Social workers remove child from home because his mother failed to buy him an ice cream.

Syl wrote:In the US they remove a child from its home and parents because of it's race...seriously?

And in GB no one has any reason to remove a child from its mother because she doesn't give in to his whims.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:In the US they remove a child from its home and parents because of it's race...seriously?

And in GB no one has any reason to remove a child from its mother because she doesn't give in to his whims.

In the US it doesn't have to do with mother and child.  The Republican administration does not want any more Hispanics in the country because they are already the 2nd largest population and growing, and they always vote for the Democrats.

To punish them, the Immigration & Customs  Enforcement (ICE) remove and send their children to Ohio or West Virginia, while holding their mothers in Texas.  They are put up for placement in foster homes.  As mentioned, they have lost some 1,500 children.

Tommy Monk wrote:2nd largest population...?


But only 1500 cases...?


Erm... that would strongly suggest that Quill is talking shite yet again... and there were other serious child welfare/safety reasons for the children to be taken into care...!!!


Quill is just posting bullshit...!!!

Snopes wrote:Did the U.S. Government Lose Track of 1,475 Migrant Children?

An official from Health and Human Services reported to a Senate subcommittee that 1,475 unaccompanied migrant children are unaccounted for.

The U.S. government lost track of some 1,475 immigrant children who were placed in sponsor homes.

On 26 April 2018, the New York Times and the Associated Press both reported that the U.S. government had lost track of nearly 1,500 migrant children it had placed into the homes of caregivers. The alarming nature of the headlines prompted many readers to question the veracity of the reports, but they are apparently true.

The Times and AP reports were based on statements made by Steven Wagner, acting assistant secretary of Administration for Children and Families for the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) on 26 April 2018 at a Senate Homeland Security subcommittee oversight hearing, statements which can be viewed in full here. According to that transcript, Wagner told senators:

From October to December 2017, ORR [Office of Refugee Resettlement] attempted to reach 7,635 UAC [unaccompanied alien children] and their sponsors. Of this number, ORR reached and received agreement to participate in the safety and well-being call from approximately 86 percent of sponsors. From these calls, ORR learned that 6,075 UAC remained with their sponsors. Twenty-eight UAC had run away, five had been removed from the United States, and 52 had relocated to live with a non-sponsor. ORR was unable to determine with certainty the whereabouts of 1,475 UAC.

We note that this passage means that ORR made some effort to ascertain the status of children placed with sponsors and were unable to determine where some 1,475 of those children were, because those sponsors were unreachable by telephone or didn’t respond. This doesn’t mean those children are “missing” in the sense of being outside the home, control, or care of their guardians, but rather that the ORR couldn’t verify their exact whereabouts at the moment.

We reached out to HHS and were told by a spokesman that when children cross into the U.S. alone, their custody is transferred from the Department of Homeland Security, which oversees immigration enforcement, to HHS’s Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR). Children are then released to a sponsor in the U.S. who is selected and approved by ORR. These sponsors undergo background checks, and although the majority of such sponsors (85%) are parents or immediate family members, HHS told us, the remainder are typically more distant relatives or non-relatives whom the children had some previous relationship with:

When a UAC is placed with a sponsor, he or she ceases to be in the custody of the U.S. government and all HHS-provided subsistence — food, shelter, clothing, healthcare and education — ends at that point and the child becomes the responsibility of his or her parent, guardian or sponsor.

Responses to questions about the whereabouts of children from whom the HHS had distanced themselves once those children were placed with sponsors drew backlash from lawmakers at the 26 April oversight hearing.

Senator Heidi Heitkamp, a Democrat from North Dakota, lambasted Wagner for failing to keep tabs on the unaccompanied children:

You are the worst foster parents in the world. You don’t even know where they are. And we’re failing. I don’t think there’s any doubt about it. And when we fail for kids, it makes me angry. Where are these kids? Why don’t we know where they are, and how come after months of investigation by this committee, we don’t seem to be getting any better answers, Mr. Wagner?

