Ex-Nat. Security Chief Flynn pleads guilty

ABC News wrote:Flynn pleads guilty, reaches deal on charge of lying to FBI

MATTHEW MOSK, ADAM KELSEY and VERONICA STRACQUALURSI
December 1, 2017

Retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, once a member of President Trump’s inner circle of advisers, has pleaded guilty in a deal with the Special Counsel investigating foreign meddling in the 2016 elections in which he admits to lying to the FBI about his back-channel conversations with the Russian ambassador.

Flynn’s plea signals the former top adviser to President Trump is now cooperating with Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team. A brief statement released by Mueller’s team Friday morning does not say what information Flynn has provided the government as part of the deal, but people familiar with the agreement told ABC News Friday he has made a decision to assist investigators.

The general told confidants about his decision to plead guilty in the last 24 hours, according to people close to Flynn, who say the former adviser feels President Trump has abandoned him and has agreed to answer questions about the president or anyone else.

Flynn was charged with lying to the FBI about the nature of his conversations with then-Russian ambassador to the United States Sergey Kislyak during the presidential transition. Those conversations led Russian officials to temper their response to increased U.S. sanctions, according to the charging documents. The charge means Flynn could face up to 5 years in prison.

Flynn becomes the latest and most-senior Trump associate to face charges in Mueller's probe and is scheduled to appear in court at 10:30 a.m. He has already been processed at the FBI Washington Field Office, according to FBI officials, where he was fingerprinted and photographed.

Flynn's lawyer meets with members of special counsel's team, raising specter of plea deal

Kushner met with special counsel earlier this month, conversation focused on Flynn

Flynn had initially resisted cooperating with the investigation, according to people close to the retired general, but he has been facing mounting legal debts and plans to sell his house to help defray costs.

He only recently learned the full scope of the charges he could potentially face. Last week, Trump lawyers received calls from Flynn’s lawyer Robert Kelner, alerting them that he could no longer participate in information exchanges with other possible Mueller targets, the first public indication that a plea deal was in the works.

On Monday, Kelner was spotted exiting a meeting at Mueller’s offices in Washington, ABC News reported.

Flynn is a decorated military officer who once headed the Defense Intelligence Agency and, after leaving government, spoke frequently at Trump campaign rallies. He began facing scrutiny after it was learned he took payment to attend a Russian television event, at which he appeared seated next to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

That scrutiny only increased after he took over as Trump’s national security adviser. He was ultimately forced to resign after just a few weeks on the job after it was revealed that he misled Vice President Mike Pence and other administration officials about his meeting with the Russian ambassador.

Flynn initially denied that he discussed U.S. sanctions placed on Russia with Kislyak, but transcripts of Flynn and Kislyak’s phone calls reviewed by Justice Department lawyers showed otherwise.

Flynn was paid over $500,000 by foreign clients for consulting work and speaking fees – including contracts he allegedly failed to list on applications for security clearances and financial disclosure forms. He also only belatedly disclosed lobbying work his firm engaged in on behalf of the Turkish government.

Trump reportedly attempted to persuade the FBI to drop its investigation into Flynn’s conduct. In a Feb. 14 meeting at the White House, Trump reportedly told then-FBI Director James Comey to “let this go.”

“I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go,” Trump told Comey, according to a memo Comey wrote afterwards, which was later described by the New York Times. “He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.”

On Oct. 30, two members of Trump's campaign staff, former campaign chair Paul Manafort and his longtime associate Rick Gates, were indicted on 12 counts brought by Mueller's team related to work done prior to joining the Trump campaign, including conspiracy against the U.S., conspiracy to launder money and serving as an unregistered agent of a foreign principal.

That same day, it was also revealed that a third Trump campaign adviser, George Papadopoulos, pleaded guilty earlier in the month to making false statements to FBI agents probing his attempts to arrange a meeting between Russian officials and the campaign.

ABC News' Jack Date, Geneva Sands, Mike Levine, and Trish Turner contributed to this report.

nicko wrote:When he does go,   what will Lurker do to keep him occupied?

nicko wrote:When he does go,   what will Lurker do to keep him occupied?

smelly-bandit wrote:

nicko wrote:When he does go,   what will Lurker do to keep him occupied?

He will start a smelly-bandit vent thrwad

nicko wrote:When he does go,   what will Lurker do to keep him occupied?

smelly-bandit wrote:One of my colleagues is a properly Lefty and he reckons trump should go.

