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Post by veya_victaous Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:00 am

AMERICAN TV network NBC was forced to fire one of its Olympic analysts after he inexplicably said Koreans are grateful for Japan’s role in their economic development — while ignoring the one-time imperial power’s brutalisation of the peninsula.

The network was left red-faced by the comments of former journalist Joshua Cooper Ramo, who worked as a commentator during coverage of the opening ceremony of the Winter Olympics in PyeongChang.

Japan ruled Korea with an iron fist from 1910 to 1945 in a bloody occupation that still strikes a raw nerve. Koreans around the world criticised Ramo’s remarks on social media and a petition soon circulated online.

“Every Korean will tell you that Japan is a cultural, technological and economic example that has been so important to their own transformation,” said Ramo, who sits on the board of Starbucks and FedEx while working as co-CEO of former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger’s consulting firm.

The Korea Times reported Sunday that the network had planned to use Ramo for other Olympics events — but then had no choice but to axe him.

“It was possible for him to do more with us here, now it is no longer possible,” an NBC official told Korea Times.

Ramo made the comment after noting that Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe was in attendance.

NBC said it’s “grateful” PyeongChang’s organising committee accepted the network’s apology.

NBC didn’t catch the mind-boggling gaffe despite broadcasting the opening ceremonies on tape in the United States — 14 hours after it happened.

The network had no real explanation for the crazy comment other than to say sorry.

“We apologised quickly both in writing and on television for a remark made by one of our presenters during Friday night’s opening ceremony,” according to a 30 Rock statement.

NBC anchor Carolyn Manno had also read a statement on-air Sunday, trying to limit the damage of Ramo’s nonsensical comment.

“We understand the Korean people were insulted by these comments and we apologise,” she said.

Japanese domination of Korea remains a sore point between the two Asian economic powers.

Tokyo only formally lukewarm-apologised two years ago for the sexual enslavement of thousands of Korean women during World War II.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/winter-olympics/olympic-analyst-fired-for-insensitive-remarks-about-korea/news-story/53b60f3f8579bdd8b09c6036b87ec6d8
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Post by 'Wolfie Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:29 am

Shocked

What a clueless dumbfuck that commentator was...

Apparently never heard of the tens of thousands of Korean, Chinese and Vietnamese "comfort women" kept as sex slaves by the Japanese military during the 1930s and '40s..

Let's hope he never gets any more media jobs ?

The fact that a stupid, ignorant and uneducated twat like Joshua Ramo can get over-paid and meaningless directorships and "advisory" roles with big corporations, as reported in this story,  shows one of the big problems with so many big corporations these days --  totally stupid know-nothing twats being put into jobs because of family and/or political connections..

Any wonder that the USA is slipping down the international rankings so fast ?  This year #1,  they will be #2 before 2050,  and most likely 3rd or 4th before the end of the 21st century..  Unless they implode well before then...
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Post by Original Quill Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:15 am

The Rape of Nanking: The Forgotten Holocaust of World War II (1997), by Iris Chang.

But nobody in the Trump administration reads.

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Post by Maddog Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:54 pm

I'm offended by people who work for NBC daily.

Well, to be fair that's not true. I don't watch any NBC news anymore because they say so many dumb things.

Spend a few hours watching MSNBC. Wink
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Post by Cass Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:20 pm

Most American sports commentary is drivel. The Super Bowl this year was dire.

This jerk deserved it. Katie Couric should’ve been given the same treatment.

Americans can be so crass sometimes, especially in regards to history.
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Post by Cass Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:17 am

To be fair HT, you bash those who say things about the British in WW2. You should really read up about the history of Japan invading China and Korea during the same time period. Why shouldn’t the South Koreans feel as outraged as you?
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Post by Guest Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:31 am

Cass wrote:To be fair HT, you bash those who say things about the British in WW2. You should really read up about the history of Japan invading China and Korea during the same time period. Why shouldn’t the South Koreans feel as outraged as you?

Well lets look at the comment here.

Had he said imperial Japan, I could understand, as what happened to the Koreans was appalling.
What I am sure he wwas talking about though is post war Japan, that did through its investment in manufacturing exports. Which did help dramatically help the economies of SouthEast Asia grow.

From the 1970's Japan had an abundance of cash, which they used to invest, offering aid and building factories in South East Asia. After the Plaza Accord Act 1985, which increased the valued of the Yen. Many Japanese companies moved to SouthEast Asia. It helped create a boom in the economies.

So how was it really a poor comment?

Is now what Japan did before and during WW2 only going to be the factor that Korans look at towards Japan in history?

Surely what happened later helped the country.