The outcry over the fact that the federal government had lost track of hundreds of vulnerable children was compounded by outrage over news that immigration authorities were making good on new Trump administration directives to prosecute parents caught making unauthorized border crossings with their children, and in so doing separate the kids from their parents. The New York Times noted in April 2018 that 700 children, over 100 of them younger than four years old, had been taken from their parents at the border since October 2017.

Social media users widely shared an Arizona Daily Star report describing the wrenching scene at a court hearing in which a distraught mother who had been separated from her sons, aged 8 and 11 years, was given no information on when they might be reunited:

Alma Jacinto covered her eyes with her hands as tears streamed down her cheeks.

The 36-year-old from Guatemala was led out of the federal courtroom without an answer to the question that brought her to tears: When would she see her boys again?

Jacinto wore a yellow bracelet on her left wrist, which defense lawyers said identifies parents who are arrested with their children and prosecuted in Operation Streamline, a fast-track program for illegal border crossers.

Moments earlier, her public defender asked the magistrate judge when Jacinto would be reunited with her sons, ages 8 and 11. There was no clear answer for Jacinto, who was sentenced to time served on an illegal-entry charge after crossing the border with her sons near Lukeville on May 14.

Senator Heitkamp slammed both HHS and the new policy in a statement her office sent to us:

The more we learn about childhood trauma, the clearer it becomes that the negative consequences of trauma can reverberate for a lifetime. There’s nothing more traumatic for a child than being separated from their parents, so we have to approach this challenge in a compassionate and humanitarian way. There’s nothing compassionate about losing track of over 1,500 children – that’s negligence, and it’s an outrage. I will continue to push to hold HHS accountable for its failure to keep track of the children in its care, and ensure that proper procedures are in place to compassionately care for kids who are facing unimaginable stress and trauma.

HHS has failed to prove that they have the resources, processes, or frankly the desire to truly handle this situation. As I have said, they have proven to be the worst foster care system I’ve seen – and yet even more children are expected be forced into a clearly broken system. This is not how we should treat children, regardless of what country they come from. We have a moral and humanitarian duty to protect and care for these children properly while they are under federal supervision and in this country – regardless of circumstances.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/1475-immigrant-children-missing/

Tommy Monk wrote:

Conflated waffle...!

And you think posting something from the "snopes" waffle factory, is credible backup for your earlier claim...!!!???

Dear oh dear...!

The New York Times wrote:Federal Agencies Lost Track of Nearly 1,500 Migrant Children Placed With Sponsors

By Ron Nixon
April 26, 2018

WASHINGTON — A top official with the Department of Health and Human Services told members of Congress on Thursday that the agency had lost track of nearly 1,500 migrant children it placed with sponsors in the United States, raising concerns they could end up in the hands of human traffickers or be used as laborers by people posing as relatives.

The official, Steven Wagner, the acting assistant secretary of the agency’s Administration for Children and Families, disclosed during testimony before a Senate homeland security subcommittee that the agency had learned of the missing children after placing calls to the people who took responsibility for them when they were released from government custody.

The children were taken into government care after they showed up alone at the Southwest border. Most of the children are from Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala, and were fleeing drug cartels, gang violence and domestic abuse, government data shows.

CNN News wrote:US lost track of 1,500 immigrant children, but says it's not 'legally responsible'

By Dakin Andone, CNN
Mon May 28, 2018

(CNN)The federal government has placed thousands of unaccompanied immigrant children in the homes of sponsors, but last year it couldn't account for nearly 1,500 of them.

New DHS policy could separate families caught crossing the border illegally

Steven Wagner, a top official with the Department of Health and Human Services, disclosed the number to a Senate subcommittee last month while discussing the state of the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) that oversees the care of unaccompanied immigrant children.

Wagner is the acting assistant secretary for the Administration for Children and Families, which is part of the Department of Health and Human Services. ORR is a program of the Administration for Children and Families.