When I asked him why, his response was "fucking get him out he is fucking mental he spoke to Russians"

He........  spoke..........to...........  russians

When I asked him to name one thing trump had done that he should be fired for, his response was "he goes on twitter"

"He......... goes..........  on...........  twitter"

That is the level of intelligence from the never trump cult

eddie wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:One of my colleagues is a properly Lefty and he reckons trump should go.

When I asked him why, his response was "fucking get him out he is fucking mental he spoke to Russians"

He........  spoke..........to...........  russians

When I asked him to name one thing trump had done that he should be fired for, his response was "he goes on twitter"

"He......... goes..........  on...........  twitter"

That is the level of intelligence from the never trump cult

Perhaps you need more intelligent friends?

eddie wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:One of my colleagues is a properly Lefty and he reckons trump should go.

When I asked him why, his response was "fucking get him out he is fucking mental he spoke to Russians"

He........  spoke..........to...........  russians

When I asked him to name one thing trump had done that he should be fired for, his response was "he goes on twitter"

"He......... goes..........  on...........  twitter"

That is the level of intelligence from the never trump cult

Perhaps you need more intelligent friends?

eddie wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:One of my colleagues is a properly Lefty and he reckons trump should go.

When I asked him why, his response was "fucking get him out he is fucking mental he spoke to Russians"

He........  spoke..........to...........  russians

When I asked him to name one thing trump had done that he should be fired for, his response was "he goes on twitter"

"He......... goes..........  on...........  twitter"

That is the level of intelligence from the never trump cult

Perhaps you need more intelligent friends?

sassy wrote:

eddie wrote:

Perhaps you need more intelligent friends?

Or more articulate.

Let's think of the top of my head.

Mimiced a disabled journalist to get his followers to take the piss.

Told a crowd to punch people who disagreed with him.

Got angry and told lies about the numbers at his inauguration.

Abuses women (which is illegal) and boasts about it.

His businesses have loans from Russia which make him open to blackmail

Used the White House to promote his businesses

Said he wouldn't be taking holidays and goes golfing just about every weekend, when the USA has to pick up the tab for the security, meaning he has already cost the USA more for that service than Obama did during both of his presidencies.

That's before we start of policies, like fucking up the medical care of millions of Americans, including children, many of whom will die because of it.

Like taxing the rich less and the poor more so they will sink further down.



Just a couple of minutes thought, would be easy to have an unending list, it gets longer by the day.

smelly-bandit wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Haha...that was the response of the Clinton people back in the 1990's, over the Whitewater special investigation.  'Bloody hell, they've gone from a real estate deal in Arkansas, to a blow job in the Oval Office!!!'  The Clinton people were as incredulous, just as you are now.  Unfortunately, that's how the law reads.

The discussion over lifting Russian sanctions is not so far afield, as that was the quid pro quo for the election tampering.  That deal was the collusion...the agreement between the Trump campaign and the IRA of the Russian government: Russians tamper and get Trump elected, in return for which Trump lifts the sanctions on Russia.  That deal was at the very heart of the Russian tampering with the elections.

Difference is that there WAS a blow job in the office.

That's how reality works.

Didge wrote:

eddie wrote:

I said exactly the same thing.

You did indeed Eddie

I reckon Trump will resign by Feb, in order to get out of being charged.

Original Quill wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

Difference is that there WAS a blow job in the office.

That's how reality works.

So you don't mind if we look into whether there was a blow job in the Kremlin?  Or at least a Golden Shower in the Moscow Ritz Carlton?

Good.  I feel we've made progress here, Russ.

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:


You did indeed Eddie

I reckon Trump will resign by Feb, in order to get out of being charged.

He won't get out of it.  There's going to be no get-out-of-jail card, like there was for Richard Nixon, Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld.  With Trump, and the blatant tax cut for the rich, America has spent all its “give me your tired, you poor” credibility.  It's either a democracy, or a haven for the new aristocracy.

Pussy-grabber has unhinged politics in America.  There is this growing suspicion that the rich and privileged get away with things that the peons go to jail for...special treatment for special people.  Only...the US was founded on equality, and the thought that there are no special people.  That's become a massive contradiction in American life.

Thus, for Donald Trump and family to get away with things that the lowly--particularly, the black and Hispanic lowly--go right to jail for, is a boiling pot today.  This was festering even at the close of the Iraq War, when Obama swept war crimes under the rug for quiet on the political front.  Not anymore.  Not after Trump, the pussy-grabber, Golden Shower boy.

