Some Italians Protest as Fascists Make a Comeback—But It Looks Like the Spiritual Heirs of Mussolini Will Win the March 4 Elections

by Guest Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:08 am

Many Italians took to the streets to protest blatant racism and stop the return to power of fascist parties. Many more stayed home. Apparently they don’t have a problem with it.

ROME—With a week left until Italians vote for their next leader on March 4, there is a palpable feeling of change in the air, and it’s not a change for the better. The final election polls, which were published last week, point to victory for a center-right coalition with several fringe parties that openly embrace the ideology of fascism which includes racial purity, authoritarianism and extreme nationalism.

The other parties in the coalition, which is being led by former prime minister and convicted tax fraudster Silvio Berlusconi, have pledged mass expulsions of migrants and a military-backed tightening of the borders. Indeed, the various parties seem intent on one-upping each other when it comes to hardline policies.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/some-italians-protest-as-fascists-make-a-comebackbut-it-looks-like-the-spiritual-heirs-of-mussolini-will-win-the-march-4-elections?ref=home

by Tommy Monk Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:24 pm

Mussolini was a socialist...!!!

But besides that... the Italian people have had enough of the invasion of illegal immigrants and want an end to it...!

by 'Wolfie Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:22 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

Mussolini was a socialist...!!!

But besides that... the Italian people have had enough of the invasion of illegal immigrants and want an end to it...!

Stop it with the fucking outright bullshit, Tommy...

He was never a "socialist"..

He was a self-declared fascist.

A far right-wing dictator..

So just STFU if you can't start talking sense...

by Tommy Monk Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:59 pm

He was never a socialist...!?

lol!

You obviously know nothing about him...!!!

by Maddog Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:12 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

Mussolini was a socialist...!!!

But besides that... the Italian people have had enough of the invasion of illegal immigrants and want an end to it...!

Stop it with the fucking outright bullshit, Tommy...

He was never a "socialist"..

He was a self-declared fascist.

A far right-wing dictator..

So just STFU if you can't start talking sense...

Since when is talking sense a prerequisite for talking around here?

BTW Tommy, Mussolini was a fascist. tongue

by Tommy Monk Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:29 pm

So why was he a prominent member of the socialist party...?

Why did he write so much pro socialism stuff for the socialist press...?

Why was he kicked out of the socialist party...?

Was it because he wasn't a socialist... or for something else...?

by Maddog Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:31 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

So why was he a prominent member of the socialist party...?

Why did he write so much pro socialism stuff for the socialist press...?

Why was he kicked out of the socialist party...?

Was it because he wasn't a socialist... or for something else...?

Tommy, has there even been a fascist government according to the "Rules of Tommy"?

by Tommy Monk Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:43 pm

The facts are the facts... I'm not making any rules... just trying to show you the facts...

Check what I say...

Then you will see...

by Maddog Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:46 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:The facts are the facts... I'm not making any rules... just trying to show you the facts...

Check what I say...

Then you will see...

Tommy, has there even been a fascist government according to the "Rules of Tommy"?

by Tommy Monk Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:52 pm

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see...

Check what I say... then you will see...!

by Cass Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:04 am

Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini (July 29, 1883 to April 28, 1945), who went by the nickname “Il Duce” (“the Leader”), was an Italian dictator who created the Fascist Party in 1919 and eventually held all the power in Italy as the country’s prime minister from 1922 until 1943. An ardent socialist as a youth, Mussolini followed in his father's political footsteps but was expelled by the party for his support of World War I. As dictator during World War II, he overextended his forces and was eventually killed by his own people in Mezzegra, Italy.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.biography.com/.amp/people/benito-mussolini-9419443

Facts. Can’t beat them.

by Maddog Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:00 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see...

Check what I say... then you will see...!

You could just answer my question.

by Maddog Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:04 am

"Fascism is a religion. The twentieth century will be known in history as the century of Fascism."

Benito Mussolini

"Socialism is a fraud, a comedy, a phantom, a blackmail."

