Protests against more Israeli Settlements

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Hundreds protest against Israeli settlements
Palestinians and Israeli activists occupy abandoned houses in Jericho to protest against settlements in West Bank.

Hundreds of Palestinians accompanied by Israeli activists have occupied about a dozen abandoned houses near Jericho in the occupied West Bank.

The protest by nearly 300 people on Friday was aimed at denouncing the repeated refusal of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to dismantle settlements illegal under international law and agree to a pullout from the Jordan Valley.

Netanyahu on January 24 said that he "did not intend to uproot any Israeli citizen" from Jordan Valley as part of a peace deal, Haaretz newspaper reported.

The protesters arrived by bus and car and paraded a banner proclaiming "No peace with settlements", signed by the Youth Against Settlements group. They brought generators with them, indicating that they plan to at least stay overnight.

Israeli police and soldiers deployed in the area, but made no immediate move to disperse the protest.

In March last year, 200 Palestinian activists set up a protest camp on the site of an Israeli settlement that had been under construction, as US President Barack Obama visited Israel. Israeli police drove them out after several days of protest.

Meanwhile, the UN humanitarian coordinator for the Palestinian territories has criticised Israel's demolition of 36 homes in the Jordan Valley and urged a halt to such actions in the occupied West Bank.

The demolitions in the Jordan Valley community of Ain el-Helwe on Thursday displaced 66 people, including 36 children, James Rawley said in a statement.

"I am deeply concerned about the ongoing displacement and dispossession of Palestinians... along the Jordan Valley where the number of structures demolished more than doubled in the last year," he said.

"This activity not only deprives Palestinians of access to shelter and basic services, it also runs counter to international law."

Israeli soldiers open fire

His office said more than 1,000 people had been displaced last year in the West Bank and annexed East Jerusalem by demolitions on the grounds that homes had been built without Israeli permits, "which are virtually impossible to obtain".

In a separate incident, Israeli soldiers shot and wounded 10 Palestinians near the West Bank town of Ramallah during a protest over the killing of a teenager, Palestinian medics and security sources said.

In Gaza, meanwhile, medics said five more Palestinians were wounded by Israeli army gunfire near the border fence with Israel.

The demonstration was called to protest at the Israeli army's killing on Wednesday of Mohammed Mubarak, a 19-year-old from Jalazun working on a project funded by USAID and son of the camp's locally elected leader.

The army said he was shot dead near a settlement outside Ramallah after opening fire on them, but witnesses insisted he was unarmed.

A total of 27 Palestinians were killed by the Israeli army in the West Bank in 2013, three times more than the previous year, figures from Israeli rights watchdog B'Tselem showed.

On Thursday, British charity Oxfam severed its ties with Hollywood actress Scarlett Johansson over her endorsement of an Israeli firm operating in a settlement in the occupied West Bank - a move that Oxfam said was "incompatible" with its stance.

The spat has come at a delicate time for US-backed peacetalks between Israel and the Palestinians. Israeli officials fear that if the talks fail, a nascent call for an economic boycott of Israel and its settlements might grow.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/01/hundreds-protest-against-israeli-settlements-20141311844770384.html

Shame on the Israeli government, doing their utmost to make sure the peace talks fail, their intention all along, and thieving land that is not theirs against international law.

A boycott should be put in place immediately instead of letting them get away with it year after year.

veya_victaous wrote:@smelly
          
WTF gave you that idea
              

 :::grouch::  :::grouch::  :::grouch::  But come to think about it why the hell not, Solves a lot of problems; over population, world hunger, poverty, environmental pressures and a hell of a lot of wars.


AND its only about 3.5 billion no more than 4         

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_populations


 ::troll::

It's higher than that but regardless you're advocating over 50% of the human race be put to the sword

Looking to take hitlers spot are you??

Though to be fair to hitler he would probably step aside in awe

@smelly
a Place and time my friend  :::grouch::  :::grouch::  :::grouch:: 
I'm only 30 if we don't solves some problems I'll be soylent greens
           

veya_victaous wrote:@phjildidge it is not natural
Because they didn’t conqueror it, it was given to them by another power. There is active rebellion by all its neighbours to remove it. It only remains due to intervention

and 1947
when Ben-Gurion  bought massive amounts of foreign equipment in the lead up to the war, because they would not be able manufacture until declaring independence which they could see would be the start of a conflict.

