The New Era of Trumpcare

by Original Quill Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:23 pm

Trump is replacing the Affordable Care Act with Trumpcare...denial of any healthcare program for any Americans. He does this not with the skillful hands of a surgeon, but with a wrecking ball:

CNN Politics wrote:Trump begins Obamacare dismantling with executive order
By Tami Luhby and Kevin Liptak, CNN
Thu October 12, 2017

(CNN)Fake President Trump took his first steps Thursday toward fulfilling his vow to dismantle Obamacare, signing an executive order that he says will bring affordable health insurance to millions more people.

The order broadly tasks the administration with developing policies to increase health care competition and choice in order to improve the quality of health care and lower prices.

However, it could also destabilize Obamacare by siphoning out younger and healthier Americans from the exchanges.

The order, Trump said from the Roosevelt Room of the White House, would give "millions of Americans with Obamacare relief." It would "cost the United States government virtually nothing and people will have great great health care. And when I say people, I mean by the millions and millions."

Trump said the measures "should have been done a long time ago, and could have been done a long time ago."

Specifically, the President is directing the Labor Department to study how to make it easier for small businesses, and possibly individuals, to join together and buy health insurance through nationwide association health plans. The department could give employers in the same industries more flexibility to offer group coverage across state lines, providing them with a broader range of policies at lower rates.

Bipartisan health care negotiations continue in Senate

Separately, the order would allow consumers to buy short-term policies, which don't have to comply with Obamacare's protections for those with pre-existing conditions.

Also, it looks to broaden the ability of employers to give workers money to buy their own coverage through health reimbursement arrangements, known as HRAs.

The changes could take six months or more to take effect, a senior administration official said.

Critics, however, worry that the order may free these association health plans from several key Obamacare regulations and from state oversight, allowing them to sell plans with lower premiums but skimpier benefits. That could draw younger and healthier customers away from Obamacare and send premiums skyrocketing for sicker people left in the exchanges.

Still needs Congress

Though Congress has shelved its effort to repeal and replace Obamacare, a signature campaign promise for the President, Trump has not let it go. While he cannot wipe away the health reform law with the stroke of a pen, Trump -- who often blasted former President Barack Obama for using executive orders -- can use those orders to direct agencies to amend guidance and regulations to broaden how the law is implemented.

His plan announced Thursday has drawn backing from lawmakers like Sen. Rand Paul, the Kentucky Republican who has identified specific reforms that could be made by the President alone. Paul, who also criticized Obama on executive orders, was among those present for the signing.

The order could let millions of Americans sign up for coverage comparable to that offered by large companies, which is generally well-regarded, Paul said in a press conference. The policies could be open to small firms but also to large organizations, he said, citing the International Franchise Association, which has millions of members.
Paul brushed aside concerns that those in association health plans would have skimpy coverage.

"Why don't we let the little individual -- the plumber, the baker, the accountant, the small doctor or attorney -- let them join together in associations and so they can have the same buying power that the big corporations have," Paul told CNN's Jake Tapper on "The Lead."

Trump's efforts with congressional Republicans to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act have floundered after analyses of the GOP replacement plans showed the number of Americans without insurance would increase by more than 20 million people, as compared to current law.

Democrats railed against Trump's move, saying it would hurt the current health care markets.

"Having failed to repeal the #ACA in Congress, @POTUS is using a wrecking ball to singlehandedly rip apart & sabotage our healthcare system," Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-New York, tweeted.

"This is a case where doing something is worse than doing nothing," Ezekiel Emanuel, an oncologist and one of the architects of Obamacare, said on CNN. "It's not going to solve the problem at all and remember, it effects a very small number of people."

"It won't do anything for a lot of the people on the exchange who are not members of franchises or trade associations," Emanuel said. "So this is more show than actual reality in terms of making health care affordable for Americans."

What the order may do

Exactly how the agencies would change current regulations remains to be seen.
Association health plans, which are usually sponsored by trade organizations or interest groups, already exist. Spurred by the executive order, federal agencies could amend the rules governing these plans so they are no longer subject to state regulation, said health policy experts. Instead, the nationwide plans may come under the same federal oversight as large-employer policies.