Else, American has no more foundation.  Do we want to sacrifice all America represents, for quiet on the front?  Reminds us of Neville Chamberlain, only here at home: appease, appease, sacrifice more American standards, for a little peace and quiet!  It's the one thing Obama got wrong.

sassy wrote:It's being said that John Dowd, Trump's lawyer, drafted the tweet in question, where Trump fessed up too knowing about Flynn lying.

If John Dowd has lied, is lying, or does lie about whether he authored a tweet in which Donald Trump admitted committing a crime, (a) he has himself committed a crime, and (b) he'd be disbarred from legal practice immediately. I think America needs an answer on this right now.

smelly-bandit wrote:

sassy wrote:It's being said that John Dowd, Trump's lawyer, drafted the tweet in question, where Trump fessed up too knowing about Flynn lying.

If John Dowd has lied, is lying, or does lie about whether he authored a tweet in which Donald Trump admitted committing a crime, (a) he has himself committed a crime, and (b) he'd be disbarred from legal practice immediately. I think America needs an answer on this right now.

I think America is doing just fine.

Trump is doing a great job, tax reforms to help ordinary Americans, he almost got rid of Obamacare, the wall is out for tender and some interesting prototypes are being built.

The god emperor trump IS the answer America needs

sassy wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

I think America is doing just fine.

Trump is doing a great job, tax reforms to help ordinary Americans, he almost got rid of Obamacare, the wall is out for tender and some interesting prototypes are being built.

The god emperor trump IS the answer America needs

I believe you are Afrikaans Smelly?   Am I right?   Now, my mate Petra is Afrikaans and she is as sharp as a tack, so you can't put your stupidity down to your background.   I think maybe you have wrapped it round you as a comfort blanket so you don't have to deal with the way the world really is, just the way all your prejudices and bigotry would like it to be.   His change in medical care now means that thousands of Americans, children included, are dying because they can't access medical care.   The tax system the Republicans have just voted for means that the rich will get more money and the poor will find themselves worse off and their lives made even more of a misery.   Now you can waffle on and lie to yourself as much as you like, them's the fact pure and simple, and that bastard is going down.  He went to New York today, met by a huge crown chanting 'lock him up'.   Life is teaching him a lesson that he really needed to learn, karma is coming for him.

sassy wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

I think America is doing just fine.

Trump is doing a great job, tax reforms to help ordinary Americans, he almost got rid of Obamacare, the wall is out for tender and some interesting prototypes are being built.

The god emperor trump IS the answer America needs

I believe you are Afrikaans Smelly?   Am I right?   Now, my mate Petra is Afrikaans and she is as sharp as a tack, so you can't put your stupidity down to your background.   I think maybe you have wrapped it round you as a comfort blanket so you don't have to deal with the way the world really is, just the way all your prejudices and bigotry would like it to be.   His change in medical care now means that thousands of Americans, children included, are dying because they can't access medical care.   The tax system the Republicans have just voted for means that the rich will get more money and the poor will find themselves worse off and their lives made even more of a misery.   Now you can waffle on and lie to yourself as much as you like, them's the fact pure and simple, and that bastard is going down.  He went to New York today, met by a huge crown chanting 'lock him up'.   Life is teaching him a lesson that he really needed to learn, karma is coming for him.

smelly-bandit wrote:

sassy wrote:


I believe you are Afrikaans Smelly?   Am I right?   Now, my mate Petra is Afrikaans and she is as sharp as a tack, so you can't put your stupidity down to your background.   I think maybe you have wrapped it round you as a comfort blanket so you don't have to deal with the way the world really is, just the way all your prejudices and bigotry would like it to be.   His change in medical care now means that thousands of Americans, children included, are dying because they can't access medical care.   The tax system the Republicans have just voted for means that the rich will get more money and the poor will find themselves worse off and their lives made even more of a misery.   Now you can waffle on and lie to yourself as much as you like, them's the fact pure and simple, and that bastard is going down.  He went to New York today, met by a huge crown chanting 'lock him up'.   Life is teaching him a lesson that he really needed to learn, karma is coming for him.

No sassy you are wrong on everything in this post.

The world is just the world, your views and values don't make the world a specific way.

You see the world the way you think it should be and I see the world the way I think it should be.

