Is It OK to Stage-Assassinate Katie Hopkins?

by Guest Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:56 pm

A musical imagining the politically motivated murder of Katie Hopkins, a British right-wing polemicist, examines how we deal with free speech and violence in the social media era.

MOLD, Wales—Though the playwright doth protest, there is an unmistakable glee that permeates a new musical stage production featuring the brutal murder of right-wing controversialist Katie Hopkins.

If you are not familiar with her work, Hopkins is a British iteration of Ann Coulter who started out as a brash contestant on the U.K.’s non-celebrity version of The Apprentice, hosted by Alan (Lord) Sugar.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/is-it-ok-to-stage-assassinate-katie-hopkins?ref=home

by Andy Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:05 pm

" of right-wing controversialist Katie Hopkins"

Should read, "Islamaphobic, racist, extreme far right wing controversial Katie Hopkins".

And those that would mourn her passing will almost certainly be in a minority.

by Syl Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:52 pm

Its wrong to encourage people to want somebody dead, no matter how awful they are.
There are so many nutters about, someone could watch this and it give them ideas.

by Vintage Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:43 pm

Of course its wrong. We can already see people with extreme views, who prefer to be called left wing applauding such an awful idea. The woman has already had death threats because she dares to say what a lot of people think but dare not say due to the avalanche of abuse from the 'emperor's new clothes' brigade, who won't allow a different view from the party line. Before long no one will have a view other than the official one or if they dare to it'll be the re education centre for them.

by magica Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:55 pm

It's well wrong. To do a play on her murder is disgusting. Yes a nutter could copy, but that apart, its just not right.

by Andy Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:15 pm

Vintage wrote:Of course its wrong. We can already see people with extreme views, who prefer to be called left wing applauding such an awful idea. The woman has already had death threats because she dares to say what a lot of people think but dare not say due to the avalanche of abuse from the 'emperor's new clothes' brigade, who won't allow a different view from the party line. Before long no one will have a view other than the official one or if they dare to it'll be the re education centre for them.

Wasn't it Hopkins who called migrants cockroaches and called for gunships to turn the machine guns on them.
And laughed at the drowned kid washed up on the beach.
And Vintage cannot produce any evidence of left leaning people laughing at the play.
She received death threats through her own stupidity.
And she keeps losing libel cases.

by Raggamuffin Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:19 pm

Angry Andy wrote:
Vintage wrote:Of course its wrong. We can already see people with extreme views, who prefer to be called left wing applauding such an awful idea. The woman has already had death threats because she dares to say what a lot of people think but dare not say due to the avalanche of abuse from the 'emperor's new clothes' brigade, who won't allow a different view from the party line. Before long no one will have a view other than the official one or if they dare to it'll be the re education centre for them.

Wasn't it Hopkins who called migrants cockroaches and called for gunships to turn the machine guns on them.
And laughed at the drowned kid washed up on the beach.
And Vintage cannot produce any evidence of left leaning people laughing at the play.
She received death threats through her own stupidity.
And she keeps losing libel cases.

She didn't laugh at the drowned kid actually.

by Andy Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:27 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Angry Andy wrote:

Wasn't it Hopkins who called migrants cockroaches and called for gunships to turn the machine guns on them.
And laughed at the drowned kid washed up on the beach.
And Vintage cannot produce any evidence of left leaning people laughing at the play.
She received death threats through her own stupidity.
And she keeps losing libel cases.

She didn't laugh at the drowned kid actually.

She certainly shed no tears.

by Raggamuffin Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:29 pm

Angry Andy wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

She didn't laugh at the drowned kid actually.

She certainly shed no tears.

That's not the same thing as laughing is it? Did she actually say anything?

by Andy Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:29 pm

Actually, she did.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/katie-hopkins-posts-sick-tweet-8752958

It was the POLICE FORCE who said that she joked about it.

by Raggamuffin Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:30 pm

Angry Andy wrote:Actually, she did.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/katie-hopkins-posts-sick-tweet-8752958

She criticised the father, so what?

by Andy Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:37 pm

Are you defending her?
She is so sick she has bankrupted herself over her countless libels, has been sacked from every media job she has had and is now unemployable.