CNN reported earlier this month that, in his testimony, Wagner said during the last three months of 2017, the ORR lost track of nearly 1,500 immigrant children it had placed in the homes of sponsors.

Wagner's statement has attracted more attention amid reports that immigrant children are being separated from their parents at the US border.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/26/politics/hhs-lost-track-1500-immigrant-children/index.html

MSNBC wrote:Where are the 1,500 immigrant children misplaced by federal agencies?

Donald Trump said immigrant children are ‘not innocent’ when discussing undocumented, unaccompanied minors entering America.

Where are the 1,500 immigrant children misplaced by the federal agencies that apprehended them? Joy Reid and her panel discuss.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news/where-are-the-1500-immigrant-children-misplaced-by-federal-agencies/vp-AAxQvwK

"I wouldn't put it quite that way," Kelly said in the May 11 interview. "The children will be taken care of — put into foster care or whatever. But the big point is they elected to come illegally into the United States and this is a technique that no one hopes will be used extensively or for very long."

Tommy Monk wrote:That's just repeats of the same spurious story...

And none back up your earlier spurious claim...!

Original Quill wrote:

MSNBC wrote:Where are the 1,500 immigrant children misplaced by federal agencies?

Donald Trump said immigrant children are ‘not innocent’ when discussing undocumented, unaccompanied minors entering America.

Where are the 1,500 immigrant children misplaced by the federal agencies that apprehended them? Joy Reid and her panel discuss.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news/where-are-the-1500-immigrant-children-misplaced-by-federal-agencies/vp-AAxQvwK

eddie wrote:Regarding the OP, I really, sincerely, hope that social worker is fired.  She sounds like a person with little emotional intelligence who needed to be right.

eddie wrote:Yeah, not in my house mate. Never would that happen in my house. When my daughter recently asked for something expensive and rather unnecessary, I might add, I told her to get a job.

“But I’m only six!” Says she

I told her that that’s no excuse really and she replied

“Well I would get one, but I think I’m too short for most things...”

eddie wrote:She does do little chores actually, but I don’t pay her. She eats loads! I reckon she should earn her food Hahahaha

She is a pretty smart cookie and sooooo outspoken. Seriously.

Didge wrote:

eddie wrote:She does do little chores actually, but I don’t pay her. She eats loads! I reckon she should earn her food Hahahaha

She is a pretty smart cookie and sooooo outspoken. Seriously.

She is smart, because she watches, and learns from you Eddie

I cannot think of a better compliment to say how well that makes you as a wonderful mother and teacher to her.

She has learnt most of this from you, because you are not afraid to speak your mind and say what you think. 

She will have many people respect her for it, just as you have.

I can see sooooo much of her, in you, just by your stories you tell. As you are the same on here. Bold, outspoken and fearless.

eddie wrote:

Didge wrote:


She is smart, because she watches, and learns from you Eddie

I cannot think of a better compliment to say how well that makes you as a wonderful mother and teacher to her.

She has learnt most of this from you, because you are not afraid to speak your mind and say what you think. 

She will have many people respect her for it, just as you have.

I can see sooooo much of her, in you, just by your stories you tell. As you are the same on here. Bold, outspoken and fearless.

I take that as a compliment and I thank you.
Being bold, outspoken and fearless sometimes scares people away. People can’t always deal with it.

eddie wrote:That post was brilliant. That’s exactly it.
Exactly.

Night didge. Look after yourself and get well x

Huffington Post wrote:Breastfeeding Mother Says Officials Took Her Baby At Immigrant Detention Center

Failing Cheeto-Faced Ferret-Wearing Shit Gibbon has ordered the separation of undocumented families as a “zero-tolerance” border policy.

An undocumented immigrant from Honduras recounted a story of federal agents separating her from her baby as she was breastfeeding, CNN reported Wednesday.

The unnamed woman said she was in an immigrant detention center awaiting prosecution for illegally entering the country when federal authorities took her daughter from her while she was trying to feed her. Attorney Natalia Cornelio, with the Texas Civil Rights Project, told CNN that in her interview with the migrant mother, the woman said she was handcuffed for resisting the separation.

Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced the family separation policy in May as a part of a “zero-tolerance” crackdown on immigration to the United States. Failing Cheeto-Faced Ferret-Wearing Shit Gibbon’s administration is taking children from parents who illegally enter the country, inciting backlash from legal groups and immigration activists.

A federal judge last week refused the administration’s request to dismiss a lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union that seeks to halt the government policy. U.S. District Judge Dana M. Sabraw in San Diego ruled that, if true, Trump’s separation of families “is brutal, offensive, and fails to comport with traditional notions of fair play and decency.”

The Washington Post wrote:Why the Trump administration bears the blame for separating children from their families at the border
By Philip Bump

Cheeto-Faced Ferret-Wearing Shit Gibbon seems to recognize that news reports about children being separated from their parents at the border don’t reflect well on his administration. He has called the separations “horrible” on Twitter and, as recently as Friday morning during an interview with “Fox and Friends,” blamed the political opposition.

“I hate the children being taken away,” he said. “The Democrats have to change their law. That’s their law.”

This has been debunked repeatedly, including by The Washington Post. There is no “Democrats’ law” that necessitates separating children from their parents. As people familiar with the rules regarding the handling of young people at the border made clear in interviews on Friday, the separation policy is a function of decisions made by Trump and his team. What’s more, the administration specifically implemented the policy to serve as a deterrent for those thinking about seeking entry to the United States.

Wendy Young is the president of Kids in Need of Defense, a nonprofit organization that provides immigrant children with pro bono legal support and that has criticized Trump’s immigration policies. Young has worked on immigration issues for 30 years, well before joining KIND, including serving for a period as chief counsel on immigration policy for the Senate Judiciary subcommittee on immigration, border security and refugees.

She walked through the evolution of treatment for children who cross the border without parents accompanying them.

“In the old days, when INS still existed” — that is, Immigration and Naturalization Service — “they filled the functions of both parent, jailer, prosecutor and deporter for these kids, and it was an inherent conflict of interest,” she said. “The kids were generally housed in county jails from which INS rented space, and the total focus was to get these kids out of the country. Very few services were going into the kids.”

In 1997, the government settled a class-action suit brought by unaccompanied minors against INS. That case, Flores v. Reno, established three mandates for the government’s handling of unaccompanied minors. First, that detention should be as brief as possible, with immediate efforts being taken to find a parent, relative or qualified adult with whom the children could live. Second, that children should be treated with dignity and respect that recognized the vulnerabilities that accompany childhood. And, third, that the detention should be in the least restrictive facility possible — a facility less like a jail than a day care.

The terms of that settlement, though, were slow to be implemented given INS’s dual role. When the Department of Homeland Security was created after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, management of unaccompanied minors was transferred to the Department of Health and Human Services’ Office of Refugee Resettlement.

“The idea behind that was the Office of Refugee Resettlement had experience with unaccompanied refugee minors being resettled from overseas,” she said. “So they had some expertise, and they had no interest in the outcome of the child’s immigration case.”

In 2013, the Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act added additional services for immigrant children including appointment of a child advocate.

“Never, ever, ever a perfect system,” Young said, “but certainly a trajectory in right way over past 15 years or so.”

Children who seek entry while accompanied by a parent have traditionally been routed through the same process as an adult arriving alone, since the idea is that the adult they are with can help guide them through the process.

When we spoke to Young in May, though, she noted that the Trump administration policy was effectively creating unaccompanied minors by separating arriving children from their parents.

But: Why?

Hiroshi Motomura, Susan Westerberg Prager Professor of Law at the University of California at Los Angeles, explained by phone that those separations stem from a change in the treatment of the adults.

“The key shift here is to go to criminal prosecution of the parents that are caught, combined with the practice of not releasing them,” Motomura said. “So if they release them on bond of something like this, that would not require the separation.”

Trump has repeatedly railed against what he calls “catch-and-release,” allowing immigrants to leave detention on bond.