The way you feel about trump?? I felt that way about Obama, the difference is I just accepted it, I didn't call for him to be impeached I just watched in disgust as he set out to ruin America knowing that the tide would turn, and it did.

You think you hold the monopoly on virtue and value and righteousness, you don't, all you have are a different set of values.

You are as ugly to me as I am to you, everything you think I am?? The feeling is mutual.

The difference is that I won't sleep with the enemy to stick two fingers up at you, you do though.

From my perspective you are THE most hate filled vile intolerant bigot I have ever had the misfortune of encountering online or in person.

That's the only reason you want trump gone, not because he has done anything wrong, but because you cannot conceive of a world where people with diametrically opposed values to you are allowed to express them.

You want a police state, where your values and views are the only ones allowed, and everyone who doesn't conform is punished.

Trump is not going anywhere, these charges are bogus, you better get used to it sassy, people have had enough of holier-than-thou busy bodies  like you telling them how to speak and how to think.

Brexit and trump proved that beyond doubt

smelly-bandit wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

So you don't mind if we look into whether there was a blow job in the Kremlin?  Or at least a Golden Shower in the Moscow Ritz Carlton?

Good.  I feel we've made progress here, Russ.

Oh I thought was your hail Mary pass, you know??  for when it all falls down and you go for broke on one last shot??

We aren't at the last chance saloon yet are we??

Bloody hell that was quick

Anyway I'm sure putin has that golden shower tape firmly locked away from prying eyes.

Besides  it won't matter, if trumps a bit snaggy in the sack it's not  illegal, you can't impeach a man because he like a bit of kinky sex.

sassy wrote:It's being said that John Dowd, Trump's lawyer, drafted the tweet in question, where Trump fessed up too knowing about Flynn lying.

If John Dowd has lied, is lying, or does lie about whether he authored a tweet in which Donald Trump admitted committing a crime, (a) he has himself committed a crime, and (b) he'd be disbarred from legal practice immediately. I think America needs an answer on this right now.

sassy wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

No sassy you are wrong on everything in this post.

The world is just the world, your views and values don't make the world a specific way.

You see the world the way you think it should be and I see the world the way I think it should be.

The way you feel about trump?? I felt that way about Obama, the difference is I just accepted it, I didn't call for him to be impeached I just watched in disgust as he set out to ruin America knowing that the tide would turn, and it did.

You think you hold the monopoly on virtue and value and righteousness, you don't, all you have are a different set of values.

You are as ugly to me as I am to you, everything you think I am?? The feeling is mutual.

The difference is that I won't sleep with the enemy to stick two fingers up at you, you do though.

From my perspective you are THE most hate filled vile intolerant bigot I have ever had the misfortune of encountering online or in person.

That's the only reason you want trump gone, not because he has done anything wrong, but because you cannot conceive of a world where people with diametrically opposed values to you are allowed to express them.

You want a police state, where your values and views are the only ones allowed, and everyone who doesn't conform is punished.

Trump is not going anywhere, these charges are bogus, you better get used to it sassy, people have had enough of holier-than-thou busy bodies  like you telling them how to speak and how to think.

Brexit and trump proved that beyond doubt

In your dreams Smelly.   There was never a reason to impeach Obama and you only hated him because he is black.  This orange buffoon has so many things that could bring about his impeachment and the preservation of humanity demands his removal.

As for you Smelly, I don't hate you, I pity you for the fact you were brought up in a country, at a time, that values and humanity were twisted and you have never managed to have the wit or character to change that.   Very sad.

Original Quill wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

Oh I thought was your hail Mary pass, you know??  for when it all falls down and you go for broke on one last shot??

We aren't at the last chance saloon yet are we??

Bloody hell that was quick

Anyway I'm sure putin has that golden shower tape firmly locked away from prying eyes.

Besides  it won't matter, if trumps a bit snaggy in the sack it's not  illegal, you can't impeach a man because he like a bit of kinky sex.

What you thought is insignificant.  Most of what you write, Russ, is without knowledge, and is gleaned from trying to put words in my mouth.  Here, we have the former Trump Director of National Security turning state's evidence, and all you have given us so far are missed, attempted gotchas on my patient explanations.  Don't you have anything to add?

Curiously, yesterday morning Trump tweeted that he fired Flynn because he (Flynn) lied to the FBI, a felony.  Subsequently, he fired the FBI Director, James Comey.  That means Trump knew that Flynn was guilty when he asked the FBI Director to stop investigating him (Flynn).  Pressuring the cops to ease off a known guilty suspect is otherwise known as Obstruction of Justice.

