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No Straight White Men Allowed At Labours Equality Conference
You’d have thought they might have learned their lesson after the Equalities and Human Rights Commission found Labour guilty of “unlawful discrimination” a few weeks back…
UPDATE: Tory MP Andrew Bridgen comments:
“Labour are a divisive Party who want to divide people into victim groups. They have not learnt from the Equalities Commission ruling last month regarding their discriminatory attempt to sell tickets for their East Midlands Conference at different prices based on ethnicity. Now they are banning white male heterosexuals from attending their Equalities Conference. They seem to believe that white, male heterosexuals have nothing to contribute to the subject of Equality. It seems that in La La Labour land everyone is equal but some are more equal than others.”
And James Cleverly adds:
“This is yet another example of discrimination by Labour.
“Their lazy assumption that straight white men can’t fight for equality is shocking. It is essential that political parties represent each and every person irrespective of race, sexuality or age.
“The Labour Party should take action now to ensure that this discrimination comes to an end.”
https://order-order.com/2018/02/11/no-straight-white-men-allowed-labour-equalities-conference/
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It's a private club.
I can't join the Black Panthers.
I can't join the Black Panthers.
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it's not a private club, it is a Political party.
and pretty dumb that you can't join the black panthers.
it's still discrimination based on Race, so it's wrong.
and pretty dumb that you can't join the black panthers.
it's still discrimination based on Race, so it's wrong.
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veya_victaous wrote:it's not a private club, it is a Political party.
and pretty dumb that you can't join the black panthers.
it's still discrimination based on Race, so it's wrong.
Hey Einstein. What's the first fucking word in Black Panthers?
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Maddog wrote:veya_victaous wrote:it's not a private club, it is a Political party.
and pretty dumb that you can't join the black panthers.
it's still discrimination based on Race, so it's wrong.
Hey Einstein. What's the first fucking word in Black Panthers?
The
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Maddog wrote:veya_victaous wrote:it's not a private club, it is a Political party.
and pretty dumb that you can't join the black panthers.
it's still discrimination based on Race, so it's wrong.
Hey Einstein. What's the first fucking word in Black Panthers?
and?
you can't support Black rights?
Do you think Racial Discrimination is Fair?
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Didge wrote:Maddog wrote:
Hey Einstein. What's the first fucking word in Black Panthers?
The
Well, had I typed it correctly, you would be correct.
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Didge wrote:Maddog wrote:veya_victaous wrote:it's not a private club, it is a Political party.
and pretty dumb that you can't join the black panthers.
it's still discrimination based on Race, so it's wrong.
Hey Einstein. What's the first fucking word in Black Panthers?
The
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Maddog wrote:Didge wrote:
The
Well, had I typed it correctly, you would be correct.
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veya_victaous wrote:Maddog wrote:
Hey Einstein. What's the first fucking word in Black Panthers?
and?
you can't support Black rights?
Do you think Racial Discrimination is Fair?
Sure, I could join any number of organizations that fight for equal rights.
The Black Panthers isn't one of those however. It would be like a black man joining the Klan.
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Maddog wrote:veya_victaous wrote:Maddog wrote:
Hey Einstein. What's the first fucking word in Black Panthers?
and?
you can't support Black rights?
Do you think Racial Discrimination is Fair?
Sure, I could join any number of organizations that fight for equal rights.
The Black Panthers isn't one of those however. It would be like a black man joining the Klan.
So you answered your own Question?.... Just like the KKK the Black Panthers are Racists,
So both need to change to end racism, why don't you do your part and go sign up for the Black Panthers
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That's ridiculous...
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It's not a private club...
Also, private clubs are not allowed to discriminate on race/gender/sexuality/disability etc...
Except when they bar entry to white/male/heterosexuals it seems...
All in the name of equality...!!!
Also, private clubs are not allowed to discriminate on race/gender/sexuality/disability etc...
Except when they bar entry to white/male/heterosexuals it seems...
All in the name of equality...!!!
