the worlds second transracial

Tommy Monk wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

A homosexual feels perfectly normal being attracted to the same sex.   To them, it doesn't feel right if they try to be hetero.   They feel love for each other too.   What's 'unnatural' about that?

All of that is 'unnatural'...!


As I've just explained above...!!!


We are biologically (physically & mentally) hard wired to have attraction and (subsequently) interaction with people of the opposite sex to ourselves...!


Or at least, that is the indisputable normal and natural way that is intended...


And I don't care how 'gay' someone is, or how stupid someone is... everyone can see quite clearly that our biological physical anatomical sexual/reproductive parts are of the design for male/female coupling etc... and that this is the 'right' way of things, and as nature intended...!!!

HoratioTarr wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:


homosexuality doesn't require me to suspend my beliefs in order to accept it, homosexuality doesn't require anything to be a reality, it simply is. homosexuality is however a natural and possibly genetic anomaly or defect, it is not the natural norm.

perhaps gays are gays because the part of the DNA that hardwires humans to be sexually attracted to the opposite sex is somehow wired up incorrectly.

do you know that people with green eyes only have green eyes due to a genetic mutation?? doesn't make them freaks it just makes them not the genetic norm.  

transgenderism however requires me to suspend my belief in biological fact, and to embrace a delusion that person can magically change their gender through surgery, it requires me to ignore science.

when a 7 foot bloke with a shaved head, stubble , brown eyes and a beer gut tells me that he identifies as a 5 foot 4 blonde hair blued eyed super model, transgenderism demands that i accept and embrace his new reality and if at any stage i question  it?? im labelled as a transphobe  because i see a 7 foot bloke with a shaved head, stubble , brown eyes and a beer gut instead of a 5 foot 4 blonde hair blued eyed super model.

i keep bringing it up because no one seems to want to deal with this, if a person tells you that the toaster is talking to them we dont accept that indeed the toaster is talking to them, we send them to get help.

answer me this

if you took a sample of blood from a man who has undergone reassignment surgery to become a transwoman, and sent that sample to the lab to test for the gender of that person, would the results come back as male or female??

I get what you're trying to say, but I'm trying to say that our reality is not someone else's reality, and if they're doing no harm, I don't see the problem with just accepting them as they wish to live their lives and be - instead of declaring them mentally ill, abnormal or unnatural.   Also, we're not talking about the physical here, so much as what is happening in their heads.   It's about how they feel, not what they are biologically.  These people have feelings, they're human beings.  Why should they be subjected to mockery and ridicule and being set apart from everyone else?  

smelly-bandit wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

no, do you??

Why would I?   Homosexuality used to be classed as a mental disorder.   Now, we are less ignorant.   Yet, here you are convinced that transgender or transsexuals are mentally ill.    On what do you base your assumptions?

homosexuality doesn't require me to suspend my beliefs in order to accept it, homosexuality doesn't require anything to be a reality, it simply is. homosexuality is however a natural and possibly genetic anomaly or defect, it is not the natural norm.

perhaps gays are gays because the part of the DNA that hardwires humans to be sexually attracted to the opposite sex is somehow wired up incorrectly.

do you know that people with green eyes only have green eyes due to a genetic mutation?? doesn't make them freaks it just makes them not the genetic norm.  

eddie wrote:Isn't he a darl'?  

HoratioTarr wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


All of that is 'unnatural'...!


As I've just explained above...!!!


We are biologically (physically & mentally) hard wired to have attraction and (subsequently) interaction with people of the opposite sex to ourselves...!


Or at least, that is the indisputable normal and natural way that is intended...


And I don't care how 'gay' someone is, or how stupid someone is... everyone can see quite clearly that our biological physical anatomical sexual/reproductive parts are of the design for male/female coupling etc... and that this is the 'right' way of things, and as nature intended...!!!

But obviously we're not all 'hard wired' to be attracted to the opposite sex.   If what you say is true, then nature would only churn out straight people.   But nature doesn't.  Nature brings forth all sorts of people, with all sorts of personalities, physical attributes and sexual preferences.   Who are you to say what is 'normal'.    To be honest, you're actually a minority in your bigoted beliefs.  Does this make you abnormal?  