Israel spends 6.9% of it's total GDP on the military the 5th highest in the world.  the USA only 4.4% and they say they can barely maintain it. UK 2.5% which is still higher than average.


Also

The Foreign Military Financing (FMF) program provides grants and loans to help countries purchase weapons and defense equipment produced in the United States as well as acquiring defense services and military training. FMF funds purchases are made through the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program, which manages government-to-government sales.

Israel
2389 million US$
51.14% of its military expenditure

SO if that was to Stop. How long can they go on, when they are reliant on aid to fund half their army.

By your logic it is not natural you should be in Australia, but again that would be absurd as demographics have since changed in the land or now that conquering a nation is fine but migration to one where Jews have never stopped living is now wrong.

Israel was still vastly outnumbered and out gunned
So if we us your logic on conquering being okay then by your logic Israel is justified as it won each of its conflicts with its neighbours and thus should still be in control Lebanon, Gaza, the West Bank and the Sinai desert.

So you need to decide what is right and wrong here because you just gave argument to the justification of them holding these lands.

The reality is this two majority groups of people live there and no argument about who is right or wrong will solve this, it only seeks to further the conflict, especially when both sides do wrong. I would certainly not wish on not only the Israeli Jews but Israeli Arab being under an Islamic control in regards to Hamas, the former would be exterminated and the later also excused of collaboration.
I am also against the Zionists, who seek to encroach on lands not agreed to as well as both sides being so stupid that they do not come to peace that each side loses so many innocents.

veya_victaous wrote:@smelly
a Place and time my friend  :::grouch::  :::grouch::  :::grouch:: 
I'm only 30 if we don't solves some problems I'll be soylent greens
           

Oh dear

Please don't tell me you've just call me out to behind the bike shed for fisticuffs?

smelly_bandit wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:Back to land claims, utterly absurd, both have a right to live there and in peace

you should talk to the Palestinians since they are the ones whining about their land being stolen, tell them how absurd you think they are  

Its about both sides as you have plenty of idiotic Zionists making absurd land claims and encroaching on lands, and claims by both sides keep fuelling the problem.

PhilDidge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

you should talk to the Palestinians since they are the ones whining about their land being stolen, tell them how absurd you think they are  

Its about both sides as you have plenty of idiotic Zionists making absurd land claims and encroaching on lands, and claims by both sides keep fuelling the problem.

Well if the Palestinians give up their lands and go back to being annexed by Egypt and Jordan then the conflict could end tomorrow

smelly_bandit wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:



Its about both sides as you have plenty of idiotic Zionists making absurd land claims and encroaching on lands, and claims by both sides keep fuelling the problem.

Well if the Palestinians give up their lands and go back to being annexed by Egypt and Jordan then the conflict could end tomorrow

What an illogical answer, by the same token you could say if Israel goes back to pre 1948 being controlled by the British the conflict would end tomorrow.

Absurd

smelly_bandit wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:@smelly
a Place and time my friend  :::grouch::  :::grouch::  :::grouch:: 
I'm only 30 if we don't solves some problems I'll be soylent greens
           

Oh dear

Please don't tell me you've just call me out to behind the bike shed for fisticuffs?

NO            But we can if you want   ::=|Q::    
  ::roglol::  ::roglol::  ::roglol:: 

I meant Hitler  :::hitler: was made by "a place an time", Germany was pretty fucked  up having to pay reparations for WW1.
The Fact that From Gen Y onwards we are looking at retiring to a canning factory means that modern circumstance may also create extreme individuals.


It may be closer to 2052 but...

PhilDidge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:


Well if the Palestinians give up their lands and go back to being annexed by Egypt and Jordan then the conflict could end tomorrow

What an illogical answer, by the same token you could say if Israel goes back to pre 1948 being controlled by the British the conflict would end tomorrow.

Absurd

I know your are speaking logically Phil but...... screw it pick a side

I got no dog in the fight So I don't really care, I just think we should leave them all alone and let whatever happens happen. We can take bets.        

veya_victaous wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


What an illogical answer, by the same token you could say if Israel goes back to pre 1948 being controlled by the British the conflict would end tomorrow.

Absurd

I know your are speaking logically Phil but...... screw it pick a side

I got no dog in the fight So I don't really care, I just think we should leave them all alone and let whatever happens happen. We can take bets.        

I am picking both to live in peace without war, what is wrong with that. To me both do wrong, which is the problem.