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Straight white men may well have issues with equality too, so they should be included. It's kind of funny that anyone is excluded from an Equalities conference though.
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I laughed, where's the equality for straight white men.
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veya_victaous wrote:Maddog wrote:
Sure, I could join any number of organizations that fight for equal rights.
The Black Panthers isn't one of those however. It would be like a black man joining the Klan.
So you answered your own Question?.... Just like the KKK the Black Panthers are Racists,
So both need to change to end racism, why don't you do your part and go sign up for the Black Panthers
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I do my part. Ignore the fools that want to join the Klan or the Black Panthers.
And I watch a little Chappelle now and then. .
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magica wrote:I laughed, where's the equality for straight white men.
It doesn't do to be part of the majority nowadays.
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Now, lets see.
LABOUR PARTY MEMBERS put forward suggestions and we run the Party. If enough members agree with the suggestion, it gets taken up.
The suggestion was put forward that there should be Equalities Officers to make sure that the main groups that suffer from inequality should have a voice. It was also decided that they should come from Young Labour, so that they could give the most up to date views and know that we valued their opinions.
So, guess what, it was decided that those who were are risk of suffering the inequality should be the ones to be Equality Officers, so a conference was called where they could have a voice and vote as to which of them would take the positions.
Simple really, making sure those that suffer from inequality have a voice.
So, what are the Cons doing about enequality? Fuck all.
As for James Cleverly, he's the most unCleverly person around, and you only have to speak his name for people to burst out laughing..
And of course, James Cleverly and Andrew Bridgen both voted to take £30 a week from disabled people. Their remit is to make sure the inequality is entrenched.
LABOUR PARTY MEMBERS put forward suggestions and we run the Party. If enough members agree with the suggestion, it gets taken up.
The suggestion was put forward that there should be Equalities Officers to make sure that the main groups that suffer from inequality should have a voice. It was also decided that they should come from Young Labour, so that they could give the most up to date views and know that we valued their opinions.
So, guess what, it was decided that those who were are risk of suffering the inequality should be the ones to be Equality Officers, so a conference was called where they could have a voice and vote as to which of them would take the positions.
Simple really, making sure those that suffer from inequality have a voice.
So, what are the Cons doing about enequality? Fuck all.
As for James Cleverly, he's the most unCleverly person around, and you only have to speak his name for people to burst out laughing..
And of course, James Cleverly and Andrew Bridgen both voted to take £30 a week from disabled people. Their remit is to make sure the inequality is entrenched.
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Tommy Monk wrote:It's not a private club...
Really? What branch of government do political parties come under? Home Department?
And...isn't that a conflict of interest? Can the government dictate the platform of the Labour Party? Tory Party? If the political parties determine the government; and the government dictates to the political parties, who makes policy? The Illuminati?
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Original Quill wrote:Tommy Monk wrote:It's not a private club...
Really? What branch of government do political parties come under? Home Department?
And...isn't that a conflict of interest? Can the government dictate the platform of the Labour Party? Tory Party? If the political parties determine the government; and the government dictates to the political parties, who makes policy? The Illuminati?
The Labour Party sets it's own agenda and can decide which way they want to do it. Would that it was the same for the Cons.
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The very same thing happened years ago to Licensed Black Taxi drivers.
Financial help was offered to the public if they wanted to do The London Knowledge.
But only if you wasn’t a white, English male.
Financial help was offered to the public if they wanted to do The London Knowledge.
But only if you wasn’t a white, English male.
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eddie wrote:The very same thing happened years ago to Licensed Black Taxi drivers.
Financial help was offered to the public if they wanted to do The London Knowledge.
But only if you wasn’t a white, English male.
In my experience the council run hackney cabs are very one sided in who they like to give free plates and help to.
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Original Quill wrote:Tommy Monk wrote:It's not a private club...
Really? What branch of government do political parties come under? Home Department?
And...isn't that a conflict of interest? Can the government dictate the platform of the Labour Party? Tory Party? If the political parties determine the government; and the government dictates to the political parties, who makes policy? The Illuminati?