Would you say to a homosexual's face - 'you're not normal.'   Would you say to a person with cerebral palsy, 'you're not normal.'   I bet you wouldn't.  How about thinking along the lines of 'different' to you....and be more accepting of people?

Tommy Monk wrote:

Homosexuality is most certainly not the normal and natural way of things, as our biological design for sexual interaction is completely structured towards us having attraction to the opposite sex and sexual intercourse with the opposite sex...


It's so blatently obvious that this is the right way of things... that I can't help but think how strange and unnatural/abnormal it is for there to be people around who firstly don't ever feel any type of primeval sexual arousal/urges towards any people of the opposite sex, but instead get these feelings for those of the same sex... and secondly how these people must be able to see/know/understand the glaringly obvious fact that bioligical design and purpose of sexual interaction is between male and female, but they dismiss all the evidence (with their supposedly sane and rational minds), and then they carry on in pursuit of fulfilling their strange desires of 'alternative' interactions that they know full well will never result in a conception/childbirth/reproduction etc... although that is the fundamental basis for the whole biological design and reason for sexual attraction/interaction in the first place!!!

Thorin wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


All of that is 'unnatural'...!
As I've just explained above...!!!
We are biologically (physically & mentally) hard wired to have attraction and (subsequently) interaction with people of the opposite sex to ourselves...!
Or at least, that is the indisputable normal and natural way that is intended...

That is utter gibberish on every level, as many animals are attracted to the same gender.

To claim hard wired, offers up even something more idiotic, a creator.

So who are you to say what is intended?

Again invokes a view, there is again a creator behind who we are.

Which would mean you believe in a creator being Tommy

So can your force yourself to be attracted to someone you are not attracted to Tommy?

Yes or no

Tommy Monk wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:

Homosexuality is most certainly not the normal and natural way of things, as our biological design for sexual interaction is completely structured towards us having attraction to the opposite sex and sexual intercourse with the opposite sex...


It's so blatently obvious that this is the right way of things... that I can't help but think how strange and unnatural/abnormal it is for there to be people around who firstly don't ever feel any type of primeval sexual arousal/urges towards any people of the opposite sex, but instead get these feelings for those of the same sex... and secondly how these people must be able to see/know/understand the glaringly obvious fact that bioligical design and purpose of sexual interaction is between male and female, but they dismiss all the evidence (with their supposedly sane and rational minds), and then they carry on in pursuit of fulfilling their strange desires of 'alternative' interactions that they know full well will never result in a conception/childbirth/reproduction etc... although that is the fundamental basis for the whole biological design and reason for sexual attraction/interaction in the first place!!!

This is what I think...!

eddie wrote:Yes I often have gay people "forcing their reality" on me

smelly-bandit wrote:

eddie wrote:Yes I often have gay people "forcing their reality" on me

transgender people eddie

pay attention

eddie wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

transgender people eddie

pay attention

I was answering Tommy, Smelly. Pay attention.

smelly-bandit wrote:

eddie wrote:Yes I often have gay people "forcing their reality" on me

transgender people eddie

pay attention

smelly-bandit wrote:

eddie wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

transgender people eddie

pay attention

I was answering Tommy, Smelly. Pay attention.

Maybe if you weren't Sooooooooooo boring

Eilzel wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:



This is what I think...!

1. If we tried to have sexual relations with someone we had no sexual desires for, don't you think that would be rather weird and unnatural?

2. We don't choose our parters thinking they would make a good birthing partner, we choose them because we love them and are attracted to them, don't you?

Tommy Monk wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

1. If we tried to have sexual relations with someone we had no sexual desires for, don't you think that would be rather weird and unnatural?

2. We don't choose our parters thinking they would make a good birthing partner, we choose them because we love them and are attracted to them, don't you?

What is 'weird and unnatural' is the sexual attraction/desire/interaction being with someone of the same sex... as it goes against all the biological and physical reasons for us having male/females and the different sexual organs, and the whole basis of sexual attraction/desire/interaction...

eddie wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

Maybe if you weren't Sooooooooooo boring

Yes, soooooooo boring you can't stop talking about me on flap and pretty much hounded me for two years to have you back on this forum.
Yes I see.

smelly-bandit wrote:

eddie wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

Maybe if you weren't Sooooooooooo boring

Yes, soooooooo boring you can't stop talking about me on flap and pretty much hounded me for two years to have you back on this forum.
Yes I see.