Large group plans do not have to adhere to all of Obamacare's provisions, such as the requirement to provide comprehensive policies that cover prescription drugs, mental health and substance abuse, according to Kevin Lucia, project director at Georgetown University's Health Policy Institute.

The switch could also allow association plans to deny coverage to the group or set rates based on the medical history of those in the group, so plans with younger, healthier members could offer lower premiums. The administration said that employers participating in these plans would not be allowed to exclude employees or develop premiums based on health conditions.

The President's action also looks to expand the use of short-term insurance plans. These policies are also not subject to Obamacare regulations so they can exclude those with pre-existing conditions or base rates on consumers' health background. Also, they usually offer less comprehensive coverage.

The Obama administration limited these plans' coverage to 90 days. Previously, they had been available for up to a year.

This story has been updated.

by eddie Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:36 pm

The US healthcare system is absolutely awful.
I don't think we in the UK, appreciate how splendid our NHS healthcare system is.

by Original Quill Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:57 pm

eddie wrote:The US healthcare system is absolutely awful.
I don't think we in the UK, appreciate how splendid our NHS healthcare system is.

The NHS is the model for single-payer plans in the US...only we can afford it.

All we need to do is unfund the Defense Department, which is afflicted by mission creep, anyway. It hasn't done any "defending" of American territory since WWII.

by Guest Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:12 pm

You impeached the god emperor yet??

Let me guess, any day now

by Original Quill Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:55 am

smelly-bandit wrote:You impeached the god emperor yet??

Let me guess, any day now

You seem anxious, tommy. Don't tell me you need a day-care nanny, too?

by 'Wolfie Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:20 am

smelly-bandit wrote:
You impeached the god emperor yet??

Let me guess, any day now

You impeached your brain yet, oh SmellyOne ?

by veya_victaous Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:42 am

Original Quill wrote:
eddie wrote:The US healthcare system is absolutely awful.
I don't think we in the UK, appreciate how splendid our NHS healthcare system is.

The NHS is the model for single-payer plans in the US...only we can afford it.

All we need to do is unfund the Defense Department, which is afflicted by mission creep, anyway. It hasn't done any "defending" of American territory since WWII.

no, it's not

the UK (like Australia) has 'Tax-based financing' not single payer, the NHS is not insurance, it is a service paid for with taxes.
NHS/Medicare hospitals are Public assets, not private companies
the systems are not even comparable as ours are based entirely in Socialist doctrine, taxes paid to build and pay to maintain and run the facilities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care

by Guest Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:46 am

eddie wrote:The US healthcare system is absolutely awful.
I don't think we in the UK, appreciate how splendid our NHS healthcare system is.

You're joking aren't you??

The NHS is a complete joke.

Sure it's free but then again you get what you pay for.

by Guest Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:37 pm

But if people are poor free health care is a God send and to be honest I have never had a problem receiving care from the NHS - feel blessed to live in a country that provides free treatment - well we all pay into it but still we can get treated when we are sick and not have to worry about a huge bill .

by 'Wolfie Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:46 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
eddie wrote:The US healthcare system is absolutely awful.
I don't think we in the UK, appreciate how splendid our NHS healthcare system is.

You're joking aren't you??

The NHS is a complete joke.

Sure it's free but then again you get what you pay for.

Your adopted country's NHS was a pretty decent enough system as it was set up...

It was your beloved last couple of incompetent Tory guvm'nts that gutted the system and screwed it over..

If you genuinely believe that either Trump's plans for Amerika, or your former homeland's limited healthcare systems, are in any way superior, you really are one sick little puppy, SmellyBumster !

by Guest Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:49 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
eddie wrote:The US healthcare system is absolutely awful.
I don't think we in the UK, appreciate how splendid our NHS healthcare system is.

You're joking aren't you??

The NHS is a complete joke.

Sure it's free but then again you get what you pay for.

Eh?

Its a joke how many lives are saved?