Do you have any relevant comment?  Or, do you only have misguided, false gotchas!  Because frankly, your rhetorical comments are mendacious and boring.

sb wrote:Do you really think being an orange buffoon is reason for legal impeachment??

sb wrote:You would take any reason for impeachment because you're intolerant.

sb wrote:Its like I said before, you are as ugly to me as I am to you.

I think your values and standards are perverted and twisted, I think you have embraced the hatred of the world and are a true product of it.

But you don't think that about yourself do you?? You think you have it right, you think you're morally superior to me and that doesn't think the way you do.

But it's not just that is it??

You don't just look down of those you see as beneath you, you despise them, you think they need punishing until they conform, you do hate me sassy, you hate me because I have my views and there is nothing you can do to silence me.

sb wrote:Same thing with trump, the never trump cult don't snatch him gone because of what he has done, the want him gone because of his views are different to theirs..

That's pure fascism.

smelly-bandit wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

What you thought is insignificant.  Most of what you write, Russ, is without knowledge, and is gleaned from trying to put words in my mouth.  Here, we have the former Trump Director of National Security turning state's evidence, and all you have given us so far are missed, attempted gotchas on my patient explanations.  Don't you have anything to add?

Curiously, yesterday morning Trump tweeted that he fired Flynn because he (Flynn) lied to the FBI, a felony.  Subsequently, he fired the FBI Director, James Comey.  That means Trump knew that Flynn was guilty when he asked the FBI Director to stop investigating him (Flynn).  Pressuring the cops to ease off a known guilty suspect is otherwise known as Obstruction of Justice.

Do you have any relevant comment?  Or, do you only have misguided, false gotchas!  Because frankly, your rhetorical comments are mendacious and boring.

You're waffling

Of anything you say is even remotely accurate trump would already be impeached by now.

Original Quill wrote:

sb wrote:Do you really think being an orange buffoon is reason for legal impeachment??

That’s not the reason, although the orange comb-over does raise questions about Trump’s mental/emotional stability.

sb wrote:You would take any reason for impeachment because you're intolerant.

Intolerance of criminal conduct is something we value in a good citizen.

sb wrote:Its like I said before, you are as ugly to me as I am to you.

I think your values and standards are perverted and twisted, I think you have embraced the hatred of the world and are a true product of it.

But you don't think that about yourself do you?? You think you have it right, you think you're morally superior to me and that doesn't think the way you do.

But it's not just that is it??

You don't just look down of those you see as beneath you, you despise them, you think they need punishing until they conform, you do hate me sassy, you hate me because I have my views and there is nothing you can do to silence me.

Have you got anything of substance to say?  This thread is not about sassy.  Address the issues, or stop posting here.

sb wrote:Same thing with trump, the never trump cult don't snatch him gone because of what he has done, the want him gone because of his views are different to theirs..

That's pure fascism.

Trump is really no different than any other accused criminal.  He is the subject of an investigation, and at the end he will be prosecuted if he broke the law…and the evidence is mounting that he did.  

If you think authorities in the act of enforcing the law is fascism…well, go live in an apartheid state.

smelly-bandit wrote:What is the reason??

Yoive swung back and forth so many times it hard to keep up with you are going to impeach him for.

A dodgy comb over??

Too much fake tan??

sb wrote:Wierd sexual preferences??

sb wrote:The reason I'm taking the piss out of you is because you seem Sooooooooooo serious and Sooooooooooo sure about it.

sb wrote:The whole thing is fabricated by CNN who admitted to lying about it.

Meuller is staking his reputation on a fake news report from CNN.

That's why it's funny, and you're gonna be so angry when Im rubbing your nose in it every five minutes

Tommy Monk wrote:Good posting Smelly... most amusing!

smelly-bandit wrote:

sassy wrote:


In your dreams Smelly.   There was never a reason to impeach Obama and you only hated him because he is black.  This orange buffoon has so many things that could bring about his impeachment and the preservation of humanity demands his removal.

As for you Smelly, I don't hate you, I pity you for the fact you were brought up in a country, at a time, that values and humanity were twisted and you have never managed to have the wit or character to change that.   Very sad.

You're just projecting sassy and ignoring.

"the preservation of humanity demands his removal"

Really?? Humanity will die unless trump is removed??