“You catch, you take their name, and you release. Great. Wonderful,” Trump said at a rally in Tennessee last month. “Then they are supposed to show up to a court. There’s only one problem: They never show up. So we’re working on it.”

That’s not true. A study from Syracuse University’s TRAC found that more than 80 percent of those granted bond for the first 10 months of 2016 returned for their hearings.

For a family, being released on bond allows parents and children to stay together. If no bond is granted, the child is separated from a parent because the parent goes into criminal detention. Because Flores means that children can’t be detained in such facilities, the Trump administration has argued that Flores necessitates that children and parents be separated.

Flores “doesn’t come close to saying what the administration says it says,” Motomura said. There have always been some criminal prosecutions for people who are crossing the border illegally, he added. “I just never heard that this resulted in a blanket policy of family separation in this way.”

“The reality is, even though theoretically they have the authority to do that, through the immigration laws, to prosecute the parent, in the past that was truly the exception to the rule,” Young said. “The administration stating that they’re required to do this law flies in the face of a long-standing history of treating families like families and recognizing that the children, whether attached to a family or arriving unaccompanied, have particular vulnerabilities that need to be addressed.”

Motomura also noted that key administration officials have themselves argued that the separation policy is meant to be a deterrent. That is, by mandating that children be taken away from parents upon arriving at the border, the hope is that fewer parents will even try to enter the United States. (So far, there doesn’t appear to be a deterrent effect.)

Some of those who would have sought asylum in the United States may have had valid claims, “but now we’ll never know because of the policy of deterrence,” he said. “People are fleeing dire conditions, and they have to make extremely hard choices about how they’re going to survive. Some of the calculations that one might make about what might deter people in an office building in D.C. are not necessarily going to translate to people’s behavior who feel that they’re in dire straits.”

Neither Young nor Motomura indicated that policies advanced by Democratic lawmakers played a role in the new administration policy.

Young blamed the administration directly.

“They are imploding the system themselves,” she said. “It doesn’t have to happen.”

eddie wrote:Regarding the OP, I really, sincerely, hope that social worker is fired.  She sounds like a person with little emotional intelligence who needed to be right.

Didge wrote:

eddie wrote:That post was brilliant. That’s exactly it.
Exactly.

Night didge. Look after yourself and get well x

Thanks Eddie and thanks again for your support.

x

Syl wrote:

Didge wrote:


Thanks Eddie and thanks again for your support.

x

I'm sorry you haven't been well Didge, whatever the problem is, get well soon. x

Syl wrote:The parents should have been charged with A...wasting police time,
and B allowing an 11 year old to watch Love Island in the first place.

Didge wrote:

Syl wrote:

I'm sorry you haven't been well Didge, whatever the problem is, get well soon. x

No need to be sorry Syl, but do appreciate your kind words

I have had sugery, to remove a threat and it has been difficult, but miniscule to what others go through daily.

Thank you though.

All the best 

x

Didge wrote:

Syl wrote:The parents should have been charged with A...wasting police time,
and B allowing an 11 year old to watch Love Island in the first place.

Why the parents Syl?

It was the social workers, that caused this idocy.

Syl wrote:

Didge wrote:


No need to be sorry Syl, but do appreciate your kind words

I have had sugery, to remove a threat and it has been difficult, but miniscule to what others go through daily.

Thank you though.

All the best 

x

Having any sort of surgery isn't fun at the best of times, so look after yourself Didge, and get back to your funny, feisty, (sometimes irritating) best very soon.  

Syl wrote:

Didge wrote:


Why the parents Syl?

It was the social workers, that caused this idocy.

Sorry, I should have started a different thread really.
I had introduced another case in the news, where parents made an emergency 999 call to the police because their daughter kicked off after they stopped her watching a TV programme.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/15/love-island-row-leads-999-call-girl-11-kicks-stoppedfrom-watching/

Didge wrote:

Syl wrote:

Sorry, I should have started a different thread really.
I had introduced another case in the news, where parents made an emergency 999 call to the police because their daughter kicked off after they stopped her watching a TV programme.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/15/love-island-row-leads-999-call-girl-11-kicks-stoppedfrom-watching/

If she did threaten violence and then acted violently, I do not blame the parents for calling the police.

