me and told me (and Eddie I think) that we were wrong.
I maintained that when we post alongside someone we get to know what sort of person they are, simply by the way they post and relate to others...you said that was rubbish.

Glad you have come to your senses.

Didge wrote:

Syl wrote:

What you have done is prove I was right when you continuously contradicted me and told me (and Eddie I think) that we were wrong.
I maintained that when we post alongside someone we get to know what sort of person they are, simply by the way they post and relate to others...you said that was rubbish.

Glad you have come to your senses.

How am I wrong on that?

Seriously

I understand people well, because i studied psychology

I still stand by my view on this

I think you feel that you know people well, and you certainly care more than most people here, but I do not think you do know them

That is my view

You can disagree with m,e all you like Syl, but as much as much as you and Eddie are caring, I do not think you truely understand people on face values

Syl wrote:

Didge wrote:

How am I wrong on that?

Seriously

I understand people well, because i studied psychology

I still stand by my view on this

I think you feel that you know people well, and you certainly care more than most people here, but I do not think you do know them

That is my view

You can disagree with m,e all you like Syl, but as much as much as you and Eddie are caring, I do not think you truely understand people on face values

So are you saying that you can tell what people are like in real life by posting with them on a forum (for eg you seem to think you know how Eilzel ticks) but no one else has the sort of insight you are blessed with?

Didge wrote:

Syl wrote:

So are you saying that you can tell what people are like in real life by posting with them on a forum (for eg you seem to think you know how Eilzel ticks) but no one else has the sort of insight you are blessed with?

Sadly yes

Like i say

I am cursed

Syl wrote:

Didge wrote:

Sadly yes

Like i say

I am cursed

...with self importance.

Didge wrote:

Syl wrote:

...with self importance.

Actually with no self importance

When you are in my shoes you may then understand Syl

My friends and family always come first

They always have

Syl wrote:

Didge wrote:

Actually with no self importance

When you are in my shoes you may then understand Syl

My friends and family always come first

They always have

That has nothing to do with what we are talking about here though has it?

Self importance as in believing you have an insight that no one else on this forum has.

Didge wrote:

Syl wrote:

That has nothing to do with what we are talking about here though has it?

Self importance as in believing you have an insight that no one else on this forum has.

Its not a belief

Its reality Syl

Seriously

Syl wrote:

Didge wrote:

Its not a belief

Its reality Syl

Seriously

I would say the reality is that many posters, if they actually listen to others, get a feel, especially over time of what another persons real character is.
I am not special, but I know whether a person is generally  happy or sad with life, quick tempered, slow to annoy, kind, selfish....lots of clues in  a persons posting style and the way they relate to others.

If I know this so do others.....you are no more intuitive than many others on here Didge.

eddie wrote:I have great intuition. I’m not going to defend myself and explain myself either.

Didge wrote:

eddie wrote:I have great intuition. I’m not going to defend myself and explain myself either.

Good for you Eddie and i believe that you do

Others on here, though are clueless

Can you guess what they call me at work?

eddie wrote:

Didge wrote:

Good for you Eddie and i believe that you do

Others on here, though are clueless

Can you guess what they call me at work?

Psychic Sally?

No idea. I get called Mystic Meg a lot.

eddie wrote:Didge, honey, I don’t watch Star Wars. Just bloody tell me or don’t!

eddie wrote:

Why do people need validation to things they already know about themselves and the positives attributes that they have?

One word for that

Insecurities

Yes, insecurities maybe but mostly because they can then make themselves a little box and label it “INP BOLLOCKS” and sit within it safely, using it for the rest of their lives as an excuse not to ever have to grow or bother to learn anything more about themselves.


“Oh I can’t do that because I’m a EFPA WANKER...a test told me so”


Anyhoo....
A test told me I was just like bugs bunny. So I am going to eat more carrots.

Back later...that’s all folks!

Didge wrote:

eddie wrote:Didge, honey, I don’t watch Star Wars. Just bloody tell me or don’t!

Well you are not going to understand the name then



What is with the demanding?

Eilzel wrote:

eddie wrote:

Why do people need validation to things they already know about themselves and the positives attributes that they have?

One word for that

Insecurities

Yes, insecurities maybe but mostly because they can then make themselves a little box and label it “INP BOLLOCKS” and sit within it safely, using it for the rest of their lives as an excuse not to ever have to grow or bother to learn anything more about themselves.