Its hardly a joke when the world is drawn here partly because of our free health care system

Anyway, poor misdirection

Can you in anyway defend the US health care system?

Obama care actually allowed more people to have care to the tune of Millions.

Explain how to you that is bad?

by Guest Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:52 pm

Vicar of Dibley (vod) wrote:But if people are poor free health care is a God send and to be honest I have never had a problem receiving care from the NHS - feel blessed to live in a country that provides free treatment - well we all pay into it but still we can get treated when we are sick and not have to worry about a huge bill .

How does God come into this?

Based on the teachings of Jesus, healthcare would have no cost.

Every nation should provide free health care

by eddie Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:54 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
eddie wrote:The US healthcare system is absolutely awful.
I don't think we in the UK, appreciate how splendid our NHS healthcare system is.

You're joking aren't you??

The NHS is a complete joke.

Sure it's free but then again you get what you pay for.

Wow. How ungrateful. Would you rather live in America and see how quickly your arse gets saved?

by Andy Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:16 pm

I would rather Stench moved to America. He would be a fine recruit for the KKK.

by Guest Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:19 pm

Angry Andy wrote:I would rather Stench moved to American He would be a fine recruit for the KKK.

Which then makes you comparable to him, as he wishes to deny people here based on their beliefs?

I would rather he actually saw sense.

It maybe a "Forlorn Hope", but I never give up in the hope, that one daily smelly will not be possessed as he surely is by hate, but of a view that is positive.

by Andy Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:33 pm

Cats chance in hell of Stench not being oissessed with hatred. He was born into apartheid. Grew up with it. Lives by it's doctrine. And will see out his days with simmering hatred.

by Guest Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:39 pm

Angry Andy wrote:Cats chance in hell of Stench not being oissessed with hatred. He was born into aoartheid. Grew up with it. Lives by it's doctrine. And will see out his days with simmering hatred.

And yet he has come to a nation that has some of the most Liberal values

He maybe a hateful twat, he sadly has not been guided by what right paths to follow..

The question to ask yourself is if you are guided like smelly by hate or reason?

by Andy Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:43 pm

By reason, hope and obeying the law of the land I love.
I also realised a long time ago arguing with someone with fixed ideas is a waste of time.
So I make my point once and once only.
Life is too short to try to persuade the unpersuadeable.

by Guest Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:50 pm

Angry Andy wrote:By reason, hope and obeying the law of the land I love.
I also realised a long time ago arguing with someone with fixed ideas is a waste of time.
So I make my point once and once only.
Life is too short to try to persuade the unpersuadeable.

Well the law of the land once embraced slavery and criminlizing homosexuality

So are you saying Saudi's should embrace their laws Andy?

If you believe that people cannot change, then you have no conception of history.

People have changed and they have in the main changed for the better.

by Andy Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:11 pm

Read my post.
I said I obey the laws of the land I love.

You brought Saudi up.

Misdirection at it's most blatent.

And I wont argue the point, because you are a fine example of the unpersuadable.
You love the arguement for arguement's sake.

by Guest Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:13 pm

Angry Andy wrote:Read my post.
I said I obey the laws of the land I love.

You brought Saudi up.

Misdirection at it's most blatent.

And I wont argue the piint, because you are a fine example of the unpersuadable.
You love the arguement gor arguements sake.

Well the law of the land is subjective is it not?

I do love to show how poor arguments made are and you do this now

Smelly would like to deny people based on beliefs.

Do you back this view or not?

by Guest Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:23 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

You're joking aren't you??

The NHS is a complete joke.

Sure it's free but then again you get what you pay for.

Your adopted country's NHS was a pretty decent enough system as it was set up...

It was your beloved last couple of incompetent Tory guvm'nts that gutted the system and screwed it over..