Benito Mussolini

"Tommy is wrong"

Maddog. Wink

by veya_victaous Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:20 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

So why was he a prominent member of the socialist party...?
Cause of his Father

Why did he write so much pro socialism stuff for the socialist press...?
Cause of His Father

Why was he kicked out of the socialist party...? Cause he wasn't socialist

Was it because he wasn't a socialist... or for something else...? Cause he was a Fascist

by Tommy Monk Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:24 pm

He was a socialist... he spent many years as a prominent socialist (member and advocate)... he was only kicked out of the socialist party because of his support for getting involved in WW1...

This difference of opinion over WW1 led to a split of the socialists, with those in favour of intervention forming 'the Fascist Revolutionary Party (Partito Fascista Rivoluzionario or PFR)' in 1915... then a few years later Mussolini started his own nationalist socialist party/movement... which was basically a socialist party that had firm nationalist ideals... a 'national socialist' party, or 'state socialist' party... and also called it a 'fascist party'...

"...The Italian term fascismo is derived from fascio meaning a bundle of rods, ultimately from the Latin word fasces. This was the name given to political organizations in Italy known as fasci, groups similar to guilds or syndicates. According to Mussolini's own account, the Fascist Revolutionary Party (Partito Fascista Rivoluzionario or PFR) was founded in Italy in 1915. In 1919, Mussolini founded the Fasci Italiani di Combattimento in Milan, which became the Partito Nazionale Fascista (National Fascist Party) two years later. The Fascists came to associate the term with the ancient Roman fasces or fascio littorio—a bundle of rods tied around an axe, an ancient Roman symbol of the authority of the civic magistrate... The symbolism of the fasces suggested strength through unity: a single rod is easily broken, while the bundle is difficult to break..."

by Guest Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:52 pm

Are we being introduced to the Tommy stupid show of history again?

For fuck sake

I have never known someone so utterly dumb and stupid on political history.

Its the same crap over and over again.

You would think he would get the hint the first time, and after many times, that nobody buys his revisionist bullshit on Nazism and Fascism

by Tommy Monk Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:51 pm

Didge wrote:Are we being introduced to the Tommy stupid show of history again?

For fuck sake

I have never known someone so utterly dumb and stupid on political history.

Its the same crap over and over again.

You would think he would get the hint the first time, and after many times, that nobody buys his revisionist bullshit on Nazism and Fascism

I present some well documented historical facts and truth...

Didge doesn't like these well documented historical facts and truths...

He tries to deny the well documented historical facts and truths... and calls me dumb and stupid for telling these well documented historical facts and truths...

But the problem for Didge, is that the facts and truths I tell, are well documented... and everyone can easily look them up on the internet and see for themselves that I speak the truth...!!!

Leaving Didge looking very 'dumb and stupid'... or a liar...!

lol!

by Guest Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:58 pm

Sorry, but what facts?

I dont see any facts.

I see someone so utterly clueless, that he cherry picks things to make a very piss poor case.

That is all I see.

I dont see you present a comprehensive case or argument.

Its up to you if you want to remain clueless, but I and so many others have presented facts, not cherry picking either to show you how emphatically you are wrong.

Not only that, on any debate, this one included, you turn it into this same retarded revisionist bullshit claim.

So what Tommy is claiming is that Nazis and fascists are not Far Right but Far left extremists.

One moment

Some Italians Protest as Fascists Make a Comeback—But It Looks Like the Spiritual Heirs of Mussolini Will Win the March 4 Elections 3489511464

Some Italians Protest as Fascists Make a Comeback—But It Looks Like the Spiritual Heirs of Mussolini Will Win the March 4 Elections 3489511464

Now, back to the actual point, here, how the "Far Right" is rising in strengh through fascism in Italy

Is this not worrying in the extreme?

by Maddog Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:11 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Didge wrote:Are we being introduced to the Tommy stupid show of history again?

For fuck sake

I have never known someone so utterly dumb and stupid on political history.

Its the same crap over and over again.

You would think he would get the hint the first time, and after many times, that nobody buys his revisionist bullshit on Nazism and Fascism

I present some well documented historical facts and truth...

Didge doesn't like these well documented historical facts and truths...

He tries to deny the well documented historical facts and truths... and calls me dumb and stupid for telling these well documented historical facts and truths...