Like we condemned the Nazis, we should condemn Imperial Japan, but not what Japan did as a Democratic nation.

So why should this commentator have been sacked for being factual?

Why are then people wrongly associating two different points in history?

As many Koreans did benefit from the Japanese investment. Should the Japanese that did help from the 1970's be condemned based on what Imperial Japan did?

Maybe it would have been prudent to say the Japanese from the 1970's.

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Post by Cass Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:47 am

More prudent yes, but there is still a terrible animosity against Japan in SK, and rightly so IMO, as they have only given a very reluctant apology. He should have just kept quiet.
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Post by Guest Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:05 am

Cass wrote:More prudent yes, but there is still a terrible animosity against Japan in SK, and rightly so IMO, as they have only given a very reluctant apology. He should have just kept quiet.


I think he has been harshly and unfairly dealt with here, as people have not understood his meaning. Like i say they have mistook what he was actually talking about. Then others made out because of Imperial Japan's crimes, that the help the Japanese people from the 1970's did, does not count.

Should he have been more clear?

Yes, but I also get where Horatio is coming from on this. As from the 1970's many Koreans certainly benefited from the Japanese. As did their economy.

Did this person set out to deliberately offend anyone here?

No, in ffact the opposite

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Post by Cass Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:13 am

Well I guess we will agree to disagree.

Off to make dinner. Steak with a truffle butter sauce and fried potatoes and green beans.

Plus the cats are climbing all over me as it’s their dinner time too. Makes it difficult to type. I’ve had to redo this twice!

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Post by Guest Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:15 am

Cass wrote:Well I guess we will agree to disagree.

Off to make dinner. Steak with a truffle butter sauce and fried potatoes and green beans.

Plus the cats are climbing all over me as it’s their dinner time too. Makes it difficult to type. I’ve had to redo this twice!

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No problem

You had to rub it in by telling me what you are going to have to eat.

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Post by Original Quill Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:39 am

Cass wrote:Well I guess we will agree to disagree.

Off to make dinner. Steak with a truffle butter sauce and fried potatoes and green beans.

Plus the cats are climbing all over me as it’s their dinner time too. Makes it difficult to type. I’ve had to redo this twice!

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Truffle butter sauce...wow! Nice.

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Post by veya_victaous Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:27 am

Didge wrote:
Cass wrote:To be fair HT, you bash those who say things about the British in WW2. You should really read up about the history of Japan invading China and Korea during the same time period. Why shouldn’t the South Koreans feel as outraged as you?

Well lets look at the comment here.

Had he said imperial Japan, I could understand, as what happened to the Koreans was appalling.
What I am sure he wwas talking about though is post war Japan, that did through its investment in manufacturing exports. Which did help dramatically help the economies of SouthEast Asia grow.

From the 1970's Japan had an abundance of cash, which they used to invest, offering aid and building factories in South East Asia. After the Plaza Accord Act 1985, which increased the valued of the Yen. Many Japanese companies moved to SouthEast Asia. It helped create a boom in the economies.

So how was it really a poor comment?

Is now what Japan did before and during WW2 only going to be the factor that Korans look at towards Japan in history?

Surely what happened later helped the country.

Like we condemned the Nazis, we should condemn Imperial Japan, but not what Japan did as a Democratic nation.

So why should this commentator have been sacked for being factual?

Why are then people wrongly associating two different points in history?

As many Koreans did benefit from the Japanese investment. Should the Japanese that did help from the 1970's be condemned based on what Imperial Japan did?

Maybe it would have been prudent to say the Japanese from the 1970's.

WTF Please never say that to a Korean, or Taiwanese Or Vietnamese silent

you are totally wrong. even till today most of Asia has not forgiven Japan and Japan has Not apologized for crimes against humanity that eclipsed anything the Nazi did (literally the Nazi asked the Japanese to show some humanity)

PLUS the Emperor was still around, how do you think Jews would feel if Hitler was still around and respected in Germany Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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Post by Guest Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:03 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Didge wrote:

Well lets look at the comment here.

Had he said imperial Japan, I could understand, as what happened to the Koreans was appalling.
What I am sure he wwas talking about though is post war Japan, that did through its investment in manufacturing exports. Which did help dramatically help the economies of SouthEast Asia grow.

From the 1970's Japan had an abundance of cash, which they used to invest, offering aid and building factories in South East Asia. After the Plaza Accord Act 1985, which increased the valued of the Yen. Many Japanese companies moved to SouthEast Asia. It helped create a boom in the economies.

So how was it really a poor comment?

Is now what Japan did before and during WW2 only going to be the factor that Korans look at towards Japan in history?

