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Post by Andy Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:27 pm

The Immigration minister employed an illegal immigrant.
I bet Theresa May was chuffed.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26101442

Things are going from bad to worse for this Bullingdon buffoon and his incompetent clowns.
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Post by Guest Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:31 pm

Handy Andy wrote:The Immigration minister employed an illegal immigrant.
I bet Theresa May was chuffed.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26101442

Things are going from bad to worse for this Bullingdon buffoon and his incompetent clowns.

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Post by Andy Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:42 pm

At least he has done the honourable thing and fallen on his sword.
It is a pity the dozen or so other Tory and LibDumb ministers who have/are making a a complete bollox of their job don't do the same.
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Post by Guest Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:05 pm

Fell about laughing when heard it on the news. He has just piloted through a bill to makes employers more careful about employing illegals. You couldn't make it up.

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Post by Andy Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:15 pm

Hiya Sass. I was going to say the same thing myself, but with bunch of inept wankers running the show, anything is possible.
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Post by Guest Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:18 pm

Handy Andy wrote:Hiya Sass. I was going to say the same thing myself, but with bunch of inept wankers running the show, anything is possible.

How true, why, they will even have a club for bullies to go round smashing up restaurants soon and saying its just high spirits lol

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Post by Andy Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:39 pm

Quel surprise, not a word in defence of Harper from our resident cap doffing (love that phrase) tories.
Mind you, it is tough to defend the indefensible.
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Post by Fred Moletrousers Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:45 pm

Handy Andy wrote:Quel surprise, not a word in defence of Harper from our resident cap doffing (love that phrase) tories.
Mind you, it is tough to defend the indefensible.


Yes, it is, isn't it?

http://order-order.com/2014/01/28/illegal-immigrant-working-inside-labour-hq-general-secretary-knew-arnie-graf-had-visa-problem/


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Post by Guest Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:19 pm

He should be fined the maximum amount and sacked!

It appears other MPs are drooling over him now, saying he did everything he could to follow the rules and has done the honourable thing by resigning that particular position (immigration minister).

I wonder why? Could it be they like cheap foreign labour?

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Post by Guest Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:27 pm

Letter from Mark Harper to the Prime Minister

7 February 2014



Dear Prime Minister



In April 2007 I took on a cleaner for my London flat. In doing so, I was very mindful of my legal and financial obligations and undertook a number of checks beforehand. This included consideration of the HMRC tests as to whether the cleaner was performing her work under a contract for services on a self-employed basis which I concluded she was. However, even though there was no legal requirement for me to check her right to work in the UK, I felt that it was appropriate to do so. I therefore took a copy of her passport to verify her identity and also a copy of a Home Office letter, dated 26 January 2006, which stated that she had leave to remain indefinitely in the United Kingdom, including the right to work and engage in a business.

I considered the issue again when you appointed me as a Minister in the Cabinet Office in May 2010 and concluded that as I had performed a right to work check in 2007 and that my cleaner had indefinite leave to remain in the UK no further check was necessary. When you then appointed me as Immigration Minister in September 2012 I went through a similar consideration process and once again concluded that no further check was necessary. In retrospect, I should have checked more thoroughly.

As I took the Immigration Bill through Parliament in autumn 2013 I talked a lot about these matters in the context both of employers and landlords. What we do, and will, require of both is that they carry out reasonable checks and take copies of documents. We do not require them to be experts or spot anything other than an obvious forgery. Given this focus on these matters, I thought it prudent to check that all my documents were in order for my cleaner. I undertook an extensive search to locate the copies of documents I had taken but unfortunately I was unable to locate them.

As a result, in the week commencing 20 January 2014 I asked my cleaner for further copies of these documents which she provided on 4 February. On 5 February, I asked my private office to check the details with immigration officials to confirm that all was in order. I was informed on the morning of 6 February that my cleaner did not in fact have indefinite leave to remain in the United Kingdom. I immediately notified the Home Secretary and my Permanent Secretary. This is now a matter for Immigration Enforcement.

Although I complied with the law at all times, I consider that as Immigration Minister, who is taking legislation through Parliament which will toughen up our immigration laws, I should hold myself to a higher standard than expected of others. I have also considered the impact on my Parliamentary colleagues, the Government and you. I have always believed that politics is a team game, not an individual sport. Under the circumstances, I have therefore decided that the right course is for me to return to the Backbenches. I am sorry for any embarrassment caused.