“Oh I can’t do that because I’m a EFPA WANKER...a test told me so”


Anyhoo....
A test told me I was just like bugs bunny. So I am going to eat more carrots.

Back later...that’s all folks!

Is Astrology bollocks too?

eddie wrote:

Didge wrote:

Well you are not going to understand the name then



What is with the demanding?

Hahahahaha I was feeling all bossy, like.

eddie wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

eddie wrote:

Why do people need validation to things they already know about themselves and the positives attributes that they have?

One word for that

Insecurities

Yes, insecurities maybe but mostly because they can then make themselves a little box and label it “INP BOLLOCKS” and sit within it safely, using it for the rest of their lives as an excuse not to ever have to grow or bother to learn anything more about themselves.


“Oh I can’t do that because I’m a EFPA WANKER...a test told me so”


Anyhoo....
A test told me I was just like bugs bunny. So I am going to eat more carrots.

Back later...that’s all folks!

Is Astrology bollocks too?

I’m not sure Les. I have this thing that even when I kinda believe in something I still question it.

Really. It drive me insane. I am nearly always split in two regarding my thoughts on most things.  

Didge wrote:

eddie wrote:

Didge wrote:

Well you are not going to understand the name then



What is with the demanding?

Hahahahaha I was feeling all bossy, like.

Why do I have this sound in my head

Poor Ben.....

Eilzel wrote:

eddie wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

eddie wrote:

Why do people need validation to things they already know about themselves and the positives attributes that they have?

One word for that

Insecurities

Yes, insecurities maybe but mostly because they can then make themselves a little box and label it “INP BOLLOCKS” and sit within it safely, using it for the rest of their lives as an excuse not to ever have to grow or bother to learn anything more about themselves.


“Oh I can’t do that because I’m a EFPA WANKER...a test told me so”


Anyhoo....
A test told me I was just like bugs bunny. So I am going to eat more carrots.

Back later...that’s all folks!

Is Astrology bollocks too?

I’m not sure Les. I have this thing that even when I kinda believe in something I still question it.

Really. It drive me insane. I am nearly always split in two regarding my thoughts on most things.  

And yet you do tend to think Libyas and Leos act a certain way based on them. And they are used like labels far more often than the MB assessments.

No one says the MB personality test is infallible or something to base life decisions on, it is just interesting for the insights it offers.

Give it a go, see what you think. No harm no foul. Only takes 5 mins

eddie wrote:

Didge wrote:

Why do I have this sound in my head

Poor Ben.....

Hahahahahahahaha he is rather, erm, bossy himself...he keeps the whip.  

Mostly.

eddie wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

eddie wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

eddie wrote:

Why do people need validation to things they already know about themselves and the positives attributes that they have?

One word for that

Insecurities

Yes, insecurities maybe but mostly because they can then make themselves a little box and label it “INP BOLLOCKS” and sit within it safely, using it for the rest of their lives as an excuse not to ever have to grow or bother to learn anything more about themselves.


“Oh I can’t do that because I’m a EFPA WANKER...a test told me so”


Anyhoo....
A test told me I was just like bugs bunny. So I am going to eat more carrots.

Back later...that’s all folks!

Is Astrology bollocks too?

I’m not sure Les. I have this thing that even when I kinda believe in something I still question it.

Really. It drive me insane. I am nearly always split in two regarding my thoughts on most things.  

And yet you do tend to think Libyas and Leos act a certain way based on them. And they are used like labels far more often than the MB assessments.

No one says the MB personality test is infallible or something to base life decisions on, it is just interesting for the insights it offers.

Give it a go, see what you think. No harm no foul. Only takes 5 mins

I already did it, a while ago. I find questions hard to answer because it depends upon my mood and the questions are normally so wank on those things.

Honestly Les, I’m a million different people from one day to the next as that band (who was that?) said.

I know I was extrovert something.

Perhaps I will do it and let  you know.  See if you agree with its assessment of me.

eddie wrote:Hahahahahahaa.

In all seriousness, I’m not totally into the dominatrix stuff.


And I certainly do not dress up as a cave woman! I have class!

Didge wrote:

eddie wrote:I have great intuition. I’m not going to defend myself and explain myself either.

Good for you Eddie and i believe that you do

Others on here, though are clueless

Can you guess what they call me at work?

Didge wrote:Can you guess what they call me at work?