But the problem for Didge, is that the facts and truths I tell, are well documented... and everyone can easily look them up on the internet and see for themselves that I speak the truth...!!!

Leaving Didge looking very 'dumb and stupid'... or a liar...!

Tommy, if you were to present your facts to a history department at a major university, what do you think they would make of them?

by Maddog Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:12 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Didge wrote:Are we being introduced to the Tommy stupid show of history again?

For fuck sake

I have never known someone so utterly dumb and stupid on political history.

Its the same crap over and over again.

You would think he would get the hint the first time, and after many times, that nobody buys his revisionist bullshit on Nazism and Fascism

I present some well documented historical facts and truth...

Didge doesn't like these well documented historical facts and truths...

He tries to deny the well documented historical facts and truths... and calls me dumb and stupid for telling these well documented historical facts and truths...

But the problem for Didge, is that the facts and truths I tell, are well documented... and everyone can easily look them up on the internet and see for themselves that I speak the truth...!!!

Leaving Didge looking very 'dumb and stupid'... or a liar...!

"Socialism is a fraud, a comedy, a phantom, a blackmail."

Benito Mussolini

by Tommy Monk Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:33 am

"I am a socialist..." - Adolf Hitler

by Maddog Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:36 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

"I am a socialist..." - Adolf Hitler

"Socialism is a fraud, a comedy, a phantom, a blackmail."

Benito Mussolini

by Guest Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:40 am

Cass wrote:Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini (July 29, 1883 to April 28, 1945), who went by the nickname “Il Duce” (“the Leader”), was an Italian dictator who created the Fascist Party in 1919 and eventually held all the power in Italy as the country’s prime minister from 1922 until 1943. An ardent socialist as a youth, Mussolini followed in his father's political footsteps but was expelled by the party for his support of World War I. As dictator during World War II, he overextended his forces and was eventually killed by his own people in Mezzegra, Italy.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.biography.com/.amp/people/benito-mussolini-9419443

Facts. Can’t beat them.

I read that as Analcare

Some Italians Protest as Fascists Make a Comeback—But It Looks Like the Spiritual Heirs of Mussolini Will Win the March 4 Elections 3489511464

by Guest Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:52 am

Didge wrote:Sorry, but what facts?

I dont see any facts.

I see someone so utterly clueless, that he cherry picks things to make a very piss poor case.

That is all I see.

I dont see you present a comprehensive case or argument.

Its up to you if you want to remain clueless, but I and so many others have presented facts, not cherry picking either to show you how emphatically you are wrong.

Not only that, on any debate, this one included, you turn it into this same retarded revisionist bullshit claim.

So what Tommy is claiming is that Nazis and fascists are not Far Right but Far left extremists.

One moment

Now, back to the actual point, here, how the "Far Right" is rising in strengh through fascism in Italy

Is this not worrying in the extreme?

from what I can gather the Italians are pissed off at such huge amounts of immigration coming in and rise in crime. They like many other parts of Europe feel as though they are losing their identity.

the people feel the same in Poland,,,,,,they have also been labelled as far right fascists

Rolling Eyes

by Guest Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:58 am

Gelico, there has been a rise of antisemitism within Poland

Even a new law that criminalizes people for stating Polish involvement in the Holocaust. (which under pressure they have placed on hold)

Does that have to do with immigration?

No it does not, it has to do with hate. As many Jews have lived there for generations

People are also not aware, that Jews suffered after WW2 through Communism, with ethnic cleasning policies in Poland.

Now yes some people are concerned with immigration. That does not mean they jump feet first into bed with Hitler beliefs, do they?

It shows there certainly is an issue that the EU has not considered the people of countries, but the Far Right has capitalized on this and its very dangereous that people are falling for the same hate from the past.

So whilst no doubt there are people who are genuinly concerned, there is also a rise if identity Far Right Political groups and support.

Just as I am concerned by the Rise of Far left political groups and their support.

Hence there needs to be sensible Political alternatives to tackle both extremes.

by Tommy Monk Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:14 pm

gelico wrote:
Didge wrote:Sorry, but what facts?

I dont see any facts.