I am grateful for the opportunities you have given me since you became Leader of the Conservative Party, first in Opposition and then in Government. I will continue to support you as Prime Minister, the Conservative Party and this Government in whatever way I can from the backbenches. I will also continue to serve my constituents in the Forest of Dean to the best of my ability.

Yours ever,

Mark

Mark Harper MP


Letter from the Prime Minister to Mark Harper

7 February 2014

Thank you for your letter earlier this evening.

I am very sorry indeed to see you leave the Government, but I understand your reasons for doing so.

In particular, I understand your view that, although you carried out checks on your cleaner, you feel that you should hold yourself to an especially high standard as Immigration Minister. You have taken an honourable decision.

You have been a highly effective Minister in the Government – both most recently as Immigration Minister, overseeing the passage of the Immigration Bill with great skill and dedication, and before that as a Minister in the Cabinet Office. You can be very proud of what you have achieved in Government – and before that in Opposition.

I have always enormously appreciated your energy and your loyalty. It is typical of you that you should be so mindful of the wider interests of the Government and the Party in reaching the decision that you have, and I am very grateful for that.

You will be greatly missed, and I hope very much that you will be able to return to service on the Frontbench before too long.

With all good wishes.

Yours, David

David Cameron MP

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Post by Guest Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:33 pm

He is a lying b4st4rd, in my opinion.

He won't have checked anything - he was after cheap labour - it is the only reason rich and powerful people tolerate foreigners in this country.

They can tolerate them because they do not suffer the same as "normal" people.

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Post by Guest Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:37 pm

I believe you can get up to 2 years in prison for this CRIME.

Everybody is falling over themselves to pat him over the back.

One thing some are pointing out is he did more than the foreigner Baroness Scotland, who didn't bother resigning.

Send them to prison!

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Post by Fred Moletrousers Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:41 pm

BigAndy9 wrote:He is a lying b4st4rd, in my opinion.

He won't have checked anything - he was after cheap labour - it is the only reason rich and powerful people tolerate foreigners in this country.

They can tolerate them because they do not suffer the same as "normal" people.

So a Tory minister unknowingly employing someone who is working illegally in this country makes him a "lying b4st4d" who should be jailed, while the General Secretary and Leader of the Labour Party knowingly employing someone who is working illegally in this country are doing absolutely nothing wrong?

Could the reason be that Harper's employee was a humble cleaner and a member of an ethnic minority while the Labour Party's self-confessed employee was a well-to-do, white, American propagandist?

That's the problem with Labour's high-living Champagne Socialists...they do not suffer the same as "normal" people.
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Fred Moletrousers wrote:
BigAndy9 wrote:He is a lying b4st4rd, in my opinion.

He won't have checked anything - he was after cheap labour - it is the only reason rich and powerful people tolerate foreigners in this country.

They can tolerate them because they do not suffer the same as "normal" people.

So a Tory minister unknowingly employing someone who is working illegally in this country makes him a "lying b4st4d" who should be jailed, while the General Secretary and Leader of the Labour Party knowingly employing someone who is working illegally in this country are doing absolutely nothing wrong?

Could the reason be that Harper's employee was a humble cleaner and a member of an ethnic minority while the Labour Party's self-confessed employee was a well-to-do, white, American propagandist?

That's the problem with Labour's high-living Champagne Socialists...they do not suffer the same as "normal" people.


If we are high living champagne socialist Edmund, then what does that make the RW who look down their noses and sneer at us?

...caviar capitalists?

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Post by Guest Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:04 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
BigAndy9 wrote:He is a lying b4st4rd, in my opinion.

He won't have checked anything - he was after cheap labour - it is the only reason rich and powerful people tolerate foreigners in this country.

They can tolerate them because they do not suffer the same as "normal" people.

So a Tory minister unknowingly employing someone who is working illegally in this country makes him a "lying b4st4d" who should be jailed, while the General Secretary and Leader of the Labour Party knowingly employing someone who is working illegally in this country are doing absolutely nothing wrong?

Could the reason be that Harper's employee was a humble cleaner and a member of an ethnic minority while the Labour Party's self-confessed employee was a well-to-do, white, American propagandist?

That's the problem with Labour's high-living Champagne Socialists...they do not suffer the same as "normal" people.

Unknowingly?

I'm sure you're old enough to know better, Fred!

