Happy Mothers Day

To all the lovely mums here on Sunday.

Also if your  mum's still here, give her an extra big hug.

I’d nearly forgotten and I’m seeing my mum tomorrow. I bought her a card and told her I’m taking her to lunch.

The last time I tried to take my mum to lunch she told me she wasn’t hungry and she’d eaten too much porridge that morning. So I sent her this text about an hour ago:

Do you want to go out for lunch tomorrow - my treat - for Mother’s Day, or will you have had too much porridge like Goldilocks?

eddie wrote:I’d nearly forgotten and I’m seeing my mum tomorrow. I bought her a card and told her I’m taking her to lunch.

The last time I tried to take my mum to lunch she told me she wasn’t hungry and she’d eaten too much porridge that morning. So I sent her this text about an hour ago:

Do you want to go out for lunch tomorrow - my treat - for Mother’s Day, or will you have had too much porridge like Goldilocks?

How about suprise her.

As that text seems like you being bitter about a previous time

How about making it a day where you are both mothers?

My mum is coming over to visit my sister Lousie's grave, who is buried next to my niece Rebecca

They both had the same rare condition

Why be at odds

One day, she wont be there Eddie and it was bad enough losing your father.

What ever faults we have, its not worth it to be at odds with each other

Mine nor my husbands are still here but we'll be off to the churchyard and cemetery tomorrow with flowers. Both mothers were the typical working class welsh mams, totally in charge and worked like trojans, at home, to give their children the best start they could. Strict when required but loving and telling it like it is.
My brothers and sister got locked out for not coming home on time, I got it a bit easier due to their experience and changing times, I just got a thorough telling off, I never had to sleep in the outdoor toilet . My brother brought his fiance home, she slept in his bedroom, he slept on the sofa, even though they'd lived together for six months, elsewhere, out of respect for my mother. Some people may think that hypocritical, I call it thoughtful.

Vintage wrote:Mine nor my husbands are still here but we'll be off to the churchyard and cemetery tomorrow with flowers. Both mothers were the typical working class welsh mams, totally in charge and worked like trojans, at home, to give their children the best start they could.  Strict when required but loving and telling it like it is.
My brothers and sister got locked out for not coming home on time, I got it a bit easier due to their experience and changing times, I just got a thorough telling off, I never had to sleep in the outdoor toilet . My brother brought his fiance home, she slept in his bedroom, he slept on the sofa, even though they'd lived together for six months, elsewhere, out of respect for my mother. Some people may think that hypocritical, I call it thoughtful.  

I call it bowing down to bad ideals Vintage

They are in love and together, so why is not everyone else respecting their love?

Why respect antiquated views that are based on the dinosaur age?

I mean would you respect the view of a father to marry off a daughter through forced mariage, based on respect?

When people use respect, its based on bullshit.

Its not respect, its being a sheep and many women and men have died based off that bullshit

Didge I always speak to my mum like that, it’s my humour and she’s never been offended or upset by it.
She replied “Love to! Can’t promise about the porridge though x”

We’ve had our hard times but we are a lot better than we used to be.

Not her idea, theirs,she was more tahn happy for them to share the bed, they wanted to respect my mother, no one forced them. These were views my mother was brought up with sheherself lived by but didn't expect it of others, they did it out of love, no one was harmed, no one was forced. In fact we all respected my mother's home - by choice.

eddie wrote:Didge I always speak to my mum like that, it’s my humour and she’s never been offended or upset by it.
She replied “Love to! Can’t promise about the porridge though x”

We’ve had our hard times but we are a lot better than we used to be.

Glad to hear it Eddie

Seems I may have mistook your post, sorry

I am not sorry on Vintage post though

If people are old fashioned, sorry, they can get stuffed Vintage.

Its that same bullshit reason, that has seen many women stoned to death in Islamic beliefs for adultery

Where many women say in Iran/Saudi together with a man not related.

My mum used to be that way on celibacy and virginity (she is a catholic).

I thought against her bullshit

I won

Do you want her to win?

Who wants to use respect based on poor beliefs Vintage?

I dont, do you?

Good grief, there's a long way between choosing to respect a parents view in their own home and stoning someone to death for adultery or pre marital sex, I doubt anyone agrees to stoning. It was her home her rules, except she didn't actually enforce her rules on anyone else, she only enforced them on herself, we all choose to respect her views in her home. .