Hitler was a psychopath with a psychopaths world view

A selfless desire to solve the world overcrowding issue wasn't his motivation for the holocaust

Which leads us to you. What's you're reasoning for wanting to end half the world population and bring about the collapse of all civilisation in the process??

Are you just a psychopath who likes genocide or a saviour out to save the world from itself??

smelly_bandit wrote:Hitler was a psychopath with a psychopaths world view

A selfless desire to solve the world overcrowding issue wasn't his motivation for the holocaust

Which leads us to you. What's you're reasoning for wanting to end half the world population and bring about the collapse of all civilisation in the process??

Are you just a psychopath who likes genocide or a saviour  out to save the world from itself??

What is lebensraum?

PhilDidge wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:


I know your are speaking logically Phil but...... screw it pick a side

I got no dog in the fight So I don't really care, I just think we should leave them all alone and let whatever happens happen. We can take bets.        

I am picking both to live in peace without war, what is wrong with that. To me both do wrong, which is the problem.

Okay... I'll give you 32 to 1 odds on that...



 it is highly improbable after all         



P.S. I do Agree but   ::troll::

veya_victaous wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


I am picking both to live in peace without war, what is wrong with that. To me both do wrong, which is the problem.

Okay... I'll give you 32 to 1 odds on that...



 it is highly improbable after all         



P.S. I do Agree but   ::troll::

What were the odds of Apartheid ending back in 1960?

@smelly
Start practicing.....



VOTE 1 SKYNET

PhilDidge wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:


Okay... I'll give you 32 to 1 odds on that...



 it is highly improbable after all         



P.S. I do Agree but   ::troll::

What were the odds of Apartheid ending back in 1960?

Not sure It's before my time....
Seems like 100% to me  ::dunno::  ::dunno::  ::dunno::  Can't(don't want to) imagine a world where that didn't happen

So how much can I have ya down for      

veya_victaous wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


What were the odds of Apartheid ending back in 1960?

Not sure It's before my time....
Seems like 100% to me  ::dunno::  ::dunno::  ::dunno::  Can't(don't want to) imagine a world where that didn't happen

So how much can I have ya down for      

I think you are missing the point Veya, in 1960 not many would have given good odds on Apartheid ending either, yet look what happened, it did end, thus to hold the view peace will not come is wrong. This shows a good example where people thought there was no hope.

@phil
The Favourites don't always win many a bet has been won with greater than 32 to 1 odds. I never said it was impossible just improbable.

I also think there is a difference; racial inequality particularly against black skinned peoples was pretty much global, People like Dr Martin Luther King moved the World not just their nation. So there was a domino effect to consider.

the Israel/Palestine issue is more unique to itself, due to the historical and religious aspects.
Personally I am of the opinion there are wars with a better chance of resolving, with the resources the UN has in other parts of the world, particularly Africa. But Indonesia has also been fighting independence groups from West Papua and Aceh and that’s is just an example from my part of the world.

I think the Palestinians should revisit their negotiation tactics and their representatives. The Israeli Army is one of the most formidable armies in the world.They have withstood two full on wars with several Arab Nations trying to run them out. Now the Palestinians having failed with the might of the Syrian Armies and Egyptian lob rockets daily at the Israeli cities.

Hmmm methinks that isn't the brightest thing to do. Firstly they target civilians which makes Hamas terrorist in the eyes of the worlds populations. Secondly the Israelis have the technology to return fire to the point of origin.

I have seen campaigners outside Marks and Spencers stores with harrowing pictures. My response has been have you nay of the cafes that have been blown up by suicide bombers in Israeli cities. Surprisingly they have none. Apparently suicide bombing of civilians is a great way of getting me to give them money.

I couldn't get my wallet out fast enough. As long a Hamas are in charge the Palestinians lot will be dire they need to rethink.

Gandhi never fired a single bullet he removed the British by the power of persuasion not suicide bombers.

I don't care who is doing the bombing it isn't right. To those of you who are apologist consider what will happen if extremist start bombing our coffee shops to achieve their aims?? How would you feel then?

You do know how few Israeli civilians have been killed and injured against how man Palestinians have been killed and injured?   And obviously International Law means nothing to you and you are happy for people to thieve the land of others.   Wonder what you would say if someone decided your back garden was theirs and you would hand it over without a fight.

And the Israeli army owe their strength to the billions poured in by America each year, something the Americans appear to be getting fed up with.

I see its alright if only a few get blown up in Costa Coffee.

Do you work for the peace movement. I suggest you work for the Israelis if you want to do them harm if that is your response.