If you genuinely believe that either Trump's plans for Amerika, or your former homeland's limited healthcare systems, are in any way superior, you really are one sick little puppy, SmellyBumster !

south Africa's health care rips the NHS up for arsehole paper

because its privatized and in life we all get what we pay for.

you wont be turned away from a doctor in south Africa, you can walk into any dentist and get seen there and then. you can keep your shitty crumbling socialist hospital murder factory, ill take private health care any day

oh yeah and here a little tidbit for you

while the NHS was sentencing people to death for bad hearts, south African doctor Christiaan Barnard was performing the worlds first human to human heart transplant

sounds like a really good system

by eddie Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:25 pm

Do they treat black people as equally as white people when it comes to healthcare in South Africa?

by Guest Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:25 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Your adopted country's NHS was a pretty decent enough system as it was set up...

It was your beloved last couple of incompetent Tory guvm'nts that gutted the system and screwed it over..

If you genuinely believe that either Trump's plans for Amerika, or your former homeland's limited healthcare systems, are in any way superior, you really are one sick little puppy, SmellyBumster !

south Africa's health care rips the NHS up for arsehole paper

because its privatized and in life we all get what we pay for.

you wont be turned away from a doctor in south Africa, you can walk into any dentist and get seen there and then. you can keep your shitty crumbling socialist hospital murder factory, ill take private health care any day

oh yeah and here a little tidbit for you

while the NHS was sentencing people to death for bad hearts, south African doctor Christiaan Barnard was performing the worlds first human to human heart transplant

sounds like a really good system

Wow

So you make claims and not back them up

How are people turned awy from medical needs they have?

So your view on South Africa, is to ignore years of racism and go off one heart specialist?

Seriously?

by Guest Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:27 pm

eddie wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

You're joking aren't you??

The NHS is a complete joke.

Sure it's free but then again you get what you pay for.

Wow. How ungrateful. Would you rather live in America and see how quickly your arse gets saved?

very quickly because im a law abiding hard working citizen, ill be able to afford my health care.

why should i have to pay for the lifelong treatment for some fat useless fuck that cant be bothered to keep himself healthy?? or pay for gender reassignment surgery but then have to watch people struggling for kids get told "sorry we cant afford to help you"

no no no the NHS needs to be dismantled and sold off the private companies, our national insurance refunded to us and so we can spend it on private health care instead

by Guest Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:29 pm

eddie wrote:Do they treat black people as equally as white people when it comes to healthcare in South Africa?

you pay for health care in south Africa and they charge you the same amount whether you're black or white

if you don't have private health care, then black or white you go to die in the government run hospitals which in many cases or not that dissimilar to some NHS hospitals

by Guest Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:30 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
eddie wrote:

Wow. How ungrateful. Would you rather live in America and see how quickly your arse gets saved?

very quickly because im a law abiding hard working citizen, ill be able to afford my health care.

why should i have to pay for the lifelong treatment for some fat useless fuck that cant be bothered to keep himself healthy?? or pay for gender reassignment surgery but then have to watch people struggling for kids get told "sorry we cant afford to help you"

no no no the NHS needs to be dismantled and sold off the private companies, our national insurance refunded to us and so we can spend it on private health care instead

So you are against providing health care to children then based on body mass and the reality they pay nothing?

Not on the reality, children cannot pay for health care.

So do you think anyone that drinks and smokes should be denied health care based on how you class something negligent?

by Original Quill Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:00 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

The NHS is the model for single-payer plans in the US...only we can afford it.

All we need to do is unfund the Defense Department, which is afflicted by mission creep, anyway. It hasn't done any "defending" of American territory since WWII.

no, it's not

the UK (like Australia) has 'Tax-based financing' not single payer, the NHS is not insurance, it is a service paid for with taxes.
NHS/Medicare hospitals are Public assets, not private companies
the systems are not even comparable as ours are based entirely in Socialist doctrine, taxes paid to build and pay to maintain and run the facilities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care

Veya...shhh. "Single-payer" is a synonym for socialized medicine. Who do you think the single payer turns out to be??

Insurance companies make bets; there's no wager or loss with the government. Insurance companies take risks; there's no risk with the government. Insurance companies take profits; there's no profit-taking with the government. If a government enters an insurance market as a player, you can be sure it's no longer a market.

