please oh please let this end in civil war

Spain storm may end in a civil war, says EU official: Ally of Angela Merkel warns 'very worrying' situation risks spiralling into an armed conflict

Spain could soon erupt into civil war, a top EU official warned yesterday as the crisis in Catalonia deepened.

In a highly-charged intervention, Gunther Oettinger said the dispute over the region’s independence risked spiralling into Western Europe’s first armed conflict for decades.

Despite the EU’s reluctance to become involved, Mr Oettinger, an ally of Angela Merkel who serves as the bloc’s budget commissioner, said the situation is ‘very, very worrying’. ‘There is a civil war imaginable now in the middle of Europe,’ he said. ‘One can only hope that a thread of conversation will soon be recorded between Madrid and Barcelona.’

The use of the phrase ‘civil war’ is particularly antagonistic to Spain due to its bloody civil war from 1936 to 1939.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4953982/Spain-storm-end-civil-war-says-EU-official.html

That could be a somewhat one-sided "civil war", though...

Catalonia's population of less than 8 million makes up roughly 16% out of Spain's total population of around 47 million..

What kind of person really hopes for civil war, though?

Hopefully it won't. With such a huge number apparently voting for independence, it's something Spain has to take seriously and not simply respond to with violence.

Eilzel wrote:What kind of person really hopes for civil war, though?

Hopefully it won't. With such a huge number apparently voting for independence, it's something Spain has to take seriously and not simply respond to with violence.

one that longs to be free from the EU

you might like being a dog slave to unelected dictators, but i for one do not

Catalonia could be the catalyst the shatter the EU forever

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

That could be a somewhat one-sided "civil war", though...

Catalonia's population of less than 8 million makes up roughly 16% out of Spain's total population of around 47 million..

well the Muslim population of the UK is only about 4% and they basically own the UK after the country surrendered after just a few acts of terrorism

smelly-bandit wrote:

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

That could be a somewhat one-sided "civil war", though...

Catalonia's population of less than 8 million makes up roughly 16% out of Spain's total population of around 47 million..

well the Muslim population of the UK is only about 4% and they basically own the UK after the country surrendered after just a few acts of terrorism

Yes of course!

Only in your tiny little world.

SEXY MAMA wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

well the Muslim population of the UK is only about 4% and they basically own the UK after the country surrendered after just a few acts of terrorism

Yes of course!  

Only in your tiny little world.

in the real world mamas

i mean if you're a Muslim you can pretend to be stabbed and the police will take you seriously

if you're a Muslim you can rape as many white British girls as you want with government endorsement and a ring of police protection

if you're Muslim, you can slaughter innocent children at a concert and your community gets treated like the victim of Islamophobia

no matter a Muslim does, the uk government will defend them

one white gunman shoots 59 other white people and every man and his dog is calling for white men to be subjected to genocide and interned

smelly-bandit wrote:

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Yes of course!  

Only in your tiny little world.

in the real world mamas

i mean if you're a Muslim you can pretend to be stabbed and the police will take you seriously

if you're a Muslim you can rape as many white British girls as you want with government endorsement and a ring of police protection

if you're Muslim, you can slaughter innocent children at a concert and your community gets treated like the victim of Islamophobia

no matter a Muslim does, the uk government will defend them

one white gunman shoots 59 other white people and every man and his dog is calling for white men to be subjected to genocide  and interned

Yeah and we treat the Muslim terrorist with so much respect dont we!

We all want them dead and rightly so.

As I said in your own tiny world. You are so full of hatred that your brain can't detect when atrocity occurs with Muslims.

SEXY MAMA wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

in the real world mamas

i mean if you're a Muslim you can pretend to be stabbed and the police will take you seriously

if you're a Muslim you can rape as many white British girls as you want with government endorsement and a ring of police protection

if you're Muslim, you can slaughter innocent children at a concert and your community gets treated like the victim of Islamophobia

no matter a Muslim does, the uk government will defend them

one white gunman shoots 59 other white people and every man and his dog is calling for white men to be subjected to genocide  and interned

Yeah and we treat the Muslim terrorist with so much respect dont we!

We all want them dead and rightly so.

As I said in your own tiny world. You are so full of hatred that your brain can't detect when atrocity occurs with Muslims.

atrocities??

you mean like the Muslim group ISIS???

smelly-bandit wrote:

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Yes of course!  