Do you know how many people who did as Ghandi asked got killed. Forgive me if I don't agree with bombing of coffee shops I like a nice Costa.

Sassy wrote:You do know how few Israeli civilians have been killed and injured against how man Palestinians have been killed and injured?   And obviously International Law means nothing to you and you are happy for people to thieve the land of others.   Wonder what you would say if someone decided your back garden was theirs and you would hand it over without a fight.

And the Israeli army owe their strength to the billions poured in by America each year, something the Americans appear to be getting fed up with.

how many of those Palestinians were willingly or unwillingly being used as human shields so bleeding heart liberals like you can wail at Israeli aggression

how many of those Palestinians were already dead, killed by Hamas before Israel retaliated??

Israel will continue to exist regardless of American aid and its not Americans who are fed up its that whore-son Muslim obama who wants another holocaust of hews who is getting fed up

luckily the Muslim scum will not be reelected

Israelis and Palestinians Killed
in the Current Violence
At least 1,104 Israelis and 6,836 Palestinians
have been killed since September 29, 2000.


American news reports repeatedly describe Israeli military attacks against the Palestinian population as “retaliation.” However, when one looks into the chronology of death in this conflict, the reality turns out to be quite different.

Source: B'Tselem, The Israeli Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories. (Visit their statistics page, last updated September 30, 2013.)

The numbers cited above include civilians and combatants killed by members of the opposing nationality (and therefore, do not include Palestinians killed by an explosive device that they set or was on their person, Israelis killed in 'friendly fire' incidents, etc.). The numbers also do not include the sizable number of Palestinians who died as a result of inability to reach medical care due to Israeli road closures, curfews, the Israeli closure of border crossing from Gaza, etc.

The figure for Palestinian deaths is extremely conservative, since it is difficult for B'Tselem to report on deaths in the Palestinian territories. The Palestine Red Crescent Society, internationally respected for its statistical rigor, reports significantly higher numbers of Palestinian deaths. We do not doubt the reliability of their data, and only use B'Tselem's more conservative numbers because they collect data on both populations.

In the past we used the statistics provided by Israel’s military for the number of Israelis killed, but they have not updated their statistics page since early in 2006. In addition, there is reason to believe that their numbers may have been somewhat inflated.

* The Palestinian people do not have a military, so the usual classification of civilian is not being used. Instead B'Tselem provides data on the number of Palestinians who did not participate in hostilities, a significantly more stringent qualification than the one used to identify Israeli civilians. We do not know how many of the Israelis listed as civilians participated in the hostilities. Many settlers who illegally have taken over parts of the West Bank (and used to live in parts of the Gaza Strip) are heavily armed and there have been numerous reports of their brutal attacks on their Palestinian neighbors.
Causes of Deaths of Israeli Soldiers
2005
Committed Suicide 30
Illness 14
Accidents 26
Terror Incidents 6

Source: Israeli newspaper Ma’ariv, Oct. 10, 2005, p. 6.
Note: The paper also reported that since 1992, 459 Israeli soldiers have committed suicide.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/deaths.html


More information from B'Tselem | The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories

http://www.btselem.org/statistics

Seamen Staines wrote:I think the Palestinians should revisit their negotiation tactics and their representatives. The Israeli Army is one of the most formidable armies in the world.They have withstood two full on wars with several Arab Nations trying to run them out. Now the Palestinians having failed with the might of the Syrian Armies and Egyptian lob rockets daily at the Israeli cities.

Hmmm methinks that isn't the brightest thing to do. Firstly they target civilians which makes Hamas terrorist in the eyes of the worlds populations. Secondly the Israelis have the technology to return fire to the point of origin.

I have seen campaigners outside Marks and Spencers stores with harrowing pictures. My response has been have you nay of the cafes that have been blown up by suicide bombers in Israeli cities. Surprisingly they have none. Apparently suicide bombing of civilians is a great way of getting me to give them money.

I couldn't get my wallet out fast enough. As long a Hamas are in charge the Palestinians lot will be dire they need to rethink.

Gandhi never fired a single bullet he removed the British by the power of persuasion not suicide bombers.

I don't care who is doing the bombing it isn't right. To those of you who are apologist consider what will happen if extremist start bombing our coffee shops to achieve their aims?? How would you feel then?

Hi Seaman,

What an excellent post.