Surely what happened later helped the country.

Like we condemned the Nazis, we should condemn Imperial Japan, but not what Japan did as a Democratic nation.

So why should this commentator have been sacked for being factual?

Why are then people wrongly associating two different points in history?

As many Koreans did benefit from the Japanese investment. Should the Japanese that did help from the 1970's be condemned based on what Imperial Japan did?

Maybe it would have been prudent to say the Japanese from the 1970's.

WTF  Please never say that to a Korean, or Taiwanese Or Vietnamese silent

you are totally wrong. even till today most of Asia has not forgiven Japan and Japan has Not apologized for crimes against humanity that eclipsed anything the Nazi did (literally the Nazi asked the Japanese to show some humanity)

PLUS the Emperor was still around, how do you think Jews would feel if Hitler was still around and respected in Germany Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes


I see the points have gone over your head

Hitler is still respected by some in Germany today, but does that then mean they represent all Germans?

Emphatically no. What you are poorly saying is that all Japanese for all time are criminally responsible for what those within Imperial Japan did. That is just blatantly absurd and guilt by association. Most Japanese and Koreans today, were not around when these crimes by Imperial Japan happened

Most Koreans today, have benefited hugely from what the Japanese did in the 1970's onwards

That is a fact

The Koreans have a right to be angry at what "Imperial Japan" did, just as the Jews, Poles ect do with the "Nazis". That does not mean Germans and Japense today should be the vent of that anger.

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Post by veya_victaous Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:21 am

No what I am saying is that Like the fact you don't Praise Slavers to African Americans,
Anyone with even the Basic social skills knows you don't say shit like that, And that even in another 50 years the victims of the Japanese will still be upset about it. the Japanese Oppression of Korea is a HUGE element of recent Korean History.

AND no the Koreas have fucking NOT!!! that is NOT FACT that is Your made up Bullshit that I can Assure You NOT A SINGLE Korean would agree with!!!
they Earned it themselves often INSPITE of the Japanese that wanted to use them like the American uses Mexicans for cheap labour

You got No Clue mate, Just shut up before you make a bigger disgrace of your self.
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Post by Guest Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:28 am

veya_victaous wrote:No what I am saying is that Like the fact you don't Praise Slavers to African Americans,
Anyone with even the Basic social skills knows you don't say shit like that, And that even in another 50 years the victims of the Japanese will still be upset about it. the Japanese Oppression of Korea is a HUGE element of recent Korean History.

AND no the Koreas have fucking NOT!!!  that is NOT FACT that is Your made up Bullshit that I can Assure You NOT A SINGLE Korean would agree with!!!
they Earned it themselves often INSPITE of the Japanese that wanted to use them like the American uses Mexicans for cheap labour

You got No Clue mate, Just shut up before you make a bigger disgrace of your self.


Again you are doing guilt by association

It was Imperial Japan that committed these crimes, not the Japanese from the 1970's onwards

It is a fact that the Koreans benefited in Jobs and their economy from the 1970's onwards

That is a historical fact

Dont tell me to shut up you pathetic little dick

I am not a hateful vengeful moron like you 

Lets take your stupidity further

I am half Irish, who have suffered centuries of oppression and murdered under the British and English before them.

Do I hate the English and British people for this today?

No

Do I hate those who committed these crimes in the past?

Yes

The IRA murdered two of my uncles

Does that mean I should hate the Irish?

No

I hate the IRA, as I do the Prodestant terrorist groups

My Maltese family were starved and faced the longest consistant bombing over 3 years, by the Italians and Germans.

Does that mean I hate the Germans and Italians of today?

No

I hate the Nazi's and Italian Fascists that did this?

I have benefited from being raised in this country, that means I have benefited from the English

In other words, you want to hold onto hate between two peoples that has long since past

You help people move on and become one at peace, not maintain and fuel a hate

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Post by veya_victaous Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:38 am

No, You are wrong. this is not a debate and your opinion of morals is TOTALLY IRRELAVENT. Again would you say the same to an African American? Would you say the Same to Mexican that they should be grateful for all the Sweatshops the US opened down there?

Koreans didn't Benefit from Japanese Good will after the 1970's. Japan tried to use them as Sweatshop 'slave' labour. the Fact that Korean Made something of it's self was INSPITE of the Japanese.

and NO to all of the irrelevant stuff you posted. it is not just about Imperial Japan anyway. it is also 1970's 1980's hell EVEN modern Japan's attitude (out right Racism) towards Koreans.
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Post by Guest Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:44 am

veya_victaous wrote:No, You are wrong. this is not a debate and your opinion of morals is TOTALLY IRRELAVENT. Again would you say the same to an African American? Would you say the Same to Mexican that they should be grateful for all the Sweatshops the US opened down there?

