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Thorin wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Thorin wrote:

To prove Veya us disinginious.

I argued off this point from the beginning and how it is gibberish.

I also asked Veya to prove that we would be born with an inherited specific religion.

What does Veya do.

Off er nothing to prove his false claims, but offer beliefs through a life time and nothing biological itself

Doh

You cannot make it up how funny this is

I never said or implied we are born with a inherited religion, you just don't understand that evolution is of a species not an individual.

get an education read the link I posted

I understand evolution very well, and that is just someones view that you posted.

Has his views been peer reviewed?

Look, I know you do not like the fact I am that much smarter than you, its why you have banned me so many times, that is what happens when a person is jealous.

Don't worry chap, you will never be that intelligent, but experience will help get you by in life.

The reality is you made a claim, I asked you to back it up, you went off onto a completely different tangent and made yourself look really stupid.

I found it great..

you are not even smart enough to pretend to be smart successfully

veya_victaous wrote:

Thorin wrote:

I understand evolution very well, and that is just someones view that you posted.

Has his views been peer reviewed?

Look, I know you do not like the fact I am that much smarter than you, its why you have banned me so many times, that is what happens when a person is jealous.

Don't worry chap, you will never be that intelligent, but experience will help get you by in life.

The reality is you made a claim, I asked you to back it up, you went off onto a completely different tangent and made yourself look really stupid.

I found it great..

Author:
John Stewart
Core Member of the Evolution, Complexity and Cognition Research Group, The Free University of Brussels

you are not even smart enough to pretend to be smart successfully

you make a statement NO ONE made or implied and tell people that is what they said you do it all the time and it a very dumb and annoying 'debating technique' which is why a Ban you since you are incapable of actual debating, just parrot shit you read without any understanding then  when someone make a nuisance point that is actual interesting to people that can think critiacaly you just get abusive

veya_victaous wrote:You tell people they need to answer your question that are completely unrelated to the point they made ALL THE TIME!!!

you don't show up any body!!!

not me not quill not rags NO ONE
you conceited fool

they are reversed cause I let them be dickhead, no one over turns them.


You clearly DO NOT understand evolution beyond a basic high school level, obviously since you refer to 'natural selection' as a factor in the evolution of Homo sapiens collectives.

veya_victaous wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

Ive forgotten more about the qur'an and  islam than you will ever learn sonny, including its correct spelling

if you had read the qur'an, you would know that it teaches that jesus was never crucified

how can islam be an evolution of a religion it disproves??

top tip : dont bring a rock to a gunfight veya  

LOL no it doesn't

it says he was not the son of god but it never says he wasn't crucified 

It doesn't disprove at ll it just points out that Jesus was  not the literal son of god just another messenger of god and that all people are the children of god

So  lets see the evolution
Jews: This Hebrew tribe is the only special one
Christian: this guys and any one that follows him are the special ones
Islam: Every one is Special

and it says المسيح المسيح
not Christ Jesus   that is it translated to english dim wit

nicko wrote:It's all supposition anyway.

Thorin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Perfectly fine, because what you say is untrue.  

The US invaded Afghanistan and Iraq for no reason whatsoever (except oil, but that's another matter).  Whatever mixed complications there may have been, it all started there.  End of discussion.

Oil in Afghanistan?

Thorin wrote:Where is all these oil contracts from Iraq?

Thurin wrote:You see how your arguments fall down and how it was an attack on the US with 9/11 that led to Afghanistan. As it was the Taliban had such terrorists with terrorist camps there.

Thorin wrote:So was what I said previously untrue?

Thorin wrote:As seen, the US never even started on any Muslim states, they did on the US. You had to fast forward over centuries later.

So it is the end of the discussion, as you clearly have been schooled on history again

smelly-bandit wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

Ive forgotten more about the qur'an and  islam than you will ever learn sonny, including its correct spelling

if you had read the qur'an, you would know that it teaches that jesus was never crucified

how can islam be an evolution of a religion it disproves??

top tip : dont bring a rock to a gunfight veya  

LOL no it doesn't

it says he was not the son of god but it never says he wasn't crucified 

It doesn't disprove at ll it just points out that Jesus was  not the literal son of god just another messenger of god and that all people are the children of god

So  lets see the evolution
Jews: This Hebrew tribe is the only special one
Christian: this guys and any one that follows him are the special ones
Islam: Every one is Special

and it says المسيح المسيح
not Christ Jesus   that is it translated to english dim wit

SURA 4:157

specifically says he want crucified

4: 157         That they said (in boast) "We killed Christ [al Massih] Jesus ['Isa] the son of Mary [Mariam] the Apostle [Rasool] of Allah"; but they killed him not nor crucified him but so it was made to appear to them and those who differ therein are full of doubts with no (certain) knowledge but only conjecture to follow for of a surety they killed him not.