Vintage wrote:Not her idea, theirs,she was more tahn happy for them to share the bed, they wanted to respect my mother, no one forced them. These were views my mother was brought up with sheherself lived by but didn't expect it of others, they did it out of love, no one was harmed, no one was forced. In fact we all respected my mother's home - by choice.

So they bowed down to her beliefs then

How many women have suffered based off making someone else happy?

Not knocking you, just saying how this all starts Vintage

I am sorry its nothing to do with respect

Its based on bowing down to the beliefs of one person on what they believe, as if those beliefs are right.

It shows, nobody has challenged those beliefs

I’m not really sure I know what you’re going on at vintage for?
Either you’re making points I don’t get or you’re making points I don’t get.

Vintage wrote:Good grief, there's a long way between choosing to respect a parents view and stoning someone to death for adultery or pre marital sex,
I doubt anyone agrees to stoning.

Is there?

How about Irish parents disowning sending their pregnant daughters to the Magdalene's asylums?

How many died there Vintage?

You do realise this was done so based on respect?

When are you going to fucking learn, respect is something invented to control others?

How many of those mothers died there Vintage are you going to respect, simple, because they never respected their parents?

Didge wrote:

Vintage wrote:Good grief, there's a long way between choosing to respect a parents view and stoning someone to death for adultery or pre marital sex,
I doubt anyone agrees to stoning.

Is there?
ou physically or emotionallyt
How about Irish parents disowning sending their pregnant daughters to the Magdalene's asylums?

How many died there Vintage?

You do realise this was done so based on respect?

When are you going to fucking learn, respect is something invented to control others?

There's a huge' fucking 'difference in voluntarily doing something that isn;t going to impact you physically or emotionally and in people being forced to do something by cultural or religious teaching.
My mother was religious, she had particular ideas about her personal morality, she didn't expect anyone else including her children to follow that code, once they were old enough to decide, she hoped she'd directed her children in the right direction the rest was up to them.

Didge wrote:

Vintage wrote:Good grief, there's a long way between choosing to respect a parents view and stoning someone to death for adultery or pre marital sex,
I doubt anyone agrees to stoning.

Is there?

How about Irish parents disowning sending their pregnant daughters to the Magdalene's asylums?

How many died there Vintage?

You do realise this was done so based on respect?

When are you going to fucking learn, respect is something invented to control others?

how very sad your mind is, didge

what happened to you to make you feel that way?

Vintage wrote:

Didge wrote:


Is there?
ou physically or emotionallyt
How about Irish parents disowning sending their pregnant daughters to the Magdalene's asylums?

How many died there Vintage?

You do realise this was done so based on respect?

When are you going to fucking learn, respect is something invented to control others?

There's a huge' fucking 'difference in voluntarily doing something that isn;t going to impact you physically or emotionally and in people being forced to do something by cultural or religious teaching.
My mother was religious, she had particular ideas about her personal morality, she didn't expect anyone else including her children to follow that code, once they were old enough to decide, she hoped she'd directed her children in the right direction the rest was up to them.

So was my mother radically religious.

Its like saying that we should be brought into a code of racial superiority if brought up in aparthied South Africa or Nazi Germany.

Its two radical and extreme beliefs.

Are you telling me, that if your mother was an advocate or both, you would have respect these beliefs?

My mother was very radical catholic. I thought against her and am proud how i managed to reason and mellow her out on her views.

She had many of my family challenge her views and reason so

Hence why she has become more relaxed.

The reality is many young girls in the middle east and even here in the UK have very religious parents. Which normally, you are against them controlling them.

So why are you giving an exception to your mother?

This is the problem

Some bullshit repsect, where in the extreme, people are murder based on honour killings.

Do you not see how your views are born of the same bullshit>?

Didge wrote:

Vintage wrote:
There's a huge' fucking 'difference in voluntarily doing something that isn;t going to impact you physically or emotionally and in people being forced to do something by cultural or religious teaching.
My mother was religious, she had particular ideas about her personal morality, she didn't expect anyone else including her children to follow that code, once they were old enough to decide, she hoped she'd directed her children in the right direction the rest was up to them.

So was my mother radically religious.

Its like saying that we should be brought into a code of racial superiority if brought up in aparthied South Africa or Nazi Germany.