I see someone so utterly clueless, that he cherry picks things to make a very piss poor case.

That is all I see.

I dont see you present a comprehensive case or argument.

Its up to you if you want to remain clueless, but I and so many others have presented facts, not cherry picking either to show you how emphatically you are wrong.

Not only that, on any debate, this one included, you turn it into this same retarded revisionist bullshit claim.

So what Tommy is claiming is that Nazis and fascists are not Far Right but Far left extremists.

One moment

Now, back to the actual point, here, how the "Far Right" is rising in strengh through fascism in Italy

Is this not worrying in the extreme?

from what I can gather the Italians are pissed off at such huge amounts of immigration coming in and rise in crime. They like many other parts of Europe feel as though they are losing their identity.

the people feel the same in Poland,,,,,,they have also been labelled as far right fascists

Quite right Geli...

My original post was this...

'... the Italian people have had enough of the invasion of illegal immigrants and want an end to it...!'

That doesn't make them 'far right' or 'fascists' or 'racists' or any other negative sounding label that some irrelevant and agenda driven lefty PC twats try to pin onto them...!

They are just normal people who have had enough of the madness being inflicted onto them, and enough of the current shower of politicians in power who have allowed the madness to happen, and who will carry on doing so while they remain in power!!!

by Guest Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:43 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
gelico wrote:

from what I can gather the Italians are pissed off at such huge amounts of immigration coming in and rise in crime. They like many other parts of Europe feel as though they are losing their identity.

the people feel the same in Poland,,,,,,they have also been labelled as far right fascists

Quite right Geli...

My original post was this...

'... the Italian people have had enough of the invasion of illegal immigrants and want an end to it...!'

That doesn't make them 'far right' or 'fascists' or 'racists' or any other negative sounding label that some irrelevant and agenda driven lefty PC twats try to pin onto them...!

They are just normal people who have had enough of the madness being inflicted onto them, and enough of the current shower of politicians in power who have allowed the madness to happen, and who will carry on doing so while they remain in power!!!

Sounds like something taken straight out of Mein Kampf

You see at the time, Jews had been fleeing persecution in the East in places like Russia into Germany and Poland

They then had normal people turn into hateful genocidal people, as they were whipped up with hate and scapegoating people, through forms of extreme nationalism

These are self confessed fascists.

Not sure how you can even deny that

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brothers_of_Italy

by Tommy Monk Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:12 pm

Nothing of the sort Dodge...!

Sub Saharan African illegal immigrants are flooding into Italy on a massive scale, and abusing the asylum rules to try to stay as well as trying to fleece the local taxpayers into funding handouts and housing for their own personal gain...!

They should all be getting deported back to somewhere in Africa, for the African Union to deal with...!

Enough is enough!

by Guest Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:16 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

Nothing of the sort Dodge...!

Sub Saharan African illegal immigrants are flooding into Italy on a massive scale, and abusing the asylum rules to try to stay as well as trying to fleece the local taxpayers into funding handouts and housing for their own personal gain...!

They should all be getting deported back to somewhere in Africa, for the African Union to deal with...!

Enough is enough!

So none of them are asylum seekers then?

How on earth do you know if they are illegal or asylum seekers?

That is down to the state to investigate and decide is it not?

Italy has signed up to doing its part internationally

So you prove even more buying into Far Right babble.

I have no doubt some are illegal and due process should deal with that.

Not jumping into bed with Fascism.

by Tommy Monk Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:42 pm

They are illegal immigrants who abuse the asylum rules for their own ends, deceitfully robbing the Italian taxpayers who are forced to be funding all the costs and handouts...!

They should all be getting deported back to somewhere in Africa for the African Union to deal with!!!

by Guest Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:49 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

They are illegal immigrants who abuse the asylum rules for their own ends, deceitfully robbing the Italian taxpayers who are forced to be funding all the costs and handouts...!

They should all be getting deported back to somewhere in Africa for the African Union to deal with!!!

So nothing to counter my points

Basically you are suggesting if people are concerned with immigration, they should jump into bed with Far Right fascists and not like the UK. Hold a referendum on leaving the EU.