Clearly a great role model for far right wingers.

by Raggamuffin Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:45 pm

Angry Andy wrote:Are you defending her?
She is so sick she has bankrupted herself over her countless libels, has been sacked from every media job she has had and is now unemployable.

Clearly a great role model for far right wingers.

She had an opinion about the father, and she's entitled to that. It's not very safe to cross the sea in an inflatable boat is it?

by Andy Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:51 pm

You forgot that she told the world it was stage managed and the carcass of the boy was planted on the beach in order to get sympathy.

by Raggamuffin Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:55 pm

Angry Andy wrote:You forgot that she told the world it was stage managed and the carcass of the boy was planted on the beach in order to get sympathy.

Several people said the child had been moved and placed in a different position before he was photographed. Did someone actually take that photo before establishing if the little boy was dead then?

by Andy Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:59 pm

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/katie-hopkins-posts-sick-tweet-8752958

You are trying very hard to defend the indefensible, Rags.
It is becoming at trait of the conservatives.

by Raggamuffin Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:03 pm

Angry Andy wrote:https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/katie-hopkins-posts-sick-tweet-8752958

You are trying very hard to defend the indefensible, Rags.
It is becoming at trait of the conservatives.

As I said, she criticised the father for taking the kid on an inflatable boat. It's a valid point of view.

by Guest Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:22 pm

The playwright Chris Bush explained before opening night that she took “no pleasure in imagining [Hopkins’] death.”

“So, what is The Assassination of Katie Hopkins? A sick, leftist fantasy? An act of professional trolling? A criminal offense?” she wrote in an article for the i newspaper. “I sincerely believe it isn’t any of these things.”

The show sets out to explore 21st century efforts to grapple with social media provocateurs—like Paul Joseph Watson, Kanye West or Coulter—and their equally aggressive detractors. After a fast-paced and inventive start the musical loses its way as it tries to take on too many ideas at once—the second half in particular should be tightened.

Of course, we are not supposed to be cheering along with the coarsest commentary on Hopkins’ death, but Bush fails to fully capture both sides of the debate.

The pro-Hopkins voices tend to be less well drawn, their arguments slight or petty. The one character who does take Hopkins side—a charity worker called Kayleigh who is initially reluctant to defend her—ends up transforming into a dime-store version of her new idol.

While the characters wrestle with months of debate about Hopkins—“Zombie Katie… just won’t die”—a second narrative develops; twelve seasonal migrant workers have died in a fire at a trailer park.

We see their emotional memorial service and meet the grieving fiancée of one of the victims; there is no such glimpse into the mourning Hopkins clan which includes three young children.

While the musical is certainly not arguing that anyone deserves to lose their life, it does toy with the idea that Hopkins deserved it more than most.

by veya_victaous Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:54 am

it's just art Is It OK to Stage-Assassinate Katie Hopkins? 202592697

Alice cooper put a Brittney Spears look alike in a guillotine when i saw him live

by Vintage Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:45 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Angry Andy wrote:You forgot that she told the world it was stage managed and the carcass of the boy was planted on the beach in order to get sympathy.

Several people said the child had been moved and placed in a different position before he was photographed. Did someone actually take that photo before establishing if the little boy was dead then?

That wouldn't suprise me in the slightest. The papers and the tv reporting have done everything they can to spin out the victimhood, not that they give a damn about the actual people caught up in it all. If we listened to all the stuff spouted by reporters everyone on the boats are neurosurgeons, engineers etc. fleeing from imminent death, the Syrians may have been, I doubt the Vietnamese, Chinese, Indian et al were.

by 'Wolfie Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:09 pm

Vintage wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Several people said the child had been moved and placed in a different position before he was photographed. Did someone actually take that photo before establishing if the little boy was dead then?