I felt sorry for you, all you were doing is apologizing and justifying why you binned me.

I thought, "let me take the high ground and be the better man" and so I let you let me back in

smelly-bandit wrote:

eddie wrote:

Yes, soooooooo boring you can't stop talking about me on flap and pretty much hounded me for two years to have you back on this forum.
Yes I see.

I felt sorry for you, all you were doing is apologizing and justifying why you binned me.

I thought, "let me take the high ground and be the better man" and so I let you let me back in

eddie wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

I felt sorry for you, all you were doing is apologizing and justifying why you binned me.

I thought, "let me take the high ground and be the better man" and so I let you let me back in

You've got a strange way of processing information but then we all know that you're only here as a wind-up anyway. Crack on, if it's all you have.

smelly-bandit wrote:

eddie wrote:


You've got a strange way of processing information but then we all know that you're only here as a wind-up anyway. Crack on, if it's all you have.

Sounds like you're a bit wound up

You should try relax sometimes

Syl wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

Sounds like you're a bit wound up

You should try relax sometimes

My view is you did come back to wind people up.

It must really piss you off when you realise you are involved in some intelligent discussions with reasonable people.

smelly-bandit wrote:

Syl wrote:

My view is you did come back to wind people up.

It must really piss you off when you realise you are involved in some intelligent discussions with reasonable people.

Have I been??

involved in some intelligent discussions with reasonable people??

Oh right, maybe I should pay more attention

Syl wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

Have I been??

involved in some intelligent discussions with reasonable people??

Oh right, maybe I should pay more attention

Well as you don't have the capability to wind anyone with a brain up....seems you are wasting your time then.

Tommy Monk wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:



This is what I think...!

1. If we tried to have sexual relations with someone we had no sexual desires for, don't you think that would be rather weird and unnatural?

2. We don't choose our parters thinking they would make a good birthing partner, we choose them because we love them and are attracted to them, don't you?

What is 'weird and unnatural' is the sexual attraction/desire/interaction being with someone of the same sex... as it goes against all the biological and physical reasons for us having male/females and the different sexual organs, and the whole basis of sexual attraction/desire/interaction...

Eilzel wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:



This is what I think...!

1. If we tried to have sexual relations with someone we had no sexual desires for, don't you think that would be rather weird and unnatural?

2. We don't choose our parters thinking they would make a good birthing partner, we choose them because we love them and are attracted to them, don't you?

smelly-bandit wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

1. If we tried to have sexual relations with someone we had no sexual desires for, don't you think that would be rather weird and unnatural?

2. We don't choose our parters thinking they would make a good birthing partner, we choose them because we love them and are attracted to them, don't you?

1. Errrrrr No, haven't you ever snapped up a hippocroncapig at the last chance  saloon that left you disgusted and unable to look at yourself in the mirror for days afterwards??

I have, several times, that's how great a humanitarian I am, to sacrifice myself like that for the fat and the ugly.

But I bet you're all about the looks eh?? How fine a moustache he has or how thick and bushy his eyebrows are.

2. Subconsciously we do choose partners that would make good "birthing partners" the love and true attraction comes after that.

Thorin wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

1. Errrrrr No, haven't you ever snapped up a hippocroncapig at the last chance  saloon that left you disgusted and unable to look at yourself in the mirror for days afterwards??

I have, several times, that's how great a humanitarian I am, to sacrifice myself like that for the fat and the ugly.

But I bet you're all about the looks eh?? How fine a moustache he has or how thick and bushy his eyebrows are.

2. Subconsciously we do choose partners that would make good "birthing partners" the love and true attraction comes after that.

So couples who want no children and have no desire to have any, choose each other based on birthing partners?



Best laugh I have had in ages.

True Love happens unconsciously from the beginning, when two people connect more than the physical. Showing physical attraction is not the biggest draw, but certainly important for many people, but not for everyone. Can you think why?

smelly-bandit wrote:

Thorin wrote:

So couples who want no children and have no desire to have any, choose each other based on birthing partners?