Koreans didn't Benefit from Japanese Good will after the 1970's. Japan tried to use them as Sweatshop 'slave' labour. the Fact that Korean Made something of it's self was INSPITE of the Japanese.

and NO to all of the irrelevant stuff you posted. it is not just about Imperial Japan anyway. it is also 1970's 1980's hell EVEN modern Japan's attitude (out right Racism) towards Koreans.


Just because you claim I am wrong, does not mean I am wrong

Yes and no, I would say to an African American she has benefited from the America, far more than an African does from Africa. If they were born after the civil rights movement and in the North. As she was not born into slavery. Those in the South and born before civil rights, I would say they still are not benefitting.

I would tell a Mexican, where he fled Mexico for a better life in the US, that America has benefited him.

That is a no brainer

The Koreans vastly benefited and the economy is proof of that today

Oh wow, so now all these things that happened to my ethnic groups have no relevance

Priceless

You do not speak for the Koreans either

You want to keep people divided by the past

That is not learning by the past, but continuing that same hate from the past

It shows you learn nothing from history

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Post by HoratioTarr Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:48 am

Cass wrote:To be fair HT, you bash those who say things about the British in WW2. You should really read up about the history of Japan invading China and Korea during the same time period. Why shouldn’t the South Koreans feel as outraged as you?

I only say things in support of those who died in the war, when others are criticising their bravery and what they died for. We could all keep bashing the Germans for what they did in WW2 but what's the point? It's done and dusted and whilst we should never forget, and learn from past wars there's little to be gained from perpetually picking at the scab and regenerating the outrage at the slightest faux pas.

Do you see us screeching on about Hitler when Germany has held the EU whip over our heads?

I know all about the Nanking atrocities. Don't forget that the Japs were equally geranium to British POWS and other prisoners.

Have you read up about South Korean war crimes, BTW?




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Post by HoratioTarr Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:55 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Didge wrote:

Well lets look at the comment here.

Had he said imperial Japan, I could understand, as what happened to the Koreans was appalling.
What I am sure he wwas talking about though is post war Japan, that did through its investment in manufacturing exports. Which did help dramatically help the economies of SouthEast Asia grow.

From the 1970's Japan had an abundance of cash, which they used to invest, offering aid and building factories in South East Asia. After the Plaza Accord Act 1985, which increased the valued of the Yen. Many Japanese companies moved to SouthEast Asia. It helped create a boom in the economies.

So how was it really a poor comment?

Is now what Japan did before and during WW2 only going to be the factor that Korans look at towards Japan in history?

Surely what happened later helped the country.

Like we condemned the Nazis, we should condemn Imperial Japan, but not what Japan did as a Democratic nation.

So why should this commentator have been sacked for being factual?

Why are then people wrongly associating two different points in history?

As many Koreans did benefit from the Japanese investment. Should the Japanese that did help from the 1970's be condemned based on what Imperial Japan did?

Maybe it would have been prudent to say the Japanese from the 1970's.

WTF  Please never say that to a Korean, or Taiwanese Or Vietnamese silent

you are totally wrong. even till today most of Asia has not forgiven Japan and Japan has Not apologized for crimes against humanity that eclipsed anything the Nazi did (literally the Nazi asked the Japanese to show some humanity)

PLUS the Emperor was still around, how do you think Jews would feel if Hitler was still around and respected in Germany Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

June 22, 1965: Minister of Foreign Affairs Shiina Etsusaburo said to the people of South Korea: "In our two countries' long history there have been unfortunate times, it is truly regrettable and we are deeply remorseful" (Signing of the Treaty on Basic Relations between Japan and South Korea)

September 29, 1972: Prime Minister Kakuei Tanaka said to the people of the People's Republic of China: "The Japanese side is keenly conscious of the responsibility for the serious damage that Japan caused in the past to the Chinese people through war, and deeply reproaches itself. Further, the Japanese side reaffirms its position that it intends to realize the normalization of relations between the two countries from the stand of fully understanding 'the three principles for the restoration of relations' put forward by the Government of the People's Republic of China. The Chinese side expresses its welcome for this" (Joint Communique of the Government of Japan and the Government of the People's Republic of China).[8]

August 26, 1982: Chief Cabinet Secretary Kiichi Miyazawa said to the people of the Republic of Korea: "1. The Japanese Government and the Japanese people are deeply aware of the fact that acts by our country in the past caused tremendous suffering and damage to the peoples of Asian countries, including the Republic of Korea (ROK) and China, and have followed the path of a pacifist state with remorse and determination that such acts must never be repeated. Japan has recognized, in the Japan-ROK Joint Communique, of 1965, that the 'past relations are regrettable, and Japan feels deep remorse,' and in the Japan-China Joint Communique, that Japan is 'keenly conscious of the responsibility for the serious damage that Japan caused in the past to the Chinese people through war and deeply reproaches itself.' These statements confirm Japan's remorse and determination which I stated above and this recognition has not changed at all to this day.