Wow

by Guest Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:04 pm

Didge wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

They are illegal immigrants who abuse the asylum rules for their own ends, deceitfully robbing the Italian taxpayers who are forced to be funding all the costs and handouts...!

They should all be getting deported back to somewhere in Africa for the African Union to deal with!!!

So nothing to counter my points

Basically you are suggesting if people are concerned with immigration, they should jump into bed with Far Right fascists and not like the UK. Hold a referendum on leaving the EU.

Wow

Yeah, but we only got the referendum because cameron acted on impulse when he gave the country that choice. furthermore, not one single MP ever expected the leave vote to actually happen. In Britain UKIP are labelled as far right simply because they fought for leaving the EU. Anne Marie Waters is considered far right (despite being a lefty) simply because she speaks out about Islam. The term ''far right'' has completely lost all meaning, as has the word racist.

Perhaps the only way the Italians would get a referendum is by jumping into bed with the so called far right. They may not even get a choice otherwise

by Tommy Monk Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:09 pm

Didge waffle tactic No. 1...

If points are made you can't debate... use spin and twist and then conflate!

Deport them all to the African Union to deal with, and they can then decide which ones are genuine, and then they can look after them...!!!

by Guest Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:11 pm

gelico wrote:
Didge wrote:

So nothing to counter my points

Basically you are suggesting if people are concerned with immigration, they should jump into bed with Far Right fascists and not like the UK. Hold a referendum on leaving the EU.

Wow

Yeah, but we only got the referendum because cameron acted on impulse when he gave the country that choice. furthermore, not one single MP ever expected the leave vote to actually happen. In Britain UKIP are labelled as far right simply because they fought for leaving the EU. Anne Marie Waters is considered far right (despite being a lefty) simply because she speaks out about Islam. The term ''far right'' has completely lost all meaning, as has the word racist.

Perhaps the only way the Italians would get a referendum is by jumping into bed with the so called far right. They may not even get a choice otherwise

Wow

You seriously think that is the best option?

How badly have you not learnt from history

We are not talking about UKIP, but a well documented fascist party.

It beggars belief what people will sell their souls basically to the devil, because they are led by fear, A fear that the Far Right play off and once they get your vote. Then within a few years they will create a dictatorship. Just as happened in the past with Italy and Spain, letg alone Nazi Germany. Its bad enough people are falling for that left wing extremist Corbyn, who I have no doubt will do the same when in power. Look to ensure he never leaves, Just as he has ensured has happened with his Labour leadership. The Far left have taken control of Labour and the moderates are bowing down to them.

Where then a claim to tackle immigration, see many Italian ethnic groups ethnically cleansed.

To say you do not have another choice is sheer claptrap, being as in this country we did get a choice and pushed for one. To say Italy cannot do the same, is the biggest load of defeatest pessimism going.

There is always another choice within a democracy, unless you live under a dictatorship, which will happen, if the fascists gain power

Fuck me, fear has certainly now controlled your thinking Gelico

by Guest Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:22 pm

Didge wrote:
gelico wrote:

Yeah, but we only got the referendum because cameron acted on impulse when he gave the country that choice. furthermore, not one single MP ever expected the leave vote to actually happen. In Britain UKIP are labelled as far right simply because they fought for leaving the EU. Anne Marie Waters is considered far right (despite being a lefty) simply because she speaks out about Islam. The term ''far right'' has completely lost all meaning, as has the word racist.

Perhaps the only way the Italians would get a referendum is by jumping into bed with the so called far right. They may not even get a choice otherwise

Wow

You seriously think that is the best option?

No, I never suggested for a moment that it is the best option. All I am saying is the Italians may feel it's their only option. I don't know ebough about what's going on over there but it was just a suggestion.

You know like when BNP suddenly had a huge rise in support and worried the life out of everyone.

Was BNP the best option? No of course not but when people feel angry and betrayed unfortunately that's what happens

How badly have you not learnt from history

We are not talking about UKIP, but a well documented fascist party.

It beggars belief what people will sell their souls basically to the devil, because they are led by fear, A fear that the Far Right play off and once they get your vote. Then within a view years they will create a dictatorship.