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Post by Guest Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:42 pm

BigAndy9 wrote:
Fred Moletrousers wrote:

So a Tory minister unknowingly employing someone who is working illegally in this country makes him a "lying b4st4d" who should be jailed, while the General Secretary and Leader of the Labour Party knowingly employing someone who is working illegally in this country are doing absolutely nothing wrong?

Could the reason be that Harper's employee was a humble cleaner and a member of an ethnic minority while the Labour Party's self-confessed employee was a well-to-do, white, American propagandist?

That's the problem with Labour's high-living Champagne Socialists...they do not suffer the same as "normal" people.

Unknowingly?

I'm sure you're old enough to know better, Fred!
Evidently he did regular checks on her status - she had the proper paperwork (although it later turned out to contain forgeries I believe), and the last check revealed the truth that she wasn't entitled to be here. What more could he have done? If he had refused to employ any immigrants he would have been called a racist. Can't win really can he?

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Post by Fred Moletrousers Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:54 pm

Joy Division wrote:
Fred Moletrousers wrote:

So a Tory minister unknowingly employing someone who is working illegally in this country makes him a "lying b4st4d" who should be jailed, while the General Secretary and Leader of the Labour Party knowingly employing someone who is working illegally in this country are doing absolutely nothing wrong?

Could the reason be that Harper's employee was a humble cleaner and a member of an ethnic minority while the Labour Party's self-confessed employee was a well-to-do, white, American propagandist?

That's the problem with Labour's high-living Champagne Socialists...they do not suffer the same as "normal" people.


If we are high living champagne socialist Edmund, then what does that make the RW who look down their  noses and sneer at us?

...caviar capitalists?

It probably does, JD...but I was clearly referring to "them at t'top" who celebrate their wealth and position and then preach the need for restraint to the rest of us.

And all political parties and trade unions have those.

Since I'm in the "rest of us" category I have no more liking for Caviar Capitalists than I have for Champagne Socialists.
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Post by Fred Moletrousers Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:07 pm

BigAndy9 wrote:
Fred Moletrousers wrote:

So a Tory minister unknowingly employing someone who is working illegally in this country makes him a "lying b4st4d" who should be jailed, while the General Secretary and Leader of the Labour Party knowingly employing someone who is working illegally in this country are doing absolutely nothing wrong?

Could the reason be that Harper's employee was a humble cleaner and a member of an ethnic minority while the Labour Party's self-confessed employee was a well-to-do, white, American propagandist?

That's the problem with Labour's high-living Champagne Socialists...they do not suffer the same as "normal" people.

Unknowingly?

I'm sure you're old enough to know better, Fred!

And you know for certain that he did know, are you Andy? Because that's what you are saying.

Do you honestly think that a minister's party-appointed professional aides, let alone his departmental civil servants, would all have allowed their boss knowingly to have employed an illegal immigrant cleaner given the legislation he was currently working on? The idea is preposterous.

Harper's position became doubly untenable and political dynamite because he is the minister who is overseeing moves to compel all employers to accept responsibility in this field - an indication in itself that the Coalition considers that not enough is being done by them to ensure the legality of the people they employ.

He broke rules which he himself plans to impose on others...and that is why he had absolutely no alternative but to step down, which he did.

And whether you like it or not, he did so honourably as, I believe, has been acknowledged by MPs of all parties - people one could confidently say know far more about the man and his predicament than you do.

As to whether he should have been prosecuted, that is a moot point. It cost Labour's legal minister Baroness Scotland £5,000 for doing much the same that Harper has done, and I for one would not complain if he gets his collar felt; because after all, "ignorance of the law is no excuse."
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Post by Fred Moletrousers Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:17 pm

Catman wrote:Letter from Mark Harper to the Prime Minister

7 February 2014



Dear Prime Minister



In April 2007 I took on a cleaner for my London flat. In doing so, I was very mindful of my legal and financial obligations and undertook a number of checks beforehand. This included consideration of the HMRC tests as to whether the cleaner was performing her work under a contract for services on a self-employed basis which I concluded she was.   However, even though there was no legal requirement for me to check her right to work in the UK, I felt that it was appropriate to do so.   I therefore took a copy of her passport to verify her identity and also a copy of a Home Office letter, dated 26 January 2006, which stated that she had leave to remain indefinitely in the United Kingdom, including the right to work and engage in a business.