That wouldn't suprise me in the slightest. The papers and the tv reporting have done everything they can to spin out the victimhood, not that they give a damn about the actual people caught up in it all. If we listened to all the stuff spouted by reporters everyone on the boats are neurosurgeons, engineers etc. fleeing from imminent death, the Syrians may have been, I doubt the Vietnamese, Chinese, Indian et al were.

Vietnamese boat people ???

Got lost on their way down to Brisbane in the 1980s and 90s, and eventually ended up on a Turkish beach somewhere in 2016..

That's one hell of a long, long, long-way-round trip, isn't it !

Maybe they were a bunch of bored teenage Sydney-siders, flew into Lebanon on tourist visas, and then joined an "asylum seekers/economic refugees" group as a lark..

by Vintage Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:15 pm

Apparently there were. Vietnamese even turn up in lorries in Dover.

by eddie Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:17 pm

Jesus people! It’s fiction! Like a film showing imaginary happenings.

I don’t have a problem with any imagined piece of theatre that shows any thing, on any topic, as long as it has a point and is done well.

by Vintage Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:24 pm

eddie wrote:Jesus people! It’s fiction! Like a film showing imaginary happenings.

I don’t have a problem with any imagined piece of theatre that shows any thing, on any topic, as long as it has a point and is done well.

Yes but you are probably reasonably normal and can differentiate between fiction and fact - some people can't.

by Syl Tue May 01, 2018 1:18 pm

Vintage wrote:
eddie wrote:Jesus people! It’s fiction! Like a film showing imaginary happenings.

I don’t have a problem with any imagined piece of theatre that shows any thing, on any topic, as long as it has a point and is done well.

Yes but you are probably reasonably normal and can differentiate between fiction and fact - some people can't.

That's exactly the point.

by Lurker Tue May 01, 2018 2:22 pm

I've never heard of Katie Hopkins before, but she seems to be a type that would be loved by the American Republican Party.

by Andy Tue May 01, 2018 4:42 pm

She is the sort of woman who would spread her legs for Adolf Hitler.
Extreme far right racist, Islamaphobe, hates fat people, red heads, poor people, foreigners, boat people, drowned kids .
In short, right up the street of people like Major, Smelly Bandit and the now banned Allakaka.

by Original Quill Tue May 01, 2018 5:19 pm

Who is Allakaka?

by eddie Tue May 01, 2018 5:50 pm

Syl wrote:
Vintage wrote:
eddie wrote:Jesus people! It’s fiction! Like a film showing imaginary happenings.

I don’t have a problem with any imagined piece of theatre that shows any thing, on any topic, as long as it has a point and is done well.

Yes but you are probably reasonably normal and can differentiate between fiction and fact - some people can't.
That's exactly the point.

Should they stop making films about certain topics then, in case someone copies the film?

by Syl Tue May 01, 2018 5:52 pm

eddie wrote:
Syl wrote:
That's exactly the point.

Should they stop making films about certain topics then, in case someone copies the film?

No, but I cant remember a film portraying and celebrating the murder of anyone who was still alive can you?

by Andy Tue May 01, 2018 7:12 pm

Original Quill wrote:Who is Allakaka?

A sick racist poster of 779 posts on this very forum.
I believe he was banned from here .
His vile work is still viewable, if you have a strong stomach.
He is so sick he even got himself banned from a far right facist forum.

by Vintage Tue May 01, 2018 7:40 pm

Syl wrote:
eddie wrote:

Should they stop making films about certain topics then, in case someone copies the film?

No, but I cant remember a film portraying and celebrating the murder of anyone who was still alive can you?

Exactly. What kind of person would want to sit through something like that, let alone find it funny. Its rather unhealthy and a sign of the times.

by Vintage Tue May 01, 2018 7:41 pm

Angry Andy wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Who is Allakaka?