Where then a claim to tackle immigration, see many Italian ethnic groups ethnically cleansed.

To say you do not have another choice is sheer claptrap, being as in this country we did get a choice and pushed for one. To say Italy cannot do the same, is the biggest load of defeatest pessimism going.

There is always another choice within a democracy, unless you live under a dictatorship, which will happen, if the fascists gain power

Fuck me, fear has certainly now controlled your thinking Gelico

i didn't bother much with the rest of your post

by Guest Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:27 pm

gelico wrote:No, I never suggested for a moment that it is the best option. All I am saying is the Italians may feel it's their only option. I don't know ebough about what's going on over there but it was just a suggestion.
didge wrote:Yes you did, making out this would be the only option. As if nobody can do as UKIP did and other Labour and Conservative MP's and push for a referendum.

You know like when BNP suddenly had a huge rise in support and worried the life out of everyone.
didge wrote:Normally people are concerned when Far Right or left group gains support. In the end the BNP caused their own downfall. If you do not garner them the attention they seek, they end up resorting to desperate measures. Hence why the public in the end saw through them

Was BNP the best option? No of course not but when people feel angry and betrayed unfortunately that's what happens
didge wrote:Oh wow, so you are excusing why people do stupid things now. Its not their fault, they cannot use their democratic rights and seek to bring about change democratically. They want to take the hate option.

For fucks sake

Many Germans felt angry and betrayed at the capitualtion of Germany in WW1 and blamed the Jews.

Look what happened there?

i didn't bother much with the rest of your post

Well you might learn something if you do

by Tommy Monk Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:22 pm

Voting for people who will do what you want them to do IS about getting change by democratic process...

A govt that doesn't do what the people want IS a dictatorship...!

by Guest Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:29 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

Voting for people who will do what you want them to do IS about getting change by democratic process...

A govt that doesn't do what the people want IS a dictatorship...!

So if a Goverment does not slaughter and mass murder Jews, its a dictatorship to you, or something humanitarian?

You dont half come out with some bollocks

Hitler rose to power based off a democratic vote, as did Mussolini and came to regret their decisions

The point is here, everytime people fall prey to fear based far right of left extremist parties. They lose their democratic rights.

There is always another way to tackle concerns people have. Through the democratic process, that does not involve extremist hateful beliefs.

Hence why in this country people voted to leave

Now many fears have been expressed off this and so far have seen to be unfounded.

We do know what happens when people vote for extreme parties.

History is littered with that problem

by Tommy Monk Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:41 pm

The only person here talking bollocks, is you!!!

There is nothing extreme about preventing/stopping illegal immigrants from flooding into your country... and/or removing them...!

In fact... a govt that allows them is an example of extreme failure!!!

by Guest Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:52 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

The only person here talking bollocks, is you!!!

There is nothing extreme about preventing/stopping illegal immigrants from flooding into your country... and/or removing them...!

In fact... a govt that allows them is an example of extreme failure!!!

Really?

Have you once denounced the fascists here?

So you are saying all problems are down to immigration then?

So by your reasoning, its even then wrong you are here, right?

Based on your ancestors coming here?

Nobody is denying immigration should be controlled

What you are calling for is to stop any Africans migrating or claiming asylum in Europe. As you think all asylum seekers are illegal immigrants, which is very telling

by Tommy Monk Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:51 pm

Your OP article makes sweeping claims of 'far right fascist partys'...

Brothers of Italy party - The party’s ideology is fairly typically right-wing conservative stuff, supporting laissez-faire economics, social conservatism and moderate Eurosceptic positions.

Casa Pound party - "...Pound describes himself as a fascist of the Left..."
https://lithub.com/hanging-out-with-the-italian-neo-fascists-who-idolize-ezra-pound/

Ten days ago a group of far-left protesters severely beat a Carabiniere, or military
police officer, who was trying to stop protesters from reaching a Casapound event.

Northern League - A regional party opposed to the EU, and opposed to the flood of illegal immigrants.

More than 600,000 mostly African migrants have reached Italy by sea since the country last voted in national elections. Most people view “out of control migration” as the biggest problem in the nation, according to a recent poll, and even the more liberal center left candidates are campaigning on better border controls.