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Seamen Staines wrote:I think the Palestinians should revisit their negotiation tactics and their representatives. The Israeli Army is one of the most formidable armies in the world.They have withstood two full on wars with several Arab Nations trying to run them out. Now the Palestinians having failed with the might of the Syrian Armies and Egyptian lob rockets daily at the Israeli cities.

Hmmm methinks that isn't the brightest thing to do. Firstly they target civilians which makes Hamas terrorist in the eyes of the worlds populations. Secondly the Israelis have the technology to return fire to the point of origin.

I have seen campaigners outside Marks and Spencers stores with harrowing pictures. My response has been have you nay of the cafes that have been blown up by suicide bombers in Israeli cities. Surprisingly they have none. Apparently suicide bombing of civilians is a great way of getting me to give them money.

I couldn't get my wallet out fast enough. As long a Hamas are in charge the Palestinians lot will be dire they need to rethink.

Gandhi never fired a single bullet he removed the British by the power of persuasion not suicide bombers.

I don't care who is doing the bombing it isn't right. To those of you who are apologist consider what will happen if extremist start bombing our coffee shops to achieve their aims?? How would you feel then?

Hi  Seaman,

What an excellent post.

Thank you Gandhi should be at the forefront of peoples minds in this situation. Israel can never properly be held to account as long as they can paint the other side as Terrorist.

The lady who is a fan of the current tactics needs to have a word with herself. Clearly she is no fan of a large latte that's all I can say.

Ghandi had the luxury of have the time to use peaceful protest, because all the time he was trying to attain his aims, he wasn't having houses being knocked down, peoples homes being taken and civilians being stopped from going to hospital etc.   Ghandi's campaign lasted for nearly 20 years.   If Palestinians waited that long, there would be no Palestine.

Hmmmm yet another terribly ill thought out response.

Had the Palestinians not wasted the last umpteen years having terrorist do their talking and instead followed Gahndis example then negotiations would have been forced upon the Israelis. The Israelis are under little or no pressure I'm surprised even you can't see that.

What you are saying if I may paraphrase you is bombing cafes and firing rockets is their best chance and that bombing civilians is a great idea..

It isn't but I admire your consistency.

Oh dear, not thought out at all.   You do know the number of bombs and drones landing on them, making theirs look insignificant.   If they had used peaceful protest, they simply wouldn't exist now.   Israel has shown no compunction in killing men, women and children and bulldozing their homes.

Really Drinky, Clarkson/Hamster/May - you aren't very original are you?

Seamen Staines was bang on the money about apologists

Seaman Staines, aka Clarkson, aka Hamster, aka Captian May has never been on the money or original in his life.

In your humble opinion, but facts are facts there are extremists on both sides stopping peace, you chose to only see one side do wrong when both do, that is where you go wrong!

:-:bravo:-: :-:bravo:-: :-:bravo:-: :-:bravo:-: 

The facts and statistics tell the truth, if they hadn't fought back, they wouldn't exist.

Some people aren't prepared to be wiped out so they don't offend the sensibilities of others.

Sassy wrote::-:bravo:-: :-:bravo:-: :-:bravo:-: :-:bravo:-: 

The facts and statistics tell the truth, if they hadn't fought back, they wouldn't exist.

Some people aren't prepared to be wiped out so they don't offend the sensibilities of others.

Israel has had the capability of wiping them out for years, why have they not, if we are to believe your nonsense?

Again you only see one side, when both are wrong, I never see you standing up for the expulsion of hundreds of thousands of Jews for example afte the formation of Israel, what was their crime?

Sassy wrote:Oh dear, not thought out at all.   You do know the number of bombs and drones landing on them, making theirs look insignificant.   If they had used peaceful protest, they simply wouldn't exist now.   Israel has shown no compunction in killing men, women and children and bulldozing their homes.

Really Drinky, Clarkson/Hamster/May - you aren't very original are you?

boo hoo

you fuck with the bull and you get the horns

you fuck with the Israelis and you get drones up your ass

the sooner they Palestinians learn this the sooner they might stop their terrorism

Smelly, we know what a terrorist lover you are. BTW, those screen shots, for some reason I can't post pics, only youtube, but I found another one. In a thread about halal meat, someone said you show more compassion for the animals than you did for the children Breivik killed. You said 'so what, they deserved it, they were being taught to be LW'.
So I don't think you are in any position to slag off people defending their land, do you?