Its two radical and extreme beliefs.

Are you telling me, that if your mother was an advocate or both, you would have respect these beliefs?

My mother was very radical catholic. I thought against her and am proud how i managed to reason and mellow her out on her views.

She had many of my family challenge her views and reason so

Hence why she has become more relaxed.

The reality is many young girls in the middle east and even here in the UK have very religious parents. Which normally, you are against them controlling them.

So why are you giving an exception to your mother?

This is the problem

Some bullshit repsect, where in the extreme, people are murder based on honour killings.

Do you not see how your views are born of the same bullshit>?

well, that's cleared things up a bit

Maybe somebody in your family needs to challenge your views, Didge, because it seems like you could relax a bit yourself.

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:Maybe somebody in your family needs to challenge your views, Didge, because it seems like you could relax a bit yourself.

Do you want to relax on forced marriages?

Fgm?

Tell that to the victims Ben

Twat

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:Maybe somebody in your family needs to challenge your views, Didge, because it seems like you could relax a bit yourself.

I don't think that's possible. He has been very much damaged as a child and it's clear now as how he has turned out as an adult who has to have the last word and will try to put down anyone who disagrees. He is now a bullying control freak who believes that respect is an ''invention used for control''. He has no respect for himself much less anyone else.

It's very sad to witness a grown man behaving in such a way and clearly this is due to his childhood and the effect that his past is still having to this day in a very negative way

gelico wrote:

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:Maybe somebody in your family needs to challenge your views, Didge, because it seems like you could relax a bit yourself.

I don't think that's possible.  He has been very much damaged as a child and it's clear now as how he has turned out as an adult who has to have the last word and will try to put down anyone who disagrees.  He is now a bullying control freak who believes that respect is an ''invention used for control''.  He has no respect for himself much less anyone else.

It's very sad to witness a grown man behaving in such a way and clearly this is due to his childhood and the effect that his past is still having to this day in a very negative way

So let me get this straight?

I am a bully?

Even though, I am on the consistant end of attacks and rarely complain?

That if I stand my own ground, even when outnumbered, that says to youI am a control freak, even though i was brought up in a controlling family shouting to be heard and even understanding that?

You see, Gelico, you are nothing more than sly

You cannot take on my points but invent things, so you can misdirect, from the Cathy Newman School

Now what have I said that was so bad here?

Its had Ben jump in claim he will give me a chance, on what wrong?

Gelico. the latest Tommy Robinson hero, make claims on me on my views?

Come again?

What did I say was so bad?

Actually answer this or Gelico, best you find your rabbit, as I found him, seems you never.

Didge wrote:

gelico wrote:

I don't think that's possible.  He has been very much damaged as a child and it's clear now as how he has turned out as an adult who has to have the last word and will try to put down anyone who disagrees.  He is now a bullying control freak who believes that respect is an ''invention used for control''.  He has no respect for himself much less anyone else.

It's very sad to witness a grown man behaving in such a way and clearly this is due to his childhood and the effect that his past is still having to this day in a very negative way

So let me get this straight?

I am a bully?

yes

but after reading many of your posts especially about your mother and your upbringing I can at least have more understanding of you and how it has affected you in such a negative way. It shows in how you turned to drink and seem to have little respect for yourself so how could anyone expect you to ever have respect for anyone who has a different opinion to you. You see that as some kind of threat and you feel the need to control the situation and anyone involved in it at the time.

It's very clear to see now and although it doesn't necessarily make your behaviour acceptable but at least it's understandable

gelico wrote:

Didge wrote:


So let me get this straight?

I am a bully?

yes

but after reading many of your posts especially about your mother and your upbringing I can at least have more understanding of you and how it has affected you in such a negative way.  It shows in how you turned to drink and seem to have little respect for yourself so how could anyone expect you to ever have respect for anyone who has a different opinion to you.  You see that as some kind of threat and you feel the need to control the situation and anyone involved in it at the time.

It's very clear to see now and although it doesn't necessarily make your behaviour acceptable but at least it's understandable

So how am I am bully by reasoning my points on history?

I have not had a drink in 2 years Gelico

So how has drink got to do with anything?

The fact is I am very postive and how actually I take on people like you who are negative

I turned to drink when my brother died and i recognised I had a problem

You see how idiots like you have no idea, in why I was so upset when he died and why I drank?

