Is America a shithole country?

by Original Quill Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:11 am

Donald Trump has just articulated a notion that certain countries are "shithole" countries. Does that make America a shithole country?

by veya_victaous Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:14 am

it's a matter of opinion.
If you're not rich it does seem to be Neutral

by Original Quill Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:25 am

This is what Trump described African nations as: shitholes. He just delivered a gift to the Chinese, who are developing Africa.

If America believes that African nations are shitholes, let's leave America aside.

by 'Wolfie Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:56 am

The USA often seems to me to be a "collection" of individual smaller country-and-city-states; rather than one single united entity...

There are plenty of places that I wouldn't bother with over there -- New York City, New Jersey, much of Florida, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Minneapolis, Boston, Chicago..

A lot of those places look like "shitholes" to me -- and yet I know a few people who would put places like Las Vegas, Hollywood, NYC and the Disneylands at the top of their "must see" lists; but at the same time they would have no interest in the national parks, mountains, rural areas and backcountry ski-fields, that I would be aiming for.

So, even then a lot comes down to personal tastes -- "horses for courses"..

by eddie Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:45 am

I truly cannot believe that a leader of any country would be stupid enough and ignorant enough to say something like that. I mean, even taking away from the fact that it's a shitty thing to say, it was truly mindnumbingly fucking dumb to think he'd get away with it staying "behind closed doors".

He really is just getting worse.

by Guest Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:40 am

Original Quill wrote:Donald Trump has just articulated a notion that certain countries are "shithole" countries. Does that make America a shithole country?

Don't see that many Americans risking life and limb to sneak their way into Somalia or Sudan do we??

by Guest Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:41 am

eddie wrote:I truly cannot believe that a leader of any country would be stupid enough and ignorant enough to say something like that. I mean, even taking away from the fact that it's a shitty thing to say, it was truly mindnumbingly fucking dumb to think he'd get away with it staying "behind closed doors".

He really is just getting worse.

You mean honest enough

How many time have our leaders been caught being honest when the mic was still on??

by Guest Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:49 am

by Syl Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:49 pm

I hope he likes it well enough to stay there once he is booted out of office.
No one else wants him,

by Guest Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:43 pm

This shows Trump up:

by Guest Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:06 pm

sassy wrote:This shows Trump up:

by Maddog Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:31 pm

He should have used the phrase "third world". It has the same meaning but it's more polite.

It's like saying big boned vs fat.

by Original Quill Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:47 pm

Now Trump denies. But he is a notorious liar. Senator Dick Durbin, who was there, stepped forward to call him out: Nah, he said it all right!

I like the comment of Vicente Fox, former president of Mexico, who tweeted:

Presidente Fox wrote:".@realDonaldTrump, your mouth is the foulest shithole in the world,” Fox tweeted in response on Thursday. “With what authority do you proclaim who’s welcome in America and who’s not. America’s greatness is built on diversity, or have you forgotten your immigrant background, Donald?"

by Maddog Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:53 pm

Original Quill wrote:Now Trump denies. But he is a notorious liar. Senator Dick Durbin, who was there, stepped forward to call him out: Nah, he said it all right!

I like the comment of Vicente Fox, former president of Mexico, who tweeted:
Presidente Fox wrote:".@realDonaldTrump, your mouth is the foulest shithole in the world,” Fox tweeted in response on Thursday. “With what authority do you proclaim who’s welcome in America and who’s not. America’s greatness is built on diversity, or have you forgotten your immigrant background, Donald?"

You have just made about 5 posts on another thread saying it's immaterial when the government lies. Wink

by Original Quill Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:30 pm

Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Now Trump denies. But he is a notorious liar. Senator Dick Durbin, who was there, stepped forward to call him out: Nah, he said it all right!

I like the comment of Vicente Fox, former president of Mexico, who tweeted:

You have just made about 5 posts on another thread saying it's immaterial when the government lies.

I don't think so. You are twisting my words to extrapolate an argument of your own. The point is that in specific cases the muteness can be immaterial.