I considered the issue again when you appointed me as a Minister in the Cabinet Office in May 2010 and concluded that as I had performed a right to work check in 2007 and that my cleaner had indefinite leave to remain in the UK no further check was necessary.  When you then appointed me as Immigration Minister in September 2012 I went through a similar consideration process and once again concluded that no further check was necessary.  In retrospect, I should have checked more thoroughly.

As I took the Immigration Bill through Parliament in autumn 2013 I talked a lot about these matters in the context both of employers and landlords.   What we do, and will, require of both is that they carry out reasonable checks and take copies of documents.  We do not require them to be experts or spot anything other than an obvious forgery.  Given this focus on these matters, I thought it prudent to check that all my documents were in order for my cleaner.  I undertook an extensive search to locate the copies of documents I had taken but unfortunately I was unable to locate them.

As a result, in the week commencing 20 January 2014 I asked my cleaner for further copies of these documents which she provided on 4 February.  On 5 February, I asked my private office to check the details with immigration officials to confirm that all was in order. I was informed on the morning of 6 February that my cleaner did not in fact have indefinite leave to remain in the United Kingdom. I immediately notified the Home Secretary and my Permanent Secretary.  This is now a matter for Immigration Enforcement.

Although I complied with the law at all times, I consider that as Immigration Minister, who is taking legislation through Parliament which will toughen up our immigration laws, I should hold myself to a higher standard than expected of others. I have also considered the impact on my Parliamentary colleagues, the Government and you. I have always believed that politics is a team game, not an individual sport. Under the circumstances, I have therefore decided that the right course is for me to return to the Backbenches.  I am sorry for any embarrassment caused.

I am grateful for the opportunities you have given me since you became Leader of the Conservative Party, first in Opposition and then in Government.  I will continue to support you as Prime Minister, the Conservative Party and this Government in whatever way I can from the backbenches.  I will also continue to serve my constituents in the Forest of Dean to the best of my ability.

Yours ever,

Mark

Mark Harper MP


Letter from the Prime Minister to Mark Harper

7 February 2014

Thank you for your letter earlier this evening.

I am very sorry indeed to see you leave the Government, but I understand your reasons for doing so.

In particular, I understand your view that, although you carried out checks on your cleaner, you feel that you should hold yourself to an especially high standard as Immigration Minister. You have taken an honourable decision.

You have been a highly effective Minister in the Government – both most recently as Immigration Minister, overseeing the passage of the Immigration Bill with great skill and dedication, and before that as a Minister in the Cabinet Office. You can be very proud of what you have achieved in Government – and before that in Opposition.

I have always enormously appreciated your energy and your loyalty. It is typical of you that you should be so mindful of the wider interests of the Government and the Party in reaching the decision that you have, and I am very grateful for that.

You will be greatly missed, and I hope very much that you will be able to return to service on the Frontbench before too long.

With all good wishes.

Yours, David

David Cameron MP

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Thank you so much for reminding your Doubting Thomas colleagues in this forum that Harper admitted to his failure and did the honourable thing in resigning.

I'm sure that he would be most grateful to you for your kind consideration.
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Post by Guest Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:22 pm

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If we are high living champagne socialist Edmund, then what does that make the RW who look down their  noses and sneer at us?

...caviar capitalists?

It probably does, JD...but I was clearly referring to "them at t'top" who celebrate their wealth and position and then preach the need for restraint to the rest of us.

And all political parties and trade unions have those.

Since I'm in the "rest of us" category I have no more liking for Caviar Capitalists than I have for Champagne Socialists.



I think your quite right in saying every party has those at the top who preach restraint for the rest of us...but in honesty Ed, it rings true mostly with Tories.

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Joy Division wrote:
Fred Moletrousers wrote:

It probably does, JD...but I was clearly referring to "them at t'top" who celebrate their wealth and position and then preach the need for restraint to the rest of us.

And all political parties and trade unions have those.

Since I'm in the "rest of us" category I have no more liking for Caviar Capitalists than I have for Champagne Socialists.



I think your quite right in saying every party has those at the top who preach restraint for the rest of us...but in honesty Ed, it rings true mostly with Tories.

Perhaps mostly, but  certainly not exclusively. One of the big differences is that Top Tory Champagne Charlies don't usually tend to try to cover up their trappings of wealth and privilege, where top Labour Champagne Socialists routinely do.

I'm happy to be in neither camp...independent, very comfortably off, happily retired, proud of my achievements, content to consign my failures to the dustbin of history without too much regret or self-recrimination...and in need of no man's patronage.
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Post by Guest Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:31 pm

Good afternoon Folks.

The problem that we have with the 3 main parties is that they all preach the same things but in different words.

Our Dave Cameron is as left wing as you can get & the Labour leadership have basically said that if they come to power they will continue with the austerity measures implemented by the Tories.....But they'll do it in a different way which will make us all feel really great.

It's all ballshit from the 3 parties.

There are the wealthy Tories being slagged off by the equally well of Labour MPs,talk about hypocrisy.But that's politicians for you.

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Shady wrote:Good afternoon Folks.

The problem that we have with the 3 main parties is that they all preach the same things but in different words.

Our Dave Cameron is as left wing as you can get & the Labour leadership have basically said that if they come to power they will continue with the austerity measures implemented by the Tories.....But they'll do it in a different way which will make us all feel really great.

It's all ballshit from the 3 parties.

There are the wealthy Tories being slagged off by the equally well of Labour MPs,talk about hypocrisy.But that's politicians for you.


And that was a political broadcast from the "Stupid Pirate party"

So now David Cameron is left wing, how exactly?

Please present his left wing policies?

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PhilDidge wrote:
Shady wrote:Good afternoon Folks.

The problem that we have with the 3 main parties is that they all preach the same things but in different words.

Our Dave Cameron is as left wing as you can get & the Labour leadership have basically said that if they come to power they will continue with the austerity measures implemented by the Tories.....But they'll do it in a different way which will make us all feel really great.

It's all ballshit from the 3 parties.

There are the wealthy Tories being slagged off by the equally well of Labour MPs,talk about hypocrisy.But that's politicians for you.


And that was a political broadcast from the "Stupid Pirate party"

So now David Cameron is left wing, how exactly?

Please present his left wing policies?

... not only has the Tories' popular commitment to raise the inheritance tax threshold been scrapped, but Mr Cameron has agreed to raise capital gains tax from 18 per cent to an astounding 40 or 50 per cent -- rightly described by City experts as 'legalised theft'. On Europe, the Tories have abandoned their aim of taking back from Brussels some of the power that Britain has surrendered. Their new pledge not to give away any more powers without a referendum is meaningless, since, under the new EU constitution, Britain's sovereignty has been stripped away...

...  For the suspicion is growing that Mr Cameron is seizing this opportunity to bury his 'Tory Right'. Since he describes himself as a 'liberal Tory', we must conclude that the policies he developed in order to neutralise attacks from the Left -- socially libertarian, green, hearts bleeding for the poor of the world -- did not represent a cynical strategy, but reflected what he really believes...

...Conservatism is supposed to defend what a society most values. So the Tories should be upholding real human rights against the fanatical illiberalism of political correctness, defending national culture and identity against mass immigration, and protecting democracy itself against the destruction of self-government by the EU.  Instead, Mr Cameron has abandoned his aim of tackling the abuses under the Human Rights Act, turned Left-wing guns against the middle class and put a deep green zealot fox in charge of the energy hen-house...

http://www.melaniephillips.com/david-camerons-left-wing-coup

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Post by Guest Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:11 pm

Lol Melanie Phillips, that loon, again please post left wing policies he has..

Catch you later

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Post by Andy Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:01 pm

My take is that Harper took his eye off the ball, was complacent with his checks, and , as Ed said, I
ignorance is no excuse.
That said, he appears to be something of a rarity in the Tory party, a man with honour and decency, he has done the correct thing without waiting for pressure to resign.
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Post by Irn Bru Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:29 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Handy Andy wrote:Quel surprise, not a word in defence of Harper from our resident cap doffing (love that phrase) tories.
Mind you, it is tough to defend the indefensible.


Yes, it is, isn't it?

http://order-order.com/2014/01/28/illegal-immigrant-working-inside-labour-hq-general-secretary-knew-arnie-graf-had-visa-problem/


Perhaps you shouldn't have let your cock crow quite so quickly, Andy.

That's been shown to be false because Arnie Graf visa allowed him to enter the UK for permitted business activities. It was all fully disclosed to the UK immigration authorities in that he was not employed by the Labour Party, but advised only on campaigns and was reimbursed for lost earnings and expenses.”

All perfectly in order.
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Post by Irn Bru Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:34 pm

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It probably does, JD...but I was clearly referring to "them at t'top" who celebrate their wealth and position and then preach the need for restraint to the rest of us.

And all political parties and trade unions have those.

Since I'm in the "rest of us" category I have no more liking for Caviar Capitalists than I have for Champagne Socialists.



I think your quite right in saying every party has those at the top who preach restraint for the rest of us...but in honesty Ed, it rings true mostly with Tories.

Perhaps mostly, but  certainly not exclusively. One of the big differences is that Top Tory Champagne Charlies don't usually tend to try to cover up their trappings of wealth and privilege, where top Labour Champagne Socialists routinely do.

I'm happy to be in neither camp...independent, very comfortably off, happily retired, proud of my achievements, content to consign my failures to the dustbin of history without too much regret or self-recrimination...and in need of no man's patronage.

But according to reports there is an estimated £40bn being held in Swiss bank accounts by UK taxpayers - all hidden from the taxman.

Socialists?

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Post by Guest Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:39 am

He checked her paperwork and took copies...

...but he now can't find those copies.

Moletrousers: Do you honestly think that a minister's party-appointed professional aides, let alone his departmental civil servants, would all have allowed their boss knowingly to have employed an illegal immigrant cleaner


So many staff and none of them can produce the copies?

lol

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Post by Fred Moletrousers Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:48 pm

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Yes, it is, isn't it?

http://order-order.com/2014/01/28/illegal-immigrant-working-inside-labour-hq-general-secretary-knew-arnie-graf-had-visa-problem/


Perhaps you shouldn't have let your cock crow quite so quickly, Andy.

That's been shown to be false because Arnie Graf visa allowed him to enter the UK for permitted business activities. It was all fully disclosed to the UK immigration authorities in that he was not employed by the Labour Party, but advised only on campaigns and was reimbursed for lost earnings and expenses.”

All perfectly in order.

From his own words in the video, one can only say that he himself was unaware that "he was not employed by the Labour Party."
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Post by Fred Moletrousers Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:53 pm

BigAndy9 wrote:He checked her paperwork and took copies...

...but he now can't find those copies.

Moletrousers:  Do you honestly think that a minister's party-appointed professional aides, let alone his departmental civil servants, would all have allowed their boss knowingly to have employed an illegal immigrant cleaner


So many staff and none of them can produce the copies?  

lol

They would have made damn sure at the time; it would have been part of their job. And it's a procedure that is adopted by both main parties for reasons which are perfectly obvious.

An indication of just how fallible the checks and balances can be, however, is that Baroness Scotland had the same sort of problem...and she was Attorney General, for God's sake.

Odd that you don't appear to be similarly critical of her though....
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Post by Irn Bru Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:11 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
BigAndy9 wrote:He checked her paperwork and took copies...

...but he now can't find those copies.

Moletrousers:  Do you honestly think that a minister's party-appointed professional aides, let alone his departmental civil servants, would all have allowed their boss knowingly to have employed an illegal immigrant cleaner


So many staff and none of them can produce the copies?  

lol

They would have made damn sure at the time; it would have been part of their job. And it's a procedure that is adopted by both main parties for reasons which are perfectly obvious.

An indication of just how fallible the checks and balances can be, however, is that Baroness Scotland had the same sort of problem...and she was Attorney General, for God's sake.

Odd that you don't appear to be similarly critical of her though....

Baroness Scotland was found to be a victim of fraud fine woman that she is. Her contribution to law reform and her work on the House of Lords is impreesive by any standards and has been recognised across all parties and by the media.

Read her bio - outstanding.

She coughed up her £5 grand no problem.
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Post by Irn Bru Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:14 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:
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Yes, it is, isn't it?

http://order-order.com/2014/01/28/illegal-immigrant-working-inside-labour-hq-general-secretary-knew-arnie-graf-had-visa-problem/


Perhaps you shouldn't have let your cock crow quite so quickly, Andy.

That's been shown to be false because Arnie Graf visa allowed him to enter the UK for permitted business activities. It was all fully disclosed to the UK immigration authorities in that he was not employed by the Labour Party, but advised only on campaigns and was reimbursed for lost earnings and expenses.”

All perfectly in order.

From his own words in the video, one can only say that he himself was unaware that "he was not employed by the Labour Party."

His visa was checked and lodged with the immigration authorities and as he is a foreigner in this country there is every reason to believe that he wouldn't be fully up to speed with his status in relation to work.

Nothing to see here Fred - move along I would think.
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