Are you saying it is a private club, or it isn't...?
Don't you think it is a tad hypocritical for a political party who constantly bang on about 'fairness/equality/diversity/inclusivity' etc, and how much it doesn't matter what any persons 'gender/race/ethnicity/sexuality/age/disability' etc might be, as all are treated the same by that political party etc... but for them to then openly/actively set a criteria of discrimination based on 'gender/race/ethnicity/sexuality/age/disability'...!!!??
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sassy wrote:Now, lets see.
LABOUR PARTY MEMBERS put forward suggestions and we run the Party. If enough members agree with the suggestion, it gets taken up.
The suggestion was put forward that there should be Equalities Officers to make sure that the main groups that suffer from inequality should have a voice. It was also decided that they should come from Young Labour, so that they could give the most up to date views and know that we valued their opinions.
So, guess what, it was decided that those who were are risk of suffering the inequality should be the ones to be Equality Officers, so a conference was called where they could have a voice and vote as to which of them would take the positions.
Simple really, making sure those that suffer from inequality have a voice.
Firstly... try googling 'white british boys disadvantaged'... you'll find that even Trevor Phillips has a lot to say about it!!!
So where are the disadvantaged young white British boys representation at this labour party event...!?
Where is the fairness and equality...!?
They won't forget labours treachery and discrimination against them when they get to the polling booths, that's for sure!!!
And everybody else with any decency can see the twisted and evil agenda that infects and permeates throughout the labour party today and which has grown and spread over recent years like a particularly nasty and virilant dose of syphilis... causing blindness, deafness, dementia, visible ugly sores... and will eventually result in their death!!!
And to think that the labour party were once the party standing up for the British working class people...!!!???
Now they are more like a rabid dog in the family home, snarling and snapping and attacking all those who have loved and nurtured it, fed and looked after it all its life...!!!
Yet in what's left of the confused/deluded/deranged/dangerous mind of the lefty... they still think that they are right, and that they are doing the right thing...!!!
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sassy wrote:Original Quill wrote:
Really? What branch of government do political parties come under? Home Department?
And...isn't that a conflict of interest? Can the government dictate the platform of the Labour Party? Tory Party? If the political parties determine the government; and the government dictates to the political parties, who makes policy? The Illuminati?
The Labour Party sets it's own agenda and can decide which way they want to do it. Would that it was the same for the Cons.
Labour has pulled its concessionary price for ethnic minority conference attendees after the Equalities and Human Rights Commission swooped. The controversial £30 ticket option for BAME attendees at Labour’s East Midlands Conference has now disappeared from the party’s website. New BAME attendees will now have to buy a standard visitor pass which costs £40. Bit harsh…
UPDATE: EHRC says it was unlawful:
https://order-order.com/2018/01/23/labour-hikes-ethnic-minority-ticket-prices/
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sassy wrote:Now, lets see.
LABOUR PARTY MEMBERS put forward suggestions and we run the Party. If enough members agree with the suggestion, it gets taken up.
The suggestion was put forward that there should be Equalities Officers to make sure that the main groups that suffer from inequality should have a voice. It was also decided that they should come from Young Labour, so that they could give the most up to date views and know that we valued their opinions.
So, guess what, it was decided that those who were are risk of suffering the inequality should be the ones to be Equality Officers, so a conference was called where they could have a voice and vote as to which of them would take the positions.
Simple really, making sure those that suffer from inequality have a voice.
So, what are the Cons doing about enequality? Fuck all.
As for James Cleverly, he's the most unCleverly person around, and you only have to speak his name for people to burst out laughing..
And of course, James Cleverly and Andrew Bridgen both voted to take £30 a week from disabled people. Their remit is to make sure the inequality is entrenched.
So the Labour party does not care about white minorities then?
Like the Polish
Irish
Jews
Romanian
Italian
German
Ect
How about homeless people?
The vast majority are white males
Do they not count?
How about suicide rates?
The vast majority are men
Do they not count?