Not all people are strong and able to control out of control children, but the parents are part to balme here for allowing the child to even watch such reality TV. As she is 11 years old. It seems to me the child is ruling the parents here

Syl wrote:

Didge wrote:


If she did threaten violence and then acted violently, I do not blame the parents for calling the police.

Not all people are strong and able to control out of control children, but the parents are part to balme here for allowing the child to even watch such reality TV. As she is 11 years old. It seems to me the child is ruling the parents here

An 11 year old kid who threatens her own parents with violence has been allowed to get that way by useless parenting imo.
That behaviour doesn't just happen overnight, it must build up, probably for many years of having little or no discipline from her parents.

Didge wrote:

Syl wrote:

An 11 year old kid who threatens her own parents with violence has been allowed to get that way by useless parenting imo.
That behaviour doesn't just happen overnight, it must build up, probably for many years of having little or no discipline from her parents.

Its very easy to think that Syl. As some kids, no matter any disicpline, can not be swayed by this. Why do I know, because, I was taken to task many times and kicked the crap out of when out of line and yet still did not care if i was. Its more about love and effection. I was playing up because i was part of a massive family and striving for attention when young and hence played up. Hence to me, a beating was attention.

My parents were not useless, it was more me being the problem. It hardened me to stand up for my next older brother who was bullied at school, 2 years older than me. I would fight his battles and be fearless. Got beaten up a few times for this, but saved him a beating doing so. So it may not be parenting in some cases. It can clearly be many factors.

Syl wrote:

Didge wrote:


Its very easy to think that Syl. As some kids, no matter any disicpline, can not be swayed by this. Why do I know, because, I was taken to task many times and kicked the crap out of when out of line and yet still did not care if i was. Its more about love and effection. I was playing up because i was part of a massive family and striving for attention when young and hence played up. Hence to me, a beating was attention.

My parents were not useless, it was more me being the problem. It hardened me to stand up for my next older brother who was bullied at school, 2 years older than me. I would fight his battles and be fearless. Got beaten up a few times for this, but saved him a beating doing so. So it may not be parenting in some cases. It can clearly be many factors.

Our own life experiences always sway the way we see things don't they.

I'm sure your parents did the best they could, it couldn't have been easy having such a large family, but they coped without involving the police didn't they?...the 999 number is for emergencies, and an 11 year old brat having a tantrum is not such an emergency, someone could be lying dying in a gutter whilst the police are wasting time sorting the brat out.

I have my own experience of growing up with a brat, my sister went off the rails at home when my dad walked out, I saw myself how she tried to rule the roost at home with violence, towards me and on occasion our mum, so I'm not looking at things with closed eyes....some kids are horrors.

Syl wrote:The violence you witnessed as a youngster obviously had an effect on the way you handled things Didge...as we say, give me the child till he is seven etc.

My sister.....she was only very young when my dad decided married life with children wasn't for him, I was only five, she was seven.
I never saw him again, my sister only once, and he didn't recognise her....but she was an adult then.

Do I think  him leaving had a bearing on the way she acted, possibly, it always affects children when a parent leaves, but she was horrible to my mum, who was a brilliantly devoted, loving parent, and I can never forgive her for that.

Incidentally, she didn't even go to mums funeral, in her words she "didn't see the point"......that gives an indication of the sort of person she is.

Didge wrote:And before you ask Syl.

Yes its hard to forgive those being horrible, but she is your family.

I doubt you took time to understand how it effected your sis

It clearly did and why only after she acted out

You were not to know, but you should have been there for each other. Instead, it seems you blamed each other. When your dad was the cock. Its allowed you to lose your sister. If i was you, I would do anything to rebuild that relationship with her.