If the government enters the market, it will be the sole player. Get it?...single payer. Payment is guaranteed and made by the government, ultimately through taxes. That's why Bernie keeps calling it "Medicare for all". "Single-payer" is Bernie's way of avoiding saying "socialized medicine" or "NHS".

by eddie Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:07 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
eddie wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

You're joking aren't you??

The NHS is a complete joke.

Sure it's free but then again you get what you pay for.

Wow. How ungrateful. Would you rather live in America and see how quickly your arse gets saved?

very quickly because im a law abiding hard working citizen, ill be able to afford my health care.

why should i have to pay for the lifelong treatment for some fat useless fuck that cant be bothered to keep himself healthy?? or pay for gender reassignment surgery but then have to watch people struggling for kids get told "sorry we cant afford to help you"

no no no the NHS needs to be dismantled and sold off the private companies, our national insurance refunded to us and so we can spend it on private health care instead

You're incredibly selfish and insular. You know that, right?
Private health care for all?
What about people on low incomes, the unemployed, the people who've just arrived and need urgent medical attention?

by Original Quill Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:17 pm

SB wrote:why should i have to pay for the lifelong treatment for some fat useless fuck that cant be bothered to keep himself healthy?? or pay for gender reassignment surgery but then have to watch people struggling for kids get told "sorry we cant afford to help you

These are the same questions I ask everyday about defense spending. Why should I have to pay for some Admiral's toys? Why should I have to pay for Trump's ego? Why should I have to pay for some oil company's greed for oil under another country's land?

But as between soldiers killing babies, and doctors saving lives, I'll take the latter every time. Let's reduce defense spending and put the savings into a comprehensive healthcare program.

by eddie Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:18 pm

Original Quill wrote:
SB wrote:why should i have to pay for the lifelong treatment for some fat useless fuck that cant be bothered to keep himself healthy?? or pay for gender reassignment surgery but then have to watch people struggling for kids get told "sorry we cant afford to help you

These are the same questions I ask everyday about defense spending. Why should I have to pay for some Admiral's toys? Why should I have to pay for Trump's ego? Why should I have to pay for some oil company's greed for oil under another country's land?

But as between soldiers killing babies, and doctors saving lives, I'll take the latter. Let's reduce defense spending and put the savings into a comprehensive healthcare program.

You and I are totally on the same page with this opinion.

by Guest Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:19 pm

Original Quill wrote:
SB wrote:why should i have to pay for the lifelong treatment for some fat useless fuck that cant be bothered to keep himself healthy?? or pay for gender reassignment surgery but then have to watch people struggling for kids get told "sorry we cant afford to help you

These are the same questions I ask everyday about defense spending. Why should I have to pay for some Admiral's toys? Why should I have to pay for Trump's ego? Why should I have to pay for some oil company's greed for oil under another country's land?

But as between soldiers killing babies, and doctors saving lives, I'll take the latter every time. Let's reduce defense spending and put the savings into a comprehensive healthcare program.

There is a simple answer here

What is the cost of your freedom compared to health?

Trick question, so really think

by Original Quill Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:44 pm

Didge wrote:What is the cost of your freedom compared to health?

My answer would be: All out of proportion.

US freedom is not at risk from an outslde threat. US territory has not been invaded since 30 May 1943, when the Japanese Empire invaded Attu Island, Alaska. The US is being invaded from the inside, but that is more like a cancer...an issue not addressed by the defense department (currently).

Both personal health and political health are at rising risk in the US. Less defense spending, the savings going into a proper healthcare program for all, is step one. Perhaps, some of the savings might go into a joint department of cyber security.

Step two is for the US to stop being a nation of the privileged few, and more a nation of equal justice under the law. It's now becoming commonplace for the law to be an instrument of domination of the poor, with the few (Trump, Cheney) being permitted to skirt the law with impunity.

We have few enemies threatening us from without. We do, however, have many enemies threatening us from within...both medically, and politically.

by Guest Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:47 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Didge wrote:What is the cost of your freedom compared to health?

My answer would be: All out of proportion.

US freedom is not at risk from an outslde threat. US territory has not been invaded since 30 May 1943, when the Japanese Empire invaded Attu Island, Alaska. The US is being invaded from the inside, but that is more like a cancer...an issue not addressed by the defense department (currently).