Best laugh I have had in ages.

True Love happens unconsciously from the beginning, when two people connect more than the physical. Showing physical attraction is not the biggest draw, but certainly important for many people, but not for everyone. Can you think why?

Everything is about physical attraction.

No one goes into a bar thinking "now where's the fattest ugliest most unhealthy looking bird in here, yep that's the girl  for me"

Thorin wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

Everything is about physical attraction.

No one goes into a bar thinking "now where's the fattest ugliest most unhealthy looking bird in here, yep that's the girl  for me"

What about blind people?

That is why I asked you to think and clearly, that was asking too much in your case.

Now as stated physical attraction is important, to many but it is not the driving factor that has two people, love each other.

smelly-bandit wrote:

Thorin wrote:

What about blind people?

That is why I asked you to think and clearly, that was asking too much in your case.

Now as stated physical attraction is important, to many but it is not the driving factor that has two people, love each other.

Blind people??

What you think they have no standards because they are blind??

You bigoted fuck

Thorin wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

Blind people??

What you think they have no standards because they are blind??

You bigoted fuck

oh dear, poor smelly when shown to be yet again dumb, has to play his over emotive snowflake card, ha ha.

Also you do realize beauty is in the eye of the beholder, those that can see of course?

So where someone overweight to you and me, may not seem attractive, to other people they would.

veya_victaous wrote:Wolf is right Tommy view can only be held if you don't understand genetics and evolution

Classic case of why Homo sapiens are no longer subject to individual natural selection, but rather tribal evolution. the most common 'gay gene' in men also occurs in women and in both genders it does the a similar thing making the individual have heightened reaction to the male pheromone. Also as a tribe/herd there is advantages to having males that don't want to compete with the alpha for females. which is why there are gay sheep and goats etc.

smelly-bandit wrote:

Thorin wrote:

oh dear, poor smelly when shown to be yet again dumb, has to play his over emotive snowflake card, ha ha.

Also you do realize beauty is in the eye of the beholder, those that can see of course?

So where someone overweight to you and me, may not seem attractive, to other people they would.

Are you a fatist didge?

Why don't you tink fatties are attractive??

Thought you were about the tolerance and diversity??

If you don't think fatties are attractive you're a nasty bigot

smelly-bandit wrote:

eddie wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

transgender people eddie

pay attention

I was answering Tommy, Smelly. Pay attention.

Maybe if you weren't Sooooooooooo boring

smelly-bandit wrote:

Thorin wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

1. Errrrrr No, haven't you ever snapped up a hippocroncapig at the last chance  saloon that left you disgusted and unable to look at yourself in the mirror for days afterwards??

I have, several times, that's how great a humanitarian I am, to sacrifice myself like that for the fat and the ugly.

But I bet you're all about the looks eh?? How fine a moustache he has or how thick and bushy his eyebrows are.

2. Subconsciously we do choose partners that would make good "birthing partners" the love and true attraction comes after that.

So couples who want no children and have no desire to have any, choose each other based on birthing partners?



Best laugh I have had in ages.

True Love happens unconsciously from the beginning, when two people connect more than the physical. Showing physical attraction is not the biggest draw, but certainly important for many people, but not for everyone. Can you think why?

Everything is about physical attraction.

No one goes into a bar thinking "now where's the fattest ugliest most unhealthy looking bird in here, yep that's the girl  for me"

Eilzel wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:



What is 'weird and unnatural' is the sexual attraction/desire/interaction being with someone of the same sex... as it goes against all the biological and physical reasons for us having male/females and the different sexual organs, and the whole basis of sexual attraction/desire/interaction...

Stop repeating yourself, it's boring as shit.

Answer my two very simple questions, you're a simple man according to your sig, or admit that you can't.

Tommy Monk wrote:Do whatever you think is right... just don't expect everyone else to agree with your actions or to value your relationship as much as you do...

Tommy Monk wrote:And Les... opposite sex attraction is the normal thing and as nature intended... not something that should make you feel sick... while you are instead attracted to same sex, which is something that makes normal people feel sick...