Only in your tiny little world.

in the real world mamas

i mean if you're a Muslim you can pretend to be stabbed and the police will take you seriously

if you're a Muslim you can rape as many white British girls as you want with government endorsement and a ring of police protection

if you're Muslim, you can slaughter innocent children at a concert and your community gets treated like the victim of Islamophobia

no matter a Muslim does, the uk government will defend them

one white gunman shoots 59 other white people and every man and his dog is calling for white men to be subjected to genocide  and interned

+1

Eilzel wrote:What kind of person really hopes for civil war, though?

Hopefully it won't. With such a huge number apparently voting for independence, it's something Spain has to take seriously and not simply respond to with violence.

because it was inevitable to happen sooner or later and I'm not sure Spain will be the only one

the longer it boils the worse it will be so let it happen now and get it over with

The EU will be destroyed by it's own member states

gelico wrote:

Eilzel wrote:What kind of person really hopes for civil war, though?

Hopefully it won't. With such a huge number apparently voting for independence, it's something Spain has to take seriously and not simply respond to with violence.

because it was inevitable to happen sooner or later and I'm not sure Spain will be the only one

the longer it boils the worse it will be so let it happen now and get it over with

The EU will be destroyed by it's own member states

agree + 1

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

That could be a somewhat one-sided "civil war", though...

Catalonia's population of less than 8 million makes up roughly 16% out of Spain's total population of around 47 million..

Most of the countries in Europe have populations of less than 12million... there are only 8 with greater number population than 12million... and two of those have lower population than Australia...

gelico wrote:

Eilzel wrote:What kind of person really hopes for civil war, though?

Hopefully it won't. With such a huge number apparently voting for independence, it's something Spain has to take seriously and not simply respond to with violence.

because it was inevitable to happen sooner or later and I'm not sure Spain will be the only one

the longer it boils the worse it will be so let it happen now and get it over with

The EU will be destroyed by it's own member states

Whether it is 'inevitable' or not is entirely subjective, and I don't agree.

Regardless, it is very easy to sit and casually say 'let's get it (civil war) over with' when it won't you feeling the effects.

Eilzel wrote:What kind of person really hopes for civil war, though?

Hopefully it won't. With such a huge number apparently voting for independence, it's something Spain has to take seriously and not simply respond to with violence.

An extreme uber-troll who has trolled the living daylights out of  this site since the minute he landed, that's who.
He does not bother me in the slightest. I don't know him from Adam, I know nowt about him.


But I have to ask this: All the people who hustled ziz out shouting ''troll, troll, troll'' at him? Where are they now????
Ziz posted holiday photos and happily bantered on any topic with any friendly face. He never swore or cussed, cos he's a gentleman.

OK I won't mention ziz again on here, but sorry, I just could not resist answering Elizel's excellent question.

Yeah Ziz was a completely different poster to smelly and actually far more underhanded - let's not compare apples to oranges.

It's interesting to note that some people who dislike a certain person's opinions call that person a troll. There's a big difference.

And, might I add, Ziz is welcome back anytime he likes.

eddie wrote:Yeah Ziz was a completely different poster to smelly and actually far more underhanded - let's not compare apples to oranges.

It's interesting to note that some people who dislike a certain person's opinions call that person a troll. There's a big difference.

And, might I add, Ziz is welcome back anytime he likes.

Underhand?
Please don't trash someone who is not here to defend himself. Isn't that what you always say? 
No he will never come back. He did not deserve the hysteria unleashed on him, over nothing.
His face just did not fit and that was that. 

I liked Ziz, Az, Aziz whatever...I even liked him way back when he was Henry.

He is a troll though.

Jules wrote:An extreme uber-troll who has trolled the living daylights out of  this site since the minute he landed, that's who.
He does not bother me in the slightest. I don't know him from Adam, I know nowt about him.

He is a plant from the Troll farm in St. Petersburg, here to plant fake news in western media outlets.  He lines up with Russian interests right down the line.  This is particularly so since Putin has had a split with Trump, whereupon the Russian interests altered because Trump couldn't deliver lifting the sanctions.  His political views are lockstep with Russian interests.

I now affectionately call him Russ--short for Russo--as our pet Kremlin lapdog.  Every website should have one.  Please feel free.  Also, look for others from St. Petersburg who come slightly after him.  The troll farm MO is to send others to help out, as soon as one of their number has been outed.

Syl wrote:I liked Ziz, Az, Aziz whatever...I even liked him way back when he was Henry.

He is a troll though.

I haven't a clue who he is / was. Have I missed any thing?

Jules wrote:

eddie wrote:Yeah Ziz was a completely different poster to smelly and actually far more underhanded - let's not compare apples to oranges.

It's interesting to note that some people who dislike a certain person's opinions call that person a troll. There's a big difference.

And, might I add, Ziz is welcome back anytime he likes.

Underhand?
Please don't trash someone who is not here to defend himself. Isn't that what you always say? 
No he will never come back. He did not deserve the hysteria unleashed on him, over nothing.
His face just did not fit and that was that. 

Why mention him if you only wanted people to drool over him?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Jules wrote:

Underhand?
Please don't trash someone who is not here to defend himself. Isn't that what you always say? 
No he will never come back. He did not deserve the hysteria unleashed on him, over nothing.
His face just did not fit and that was that. 

Why mention him if you only wanted people to drool over him?

Drooling over Aziz?

BTW, it was his comment on the other place (not sure what the rules about mentioning other forums are), that made me wander over here.

Maddog wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Why mention him if you only wanted people to drool over him?

Drooling over Aziz?  

BTW, it was his comment on the other place (not sure what the rules about mentioning other forums are), that made me wander over here.  

Jules mentioned him out of the blue, singing his praises, and then complained when someone didn't drool over him too.

What other place? you are allowed to tell me.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Drooling over Aziz?  

BTW, it was his comment on the other place (not sure what the rules about mentioning other forums are), that made me wander over here.  

Jules mentioned him out of the blue, singing his praises, and then complained when someone didn't drool over him too.

Well, Aziz is OK in small doses.

Maddog wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Jules mentioned him out of the blue, singing his praises, and then complained when someone didn't drool over him too.

Well, Aziz is OK in small doses.  

There was no need for her to mention him at all.

nicko wrote:What other place?   you are allowed to tell me.

Ask Rags.

nicko wrote:What other place?   you are allowed to tell me.

I should think he means Dogs Sleeping forum.

Raggamuffin wrote:

nicko wrote:What other place?   you are allowed to tell me.

I should think he means Dogs Sleeping forum.

I was giggle when Brits say "I should think".

Anyway, that would be correcto mundo.

Maddog wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I should think he means Dogs Sleeping forum.

I was giggle when Brits say "I should think".

Anyway, that would be correcto mundo.  

I always think it's funny when Americans say "I could care less".

Been on "dogs" a few times , not a member though.

Miffs2 wrote:

Syl wrote:I liked Ziz, Az, Aziz whatever...I even liked him way back when he was Henry.

He is a troll though.

I haven't a clue who he is / was. Have I missed any thing?

Someone who has been around under various guises for years.
He posted here but only for a short time Miffs.

Jules wrote:

Eilzel wrote:What kind of person really hopes for civil war, though?

Hopefully it won't. With such a huge number apparently voting for independence, it's something Spain has to take seriously and not simply respond to with violence.

An extreme uber-troll who has trolled the living daylights out of  this site since the minute he landed, that's who.
He does not bother me in the slightest. I don't know him from Adam, I know nowt about him.


But I have to ask this: All the people who hustled ziz out shouting ''troll, troll, troll'' at him? Where are they now????
Ziz posted holiday photos and happily bantered on any topic with any friendly face. He never swore or cussed, cos he's a gentleman.

OK I won't mention ziz again on here, but sorry, I just could not resist answering Elizel's excellent question.

Another coward

Name the name, you spineless worm

smelly-bandit wrote:

Jules wrote:

An extreme uber-troll who has trolled the living daylights out of  this site since the minute he landed, that's who.
He does not bother me in the slightest. I don't know him from Adam, I know nowt about him.


But I have to ask this: All the people who hustled ziz out shouting ''troll, troll, troll'' at him? Where are they now????
Ziz posted holiday photos and happily bantered on any topic with any friendly face. He never swore or cussed, cos he's a gentleman.

OK I won't mention ziz again on here, but sorry, I just could not resist answering Elizel's excellent question.

Another coward

Name the name, you spineless worm

Calm down trickle, dont want you to run away for 2 years again, blaming everyone for why you ran away.

Syl wrote:

Miffs2 wrote:

I haven't a clue who he is / was. Have I missed any thing?

Someone who has been around under various guises for years.
He posted here but only for a short time Miffs.

Cheers Syl

smelly-bandit wrote:

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

That could be a somewhat one-sided "civil war", though...

Catalonia's population of less than 8 million makes up roughly 16% out of Spain's total population of around 47 million..

well the Muslim population of the UK is only about 4% and they basically own the UK after the country surrendered after just a few acts of terrorism

You really are full of crap, SmellyOne...

You really should make the effort to get out of your Mum's basement and away from your imaginary friends more often, and see what is happening out in the real world..

smelly-bandit wrote:

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Yes of course!  

Only in your tiny little world.

in the real world mamas

i mean if you're a Muslim you can pretend to be stabbed and the police will take you seriously

if you're a Muslim you can rape as many white British girls as you want with government endorsement and a ring of police protection

if you're Muslim, you can slaughter innocent children at a concert and your community gets treated like the victim of Islamophobia

no matter a Muslim does, the uk government will defend them

one white gunman shoots 59 other white people and every man and his dog is calling for white men to be subjected to genocide  and interned

You really do live on a different planet away there in the dark and twisted depths of your own fetid imagination, don't you Your Smelliness...

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

in the real world mamas

i mean if you're a Muslim you can pretend to be stabbed and the police will take you seriously

if you're a Muslim you can rape as many white British girls as you want with government endorsement and a ring of police protection

if you're Muslim, you can slaughter innocent children at a concert and your community gets treated like the victim of Islamophobia

no matter a Muslim does, the uk government will defend them

one white gunman shoots 59 other white people and every man and his dog is calling for white men to be subjected to genocide  and interned

You really do live on a different planet away there in the dark and twisted depths of your own fetid imagination,  don't you Your Smelliness...

*Chortle*

Raggamuffin wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Well, Aziz is OK in small doses.  

There was no need for her to mention him at all.

People mention things cos a new incident/person automatically triggers their memory of a previous similar incident/person. I'd have thought that was DEAD OBVIOUS!

YOU do it all the time, Ragga, your memory is often triggered, causing you to mention things "out of the blue" and no one takes issue with it.

Let people make their own decision about what they wish to ''mention'', it's not for others to make that decision on their behalf.

Raggamuffin wrote:
Jules mentioned him out of the blue, singing his praises,.

No, I merely listed the positive reasons why I consider him to be MORE than just a one-directional character.
Hence why I mentioned the other dimensions of his character.




.

Raggamuffin wrote: and then complained when someone didn't drool over him too. 

Slippery slope alert: If you start flinging words like 'drool' about, the person will obviously just fling the same word straight back at you.
I never complain or even comment when I see YOU drooling an ocean of saliva over every disgusting alt-right neonazi  on forums, Ragga.

I like pacifists and moderate leftwingers, their ethos fits in very well with my christian beliefs, Ragga.
So leave me in peace to ''drool'' over whoever I want.
And I will equally leave you in peace to do your  own drooling 
Deal?
Thank you kindly.

Love ziz, so Zen he's horizontal. Now to the thread. Andy is pulled up for saying smelly is a nazi, but here is smelly goading and proving he is a nazi and said mod doesn't say a word. Who in their right mind allows a thread begging for war, when we all know the suffering that would bring down, mostly on the heads of innocents.

sassy wrote:Love ziz, so Zen he's horizontal.  Now to the thread.  Andy is pulled up for saying smelly is a nazi, but here is smelly goading and proving he is a nazi and said mod doesn't say a word.  Who in their right mind allows a thread begging for war, when we all know the suffering that would bring down, mostly on the heads of innocents.

This.

..
Well said.

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

in the real world mamas

i mean if you're a Muslim you can pretend to be stabbed and the police will take you seriously

if you're a Muslim you can rape as many white British girls as you want with government endorsement and a ring of police protection

if you're Muslim, you can slaughter innocent children at a concert and your community gets treated like the victim of Islamophobia

no matter a Muslim does, the uk government will defend them

one white gunman shoots 59 other white people and every man and his dog is calling for white men to be subjected to genocide  and interned

You really do live on a different planet away there in the dark and twisted depths of your own fetid imagination,  don't you Your Smelliness...

He does indeed.

Jules wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:
Jules mentioned him out of the blue, singing his praises,.

No, I merely listed the positive reasons why I consider him to be MORE than just a one-directional character.
Hence why I mentioned the other dimensions of his character.




.

Raggamuffin wrote: and then complained when someone didn't drool over him too. 

Slippery slope alert: If you start flinging words like 'drool' about, the person will obviously just fling the same word straight back at you.
I never complain or even comment when I see YOU drooling an ocean of saliva over every disgusting alt-right neonazi  on forums, Ragga.

I like pacifists and moderate leftwingers, their ethos fits in very well with my christian beliefs, Ragga.    
So leave me in peace to ''drool'' over whoever I want.
And I will equally leave you in peace to do your  own drooling 
Deal?
Thank you kindly.

And who started the slippery slope? You did by mentioning an ex poster who was absolutely nothing to do with this thread, and nothing to do with this forum any more. Then you pulled eddie up because she doesn't think that he's quite as wonderful as you do. You started it yet again, and now you're playing the victim yet again.

Jules wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

There was no need for her to mention him at all.

People mention things cos a new incident/person automatically triggers their memory of a previous similar incident/person. I'd have thought that was DEAD OBVIOUS!

YOU do it all the time, Ragga, your memory is often triggered, causing you to mention things "out of the blue" and no one takes issue with it.

Let people make their own decision about what they wish to ''mention'', it's not for others to make that decision on their behalf.

Fine, but if you sing the praises of someone who is an obvious troll, you should expect some response.

SEXY MAMA wrote:

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:


You really do live on a different planet away there in the dark and twisted depths of your own fetid imagination,  don't you Your Smelliness...

He does indeed.

You are denying that Muslims raped white girls in their thousands??

Raggamuffin wrote:
Fine, but if you sing the praises of someone who is an obvious troll, you should expect some response.

I clearly said I would not mention his name again (even tho I was breaking no rules by mentioning him.)
That concession should have been more than enough for most people.

Raggamuffin wrote:

And who started the slippery slope? You did by mentioning an ex poster who was absolutely nothing to do with this thread, and nothing to do with this forum any more. Then you pulled eddie up because she doesn't think that he's quite as wonderful as you do. You started it yet again, and now you're playing the victim yet again.

The only slippery slope is you trying to control the contents of my posts.
That is NOT going to happen, in this lifetime!

eddie wrote:Yeah Ziz was a completely different poster to smelly and actually far more underhanded - let's not compare apples to oranges.

It's interesting to note that some people who dislike a certain person's opinions call that person a troll. There's a big difference.

And, might I add, Ziz is welcome back anytime he likes.

Do you actually understand the term "internet troll" yourself,  eddie  ???

Stormee was..
Smelly' clearly is..

I have seen Deano, Sly, Raggs and co. often "trolling" various threads, when attempting to back some of their equally demented Floptard cohorts on here.

That's a fact..

And at the same time, we often see those Floptards and a couple of their crazy supporters falsely accusing me, Andy, veya, Quill, sassy of being "trolls"  --  proving just what a bunch of lying crazies those Floptards are, at the core of things...

For you to falsely accuse ziz of being "underhanded" on here -- while constantly defending the likes of Horatio, Sly, Raggs and VoD  --  well, that says more about you then him,  eddie..

Raggamuffin wrote:

Jules wrote:

People mention things cos a new incident/person automatically triggers their memory of a previous similar incident/person. I'd have thought that was DEAD OBVIOUS!

YOU do it all the time, Ragga, your memory is often triggered, causing you to mention things "out of the blue" and no one takes issue with it.

Let people make their own decision about what they wish to ''mention'', it's not for others to make that decision on their behalf.

Fine, but if you sing the praises of someone who is an obvious troll, you should expect some response.

And here we see Ragg' proving that she too doesn't know what a "troll" is...

Calls ziz a troll..
Has falsely labelled me and others on here as trolls..
Simply because she doesn't like seeing the truth spelt out in front of her her !

And yet we often see her fawning over her favourite 'Flap trolls whenever they visit here..