Equality means including everyone, hence why Labour is now more racist and sexist than any other group, by elevating some groups above all others.
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Didge has a good point
White men are not a homogenous group it is incredibly racist to put all white men in the same category.
It's like saying Indians, Africans and Aboriginals are all the same because of their skin colour.
SO Labour are effectively 'Part of the Issue' and Will never make any ground on equality as they perpetuate it.
Sorry Sassy, All your post points out is Labour members are Racists. they Voted to Pursue a Racist Discriminatory policy, their intention is Irrelevant ask the Aboriginals of the stolen generation what good intentions are worth.
White men are not a homogenous group it is incredibly racist to put all white men in the same category.
It's like saying Indians, Africans and Aboriginals are all the same because of their skin colour.
SO Labour are effectively 'Part of the Issue' and Will never make any ground on equality as they perpetuate it.
Sorry Sassy, All your post points out is Labour members are Racists. they Voted to Pursue a Racist Discriminatory policy, their intention is Irrelevant ask the Aboriginals of the stolen generation what good intentions are worth.
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veya_victaous wrote:Didge has a good point
White men are not a homogenous group it is incredibly racist to put all white men in the same category.
It's like saying Indians, Africans and Aboriginals are all the same because of their skin colour.
SO Labour are effectively 'Part of the Issue' and Will never make any ground on equality as they perpetuate it.
Sorry Sassy, All your post points out is Labour members are Racists. they Voted to Pursue a Racist Discriminatory policy, their intention is Irrelevant ask the Aboriginals of the stolen generation what good intentions are worth.
Veya, you ain't often ridiculous, but you are here. So, recognising that a particular group of people (and BTW, that group includes YOUNG WHITE DISABLED AND YOUNG WHITE GAY OR TRANS etc) have a problem and help them to come up with REPRESENTATIVES to put forward their case is wrong? In which case, why did Australia have the Joint Select Committee on Constitutional Recognition of. Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander People? or why did the UN have United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities etc etc.
What you don't seem to get, is that those Equalities Officers will be part of a Committee that will look at all aspects of inequality, but will be representing the troubles faced by those particular groups.
Kinda reminds me of this:
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Is this about minorities or "disadvantaged" people? Women aren't a minority and they're not disadvantaged these days.
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And there you have it from Sassy, some of the most mind boggling nonsense I have ever heard to endorse discrimination and prejudice.
All the groups I meantioned cannot have a voice, even more worryingly this includes Jews, who suffer many hate crimes.
They cannot be represented due to being white and another example how Labour whitewashes antisemitism.
Sassy is ill concened Gypsies and Roma is 12 years lower than the rest of the population in lif expectancy and infant mortality is 3 times higher. They cannot be represented, due to being white.
As seen equality means involving all people from all walks of life and the best people for the job. The lunacy of left wishes to go against laws on equality and actively discriminate against many groups of white people, based on no valid reasons
All the groups I meantioned cannot have a voice, even more worryingly this includes Jews, who suffer many hate crimes.
They cannot be represented due to being white and another example how Labour whitewashes antisemitism.
Sassy is ill concened Gypsies and Roma is 12 years lower than the rest of the population in lif expectancy and infant mortality is 3 times higher. They cannot be represented, due to being white.
As seen equality means involving all people from all walks of life and the best people for the job. The lunacy of left wishes to go against laws on equality and actively discriminate against many groups of white people, based on no valid reasons
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Gypsies and Jews can go if they're female, or identify as female.
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Raggamuffin wrote:Gypsies and Jews can go if they're female, or identify as female.
But not as men.
Why are they not equally both able to go to a talk on equality.
To deny one is sexism
What labour are saying is many white males have not the ability to tackle inequality
Which is plain gibberish
Its plain and out right discrimination.
Its not tackling inequality, but promoting it
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Didge wrote:And there you have it from Sassy, some of the most mind boggling nonsense I have ever heard to endorse discrimination and prejudice.
All the groups I meantioned cannot have a voice, even more worryingly this includes Jews, who suffer many hate crimes.