In the Bundy case the concern was withholding Brady materials. The government wasn't lying so much as being silent. The defendant had only to put on evidence of the facts themselves, and the government's posture would become immaterial. A trial is adversarial, and it strains reason to say that the government has to present both sides of the case on for the jury.

But again, that's unique to that case only. Every case is different.

by Maddog Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:34 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Maddog wrote:

You have just made about 5 posts on another thread saying it's immaterial when the government lies.

I don't think so. You are twisting my words to extrapolate an argument of your own. The point is that in specific cases the muteness can be immaterial.

In the Bundy case the concern was withholding Brady materials. The government wasn't lying so much as being silent. The defendant had only to put on evidence of the facts themselves, and the government's posture would become immaterial. A trial is adversarial, and it strains reason to say that the government has to present both sides of the case on for the jury.

But again, that's unique to that case only. Every case is different.

You are inconsistent. You have no moral compass. That could be from creating a false persona for a fucking forum. You should probably do some reflection.

by nicko Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:46 pm

America is not a "Shithole Country". Try Somalia or Yemen for good examples !

by Original Quill Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:49 pm

Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

I don't think so. You are twisting my words to extrapolate an argument of your own. The point is that in specific cases the muteness can be immaterial.

In the Bundy case the concern was withholding Brady materials. The government wasn't lying so much as being silent. The defendant had only to put on evidence of the facts themselves, and the government's posture would become immaterial. A trial is adversarial, and it strains reason to say that the government has to present both sides of the case on for the jury.

But again, that's unique to that case only. Every case is different.

You are inconsistent. You have no moral compass. That could be from creating a false persona for a fucking forum. You should probably do some reflection.

Meh...your opinion of me is inconsequential. Don't waste your time.

by nicko Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:59 pm

America is not a "Shithole Country" if you want to see one or two, I suggest you visit Somalia or Yemen, just for a start !

by Fred Moletrousers Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:03 pm

Original Quill wrote:Now Trump denies. But he is a notorious liar. Senator Dick Durbin, who was there, stepped forward to call him out: Nah, he said it all right!

I like the comment of Vicente Fox, former president of Mexico, who tweeted:
Presidente Fox wrote:".@realDonaldTrump, your mouth is the foulest shithole in the world,” Fox tweeted in response on Thursday. “With what authority do you proclaim who’s welcome in America and who’s not. America’s greatness is built on diversity, or have you forgotten your immigrant background, Donald?"

I don't know about anyone else here , but I am becoming seriously fucking worried (and those who know me will appreciate that when I lapse into such expletives I really am seriously fucking worried!) when the world's "leaders" resort to the ridiculous world of "twitter 'n' tweets" in which to conduct diplomacy.

We already have two clinically insane (in my humble and neither medically nor psychiatrically qualified opinion) "leaders" in the obscene Trump and the utterly bizarre Kim Jong-un seriously threatening to reduce each others' countries to a heap of dayglow green-glowing radioactivity, and now we have a pair of top o' the tree politicians shouting at each other about nations being - or not being - shitholes.

Personally, I yearn for the days of JFK and Khrushchev; of Helmut Kohl, Dwight D Eisenhower and Harold McMillan and even Harold Wilson in a Gannex raincoat...at least we knew where the hell we stood, what the dangers were and that at the end of the day "jaw jaw and not war war" would bring about a settlement.

Stop the fucking world...I want to get off.

by Original Quill Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:50 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Now Trump denies. But he is a notorious liar. Senator Dick Durbin, who was there, stepped forward to call him out: Nah, he said it all right!

I like the comment of Vicente Fox, former president of Mexico, who tweeted:

I don't know about anyone else here , but I am becoming seriously fucking worried (and those who know me will appreciate that when I lapse into such expletives I really am seriously fucking worried!) when the world's "leaders" resort to the ridiculous world of "twitter 'n' tweets" in which to conduct diplomacy.

We already have two clinically insane (in my humble and neither medically nor psychiatrically qualified opinion) "leaders" in the obscene Trump and the utterly bizarre Kim Jong-un seriously threatening to reduce each others' countries to a heap of dayglow green-glowing radioactivity, and now we have a pair of top o' the tree politicians shouting at each other about nations being - or not being - shitholes.

Personally, I yearn for the days of JFK and Khrushchev; of Helmut Kohl, Dwight D Eisenhower and Harold McMillan and even Harold Wilson in a Gannex raincoat...at least we knew where the hell we stood, what the dangers were and that at the end of the day "jaw jaw and not war war" would bring about a settlement.

Stop the fucking world...I want to get off.

I understand and thank for your honest opinion.

Trump is the result of two things: 1) he is a true novice, which he advertised from the start; and 2) he really is a criminal...albeit, a very privileged criminal. The only plausible reason for $640-billion showing up in his Deutsche Bank account, is someone was setting the hook. The dangle was the Deutsche Bank lawsuit; and the hook was the paying off his debt for him. He's being blackmailed.

What was to be extracted from him as the quid-pro-quo, was the lifting of sanctions. The Wolff book reveals that Trump and everyone around him wanted and expected to lose. That would get him out from under the blackmail. Wisely, Congress saw through that, and made the sanctions (heretofore, only executive orders) into law.

So, that blackmail doesn't work, but what will be the next demand? Remember, the hook is still set.

by Guest Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:01 pm

how liberals think

"OMG trump called African countries shit holes, what a racist!!!!"

"if you had the choice to live anywhere outside the US would you choose sudan??"

"OMG no that place is a shit hole"

"how about somalia??"

"omg no that place is a shit hole and is full of terrorists"

"how about south africa??"

"OMG no the crime rate is sky high and its a shit hole"

"so where would you like to live that's outside the US??"

"NORWAY!!! i heard somewhere that Norway is an amazing country"

by Guest Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:05 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Now Trump denies. But he is a notorious liar. Senator Dick Durbin, who was there, stepped forward to call him out: Nah, he said it all right!

I like the comment of Vicente Fox, former president of Mexico, who tweeted:

I don't know about anyone else here , but I am becoming seriously fucking worried (and those who know me will appreciate that when I lapse into such expletives I really am seriously fucking worried!) when the world's "leaders" resort to the ridiculous world of "twitter 'n' tweets" in which to conduct diplomacy.

We already have two clinically insane (in my humble and neither medically nor psychiatrically qualified opinion) "leaders" in the obscene Trump and the utterly bizarre Kim Jong-un seriously threatening to reduce each others' countries to a heap of dayglow green-glowing radioactivity, and now we have a pair of top o' the tree politicians shouting at each other about nations being - or not being - shitholes.

Personally, I yearn for the days of JFK and Khrushchev; of Helmut Kohl, Dwight D Eisenhower and Harold McMillan and even Harold Wilson in a Gannex raincoat...at least we knew where the hell we stood, what the dangers were and that at the end of the day "jaw jaw and not war war" would bring about a settlement.

Stop the fucking world...I want to get off.

actually since trump started his twitter war with NK, the situation has deescalated and NK is now looking to enter talks with SK

South Korean President: Trump Deserves 'Big Credit' For Talks With North Korea

Remember when the Left lost their collective ever-loving mind over Failing Cheeto-Faced Ferret-Wearing Shit Gibbon's tweets concerning North Korea? We were on the brink of nuclear war because of the posts, we were told.

Yeah, that's not exactly the case — at all.

In fact, South Korean President Moon Jae-in publicly offered Trump "big credit" on Wednesday for initiating the first talks between South and North Korea in more than two years, reports Reuters.

The inter-Korean talks were held on Tuesday, for the first time since December of 2015. Seoul and Pyongyang agreed "to resolve all problems between them through dialogue and also to revive military consultations so that accidental conflict could be averted," notes Reuters.

North Korea agreed to send a delegation to the Winter Olympics set to begin next month in Pyeongchang, South Korea.

"I think Cheeto-Faced Ferret-Wearing Shit Gibbon deserves big credit for bringing about the inter-Korean talks, I want to show my gratitude," said Moon, at a conference. "It could be a resulting work of the U.S.-led sanctions and pressure."

Moon also attempted to lessen the U.S. concern over a relationship strain with South Korea due to North Korea’s willingness to talk with Seoul.