Islam attempts to disprove the central theological pillar of Christianity

another qur'anic screw up

5: 46        And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary [Mariam] confirming the law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light and confirmation of the law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.

Any normal person who has read or studied the New Testament would know that the Gospels were NOT SENT to Jesus by Allah but were actually WRITTEN by four or more authors several decades AFTER his death.

and on and on and on

Original Quill wrote:

Afghanistan has five known crude oil sites located in Amu River basin in the north, Helmand, Herat and Katawaz in the southeastern province of Paktika.

Thorin wrote:So if you claim its about oil, where is all these contracts?
It shows that is a complete myth created by snowflakes.

I said oil "is another matter."  Don't meander off point.  The US and it's lapdogs intentionally waged war on Afghanistan and Iraq.

Thurin wrote:Lapdogs? Nice way to speak of Nato nations. Which helped the Northern Alliance defeat the Taliban, showing you really have no conception of history again.
So where is all these oil contracts?

 

9/11 was not war.  It was 19 criminals, who got away with a stupendous crime.  The magnitude of their crime does not change the nature of the event: Nineteen criminals pulled off an attack.  They all died in the event, so justice was served.

There was absolutely no connection to either Iraq or Afghanistan in the events of 9/11.  Those wars with Iraq and Afghanistan, one of which is still going on, were totally gratuitous.  They are an excellent example of what I mean when I say the US and it's lapdogs start these wars.  If we left the people of the Middle East alone, they would leave us alone.

Thorin wrote:You sound like Goring at the Nuremberg Trials.
So based on your reasoning, it was wrong to have the Nuremberg Trials, of those who masterminded the Holocaust?

Justice is done to you if any carrying out the Holocaust, a criminal act, died as soldiers on the Eastern or Western Front.
Is that what you are saying?

So as seen it was Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda that was behind 9/11 and other attacks on the US.

Where you claim there is no point bringing to  justice terrorists. Which their camps were in Afghanistan.

Making you an apologist for Al-Qaeda.

Yes.

Thorin wrote:In March 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to London to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy, ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman (or Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). When they enquired "concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury", the ambassador replied:

It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War

The Muslim states have never started any war on the US.  All of the conflicts have been started by the US and it's lapdogs.  

9/11 was a criminal act, not an act of war, and attributable to no Muslim nation.
In fact, the criminals all died in the event.  There were none of the activities of war.  No tanks.  No grenades.  In fact, the emergency services of New York City handled all aspects of the criminal act quite well.  But for the size of the event, criminal acts take place in New York City everyday, and do not require or justify acts on another nation's territory.

Thorin wrote:The US demanded that the Taliban hand over Bin Landen to the US. They would only hand them over to Pakistan, which as it turns out was where he ended up hiding and was hid by the Pakistan authorities.

Thorin wrote:So  you bring people to justice who mastermind criminal acts. Not only that, they removed the Taliban, which denied people basic human rights. Which again you seem to have no problem with.

Thorin wrote:So  you bring people to justice who mastermind criminal acts. Not only that, they removed the Taliban, which denied people basic human rights. Which again you seem to have no problem with.

The only conflict questionable is the second Iraq war, but lets face facts it removed a murdering Tyrant also.

So as seen in must cases the US has been attacked by Muslims operating from Muslim states.

Original Quill wrote:
Afghanistan was within it's rights to refuse the US requests.  I'm sure if Afghanistan today demanded that pussy-grabber be turned over to them, the US would refuse.  Back and forth...it's all relative.

Thorin wrote:And the US/Nato and United Nations was in its rights to assist the Northern alliance to defeat the Taliban.
What crimes has Trump committed against Afghanistan?

Frankly, I was not convinced at the time that bin Laden was actively behind 9/11.  I saw a clip of him denying it, and he was pretty convincing.  Frankly, I've not since any evidence to the contrary from the US or anyone.  They seem to think it's enough that we take them at their word.  Not to say he couldn't have been involved, but no one has come forward with the evidence.

Thorin wrote:I could not give a tiny rats arse what you are convinced of. Al Qaeda and Bin Laden admitted to the crime and not under duress either. Let alone the massive investigation which of course has shown it was Al Qaeda. More importantly the mass terrorist training camps, who's sole aim was to attack the US and the West. That is being at war, after Al Qaeda declared war on the West. You are just some insignificant nobody. What is important is that the US had every legal right to bring him to justice, Which of course you claimed the case was over with the deaths of the 19 suicide bombers. Which was about as dumb as it gets

Playtime for generals and admirals is over.  Congress is bitching and moaning that we don't have enough money for full healthcare in the US, but we have $660-billion a year for Pentagon games to play over there??  Did you ever hear of feeding your own, before you go out and buy extravagant things?  It doesn't make sense that we can't take care of our own obligations, but we have all the resources we need to run around playing save they world!

