Toyota the latest automaker to flee Australia

I've said it before, and I'll say it once more -- global capitalists don't care about jobs, they don't care about anything except finding their next batch of slave labor to exploit:

(Reuters) - Toyota Motor Corp (7203.T) said on Monday it would stop making cars and engines in Australia by the end of 2017, marking the end of an era for a once-vibrant auto production base and the loss of thousands of direct and indirect jobs.

Toyota's decision follows the planned exits of General Motors (GM.N) and Ford Motor (F.N) announced last year and would leave no global automaker remaining in Australia as high costs and a strong currency make it an unattractive production base.

"We did everything that we could to transform our business, but the reality is that there are too many factors beyond our control that make it unviable to build cars in Australia," Toyota Australia President Max Yasuda said in a statement.

About 2,500 jobs will be affected when the plant stops building cars in 2017, the company said.

Toyota's exit from Australia after more than half a century there is a setback to Prime Minister Tony Abbott's conservative government, which is seeking to manage a slowdown in the $1.5 trillion economy as a decade-long mining investment boom slows.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/10/us-toyota-australia-idUSBREA1906720140210

This was a long time coming.

It is not that bad as we they have been getting taxpayer hand outs to keep them here, Since Holden (GM) and Ford announced they are leaving it was inevitable that Toyota would too, as many of the third party suppliers would go out of business with out all 3 as customers.

Really manufacturing is not something we can compete in as we are too far away, too spread out and too few people with high wages and safety standards.

if they take the money they were using to prop up the car industry and invest it in agriculture/aquaculture which we are competitive in the taxpayer could see a greater return on investment

they are coming to Britain,a spokesman for Toyota said "The British are much better workers than the Australians"

Ben_Reilly wrote:I've said it before, and I'll say it once more -- global capitalists don't care about jobs, they don't care about anything except finding their next batch of slave labor to exploit:

(Reuters) - Toyota Motor Corp (7203.T) said on Monday it would stop making cars and engines in Australia by the end of 2017, marking the end of an era for a once-vibrant auto production base and the loss of thousands of direct and indirect jobs.

Toyota's decision follows the planned exits of General Motors (GM.N) and Ford Motor (F.N) announced last year and would leave no global automaker remaining in Australia as high costs and a strong currency make it an unattractive production base.

"We did everything that we could to transform our business, but the reality is that there are too many factors beyond our control that make it unviable to build cars in Australia," Toyota Australia President Max Yasuda said in a statement.

About 2,500 jobs will be affected when the plant stops building cars in 2017, the company said.

Toyota's exit from Australia after more than half a century there is a setback to Prime Minister Tony Abbott's conservative government, which is seeking to manage a slowdown in the $1.5 trillion economy as a decade-long mining investment boom slows.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/10/us-toyota-australia-idUSBREA1906720140210

dead right, were aver the cheapest slave is thats where they run too..

no comments from our aussie friends, it must be true then.

nicko wrote:
they are coming to Britain, a spokesman for Toyota said "The British are much better workers than the Australians"

 
  IN your (late-night-cheese-snacks-fed..) dreams, Snickos !!!!

Aussie production will be replaced with ramped-up production levels in the existing factories in Japan, Thailand, and the Philippines...
While Aussie facilities will be used for distribution and warehousing, design and development..

There will be NO new overseas facilities replacing the Aussie factory when it ceases production.    

nicko wrote:they are coming to Britain,a spokesman for Toyota said "The British are much better workers than the Australians"

"The British are much better cheaper workers than the Australians"

Fixed

A real blow for many Aussie workers indeed , I only believe in Volvo though  :D 

Joy Division wrote:A real blow for many Aussie workers indeed , I only believe in Volvo though  :D 

No you can't beat Toyota if you want something reliable not showy. I've got a 1998 Corolla that passed it's MoT without me even putting any oil in or doing anything to it; and there are even older Corollas around here!

Tess. wrote:

Joy Division wrote:A real blow for many Aussie workers indeed ,


I only believe in Volvo though  :D 

No you can't beat Toyota if you want something reliable not showy.  I've got a 1998 Corolla that passed it's MoT without me even putting any oil in or doing anything to it; and there are even older Corollas around here!

Ah Tess...Volvo are totally reliable, safe as houses , comfortable etc..good about you corolla flying through its mot without being oiled etc, but volvo are as safe as cars come!!...



Apparently there is a new make of car out now in India,a rival to the Tata, never heard of it before like, it's called Tekcak or something?  

it's called a KNACKER jd

nicko wrote:they are coming to Britain,a spokesman for Toyota said "The British are much better workers than the Australians"

The efficiency of British production facilities outstrips all the European facilities as well. I think Australia is a little like the UK was 30 years ago Industrial relations wise. The Aussies have very aggressive Trade Unions and us and them mentality. The Nissan facility in Sunderland is a showcase.

 

ANY upgrades to Toyota's British facilities will only be to service the domestic and European markets...

NOTHING to do with us down here..

Tess. wrote:

Joy Division wrote:
A real blow for many Aussie workers indeed , I only believe in Volvo though  :D 

No you can't beat Toyota if you want something reliable not showy.  I've got a 1998 Corolla that passed it's MoT without me even putting any oil in or doing anything to it; and there are even older Corollas around here!

 

MY previous car was a Camry.

And it was indeed one of the most reliable cars that I have driven..

Never buy a Toyota Rav,if you want to go off road,totaly useless..

 

Depends on conditions, and the transmission systems...

RAV4s and RAV6s have reportedly been taking a long way during dry conditions..

Klugers, plus a few lower-spec' RAV4s and RAV6s are actually classed as soft-roader "SUVs" with all wheel drive systems ~ rather than full-blown 4WD systems with wider ranges and transfer cases..
Apparently they even sell RAV4s with only front wheel drive in some markets..

ANYBODY who has serious "off roading" to do, and who will only buy a Toyota, will end up buying a Landcruiser/Prado or a HiLux.   ::=|Q::

nicko wrote:they are coming to Britain,a spokesman for Toyota said "The British are much better workers than the Australians"

It's fair enough, we dont hold it against the English We understand you're so broke now that you will work you ass off for very little pay.    

Seamen Staines wrote:

nicko wrote:they are coming to Britain,a spokesman for Toyota said "The British are much better workers than the Australians"

The efficiency of British production facilities outstrips all the European facilities as well. I think Australia is a little like the UK was 30 years ago Industrial relations wise. The Aussies have very aggressive Trade Unions and us and them mentality. The Nissan facility in Sunderland is a showcase.

huh? no its that if you can build a car you can work in a mine, and the Mines pay BIG money.

we have a high minimum wage but most of these workers are on more than minimum wages.

veya_victaous wrote:

nicko wrote:they are coming to Britain,a spokesman for Toyota said "The British are much better workers than the Australians"

It's fair enough, we dont hold it against the English We understand you're so broke now that you will work you ass off for very little pay.    

Really? You don't think its because the Aussies have what they once called the English disease. In the 70s the unions struck every day in the car industry. I see a lot of similarities with those TU leaders and those of today in Aus. Mr Bee seems like he would make a very 70s TU man.

Someone said above the British car production facilities in Sunderland are world beaters they are and he salaries are very good actually. So we have a first world country competing with second and third world countries.

Just a thought.

 

YOU'RE totally talking out of your arse now, Mr. Revisionist !!!

IF you had done your homework you would have discovered that Australian Industries these days actually have some of the lowest strike rates in the Western World !

YOUR utter lies not only expose your true Tory agendas ~ but also shows that you know absolutely ZERO about Australia !  You silly clod..  

Beekeeper wrote: 

YOU'RE totally talking out of your arse now, Mr. Revisionist !!!

IF you had done your homework you would have discovered that Australian Industries these days actually have some of the lowest strike rates in the Western World !

YOUR utter lies not only expose your true Tory agendas ~ but also shows that you know absolutely ZERO about Australia !  You silly clod..  

I think it's Drinky.

:D 

HE'S certainly been sounding increasingly like Drinky over the past few hours...

Probably after he's finished his nightly two nips of Scotch, then the metho'/boot-polish/orange juice cocktails start kicking in..

And he faithfully falls back into his old familiar ways.
 ::drnkpst::

Beekeeper wrote::D 

HE'S certainly been sounding increasingly like Drinky over the past few hours...

Probably after he's finished his nightly two nips of Scotch, then the metho'/boot-polish/orange juice cocktails start kicking in..

And he faithfully falls back into his old familiar ways.
 ::drnkpst::

Then the big banning stick will be wielded   

 

I wonder if Smelly' is racing some of the other Floppettes to see who can get banned on here next !?!

THE way that he's been abusing Ben this week !

  

Beekeeper wrote: 

I wonder if Smelly' is racing some of the other Floppettes to see who  can get banned on here next !?!

THE way that he's been abusing Ben this week !

  

Another RWhinger bites the dust!   

nicko wrote:it's called a KNACKER jd

...a knacker Nicko yeah?

labour revival wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

It's fair enough, we dont hold it against the English We understand you're so broke now that you will work you ass off for very little pay.

Really? You don't think its because the Aussies have what they once called the English disease. In the 70s the unions struck every day in the car industry. I see a lot of similarities with those TU leaders and those of today in Aus. Mr Bee seems like he would make a very 70s TU man.

Someone said above the British car production facilities in Sunderland are world beaters they are and he salaries are very good actually. So we have a first world country competing with second and third world countries.

Just a thought.

No I don’t think so at all, those 3rd world manufacturers are now better than the Americans, Aussie wages are high so naturally someone willing work for literally a 30th of an Aussie wage is cheaper/more profitable to employ. No one has been striking here; the industry has been propped up for over 15 years by taxpayers. It is just not economic to make cars here.

Aussie should not really be in manufacturing we can't succeed in it because of the numbers, there are not enough of us and we are too far apart. BUT that is the very thing that makes us so good at agriculture. You can’t have everything. Aussie are learning to accept our role as Farm/Mine to China and see that were are better of working towards being innovators than manufacturers

And like I said they were getting more then minimum wage and many of the better employees were already headhunted but mining industry for even better wages.

veya_victaous wrote:
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Aussies should not really be in manufacturing - we can't succeed in it because of the numbers, there are not enough of us and we are too far apart. BUT that is the very thing that makes us so good at agriculture. You can’t have everything.  Aussie are learning to accept our role as Farm/Mine to China and see that were are better of working towards being innovators than manufacturers...

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    I DON"T quite necessarily agree with this notion, of losing an entire employment sector !!!

WHILE it is true that small, advanced and (relatively) isolated countries like Oz will always struggle in certain sectors of the  manufacturing industries ~ especially large and export-dependant businesses like car manufacturing, basic clothing, 'consumer goods' and household goods, there are several good reasons why a healthy and thriving manufacturing sector is important to EVERY country on this planet !

These will include :
* Supplying national defence needs ~ especially where conflicts may interrupt or block external supply chains;
* Employment ~ the manufacturing sector is important for supplying jobs ~ over 20% of employment in Oz is in manufacturing areas => less than 10% in mining, forestry, fishing and agriculture combined => the Primary Industry sector will NEVER provide enough jobs ~ no matter how big
it grows !
* Local industries an often help to provide a bit of a "buffer" against overseas/foreign price pressures and interruptions to supply;
* Innovation and quicker adaptability ~ imports can never match local production for specialist and small-scale production; nor can they provide exactly hats need for a lot of local conditions...      

There are also many good reasons why the Agricultural sectorial can never fill the gap :
* Farmers don't want to employ enough permanent workers these days => their main demand these days is for more "part time/casual/flexible/mobile" workforces. NOT so good for the workers !
* Farmers won't pay "good" wages ~ no matter how high the demand for the workers,farm bosses are opposed to decent pay rates and good conditions..
* I've been in the "agricultural sector" for long enough as to realise that while the farm jobs are good for experience, training and education, the best long-term opportunities for 90% of the "workforce" remains in self employment !
* Land and Housing costs in many of those areas that have experienced mining "booms" over the past couple of decades have gone through the roof ==>  meaning that potential farmworkers have been pushed out of many towns that ere traditional reservoirs of agricultural workers..    

DEPENDING on primary industries alone will sentence a country to a narrow, fragile and vulnerable economy with poor employment opportunities, ordinary wages for the greater majority, crap conditions; and even greater threats to our environment and local communities...
   

@bee
We shouldn't be manufacturing for export except in a few speciality goods that we happen to be competitive in. The will always be a local manufacturing for made to measure products consumed locally.

We already depend on primary industries, they support the service industries and the others are making a loss.

If we took the handout we were giving to the car industry and use it to say develop preserved food plants to allow greater export capacity, and launch and aggressive advertising campaign in Asian for Roo Jerky?
It is a lot of money to keep car being bolted together here, As a lot of components were still imported. We could get a better return on investment in other industries.

The supply chian thing is China's problem, they are more dependant on the movement of goods between Australia and China then we are. And only the USA can really stand up to China.