Both personal health and political health are at rising risk in the US. Less defense spending, the savings going into a proper healthcare program for all, is step one. Perhaps, some of the savings might go into a joint department of cyber security.

Step two is for the US to stop being a nation of the privileged few, and more a nation of equal justice under the law. It's now becoming commonplace for the law to be an instrument of domination of the poor, with the few (Trump, Cheney) being permitted to skirt the law with impunity.

We have few enemies threatening us from without. We do, however, have many enemies threatening us from within...both medically, and politically.

So you argument is based on what has happened and not what could happen

How misguided

The US has countless enemies

The worst war in American history is its civil war and you advocate a position that could create another Civil war. Not over anything rational, but your rejection of democracy.

by Guest Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:11 pm

eddie wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

very quickly because im a law abiding hard working citizen, ill be able to afford my health care.

why should i have to pay for the lifelong treatment for some fat useless fuck that cant be bothered to keep himself healthy?? or pay for gender reassignment surgery but then have to watch people struggling for kids get told "sorry we cant afford to help you"

no no no the NHS needs to be dismantled and sold off the private companies, our national insurance refunded to us and so we can spend it on private health care instead

You're incredibly selfish and insular. You know that, right?
Private health care for all?
What about people on low incomes, the unemployed, the people who've just arrived and need urgent medical attention?

im selfish because i don't want to pay for some inconsiderate prick who cant stop eating McDonalds?? or cant stop smoking or drinking and then has to go on life long medication paid for by me??

errr nope

by eddie Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:22 pm

Some people gain weight due to health reasons and some people are alcoholics because of past traumas.

What about people who have cancer? Should they have to die because they cannot afford treatment?

by Guest Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:41 pm

eddie wrote:Some people gain weight due to health reasons and some people are alcoholics because of past traumas.

What about people who have cancer? Should they have to die because they cannot afford treatment?

what about people who want IVF but are not being given it because the NHS is too busy wasting money on gender reassignment surgery or breast enlargements or gastric bands??

dont the IVF couple also have a right to benefit from some of the services paid for by money that THEY are paying in??

apparently getting treatment for self inflicted lung cancer from smoking 30 a day for the last 60 years is a higher priority

the NHS should be about treating illness, not about enabling self indulge arseholes with self inflected sicknesses continue their destructive lifestyles at everyone elses expense

tell you what??

how about we have an opt in/opt out system??

i choose to opt out and take my national insurance and go private, you can opt in the NHS and pay for yourself and everyone else, the NHS is like the bbc license, if they weren't compulsory they would disappear overnight, because they arent worth the money

by Original Quill Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:11 pm

Didge wrote:The US has countless enemies

Words! Useless, idle words. Trump uses them too. A recent count has Trump at 1,800 falsehoods since taking office.

So you use the same strategy, eh?

by Guest Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:30 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Didge wrote:The US has countless enemies

Words! Useless, idle words. Trump uses them too. A recent count has Trump at 1,800 falsehoods since taking office.

So you use the same strategy, eh?

The I suggest you get out in the real world and see the Us has actual enemies

by Guest Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:31 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
eddie wrote:

You're incredibly selfish and insular. You know that, right?
Private health care for all?
What about people on low incomes, the unemployed, the people who've just arrived and need urgent medical attention?

im selfish because i don't want to pay for some inconsiderate prick who cant stop eating McDonalds?? or cant stop smoking or drinking and then has to go on life long medication paid for by me??

errr nope

Then are you willing to pay for all your health care throughout your life?

The actual costs of this?

You came to this country, abide by its rules or fuck off

Simple

by Guest Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:05 pm

Didge wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

im selfish because i don't want to pay for some inconsiderate prick who cant stop eating McDonalds?? or cant stop smoking or drinking and then has to go on life long medication paid for by me??

errr nope

Then are you willing to pay for all your health care throughout your life?

The actual costs of this?

You came to this country, abide by its rules or fuck off

Simple

*Chortle *

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