They cannot be represented due to being white and another example how Labour whitewashes antisemitism.
Sassy is ill concened Gypsies and Roma is 12 years lower than the rest of the population in lif expectancy and infant mortality is 3 times higher. They cannot be represented, due to being white.
As seen equality means involving all people from all walks of life and the best people for the job. The lunacy of left wishes to go against laws on equality and actively discriminate against many groups of white people, based on no valid reasons
Oh dear, thought I would have a laugh and read one of the arrogant one's posts. And a laugh it is. Now Dodge, what part if BAME don't you understand. That would be Black Asian and ETHNIC MINORITIES, ie people like Roma, Jews etc DOH. White men are very well represented in every other committee,in fact some would say, over represented. It's called balancing the scales and giving everyone a voice, something the Cons don't give a shit about, they only represent the Haves, which is why they are going down the pan. Labour already have more members than all the other parties put together and within a few days Momentum will have more members than the Con Party, and every one if those members has a voice in what we do, unlike the Cons who are told what to do. Now you are back on ignore, one bit of dumbfuckery is quite enough fir this month.
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Oh well, people will make up their own minds about this issue. If they don't like it, they can choose not to vote for Labour on the grounds that the party is divisive and/or racist/sexist.
I think it's all a bit silly because any one person from those groups aren't necessarily treated with inequality. Perhaps it would be best to invite people who feel they have been discriminated against what whatever reason.
I think it's all a bit silly because any one person from those groups aren't necessarily treated with inequality. Perhaps it would be best to invite people who feel they have been discriminated against what whatever reason.
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sassy wrote:Didge wrote:And there you have it from Sassy, some of the most mind boggling nonsense I have ever heard to endorse discrimination and prejudice.
All the groups I meantioned cannot have a voice, even more worryingly this includes Jews, who suffer many hate crimes.
They cannot be represented due to being white and another example how Labour whitewashes antisemitism.
Sassy is ill concened Gypsies and Roma is 12 years lower than the rest of the population in lif expectancy and infant mortality is 3 times higher. They cannot be represented, due to being white.
As seen equality means involving all people from all walks of life and the best people for the job. The lunacy of left wishes to go against laws on equality and actively discriminate against many groups of white people, based on no valid reasons
Oh dear, thought I would have a laugh and read one of the arrogant one's posts. And a laugh it is. Now Dodge, what part if BAME don't you understand. That would be Black Asian and ETHNIC MINORITIES, ie people like Roma, Jews etc DOH. White men are very well represented in every other committee,in fact some would say, over represented. It's called balancing the scales and giving everyone a voice, something the Cons don't give a shit about, they only represent the Haves, which is why they are going down the pan. Labour already have more members than all the other parties put together and within a few days Momentum will have more members than the Con Party, and every one if those members has a voice in what we do, unlike the Cons who are told what to do. Now you are back on ignore, one bit of dumbfuckery is quite enough fir this month.
I see someone does not understand our own language
BAME
ABBREVIATION
British
Black, Asian, and minority ethnic (used to refer to members of non-white communities in the UK).
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/bame
They even admit to this discrimination, so how badly have you been caught lying?
A Labour spokeswoman defended the exclusion of straight white men, saying: "There is nothing new about spaces for people with protected characteristics meeting to discuss the inequalities and obstacles they face.
"The purpose of this conference is to ensure that members from disadvantaged groups are able to elect representatives to Young Labour's National Committee."
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/labour-excludes-straight-white-men-equality-conference-1660599
So clearly white males from ethnic minotities are clearly excluded
All I see is the rise of one hell of a socialist sexist, racist party
Its why again Labour has been reported for this
Just as they were on the other issue is placing cheaper prices seen above
It also proves you are disingenious, as why have BMEA, women, disabled, trans, when you would have no need to specifically state these groups, unless you were speficially denying certain ones. In other words discriminating agianst specifically straight white men as a group. Even many on the left on here are condemning this, except you.