You have no idea

If you asked, I would tell you, but to claim this on drink, shows what a utter twat you are and clueless, just because i rubbish views by Vintage

It shows what an idiot you are Gelico

You claim bullying, after going on about me?

Priceless
So where I took on Vintage points, you actuallty got personal?

How did that pan out Cathy Newman?

Didge, haven't you noticed that a thread tends to die once you start your 'debating' and lecturing, with the exception of your chosen victim trying to make some sense out of your endless diverging.
You do bully, you are pedantic, you do argue semantics ad nauseum. I am well aware from other forums that you like to have the last word, so knock yourself out mate. Night.

Vintage wrote:Didge, haven't you noticed that a thread tends to die once you start your 'debating' and lecturing, with the exception of your chosen victim trying to make some sense out of your endless diverging.
You do bully, you are pedantic, you do argue semantics ad nauseum. I am well aware from other forums that you like to have the last word, so knock yourself out mate. Night.

I dont care about your pathetic excuses

Can you not see this

Some parents have a perceived view of their children.

Yes or no?

magica wrote:To all the lovely mums here on Sunday.

Also if your  mum's still here, give her an extra big hug.

Happy Mothers day to you too Mags.
Happy Mothers day to all the mums who  post on here.x

Lets have a happy mothers day to all those mothers that disowned their children as gay eh?

How about all those who had them stoned to death for adultery

I mean that is based on respect right?

This is why the world is wrong today. People claim to care about human rights, but only care about rights that actually effect them#

They do not care about Universal rights

Its why the world will surely be fucked within a couple generations

I mean, I was not even nasty and people got personal with me tonoght, which is no problem, gelico, was at her worst, with the lamest attacks. She scored an own goal, but I still love her to bits

At any point was I nasty?

No

Yet many got personal and why?

Because they were in the wrong and did not like, that i was right

Goodnight

Didge wrote:

gelico wrote:


yes

but after reading many of your posts especially about your mother and your upbringing I can at least have more understanding of you and how it has affected you in such a negative way.  It shows in how you turned to drink and seem to have little respect for yourself so how could anyone expect you to ever have respect for anyone who has a different opinion to you.  You see that as some kind of threat and you feel the need to control the situation and anyone involved in it at the time.

It's very clear to see now and although it doesn't necessarily make your behaviour acceptable but at least it's understandable

So how am I am bully by reasoning my points on history?

I have not had a drink in 2 years Gelico

So how has drink got to do with anything?

The fact is I am very postive and how actually I take on people like you who are negative

I turned to drink when my brother died and i recognised I had a problem

You see how idiots like you have no idea, in why I was so upset when he died and why I drank?

You have no idea

If you asked, I would tell you, but to claim this on drink, shows what a utter twat you are and clueless, just because i rubbish views by Vintage

It shows what an idiot you are Gelico

You claim bullying, after going on about me?

Priceless
So where I took on Vintage points, you actuallty got personal?

How did that pan out Cathy Newman?

It wasn't personal it was just an observation

I know exactly why you turned to drink because you have discussed it with my via PM in the past and told me lots of stuff about that and about your mum and all sorts so I hardly needed to ask.

My point was that if someone disagrees you have a habit of turning on them and trying to browbeat them into changing their minds. You make claims of people ''having poor reasoning/being sheep/being controlled/being bitchy'' etc etc etc. You do it all the time. I dont think you do it consciously but you seem to have some kind of fear of different opinions and then go off on a tangent and change the debate.

you mention vintage. she was only talking about her mums beliefs. she also said that she had never tried to control anyone else through those beliefs but you went off on one and started banging on about the magdalene sisters, FGM, forced marriages and God knows what as though that was a relevant point.

''Stop giving me bollocks and excuses, as you are talking utter crap and being utterly pathetic, when i do respect you''.


is what you wrote. Do you see? You are really rude and then say I do respect you, despite claiming that respect is nothing but an invention to control people. You are a mass of contradictions, your arguments veer off into unknown territory without warning. You bring the most bizarre aspects into your reasoning in some desperate attempt to be right and to be in control. You are obsessed with control so that everyone just gets bored


You then say ''no one has answered my points''

I get why you're the way you are but you could maybe do with a bit of self reflection

gelico wrote:

Didge wrote:


So how am I am bully by reasoning my points on history?

I have not had a drink in 2 years Gelico

So how has drink got to do with anything?

The fact is I am very postive and how actually I take on people like you who are negative

I turned to drink when my brother died and i recognised I had a problem

You see how idiots like you have no idea, in why I was so upset when he died and why I drank?

You have no idea

If you asked, I would tell you, but to claim this on drink, shows what a utter twat you are and clueless, just because i rubbish views by Vintage

It shows what an idiot you are Gelico

You claim bullying, after going on about me?

Priceless
So where I took on Vintage points, you actuallty got personal?

How did that pan out Cathy Newman?

It wasn't personal it was just an observation

I know exactly why you turned to drink because you have discussed it with my via PM in the past and told me lots of stuff about that and about your mum and all sorts so I hardly needed to ask.

My point was that if someone disagrees you have a habit of turning on them and trying to browbeat them into changing their minds.  You make claims of people ''having poor reasoning/being sheep/being controlled/being bitchy'' etc etc etc.  You do it all the time.  I dont think you do it consciously but you seem to have some kind of fear of different opinions and then go off on a tangent and change the debate.

you mention vintage.  she was only talking about her mums beliefs.  she also said that she had never tried to control anyone else through those beliefs but you went off on one and started banging on about the magdalene sisters, FGM, forced marriages and God knows what as though that was a relevant point.

''Stop giving me bollocks and excuses, as you are talking utter crap and being utterly pathetic, when i do respect you''.


is what you wrote.  Do you see?  You are really rude and then say I do respect you, despite claiming that respect is nothing but an invention to control people.  You are a mass of contradictions, your arguments veer off into unknown territory without warning.  You bring the most bizarre aspects into your reasoning in some desperate attempt to be right and to be in control.  You are obsessed with control so that everyone just gets bored


You then say ''no one has answered my points''

I get why you're the way you are but you could maybe do with a bit of self reflection

So ridiculing someone, is turning on them, correct?

So why then claim something personal on me, when i was not personal?

That makes zero sense and shows you are talking bollocks

What that shows, is you do not like me ridiculing someone on their views, but have no objcection to the millions youtibe videos that do ridicule people

I mean come on, grow a pair gelico, that is the biggest load of babble I have ever seen

All we are doing now is talking about me and not not my points

You are basing this on what I said and not the argument?

Seriously?

Oh no, what will I do

PMSL, you actually was personal

I never was and you have the gall to say to me, when I do respect Vintage

Its based on me respecting her, how such a thing as respect can be meaningless and dangereous

The point you miss

So spare me your crap on bullying, when you did attempt to bully, but I guess you are used to weak mean on the phones these days

See how giving a dig works and is meaningless?

Either sticl to the points or jog on love

We began by wishing something good for mother's day, yet again you come along and twist it all to make something nasty and vile out of it. You need help, we are not responsible if you feel hard 'done by' by your mother, we are celebrating and wishing our mothers well because of the good way we were brought up. If that's not your experience, see a therapist but don't shift your hatred onto those content with their upbringing.
If you want to talk fgm anfd forced marriage start a thread on that, I'll be pleased to contribute.

Vintage wrote:We began by wishing something good for mother's day, yet again you come along and twist it all to make something nasty and vile out of it. You need help, we are not responsible if you feel hard 'done by' by your mother, we are celebrating and wishing our mothers well because of the good way we were brought up. If that's not your experience, see a therapist but don't shift your hatred onto those content with their upbringing.
If you want to talk fgm anfd forced marriage start a thread on that, I'll be pleased to contribute.  

Apparantly I am a nasty person by actually thinking about mothers that actually need help against people who claim mothers need to respect fathers and husbands

I think this thread is a good place to start to talk about mothers that have been abused with forced marriage and Fgm do you not think?

Seem,s to me, you are like the left wanting to hide it under the carpet.

Do you think women fighting for the vote, said lets stop for the day and celebrate women still being oppressed.

What do you think they would say to you?

That you have no respect for women's rights?

Because a woman that claims on a threat for women, that I should speak about problems women face elsewhere. Does not place their rights top of the list

My Mum's long gone. But there's plenty of Mums to accept this:



Have a great day.

Didge wrote:

gelico wrote:


It wasn't personal it was just an observation

I know exactly why you turned to drink because you have discussed it with my via PM in the past and told me lots of stuff about that and about your mum and all sorts so I hardly needed to ask.

My point was that if someone disagrees you have a habit of turning on them and trying to browbeat them into changing their minds.  You make claims of people ''having poor reasoning/being sheep/being controlled/being bitchy'' etc etc etc.  You do it all the time.  I dont think you do it consciously but you seem to have some kind of fear of different opinions and then go off on a tangent and change the debate.

you mention vintage.  she was only talking about her mums beliefs.  she also said that she had never tried to control anyone else through those beliefs but you went off on one and started banging on about the magdalene sisters, FGM, forced marriages and God knows what as though that was a relevant point.

''Stop giving me bollocks and excuses, as you are talking utter crap and being utterly pathetic, when i do respect you''.


is what you wrote.  Do you see?  You are really rude and then say I do respect you, despite claiming that respect is nothing but an invention to control people.  You are a mass of contradictions, your arguments veer off into unknown territory without warning.  You bring the most bizarre aspects into your reasoning in some desperate attempt to be right and to be in control.  You are obsessed with control so that everyone just gets bored


You then say ''no one has answered my points''

I get why you're the way you are but you could maybe do with a bit of self reflection

So ridiculing someone, is turning on them, correct?

So why then claim something personal on me, when i was not personal?

That makes zero sense and shows you are talking bollocks

What that shows, is you do not like me ridiculing someone on their views, but have no objcection to the millions youtibe videos that do ridicule people

I mean come on, grow a pair gelico, that is the biggest load of babble I have ever seen

All we are doing now is talking about me and not not my points

You are basing this on what I said and not the argument?

Seriously?

Oh no, what will I do

PMSL, you actually was personal

I never was and you have the gall to say to me, when I do respect Vintage

Its based on me respecting her, how such a thing as respect can be meaningless and dangereous

The point you miss

So spare me your crap on bullying, when you did attempt to bully, but I guess you are used to weak mean on the phones these days

See how giving a dig works and is meaningless?

Either sticl to the points or jog on love

you have just perfectly proved my point for me

thank you

gelico wrote:

Didge wrote:


So ridiculing someone, is turning on them, correct?

So why then claim something personal on me, when i was not personal?

That makes zero sense and shows you are talking bollocks

What that shows, is you do not like me ridiculing someone on their views, but have no objcection to the millions youtibe videos that do ridicule people

I mean come on, grow a pair gelico, that is the biggest load of babble I have ever seen

All we are doing now is talking about me and not not my points

You are basing this on what I said and not the argument?

Seriously?

Oh no, what will I do

PMSL, you actually was personal

I never was and you have the gall to say to me, when I do respect Vintage

Its based on me respecting her, how such a thing as respect can be meaningless and dangereous

The point you miss

So spare me your crap on bullying, when you did attempt to bully, but I guess you are used to weak mean on the phones these days

See how giving a dig works and is meaningless?

Either sticl to the points or jog on love

you have just perfectly proved my point for me

thank you

That you are hypocritical?

I know

Again, I ask, what did i say that was nasty or hateful?

Or did you now think me challenging views is a problem?

Does this actually back my view that women on here are in the main sexist?

Prove to me what I said was so bad, when magic and I are okay?

Vintage wrote:We began by wishing something good for mother's day, yet again you come along and twist it all to make something nasty and vile out of it. You need help, we are not responsible if you feel hard 'done by' by your mother, we are celebrating and wishing our mothers well because of the good way we were brought up. If that's not your experience, see a therapist but don't shift your hatred onto those content with their upbringing.
If you want to talk fgm anfd forced marriage start a thread on that, I'll be pleased to contribute.  

anyhoos, putting aside womens rights, FGM, forced marriage, stoning, voting rights and chronic religious syndrome for a moment, Hope you have a good mother's day.



my mum died in 2010 but I can still hear her pearls of wisdom to this day. We certainly had our moments, and then some but we also laughed a lot and talked a lot and I loved her

I miss hearing her laugh

Didge wrote:

Vintage wrote:We began by wishing something good for mother's day, yet again you come along and twist it all to make something nasty and vile out of it. You need help, we are not responsible if you feel hard 'done by' by your mother, we are celebrating and wishing our mothers well because of the good way we were brought up. If that's not your experience, see a therapist but don't shift your hatred onto those content with their upbringing.
If you want to talk fgm anfd forced marriage start a thread on that, I'll be pleased to contribute.  