A sick racist poster of 779 posts on this very forum.
I believe he was banned from here .
His vile work is still viewable, if you have a strong stomach.
He is so sick he even got himself banned from a far right facist forum.

What far right facist forum would that be?

by eddie Tue May 01, 2018 7:48 pm

Vintage wrote:
Syl wrote:
eddie wrote:

Should they stop making films about certain topics then, in case someone copies the film?

No, but I cant remember a film portraying and celebrating the murder of anyone who was still alive can you?

Exactly. What kind of person would want to sit through something like that, let alone find it funny. Its rather unhealthy and a sign of the times.

So what if it hasn’t beèn done before? I don’t understand how people can watch films about imaginary happenings yet refuse to think about an imaginary happening?
It matters not if someone is alive, you can still imagine a story about them being dead. You may think it’s tasteless, that’s your prerogative, but it doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

I think it’s a novel idea actually, if it’s done very cleverly.

by Andy Tue May 01, 2018 8:22 pm

Vintage wrote:
Angry Andy wrote:

A sick racist poster of 779 posts on this very forum.
I believe he was banned from here .
His vile work is still viewable, if you have a strong stomach.
He is so sick he even got himself banned from a far right facist forum.

What far right facist forum would that be?

You are on a wind up. I will leave that question for Eddie to answer.

by eddie Tue May 01, 2018 8:35 pm

Andy, I don’t post there because I don’t like it any more than you do. I do find it very distastefully RW (though not all members are, I’d like to add) and I found I simply ran out of debate when no one was listening and I didn’t like the the nasty names that were allowed.

Having said that, I wouldn’t join a very LW forum either as I don’t like extremes - where’s the fun in that?

But! There’s no point in keep wittering on about it, I don’t think anyone cares particularly, anymore.

by Andy Tue May 01, 2018 8:59 pm

Weirdly, I am most active on an Anerican paranormal website, inveatigating UFO's, ghosts and cryptozoology.
Which is great fun.

I didnt mean that you posted kn the other forum, I know you dont, but you werd aware of its content.

by eddie Tue May 01, 2018 9:07 pm

Angry Andy wrote:Weirdly, I am most active on an Anerican paranormal website, inveatigating UFO's, ghosts and cryptozoology.
Which is great fun.

I didnt mean that you posted kn the other forum, I know you dont, but you werd aware of its content.

I’m aware of it’s past content, yes. I have no idea what it’s like now though I do know allakaka was banned.
Smelly bandit couldn’t hack it here, of course, and pretended he got “kicked out”. Rolling Eyes

by Ben Reilly Tue May 01, 2018 9:14 pm

eddie wrote:
Angry Andy wrote:Weirdly, I am most active on an Anerican paranormal website, inveatigating UFO's, ghosts and cryptozoology.
Which is great fun.

I didnt mean that you posted kn the other forum, I know you dont, but you werd aware of its content.

I’m aware of it’s past content, yes. I have no idea what it’s like now though I do know allakaka was banned.
Smelly bandit couldn’t hack it here, of course, and pretended he got “kicked out”.

And I can prove he's never been banned to anybody who claims otherwise Twisted Evil

by Andy Tue May 01, 2018 10:02 pm

A quick check of the viewable part of that place shows tumbleweed blowing down the alleyways, and our old mucker Major fighting a solo rearguard against the site owner.
It reminds me of Comical Ali "We have them surrounded!"

Most of us remember the great political debates on what was once a busy, lively left v right forum where we had good banter between Daen, Moley, Drinky Irn, Sassy, KD, Scrat, myself, SM and a whole host of others.
Sadly, it was allowed to degenerate into an anti Muslim hate fear.

by 'Wolfie Wed May 02, 2018 11:00 am

Vintage wrote:
Syl wrote:

No, but I cant remember a film portraying and celebrating the murder of anyone who was still alive can you?