You even argued in favour of this discrimination and now back track and claim its welcoming to all
You need to make your mind up
Also have a read
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/22/black-asian-minority-ethnic-bame-bme-trevor-phillips-racial-minorities
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Protected characteristics? Does that not include being white and male then?
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It would be interesting to learn how Sassy and the rest of her po-faced, selectively politically correct Left Wing elite colleagues would react to my own Cromwell Association associastes organising a convention to celebrate the life and political and religious convictions of our historic hero by informing black gay men that they "need not apply."
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I fear, Nicko, that you have just invited a brick through your window or a barrage of hate messages on social media.
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Raggamuffin wrote:Protected characteristics? Does that not include being white and male then?
No.
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sassy wrote:veya_victaous wrote:Didge has a good point
White men are not a homogenous group it is incredibly racist to put all white men in the same category.
It's like saying Indians, Africans and Aboriginals are all the same because of their skin colour.
SO Labour are effectively 'Part of the Issue' and Will never make any ground on equality as they perpetuate it.
Sorry Sassy, All your post points out is Labour members are Racists. they Voted to Pursue a Racist Discriminatory policy, their intention is Irrelevant ask the Aboriginals of the stolen generation what good intentions are worth.
Veya, you ain't often ridiculous, but you are here. So, recognising that a particular group of people (and BTW, that group includes YOUNG WHITE DISABLED AND YOUNG WHITE GAY OR TRANS etc) have a problem and help them to come up with REPRESENTATIVES to put forward their case is wrong? In which case, why did Australia have the Joint Select Committee on Constitutional Recognition of. Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander People? or why did the UN have United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities etc etc.
What you don't seem to get, is that those Equalities Officers will be part of a Committee that will look at all aspects of inequality, but will be representing the troubles faced by those particular groups.
Kinda reminds me of this:
Not the same as this is not representing Specific group
it is Not an Officer for the Equality of Disabled or an Officer for the Equality of Indigenous etc
And even with what little I know about the UK
Polish Men seem MORE discriminated against than Anglo Women.
Even in their attempt to Bundle all their Minorities together they have been discriminatory.
what do the Gays or disabled or Africans have in common? they are Not discriminated against in the same way all they have in common is being in a minority group AND being in minority group SHOULD NOT define an individuals social and political status. that is literally the point of pursuing Equality.
this is 20+ years out of date. this sort of poor attempt at dealing with issues of inequality is already known to be the 'bad old way from the bad old days' (the old days being the 90's )
YES it is WRONG because they effort should be put into making them Representatives of the Community, Not Isolating these groups as 'Different' from the mainstream community. the policy should be towards actually addressing inequality by fostering equality, not adding another layer of separation.
IF labour really wanted to address inequality it could start by putting up these people for parliament, Like the Aussie Greens and the Youngest senator (who happens to also be disabled)
https://www.msn.com/en-au/video/downtime/greens-jordon-steele-john-becomes-australias-youngest-senator/vp-BBEN6NT
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4968462/Poor-white-boys-new-oppressed.html
Google... 'white british boys disadvantaged'
Google... 'white british boys disadvantaged'
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EQUALITIES COMMISSION WARN LABOUR BANNING STRAIGHT WHITE MEN COULD BE “UNLAWFUL DISCRIMINATION”
Labour have been rebuked again by the Equalities and Human Rights Commission for banning straight white men from their Equalities conference. The EHRC warns this could even be “unlawful discrimination”. Certainly seems that barring people from voting on party positions because of their race seems unwise. This is the second time Labour have been told off by the EHRC in three weeks. Lot of Labour pundits who vocally defended the party on this looking a bit silly now…
https://order-order.com/2018/02/14/equalties-commission-warn-labour-banning-straight-white-men-could-be-unlawful-discrimination/
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Let me try to explain this equality shit - which TBH should really be renamed ''fairness'' or "parity'' , instead of ''equality'' ... to ward off all the usual smug forum jokes, and taunts of irony blah blah.