Apparantly I am a nasty person by actually thinking about mothers that actually need help against people who claim mothers need to respect fathers and husbands

I think this thread is a good place to start to talk about mothers that have been abused with forced marriage and Fgm do you not think?

Seem,s to me, you are like the left wanting to hide it under the carpet.

Do you think women fighting for the vote, said lets stop for the day and celebrate women still being oppressed.

What do you think they would say to you?

That you have no respect for women's rights?

Because a woman that claims on a threat for women, that I should speak about problems women face elsewhere. Does not place their rights top of the list

Happy to discuss all that, just not here, wrong time, wrong place .
Did you miss International Women's day when all these things and more were highlighted.

gelico wrote:

Vintage wrote:We began by wishing something good for mother's day, yet again you come along and twist it all to make something nasty and vile out of it. You need help, we are not responsible if you feel hard 'done by' by your mother, we are celebrating and wishing our mothers well because of the good way we were brought up. If that's not your experience, see a therapist but don't shift your hatred onto those content with their upbringing.
If you want to talk fgm anfd forced marriage start a thread on that, I'll be pleased to contribute.  

anyhoos, putting aside womens rights, FGM, forced marriage, stoning, voting rights and chronic religious syndrome for a moment, Hope you have a good mother's day.



my mum died in 2010 but I can still hear her pearls of wisdom to this day.  We certainly had our moments, and then some but we also laughed a lot and talked a lot and I loved her

I miss hearing her laugh

Absolutely with you on that Gelico, have a good mother's day yourself.
Night.

Vintage wrote:

Didge wrote:


Apparantly I am a nasty person by actually thinking about mothers that actually need help against people who claim mothers need to respect fathers and husbands

I think this thread is a good place to start to talk about mothers that have been abused with forced marriage and Fgm do you not think?

Seem,s to me, you are like the left wanting to hide it under the carpet.

Do you think women fighting for the vote, said lets stop for the day and celebrate women still being oppressed.

What do you think they would say to you?

That you have no respect for women's rights?

Because a woman that claims on a threat for women, that I should speak about problems women face elsewhere. Does not place their rights top of the list

Happy to discuss all that, just not here, wrong time, wrong place .
Did you miss International Women's day when all these things and more were highlighted.

How Can I miss such a day with a family that respects women?

Its why I stand for universal rights.

Something many women have not obtained

Hence why I am so outspoken on this

Why I have little time for views formed around respect

I would rather people abide by the goldern rule

Treat others, in how you would wish to be treated

As views based on perceived one sided respect, are often mistreated

Hence my point Vintage

Didge wrote:

gelico wrote:


you have just perfectly proved my point for me

thank you

That you are hypocritical?

no, that you are a control freak who would argue with your own shadow



Again, I ask, what did i say that was nasty or hateful?

I never said you were hateful. I made the claims that you: try to bully people with your rude and sometimes aggressive posts. You try to put people down by calling them pathetic/sheep/racist or whatever insult you chose at the time. You bring meaningless comments into your reasoning and you always want to be seen as right. For you it's about winning whereas for the rest of us it's merely an exchange of ideas/views. I stand by everything I said.

Or did you now think me challenging views is a problem?

No, it's the way you do it which is a bit of an issue. Like I said you become rude and personal, superior and arrogant as tough your opinion is the only one that matters. If you could try to be less scared of differing opinions (you dont have to agree with them) you would appear a lot less bigoted and more open minded.

Does this actually back my view that women on here are in the main sexist?

I didn't know you had that view

Prove to me what I said was so bad, when magic and I are okay?

I never even mentioned magic




anyway off to bed. I have an early start.

don't let things upset you too much didge

xx

gelico wrote:no, that you are a control freak who would argue with your own shadow

Didge wrote:
So now based on your perception, you must be a control freak also correct>

I never said you were hateful.  I made the claims that you: try to bully people with your rude and sometimes aggressive posts.  You try to put people down by calling them pathetic/sheep/racist or whatever insult you chose at the time.  You bring meaningless comments into your reasoning and you always want to be seen as right.  For you it's about winning whereas for the rest of us it's merely an exchange of ideas/views.  I stand by everything I said.