Sassy wrote:Smelly, we know what a terrorist lover you are.   BTW, those screen shots, for some reason I can't post pics, only youtube, but I found another one.   In a thread about halal meat, someone said you show more compassion for the animals than you did for the children Breivik killed.   You said 'so what, they deserved it, they were being taught to be LW'.
So I don't think you are in any position to slag off people defending their land, do you?

I'm not

I fully support Israel's right to defend their lands

Ps very convenient that you're the only one who cannot post pics on here

You're a liar sassy, you know it I know it and now that you cannot prove that I have said these things, the entire forum knows it

smelly_bandit wrote:

Sassy wrote:Smelly, we know what a terrorist lover you are.   BTW, those screen shots, for some reason I can't post pics, only youtube, but I found another one.   In a thread about halal meat, someone said you show more compassion for the animals than you did for the children Breivik killed.   You said 'so what, they deserved it, they were being taught to be LW'.
So I don't think you are in any position to slag off people defending their land, do you?

I'm not

I fully support Israel's right to defend their lands

Ps very convenient that you're the only one who cannot post pics on here

You're a liar sassy, you know it I know it and now that you cannot prove that I have said these things, the entire forum knows it

Actually, a couple of other people are having a problem as well, but as soon as I get round it, I'll post it don't worry. After all, don't want to disappoint you, you have your reputation to think of, not that anyone else would want the reputation you have.

Sassy wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

I'm not

I fully support Israel's right to defend their lands

Ps very convenient that you're the only one who cannot post pics on here

You're a liar sassy, you know it I know it and now that you cannot prove that I have said these things, the entire forum knows it

Actually, a couple of other people are having a problem as well, but as soon as I get round it, I'll post it don't worry.  After all, don't want to disappoint you, you have your reputation to think of, not that anyone else would want the reputation you have.

Eloquent Insult awarded                    

Sassy wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

I'm not

I fully support Israel's right to defend their lands

Ps very convenient that you're the only one who cannot post pics on here

You're a liar sassy, you know it I know it and now that you cannot prove that I have said these things, the entire forum knows it

Actually, a couple of other people are having a problem as well, but as soon as I get round it, I'll post it don't worry.  After all, don't want to disappoint you, you have your reputation to think of, not that anyone else would want the reputation you have.

You don't appear to have any problems changing your avatar

Why don't you use those screen shots as your avatar so we can see what was said

No thanks, I'll wait until I have sorted the problems out, I'm simply not prepared to have my persona contaminated with the pus that drips from your lips.

Sassy wrote:No thanks, I'll wait until I have sorted the problems out, I'm simply not prepared to have my persona contaminated with the pus that drips from your lips.

Sassy why hasn't that dog got any back legs?

Sassy wrote:No thanks, I'll wait until I have sorted the problems out, I'm simply not prepared to have my persona contaminated with the pus that drips from your lips.

so yet another lie

  

i suppose you need time to work out how to use photoshop

The double standards of the west. Wipe it of the face of the earth destroy the Zionist. I agree with the dog lady wipe them out. The use of any tactics is legitimate they are freedom fighters. We should be arming the Palestinians not condemning them. We should also sanction Israel for having nuclear weapons you cannot let Zionist have nukes. We sanction Iran yet let them get away with anything. You can be sure that when the banks crashed the Jews were no hurt they removed there money before the crash. They spend it on weapons o oppress the Palestinians.

I don't really think that its just something the left might say. There is a nasty under current present when the left attack the Jews that is most unpleasant. Sadly the far right and far left seem to have an anti Jewish agenda I'm surprised they don't join forces.

all rubbish, [in my opinion]

labour revival wrote:The double standards of the west. Wipe it of the face of the earth destroy the Zionist. I agree with the dog lady wipe them out. The use of any tactics is legitimate they are freedom fighters. We should be arming the Palestinians not condemning them. We should also sanction Israel for having nuclear weapons you cannot let Zionist have nukes. We sanction Iran yet let them get away with anything. You can be sure that when the banks crashed the Jews were no hurt they removed there money before the crash. They spend it on weapons o oppress the Palestinians.

I don't really think that its just something the left might say. There is a nasty under current present when the left attack the Jews that is most unpleasant. Sadly the far right and far left seem to have an anti Jewish agenda I'm surprised they don't join forces.