Sometimes this drive for ''equality'' [between genders, sexualities, ethnicities or whatever] is quite simply a question of 'playing catchup'. I can probably best explain it with an analogy, which I've come up with.
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ANALOGY:
OK, imagine an affluent banker decides to send his twins away for 2years to boarding school. 1 boy & 1 girl. He issues instructions to his accountant to pay in £100 per month into each one's separate account, as pocket money, for the entire 2 year period.
OK? so far so good!
Unfortunately, the accountant discovered he'd mistakenly paid only £80 into the girl's account during the entire first year. The boy had beeen getting the correct amount, the full sum of £100 per month.
So to REDRESS this problem, the accountant decides that the girl gets an extra £20 per month during the entiree second year, [to correct the deficit that she unwittingly suffered during the first 12 months] ... in addition to the intended sum of £100 per month which the dad ordered. So she now receives £120 per month in total ..... whilst the boy of course carries on recieving the usual £100 payment during the second year.
When the boy accidentally discovers that the girl was getting £120 per month, he becomes outraged and makes a terrible fuss about the ''irony '' of equality .... refusing point blank into take into account the error that had gone on before. He is either congenitally retarded or being disingenuous.
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This attitude is what I see all around me on forums - very bemusing indeed lol.
Sometimes this drive for ''equality'' [between genders, sexualities, ethnicities or whatever] is quite simply a question of 'playing catchup'. I can probably best explain it with an analogy, which I've come up with.
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ANALOGY:
OK, imagine an affluent banker decides to send his twins away for 2years to boarding school. 1 boy & 1 girl. He issues instructions to his accountant to pay in £100 per month into each one's separate account, as pocket money, for the entire 2 year period.
OK? so far so good!
Unfortunately, the accountant discovered he'd mistakenly paid only £80 into the girl's account during the entire first year. The boy had beeen getting the correct amount, the full sum of £100 per month.
So to REDRESS this problem, the accountant decides that the girl gets an extra £20 per month during the entiree second year, [to correct the deficit that she unwittingly suffered during the first 12 months] ... in addition to the intended sum of £100 per month which the dad ordered. So she now receives £120 per month in total ..... whilst the boy of course carries on recieving the usual £100 payment during the second year.
When the boy accidentally discovers that the girl was getting £120 per month, he becomes outraged and makes a terrible fuss about the ''irony '' of equality .... refusing point blank into take into account the error that had gone on before. He is either congenitally retarded or being disingenuous.
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This attitude is what I see all around me on forums - very bemusing indeed lol.
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Btw, the so called 'straight white men' should defo be allowed to join. If they
express a desire to join, that is surely a good thing!
express a desire to join, that is surely a good thing!
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Jules wrote:Let me try to explain this equality shit - which TBH should really be renamed ''fairness'' or "parity'' , instead of ''equality'' ... to ward off all the usual smug forum jokes, and taunts of irony blah blah.
Sometimes this drive for ''equality'' [between genders, sexualities, ethnicities or whatever] is quite simply a question of 'playing catchup'. I can probably best explain it with an analogy, which I've come up with.
-------------------------------------------------
ANALOGY:
OK, imagine an affluent banker decides to send his twins away for 2years to boarding school. 1 boy & 1 girl. He issues instructions to his accountant to pay in £100 per month into each one's separate account, as pocket money, for the entire 2 year period.
OK? so far so good!
Unfortunately, the accountant discovered he'd mistakenly paid only £80 into the girl's account during the entire first year. The boy had beeen getting the correct amount, the full sum of £100 per month.
So to REDRESS this problem, the accountant decides that the girl gets an extra £20 per month during the entiree second year, [to correct the deficit that she unwittingly suffered during the first 12 months] ... in addition to the intended sum of £100 per month which the dad ordered. So she now receives £120 per month in total ..... whilst the boy of course carries on recieving the usual £100 payment during the second year.
When the boy accidentally discovers that the girl was getting £120 per month, he becomes outraged and makes a terrible fuss about the ''irony '' of equality .... refusing point blank into take into account the error that had gone on before. He is either congenitally retarded or being disingenuous.
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This attitude is what I see all around me on forums - very bemusing indeed lol.
Well you dont readress equality as Labour has attempted to, but continuing inequality
I get your points but trying to fix the voting does not help anyone
You cannot discount the vote of anyone, as seen here
If there is inequality, then you look to challenge beliefs, not rig the vote, as Labour has set out to do here.
Challenging beliefs has helped sway beliefs for the better.
This just ends up doing the opposite what Labour did here
It insults the very aspect of what equality is
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Jules wrote:Let me try to explain this equality shit - which TBH should really be renamed ''fairness'' or "parity'' , instead of ''equality'' ... to ward off all the usual smug forum jokes, and taunts of irony blah blah.
Sometimes this drive for ''equality'' [between genders, sexualities, ethnicities or whatever] is quite simply a question of 'playing catchup'. I can probably best explain it with an analogy, which I've come up with.
-------------------------------------------------
ANALOGY:
OK, imagine an affluent banker decides to send his twins away for 2years to boarding school. 1 boy & 1 girl. He issues instructions to his accountant to pay in £100 per month into each one's separate account, as pocket money, for the entire 2 year period.
OK? so far so good!
Unfortunately, the accountant discovered he'd mistakenly paid only £80 into the girl's account during the entire first year. The boy had beeen getting the correct amount, the full sum of £100 per month.
So to REDRESS this problem, the accountant decides that the girl gets an extra £20 per month during the entiree second year, [to correct the deficit that she unwittingly suffered during the first 12 months] ... in addition to the intended sum of £100 per month which the dad ordered. So she now receives £120 per month in total ..... whilst the boy of course carries on recieving the usual £100 payment during the second year.
When the boy accidentally discovers that the girl was getting £120 per month, he becomes outraged and makes a terrible fuss about the ''irony '' of equality .... refusing point blank into take into account the error that had gone on before. He is either congenitally retarded or being disingenuous.
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This attitude is what I see all around me on forums - very bemusing indeed lol.
that is a disingenuous analogy and just an extension of discrimination.
INDIVIDUALS should be treated as Individuals their gender, race, sexual orientation should be irrelevant.
women in their Mid 30's (My age) grew up in the era of 'girl power' they were never short changed and due to poor Policies like this (extending from the bad old days of the 90's) we have seen females Put into positions based on their gender alone, that's Fact, I have been on employment panels where we were told we have to accept every female applicant that could meet the minimum requirements even if they were not the best candidate
Sorry Jules but Morden Progressive left wingers have already abandoned such terrible policies as the failures of yesteryear.
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veya_victaous wrote:
that is a disingenuous analogy and just an extension of discrimination.
INDIVIDUALS should be treated as Individuals their gender, race, sexual orientation should be irrelevant.
women in their Mid 30's (My age) grew up in the era of 'girl power' they were never short changed and due to poor Policies like this (extending from the bad old days of the 90's) we have seen females Put into positions based on their gender alone, that's Fact, I have been on employment panels where we were told we have to accept every female applicant that could meet the minimum requirements even if they were not the best candidate
Sorry Jules but Morden Progressive left wingers have already abandoned such terrible policies as the failures of yesteryear.
Look, Veya, simple Arithmetic never lies. 2 plus 2 will always equal 4, in any language, whatever spin you put on it.
Don't overthink my analogy. .... the only thing I wanted you to take from this is that history starts at the BEGINING.
Too many people disingenuously pretend that it starts from the MIDDLE, and discount whatever happened beforehand, like that twin brother did.
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Just because those employers were a bit clumsy in the way they chose to address historic inequalities, it does not detract from the fact that there was gross inequality to start with.
There are several ways of addressing and correcting this unfairness. The MASSIVE challenge is to find a good way that satisfies all parties, Veya.
There are several ways of addressing and correcting this unfairness. The MASSIVE challenge is to find a good way that satisfies all parties, Veya.
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