Exactly. What kind of person would want to sit through something like that, let alone find it funny. Its rather unhealthy and a sign of the times.

It has been done before, in fact...

There were a couple of American movies a decade or two ago portraying the fictional killing of terrorist leaders like Osama bin Laden..

by Syl Wed May 02, 2018 12:24 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Vintage wrote:

Exactly. What kind of person would want to sit through something like that, let alone find it funny. Its rather unhealthy and a sign of the times.

It has been done before, in fact...

There were a couple of American movies a decade or two ago portraying the fictional killing of terrorist leaders like Osama bin Laden..

I don't think so, the films made about Bin Ladens killing were after he died not before.

by HoratioTarr Wed May 02, 2018 5:31 pm

eddie wrote:
Angry Andy wrote:Weirdly, I am most active on an Anerican paranormal website, inveatigating UFO's, ghosts and cryptozoology.
Which is great fun.

I didnt mean that you posted kn the other forum, I know you dont, but you werd aware of its content.

I’m aware of it’s past content, yes. I have no idea what it’s like now though I do know allakaka was banned.
Smelly bandit couldn’t hack it here, of course, and pretended he got “kicked out”.

Did he? What a yella belly tosser!

by 'Wolfie Wed May 02, 2018 6:52 pm

Syl wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

It has been done before, in fact...

There were a couple of American movies a decade or two ago portraying the fictional killing of terrorist leaders like Osama bin Laden..

I don't think so, the films made about Bin Ladens killing were after he died not before.

I was referring to movies made five, ten, even twenty years before bin Ladens death; usually comedies or spoofs, with the fictional deaths of enemy leaders as well, such as Castro, Kim, or the Ayatollah, as well as terrorists...

I assume you have never heard of the 'Team America' movie, then ???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_America:_World_Police

There are some fictional assassinations of living real-world leaders in the following paper, as well --

http://www.academia.edu/26347910/Assassination_Films_the_Cinema_of_Killing_the_Worlds_Political_Leaders

by eddie Wed May 02, 2018 8:14 pm

It’s fiction. It’s an imaginary happening. I just don’t see the problem.

Anyway, her huge ego will probably love the attention.

by Syl Thu May 03, 2018 12:43 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Syl wrote:

I don't think so, the films made about Bin Ladens killing were after he died not before.

I was referring to movies made five, ten, even twenty years before bin Ladens death; usually comedies or spoofs, with the fictional deaths of enemy leaders as well, such as Castro, Kim, or the Ayatollah, as well as terrorists...

I assume you have never heard of the 'Team America' movie, then ???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_America:_World_Police

There are some fictional assassinations of living real-world leaders in the following paper, as well --

http://www.academia.edu/26347910/Assassination_Films_the_Cinema_of_Killing_the_Worlds_Political_Leaders

It was you who mentioned Bin Laden, I just pointed out that the first film depicting his death was made a year after he had actually been killed.

by veya_victaous Thu May 03, 2018 12:44 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Syl wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

It has been done before, in fact...

There were a couple of American movies a decade or two ago portraying the fictional killing of terrorist leaders like Osama bin Laden..

I don't think so, the films made about Bin Ladens killing were after he died not before.

I was referring to movies made five, ten, even twenty years before bin Ladens death; usually comedies or spoofs, with the fictional deaths of enemy leaders as well, such as Castro, Kim, or the Ayatollah, as well as terrorists...

I assume you have never heard of the 'Team America' movie, then ???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_America:_World_Police

There are some fictional assassinations of living real-world leaders in the following paper, as well --

http://www.academia.edu/26347910/Assassination_Films_the_Cinema_of_Killing_the_Worlds_Political_Leaders

by JulesV Thu May 03, 2018 9:20 am

Why is KH being given the oxygen of fresh publicity? confused

She has earned a one way ticket to obscurity - do NOT stand in her way!

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