Would you mind NOT twisting my words. Who the hell wants to wipe Israel out? I correspond with Israeli peace activists, and agree that Israeli needs to keep to it's own border and stop encroaching and thieving from the land around it, and give back the land it has taken and obey International Law.

veya_victaous wrote:@smelly
          
WTF gave you that idea
              

 :::grouch::  :::grouch::  :::grouch::  But come to think about it why the hell not, Solves a lot of problems; over population, world hunger, poverty, environmental pressures and a hell of a lot of wars.


AND its only about 3.5 billion no more than 4         

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_populations


 ::troll::

You have very interesting and disturbing ideas; Skynet isn't real you know. I'm none too keen on religion myself but genocide for saying Hail Marys seems a bit harsh.

Bit of a difference between these suicide bombing scum and your average Christian I would have thought. The last time I was an active Christian I didn't once feel the urge to bomb my local coffee shop.

Sassy wrote:

labour revival wrote:The double standards of the west. Wipe it of the face of the earth destroy the Zionist. I agree with the dog lady wipe them out. The use of any tactics is legitimate they are freedom fighters. We should be arming the Palestinians not condemning them. We should also sanction Israel for having nuclear weapons you cannot let Zionist have nukes. We sanction Iran yet let them get away with anything. You can be sure that when the banks crashed the Jews were no hurt they removed there money before the crash. They spend it on weapons o oppress the Palestinians.

I don't really think that its just something the left might say. There is a nasty under current present when the left attack the Jews that is most unpleasant. Sadly the far right and far left seem to have an anti Jewish agenda I'm surprised they don't join forces.

Would you mind NOT twisting my words.   Who the hell wants to wipe Israel out?   I correspond with Israeli peace activists, and agree that Israeli needs to keep to it's own border and stop encroaching and thieving from the land around it, and give back the land it has taken and obey International Law.

The Palestinians do want rid of Israel. The 6 day war was testament to that fact. Do you think had the Arabs ambush attack been successful that the Israelis would have been allowed to stay??? If you do you are very naive or very disingenuous. Which is it?

Has anything you have seen demonstrated by militant Islamic forces lead you to believe they would have been magnanimous in victory. They would have finished off what Hitler started or at the very least driven all the Jews out of Israel.

Sassy wrote:

labour revival wrote:The double standards of the west. Wipe it of the face of the earth destroy the Zionist. I agree with the dog lady wipe them out. The use of any tactics is legitimate they are freedom fighters. We should be arming the Palestinians not condemning them. We should also sanction Israel for having nuclear weapons you cannot let Zionist have nukes. We sanction Iran yet let them get away with anything. You can be sure that when the banks crashed the Jews were no hurt they removed there money before the crash. They spend it on weapons o oppress the Palestinians.

I don't really think that its just something the left might say. There is a nasty under current present when the left attack the Jews that is most unpleasant. Sadly the far right and far left seem to have an anti Jewish agenda I'm surprised they don't join forces.

Would you mind NOT twisting my words.   Who the hell wants to wipe Israel out?   I correspond with Israeli peace activists, and agree that Israeli needs to keep to it's own border and stop encroaching and thieving from the land around it, and give back the land it has taken and obey International Law.

Israel has stolen no lands

and i agree that Israel should obey international law, WHEN intentional law starts hammering the Palestinians for attacking Israel

smelly_bandit wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Would you mind NOT twisting my words.   Who the hell wants to wipe Israel out?   I correspond with Israeli peace activists, and agree that Israeli needs to keep to it's own border and stop encroaching and thieving from the land around it, and give back the land it has taken and obey International Law.

Israel has stolen no lands

and i agree that Israel should obey international law, WHEN intentional law starts hammering the Palestinians for attacking Israel

Apparently trying to wipe out Israel in one fell swoop isn't bad in the eyes of the OP it seems. Israelis concerns about it's security after two attempts to wipe it out is a bad thing. Continuing efforts to wipe out Israel by attrition also don't count. That's because they are Jews and don't count I presume.

Yes Smelley it is hard to understand the mind of a lefty I don't presume to understand such logic myself.

Honestly OP do you not accept Israel was attacked en masse twice? Was that just a friendly visit.

smelly_bandit wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Would you mind NOT twisting my words.   Who the hell wants to wipe Israel out?   I correspond with Israeli peace activists, and agree that Israeli needs to keep to it's own border and stop encroaching and thieving from the land around it, and give back the land it has taken and obey International Law.

Israel has stolen no lands

and i agree that Israel should obey international law, WHEN intentional law starts hammering the Palestinians for attacking Israel

Israel has stolen no lands? Complete bollocks and you know it!