Didge wrote:
So what you are saying is based on some made up sbjective arbitrary view correct?
So you claim I am rude, but its okay for you to claim views on me with drinking etc?
I would laugh, and I do, as its dumb to say the last.
What you are saying is that I should not ridicule poor views, when you constantly do, but some how its wrong when I do.

Sorry love, but that is pathetic.

Funny, that Islamic majority nations have the same view to criminalize beliefs
My view on that Gelico, is that if people are going to get offended on what ever toilet tree they based their standards on. Then I am not sorry at all.
It has nothing to do with winning but reason and why someone of you very low intellect will never understand, hence why i will always mock you, for following people like Tommy Robinson

See i did it again

What is right is whether to reason where something is hateful.

Have I been hateful here to ayone?

Take your time

If not, then you are full of bollocks

No, it's the way you do it which is a bit of an issue. Like I said you become rude and personal, superior and arrogant as tough your opinion is the only one that matters.  If you could try to be less scared of differing opinions (you dont have to agree with them) you would appear a lot less bigoted and more open minded.

Didge wrote:
So again subjective

You were pseronal with me, was I upset?

No

Did you make poor claims?

Yep

I am not scared of any opinions.

I mean more than anyone, I have changed my views on many things over the years. I have not seen many people do that. I even saw Ben, originally call out Magica on a post and then ask me to back down, as if I should then forsake my views. I wont to you or anyone.

If you donot like the way I debate, that is your issue and not mine.

I am not here to win friends

I am here to make points and it certainly does make points as they end up being the most debated threads

So if you want me to tread on eggshells, when you have no issue hitting at me and i am not bothered. I have only got one answer

Get stuffed

I didn't know you had that view

Didge wrote:
I have many,l does yours all come from Tommy Robinson?

I never even mentioned magic




anyway off to bed.  I have an early start.

don't let things upset you too much didge

xx

Why would i be upset Gelico?

You see, you try one tactic, it fails, you try another and still end up getting burnt

Try not to be such a little poor lamb gelico

Night

x

Fuck a duck! Why has this thread turned into a heated debate?

eddie wrote:Fuck a duck! Why has this thread turned into a heated debate?

Because its a debate forum

Why though did you say this after my post and not gelico's?

Point proven I guess

The point is meaningless unless you stand for universal rights

Why do you think there is more treatments for cancers that effect women than men?

The world is changing and many women need to be protected, but sadly its being done at the expense of men

That's my mother's day thread over.

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t23703-australia-may-become-first-country-to-eliminate-cervical-cancer-rate-drops-from-22-to-1#455911

That's wonderful news Didge but can we get back on topic.

To Vin,Geli, Ed, Ben Syl thanx for your input on your mums. I don't think I left anyone off. Didge please allow people to discuss their mum's here without debate.

It's my first and prob my last thread lol.

magica wrote:That's wonderful news Didge but can we get back on topic.

The point is the world is continually divided by labels

This effects people more than you would know

I applaud every mother raising children as i do fathers.

There never should be a mothers or fathers day

Its something that continually divides

They should combine the two that even single parents can enjoy or couples together

Singling out one gender, has always been the problem in society

This is me not knocking mothers, but my childhood was more than just my parents. It was my siblings and my cousins, where nobody celebrates their day.

Hence it should be united together as a family day

Ok that's fine Didge, you can celebrate your way, its not a problem.

I and many others like to do it this way. Thanking our mum's, and on Fathers day, thanking our dad's..

Off to sleep now

magica wrote:Ok that's fine Didge, you can celebrate your way, its not a problem.

I and many others like to do it this way. Thanking our mum's, and on Fathers day, thanking our dad's..

Off to sleep now

I understand, but I would like to thank my Uncles, my Aunts, my cousins ect that have been there.

Many children only have one parent and in many cases, these are not even their mother or father

Why it would be so much better and have more children involved to have a day set out to celebrate all relatives.

Hence a family day

Mother and fathers day are based on antiquated old bullshit traditions

As why single out one person to thank?

At least with a family day, many more people can relate to the people who do actually raise them, even when many are mothers and fathers. It then expands this to include many more.

I mean this is a day about those who look after children, not women or men without children

So mothers day is hardly a woman's day is it?#

Hence it should be a family day

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:Maybe somebody in your family needs to challenge your views, Didge, because it seems like you could relax a bit yourself.

Green from me!