So hardly a 'far right fascist party' for being eurosceptic and being in favour of tougher borders and removal of illegals etc...

by Guest Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:58 pm

Sweeping?

I gave you a link?

This is typical denial

Try to claim a group that claims its roots from fascism, as not what it seems.

You then invoke how a far left supporter beat up someone. When i am also against the far left?

You sound like Hitler now

That the only way to combat the hard left is to sign up and murder millions of Jews, slavs etc

Come again?

Do you back the Far Right Tommy?

All I see by your views, is you do.

Now, would you allow white Africans from South Africa, Namibia et into Italy?

Would you class them as illegal?

by Tommy Monk Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:26 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

Your OP article makes sweeping claims of 'far right fascist partys'...

Brothers of Italy party - The party’s ideology is fairly typically right-wing conservative stuff, supporting laissez-faire economics, social conservatism and moderate Eurosceptic positions.

Casa Pound party - "...Pound describes himself as a fascist of the Left..."
https://lithub.com/hanging-out-with-the-italian-neo-fascists-who-idolize-ezra-pound/

Ten days ago a group of far-left protesters severely beat a Carabiniere, or military
police officer, who was trying to stop protesters from reaching a Casapound event.

Northern League - A regional party opposed to the EU, and opposed to the flood of illegal immigrants.

More than 600,000 mostly African migrants have reached Italy by sea since the country last voted in national elections. Most people view “out of control migration” as the biggest problem in the nation, according to a recent poll, and even the more liberal center left candidates are campaigning on better border controls.

So hardly a 'far right fascist party' for being eurosceptic and being in favour of tougher borders and removal of illegals etc...

For Didge again...

These 3 partys are the ones that your OP article was labelling as 'far right fascists'...

But as you can see... from my quick investigation into them... is they are nothing of the sort...!!!

The only one that describes themselves as 'fascist'... defines themselves as being 'of the left'...!!!

lol!

And last time I checked... preventing and deporting illegal immigrants was a standard policy of ALL governments and political partys around the world!!!

Not a policy that defines any party as being 'far right fascist'!!!

So stop with your bullshit...!!!

Your OP article is full of shit...!!!

Although the only violence it does mention... was by violent left wing thugs attacking a perfectly legal and peaceful organised political event...!!!

Much like what the UAF rent-a-mob of lefty thugs do here in UK against anyone who dares to voice a political opinion that isn't sanctioned by labour party HQ...

So... yes... we know who the real 'fascists' are...!!!

by Guest Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:33 pm

Now can anyone see me label any party other than one group as Far right?

This party?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brothers_of_Italy

So can anyone expplain to me what Tommy is going on about 3 parties?

Did I not make myself clear?

So Tommy's view is only only what he perceices as illegal immigrants

Not anything else right?

You thing people you think illegal should be deported right?

So do you think any white African fleeing africa is illegally in Italy?
Its a simple question Tommy?

Second, how are you going to comat the problem in Italy over more deaths than births in a decade?

I think, will can safetly reason that Tommy is a fasicst racist if he cannot answer.

Cool

by Tommy Monk Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:42 pm

Didge is a pea brained stinky poo head if he can't properly read/understand my posts...

by Andy Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:19 am

Tommy, you are either a Hitler/Mussolini supporting Communist or a Hitler/Mussolini supporting far right Nazi.
Which is it?

by 'Wolfie Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:35 am

Maybe Tommy is planning to relaunch UKIP as a new British fascist party ?!?

All this idiocy over far-right wing idealogies and climate denial could be pure deflection and staged misdirecton on little Timmy's part..

Hiding his evil genius_sitivenessity behind this apparent stupidity, while in truth he's dreaming and plotting to 'Make England Great Again !'

Basketball

by Tommy Monk Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:58 am

Angry Andy wrote:Tommy, you are either a Hitler/Mussolini supporting Communist or a Hitler/Mussolini supporting far right Nazi.
Which is it?

I don't support Hitler or Mussolini... plus communism and nazism were opposing far left ideologies, and I also don't support either of them...

Telling the truth about things is what I support!

Doesn't mean I support those things...

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