No sassy that is just you viewing the world through the narrow spectrum of your own beliefs and views, most of the things you think of Trump are emotive

Do you really think being an orange buffoon is reason for legal impeachment??

You would take any reason for impeachment because you're intolerant.

Its like I said before, you are as ugly to me as I am to you.

I think your values and standards are perverted and twisted, I think you have embraced the hatred of the world and are a true product of it.

But you don't think that about yourself do you?? You think you have it right, you think you're morally superior to me and that doesn't think the way you do.

But it's not  just that is it??


Do you really think being an orange buffoon is reason for legal impeachment??  

Same thing with trump, the never trump cult don't snatch him gone because of what he has done, the want him gone because of his views are different to theirs..

That's pure fascism.

Tommy Monk wrote:Good posting Smelly... most amusing!

Original Quill wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:What is the reason??

Yoive swung back and forth so many times it hard to keep up with you are going to impeach him for.

A dodgy comb over??

Too much fake tan??

Yes, so many crimes, so little time.  As I said above, the two main allegations will be 1) conspiring with the Russians for many, many violations of the law; and 2) obstruction of justice for attempting to cover up Trump and associates crimes.  The money-laundering, prostitution and human trafficking charges will fall into place in a massive racketeering (RICO) action.

sb wrote:Wierd sexual preferences??

Tempting, but why make it a charge?  It will come up as a part of the Moscovy Kompromat scheme played on the pussy-grabber.

sb wrote:The reason I'm taking the piss out of you is because you seem Sooooooooooo serious and Sooooooooooo sure about it.

Yes, that's what someone would say who has no grounds to be "serious" or "sure" of anything; after the sentencing, you can say...I was just kidding.  

The reason I'm serious and sure--not to mention, delighted--is I hold all the cards.  It's all falling in place just the way I predicted.

sb wrote:The whole thing is fabricated by CNN who admitted to lying about it.

Meuller is staking his reputation on a fake news report from CNN.

That's why it's funny, and you're gonna be so angry when Im rubbing your nose in it every five minutes

Dream on.

sb wrote:holding all the cards?? falling into place as you predicted??

youre full of shit quill

sb wrote:your whole stance has completely evolved.

sb wrote:you're going on as if obstruction of justice was part of the original fantasy that you "predicted", no it wasn't, you never once said obstruction of justice, so how have you "predicted" anything?? you're reacting to things as they happen and then crow barring it into place

the original fairy tale was something like "speaking to Russians in a bar once twenty years ago over drinks during a business meeting"

Original Quill wrote:

sb wrote:you're going on as if obstruction of justice was part of the original fantasy that you "predicted", no it wasn't, you never once said obstruction of justice, so how have you "predicted" anything?? you're reacting to things as they happen and then crow barring it into place

the original fairy tale was something like "speaking to Russians in a bar once twenty years ago over drinks during a business meeting"

We've all been talking about obstruction of justice since Comey was fired on May 8th of this year.  I think the problem is, you didn't know what the term meant, so you didn't catch the factual evidence and its significance.  Only now are you realizing what we have been talking about.

Original Quill wrote:

sb wrote:you're going on as if obstruction of justice was part of the original fantasy that you "predicted", no it wasn't, you never once said obstruction of justice, so how have you "predicted" anything?? you're reacting to things as they happen and then crow barring it into place

the original fairy tale was something like "speaking to Russians in a bar once twenty years ago over drinks during a business meeting"

We've all been talking about obstruction of justice since Comey was fired on May 8th of this year.  I think the problem is, you didn't know what the term meant, so you didn't catch the factual evidence and its significance.  Only now are you realizing what we have been talking about.

sb wrote:the original fairy tale was something like "speaking to Russians in a bar once twenty years ago over drinks during a business meeting"

now its "collusion with Russians" AND "obstruction of justice"

its like a merry-go-round of lunacy with you

let me tell you this, you WILL NOT get trump on collusion with the Russians, you can forget about that right now, it never happened, its a fantasy.

Original Quill wrote:

sb wrote:the original fairy tale was something like "speaking to Russians in a bar once twenty years ago over drinks during a business meeting"

now its "collusion with Russians" AND "obstruction of justice"

its like a merry-go-round of lunacy with you

let me tell you this, you WILL NOT get trump on collusion with the Russians, you can forget about that right now, it never happened, its a fantasy.