April 18, 1990: Minister of Foreign Affairs Taro Nakayama said to the people of South Korea: "Japan is deeply sorry for the tragedy in which these (Korean) people were moved to Sakhalin not of their own free will but by the design of the Japanese government and had to remain there after the conclusion of the war" (188th National Diet Session Lower House Committee of Foreign Affairs)

May 25, 1990: Prime Minister Toshiki Kaifu, in a meeting with President Roh Tae Woo, said: "I would like to take the opportunity here to humbly reflect upon how the people of the Korean Peninsula went through unbearable pain and sorrow as a result of our country's actions during a certain period in the past and to express that we are sorry" (Summit meeting with President Roh Tae Woo in Japan)

December 7, 2010: Prime Minister Naoto Kan apologized for Korea's suffering under colonization as part of a statement marking the 100th anniversary of the annexation in 1910. "I express a renewed feeling of deep remorse and state my heartfelt apology for the tremendous damage and suffering caused by colonial rule," Kan said. Kan said Japan colonized Korea "against the will of the Korean people" who suffered great damage to their national pride and loss of culture and sovereignty as a result and added that he wants to take an honest look at his country's past with the courage and humility to address its history.



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Post by HoratioTarr Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:58 am

How many times do you want them to apologise?
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Post by nicko Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:07 pm

Just as an aside, in Japanese prison camps in WW2 the Korean guards were as guilty as the Japs for brutality.
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Post by Guest Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:11 pm

nicko wrote:Just as an aside,   in Japanese prison camps in WW2 the Korean guards were as guilty as the Japs for brutality.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/11220761/British-ex-POW-in-Japanese-camp-disgusted-by-guard-demands-for-compensation.html

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Post by Cass Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:39 pm

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Cass wrote:To be fair HT, you bash those who say things about the British in WW2. You should really read up about the history of Japan invading China and Korea during the same time period. Why shouldn’t the South Koreans feel as outraged as you?

I only say things in support of those who died in the war, when others are criticising their bravery and what they died for.        We could all keep bashing the Germans for what they did in WW2 but what's the point?   It's done and dusted and whilst we should never forget, and learn from past wars there's little to be gained from perpetually picking at the scab and regenerating the outrage at the slightest faux pas.

Do you see us screeching on about Hitler when Germany has held the EU  whip over our heads?

I know all about the Nanking atrocities.   Don't forget that the Japs were equally geranium to British POWS and other prisoners.  

Have you read up about South Korean war crimes, BTW?





I think the difference is that the Germans apologized and showed genuine remorse. The Japanese didn’t.

Yes People are still screeching about Hitler, even more so since Brexit first became an issue. People still call them the Huns, sing the dam busters theme at sporting fixtures, stereotype ad naseum.

There were plenty of ex-POW protestors in Britain when the Japanese emperor came to visit. Were they pearl clutches?

Yes I know about the war crimes committed by SK. And thecUS, and Britain, and Russia etc...

Would love to discuss more but have to get ready for work and it’s my late night. Maybe later? Have a good rest of your day.
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Post by 'Wolfie Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:46 pm

Idea

"South Korean war crimes" !?!

Another deflective round of irrelevant trash-talikng from racist pig/white supremacist Horatio..

So, H/T, tell us again why so many native peoples should be thankful to their colonial masters for introducing civilisation to those 'orrible savages !

Bugger the genocide, the exploitation, the rape and pillage..
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Post by veya_victaous Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:37 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:How many times do you want them to apologise?

MORE, and actually mean it.
Even Then it is up to the Koreans to Accept it, they are entitled to be upset.
Plus Germany was split into and Totally taken over After WW2, Japan was not.
And as Cass Said, the UK hasn't forgiven Germans entirely either and the UK has a lot less to complain about.

AND
there is a BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE
between forgiving them and being told You are Grateful to them.
and decades of national transformation to reach success is
written off and it's "thanks to the Japanese for opening Sweatshops"

It's NOT just WW2 but also Japans actions for the past 50 years, they have and still do Exploit other Asian nations for cheap labour.
to regional Opinion on Japan is like the Central American Opinion of the USA.
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