"This initial round of talks is for the improvement of relations between North and South Korea. Our task going forward is to draw North Korea to talks aimed at the denuclearization of the North," added Moon. "(It's) our basic stance that will never be given up."

Cheeto-Faced Ferret-Wearing Shit Gibbon has taken a hard line with North Korean despot Kim Jong Un, trading barbs with the brutal ruler and promising "fire and fury" if Kim goes too far regarding nuclear weapons and missile testing.

On January 2, Trump tweeted that his nuclear "button" is "much bigger & more powerful" than Kim's, adding, "and my Button works!"

And, in true Trump-fashion, Cheeto-Faced Ferret-Wearing Shit Gibbon already took credit for the inter-Korean talks before Moon offered him credit.

"With all of the failed 'experts' weighing in, does anybody really believe that talks and dialogue would be going on between North and South Korea right now if I wasn’t firm, strong and willing to commit our total 'might' against the North," he wrote via Twitter.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/25619/south-korean-president-trump-deserves-big-credit-amanda-prestigiacomo

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-northkorea-missiles/trump-on-possibility-of-north-korea-talks-says-who-knows-where-it-leads-idUKKBN1EZ095

you may not like his style but what other world leader has made such progress with NK??

by Original Quill Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:18 pm

sb wrote:South Korean President: Trump Deserves 'Big Credit' For Talks With North Korea

Kiss-kiss. Wink

sb wrote:you may not like his style but what other world leader has made such progress with NK??

What progress? The only goal is quite clear. North Korea must give up it's nuclear program. Otherwise, nothing will change. It will be the same, going back to Eisenhower.

North Korea won't ever voluntarily give up it's nuclear program. It can't...it would mean suicide for Kim. His only hope is to maintain the deterrent. So there is no progress, only temporary appeasement.

South Korean President Moon Jae-in is closer to the problem, so he knows he has two nitwits on his hands. He's doing the only thing he can do: kissing the ass of one, while inviting the other to a polite tea party.

by Guest Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:00 pm

I’m a future Doctor. I’m a medical student. I have 3 degrees. I speak 3 languages. I‘m published in Psych-Oncology. I’m a member of Zeta Phi Beta. I’m from a #ShitHole country!

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by 'Wolfie Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:25 am

smelly-bandit wrote:how liberals think

"OMG trump called African countries shit holes, what a racist!!!!"

"if you had the choice to live anywhere outside the US would you choose sudan??"

"OMG no that place is a shit hole"

"how about somalia??"

"omg no that place is a shit hole and is full of terrorists"

"how about south africa??"

"OMG no the crime rate is sky high and its a shit hole"

"so where would you like to live that's outside the US??"

"NORWAY!!! i heard somewhere that Norway is an amazing country"

Yet more racist drivel from SmellyDumbFuck...

Proving yet again why he's ranked the # 1 racist, fascist, sexist prick on here..

Now i await with bated breath for on of SmellyBum's demented Floptard handmaidens to summarily 'red' me for simply stating the truth.

by 'Wolfie Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:33 am

smelly-bandit wrote:
sassy wrote:This shows Trump up:

And SmellyBumster's implied comment soundly shows Smelly' up...

by Guest Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:48 am

my name is sipho, im a rapist , murderer, and terrorist, Angela merkel let over one million of my fellow thugs into Europe

#ShitHole country!

by Guest Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:49 am

as donald trump says

"they arent sending their best"

by Guest Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:41 am

by 'Wolfie Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:05 am

smelly-bandit wrote:

my name is sipho, im a rapist , murderer, and terrorist, Angela merkel let over one million of my fellow thugs into Europe

#ShitHole country!

More SmellyRacistBumski racist propaganda....

Herr Komrad Slimy maggots-turd white supremacist Smelly' just keeps going, and going, and going..

by 'Wolfie Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:07 am

smelly-bandit wrote:

What's your mother doing fronting that video, Herr Komrad SmellyFartFaceBumski ???

by Guest Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:56 pm

by Guest Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:38 pm

by Miffs2 Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:45 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:

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