Listening to you is like reading a Steinbeck novel.  Too much attention to scenery, and not enough attention to the plot.  The case has been evolving, as you say, only it's been evolving in legal consequences, not in adjectives and adverbs, which are all you seem to remember.

The indictments of Manafort and his assistant are very real indeed.  The convictions of Papadopoulos and Flynn are of even greater significance.  That their charges and the sentence recommendations are light indeed, means that what they are giving is heavy ... and thus well worth it.

Papadopoulos already admits the collusion, and says he reported back to Trump.  He even has a photograph of the meeting in which the report was given.  Flynn admits to speaking in two phone conversations with Kislyak, discussing the easing of sanctions as a quid pro quo for unlawful computer tampering.  That's a conspiracy to violate the CFAA right there.

Another term for obstruction of justice is, cover-up.  Do you remember that term from the Nixon era?  The lies told by Papadopoulos and Flynn are a part of the cover-up, the firing of Comey is a big part.  Plus, every tweet that pussy-grabber issues denying the collusion, is a further part of the cover-up.

You've just been watching the Azaleas, Dahlias and Chrysanthemums.  You've been watching scenery, not understanding how the plot goes.  Or, you may be in denial, eh?

sb wrote:you said collusion with Russians now its obstruction of justice, we all know your hail Mary pass is the golden shower video tape in Putins vault which you will never get your hands on.

smelly-bandit wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Listening to you is like reading a Steinbeck novel.  Too much attention to scenery, and not enough attention to the plot.  The case has been evolving, as you say, only it's been evolving in legal consequences, not in adjectives and adverbs, which are all you seem to remember.

The indictments of Manafort and his assistant are very real indeed.  The convictions of Papadopoulos and Flynn are of even greater significance.  That their charges and the sentence recommendations are light indeed, means that what they are giving is heavy ... and thus well worth it.

Papadopoulos already admits the collusion, and says he reported back to Trump.  He even has a photograph of the meeting in which the report was given.  Flynn admits to speaking in two phone conversations with Kislyak, discussing the easing of sanctions as a quid pro quo for unlawful computer tampering.  That's a conspiracy to violate the CFAA right there.

Another term for obstruction of justice is, cover-up.  Do you remember that term from the Nixon era?  The lies told by Papadopoulos and Flynn are a part of the cover-up, the firing of Comey is a big part.  Plus, every tweet that pussy-grabber issues denying the collusion, is a further part of the cover-up.

You've just been watching the Azaleas, Dahlias and Chrysanthemums.  You've been watching scenery, not understanding how the plot goes.  Or, you may be in denial, eh?

what were manafort and padadopulos charged for??

not what you think they were charged for but what they were actually charged for??

sassy wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

You're just projecting sassy and ignoring.

"the preservation of humanity demands his removal"

Really?? Humanity will die unless trump is removed??

No sassy that is just you viewing the world through the narrow spectrum of your own beliefs and views, most of the things you think of Trump are emotive

Do you really think being an orange buffoon is reason for legal impeachment??

You would take any reason for impeachment because you're intolerant.

Its like I said before, you are as ugly to me as I am to you.

I think your values and standards are perverted and twisted, I think you have embraced the hatred of the world and are a true product of it.

But you don't think that about yourself do you?? You think you have it right, you think you're morally superior to me and that doesn't think the way you do.

But it's not  just that is it??


Do you really think being an orange buffoon is reason for legal impeachment??  

Same thing with trump, the never trump cult don't snatch him gone because of what he has done, the want him gone because of his views are different to theirs..

That's pure fascism.

Oh bless, I see the Dodgy one has been giving you greens if you write anything against me Smelly, don't you feel loved lol

sb wrote:essentially whats happened is that this investigation has started on fake news from CNN, its turning out to be a nothing burger, so muller realizing his career and reputation are on the line has started shaking the tree for all he is worth in the hopes something drops out.

Original Quill wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:


what were manafort and padadopulos charged for??

not what you think they were charged for but what they were actually charged for??

Manafort and Papadopoulos were charged for breaking the law.  

If they wish to squeal about the total conspiracy in hopes of a lighter sentence, how fortuitous for a grateful nation.  

sb wrote:maybe i dont understand it all, maybe he will go down. i dont know what muller has up his sleeve,i dont know what trump has done

if trump is guilty then he is guilty, im not suggesting that he should get a free pass like Clinton did.

no amount of saying no, will change it if it he is guilty