In March 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to London to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy, ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman (or Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). When they enquired "concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury", the ambassador replied:

It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War

Thorin wrote:What price do you pay on the victims of 9/11?

Thorin wrote:I would say that number was indefinite in order to catch those who masterminded the attack, as well as numerous others.

Thorin wrote:So as seen the US never started anything on any Muslim state and was being attacked as seen even before 9/11 with attacks. Which was seen the history shows it was the US first attacked by Muslim states

Original Quill wrote:

Thorin wrote:What price do you pay on the victims of 9/11?

I think Congress established a relief fund for them.  I don't know who qualified, or how much they got.

Thorin wrote:So again how can you place a price on those murdered?

As seen you cannot

So far, all we know for certain were the 19-men who died in the various crashes.  There was a 20th man who was caught.  I guess they threw the book at him.  It was a criminal act, to be sure, but not a war.  All we did was blow $17-trillion, and 3,000 of our own lives, not to mention the others.  And now we've provoked them to come over here and blow shit up.  What a cluster-fuck, eh?

Thorin wrote:Well there was an investigation, most of which has been released to the public, let alone the other attacks by Al Qeada. It was an act of war long before 9/11. Try reading the declarations of Al Qeada, who state, quite categorically they are at war with what they class as the great Satan, the US. You may want to ignore, this, but again it shows they had declared war on the US and the West.

I wish it were so.  If the US had never started in with Iraq and Afghanistan, we would have thousands still alive and be $-trillions richer.

The US was last attacked on May of 1943, when the Japanese tried to invade Attu, Alaska.  It was unsuccessful.  

All the years since 1945 we could have saved all the money spent and lives lost in all of these foreign adventures if we just closed down the Pentagon.  How many healthcare systems could we afford today, had we not blown our purse on all these foreign adventures?

We've got better things to do with our time and money.

Thorin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

I think Congress established a relief fund for them.  I don't know who qualified, or how much they got.



So far, all we know for certain were the 19-men who died in the various crashes.  There was a 20th man who was caught.  I guess they threw the book at him.  It was a criminal act, to be sure, but not a war.  All we did was blow $17-trillion, and 3,000 of our own lives, not to mention the others.  And now we've provoked them to come over here and blow shit up.  What a cluster-fuck, eh?



I wish it were so.  If the US had never started in with Iraq and Afghanistan, we would have thousands still alive and be $-trillions richer.

The US was last attacked on May of 1943, when the Japanese tried to invade Attu, Alaska.  It was unsuccessful.  

All the years since 1945 we could have saved all the money spent and lives lost in all of these foreign adventures if we just closed down the Pentagon.  How many healthcare systems could we afford today, had we not blown our purse on all these foreign adventures?

We've got better things to do with our time and money.

Well that is the price of war you pay to take out facilities and despotic people. That abused the human rights of people. Again who gives a fuck about money on this? You seem to place a monetary value on the collective safety of US citizens.

Thorin wrote: The US has been attacked since, as I have easily shown it has through terrorist attacks. They have been committed by foreign enemies. Who's goal is the Islamification of the known world. 

Thorin wrote:So you were emphatically wrong on the US starting conflicts, where in many, they were attacked and as seen in every situation with every attack since the 18th century. These Muslims explain exactly why they do attack and how its backed by religious decree that they can.

You want to ignore, this but everytime, it comes back to religion

Original Quill wrote:stently mentioned the waste in lives, morale, as well as money.  The safety of the US was never theatened by either Iran or Afghanistan.  It was all fabricated.

Thorin wrote: I am sure many of those who have fought would quite categorically disagree with you. Again neither of us can be qualified to say, when only those who have fought can. As they are the ones that have lost and taken to bring about what they see as right.

Well if you think the US has not be threatened, after the fact it has been attacked, shows you must be living in another alter Universe. The reality is there was many terrorist camps, that had been used to train extremists to carry out attacks. These attacks did happen. 

An Italian guy shoplifted a pint of ice cream at the local Safeway the other day.  Perhaps we should go to war with Italy, too.  

Thorin wrote:How insulting can you really get, that you equate shoplifting to the actual terror of attacks that take innocent lives. What can I say, that has to be the most dumbest view point you have made to date

So all these attacks on the US--emphatically no less--and you can't think of any to mention??

I think we're seeing how these conflicts arise, in the actions of Pussy-grabber, right as we speak, with No. Korea.  All balls and no brains is goading Kim, and of course Kim comes right back.  It's like: