£11billion tuition fee bribe saw 18 to 24 year olds rush to vote for Labour as turnout for the age group rose to 74%

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High turnout among younger voters has been credited for boosting Labour’s results. A surge in voters aged 18-24 was believed to have been fuelled by the party’s promises to end university tuition fees and reinstate maintenance grants for the poorest students – costing £11billion a year – and to increase the minimum wage.

Some pundits claimed the turnout for the age group was as high as 72 per cent after the number was tweeted by a youth vote activist and retweeted by Labour MP David Lammy. More than a million new voters registered to vote after the election was announced, and Labour won the majority of seats where turnout was up by more than 5 per cent. Overall turnout was 68.7 percent, an increase of 2.6 percentage points from the 2015 general election. Polling expert Lord Ashcroft said 67 per cent of 18 to 24-year-olds had voted Labour, compared with just 18 per cent who supported the Conservatives.

Support for Labour remained high among 25 to 34-year-olds with 58 per cent saying they had voted for the party, compared with 22 per cent for the Conservatives. Polling stations in university towns such as Nottingham, Canterbury and Southampton saw queues of students waiting to vote.


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The other reason as to why Corby did so well. He played off the selfish nature of our youth today. Who where in the past people were thankful for how the state looks after us. Have instead turned to one that demands everything on a plate and wants everything for free. This is the sad reality of the materialism age we now live in. There is little work ethic now, where once people were proud to work. Instead people want to do as little as possible.

The state already forks out a fortune for every child, to rightly ensure they have the best starts in life. The very fact that now when they turn adults. Some then further demand they should continue to have a free ride and expect others to then further pay for their education is inherently wrong. Its selfish and where in many cases the degrees obtained will have little bearing in the later employment roles they do. Or where they are specialized degrees and like with Doctors trained here. Many simple piss off abroad after they are qualified. To earn better wages and conditions. So not only are many taking the country for a ride over wanting the state to pay for this further education, but who is it really benefiting, other than the individual themselves?

If this is what labour is celebrating over? Then clearly there is many wrongs with how society is today. As people clearly only care for themselves. That people less and less care for their parents or relatives in old age and then again expect the state to care for them too. When we should all look after our elderly relatives or at least pay to have help. If people cannot afford, then they state should help, but where they can afford, people should pay. This is what is wrong today We are a society of takers, not for one second being appreciative of what the state does for us.

I mean surely this 11 billion bribe would be better spent on health and social care? The fact that many of our youth. Think that a free ride is more important. Than paying their own way and actually providing this money to where its actually needed, like the health service. Shows a reprehensible attitude of some of our youth today. Anyone unselfish, would want to pay for their own further education and even more so want this money set aside for those in need. To be provided to people who actually do need it. Like the homeless, the NHS and social care. That is why some of the youth who voted off this bribe for Labour. Are clearly utterly selfish.

Well now see I disagree that education should be the privilidge of the moneyed few, or that it is right to saddle a young person with however many 1000's of debt BEFORE they start even any career, one could make it a condition of taking the course (at degree level at least) that they work for 5 years in that field before leaving the country. Below degree level perhaps there should be no such restriction

perhaps it is about time some extras were added to "human rights", I have said this before, in concert with my profoud desire to see a universal citizens wage,

these "extras" being that " every natural person (a legal term to mean person as opposed to a company), should have the RIGHT to sufficient food in their belly, clothes on their back and a roof, no matter how humble over their heads.

as a society, we ARE rich enough to deliver this, if we didnt suck up to the 1% and incorporate "corporate greed" into our politics as some sort of "right".

think on this ...Those very rights i want to add have ALL priority over the "right" of companies (and by extension their boards and ceo's) to make obscene profits and remuneration with inadequate and avoided taxation...

Lord Foul wrote:Well now see I disagree that education should be the privilidge of the moneyed few, or that it is right to saddle a young person with however many 1000's of debt BEFORE they start even any career, one could make it a condition of taking the course (at degree level at least) that they work for 5 years in that field before leaving the country. Below degree level perhaps there should be no such restriction

perhaps it is about time some extras were added to "human rights", I have said this before, in concert with my profoud desire to see a universal citizens wage,

these "extras" being that " every natural person (a legal term to mean person as opposed to a company), should have the RIGHT to sufficient food in their belly, clothes on their back and a roof, no matter how humble over their heads.

as a society, we ARE rich enough to deliver this, if we didnt suck up to the 1% and incorporate "corporate greed" into our politics as some sort of "right".

think on this ...Those very rights i want to add have ALL priority over the "right" of companies (and by extension their boards and ceo's) to make obscene profits and remuneration with inadequate and avoided taxation...

How is it for the privileged few, when anyone can go to University?

So the premise for your whole argument is moot.

Again the degrees people obtain have little to no impact for many people finding employment. Where even worse we see people obtain specialized degrees and then go to work abroad. This money would be better spent on resolving the homeless problem. The very fact that people think they should have this free, is what is wrong. I fail to see how and why people should not pay for the further education, they themselves want to have. Its an active choice that they wish to do.

That means they should pay for it.

the point is its wrong to saddle a young person with £1000's of debts, BEFORE they even begin to start a career.
and degree DO make a difference in as much as, whethere the degree is strictly relevent or not, the mere fact of having one, especially in the "traditional areas" is what the employer wants , since it shows comitment and the ability to continue learning.

moreover we ARE short (and will get shorter still after brexit) of mechanics, brickies plumbers sparkies etc...
courses on these to ond/hnd levels should be free and available to anyone who isnt "academically inclined"

or who maybe wish to either switch trades or become multi skilled.

moreover those courses required to become a sparkie/ registered gas safe plumber etc SHOULD be free
along with the frequently required "updates"

whilst you claim that "anyone can go to uni...that is not "strictly" true...only if you have a botomless money pit OR are willing to be saddled with £1000's of debt is that true.....

and at the moment the only thing being mooted is that the TUTION fees should be free, nothing has been said about the "maintenance" aspect (which of course would be solved by the provison of a universal citizens income)

Lord Foul wrote:the point is its wrong to saddle a young person with £1000's of debts, BEFORE they even begin to start a career.
and degree DO make a difference in as much as, whethere the degree is strictly relevent or not, the mere fact of having one, especially in the "traditional areas" is what the employer wants , since it shows comitment and the ability to continue learning.

moreover we ARE short (and will get shorter still after brexit) of mechanics, brickies plumbers sparkies etc...
courses on these to ond/hnd levels should be free and available to anyone who isnt "academically inclined"

or who maybe wish to either switch trades or become multi skilled.

moreover those courses required to become a sparkie/ registered gas safe plumber etc SHOULD be free
along with the frequently required "updates"

whilst you claim that "anyone can go to uni...that is not "strictly" true...only if you have a botomless money pit OR are willing to be saddled with £1000's of debt is that true.....

and at the moment the only thing being mooted is that the TUTION fees should be free, nothing has been said about the "maintenance" aspect (which of course would be solved by the provison of a universal citizens income)

Oh the poor dears, that they like anyone else has to borrow money if they want things. Like a house or a car. Are you going to give these away free next?

Again nobody is forcing them to do a degree, its their choice.

What you are not telling me is why I or anyone else should pay for this further education that is not compulsory?

They make very little difference in employment unless it is a specialized field. 

Yes anyone can go to University, so you are talking abject gibberish.

They have to pay their way like anyone else

Angry Andy wrote:Didge lost any right to complain about politics after he declined to vote.
He also lost his arguement, which he HAS to have every thread, WHEN HE RESORTED TO PERSONAL ABUSE.
His degree in International Politics and negotiation diplomacy hasn't  been of much use.

Oh, the sheer, breathtaking hypocrisy. Plus an obvious threat of doxing!

what ever happened to joy division and scrat?
No. He is just too stupid to know how to do it.

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Would you kill the Baby Hitler?
If Dick killed Hitler, Stormee, Allakaka and Tom Sawyer would want revenge.

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Why has Didge been banned?
Thorin and Dickhead's endless pointless and crass spamming of every thread claiming to be world leading experts will now recommence.
A bit like Hugh and Durham on Flop before he"retired".

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what ever happened to joy division and scrat?
I have some brilliant videos too Dickhead.
Thry feature a dancing mustachioed moron.
I think youv'e seen some.
They are hilarious, aren't they?

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someone is going to have egg on their face on june 9th
Spamming again Dìckhead. Is what you do when your tory masters are in trouble.
Tory lead reduced ftom 20% to 4% in 4 weeks.
Are you bringing your extended family over to try to pull a few more Conservative votes?

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Why has Didge been banned?
He is more than happy to be called Dick. It suits him.
His flop mods post there, mod here.

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Why has Didge been banned?
Protected from the forum patriarch, Dyk, and his flop mods?

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A village has lost it's idiot.

Thorin wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:the point is its wrong to saddle a young person with £1000's of debts, BEFORE they even begin to start a career.
and degree DO make a difference in as much as, whethere the degree is strictly relevent or not, the mere fact of having one, especially in the "traditional areas" is what the employer wants , since it shows comitment and the ability to continue learning.

moreover we ARE short (and will get shorter still after brexit) of mechanics, brickies plumbers sparkies etc...
courses on these to ond/hnd levels should be free and available to anyone who isnt "academically inclined"

or who maybe wish to either switch trades or become multi skilled.

moreover those courses required to become a sparkie/ registered gas safe plumber etc SHOULD be free
along with the frequently required "updates"

whilst you claim that "anyone can go to uni...that is not "strictly" true...only if you have a botomless money pit OR are willing to be saddled with £1000's of debt is that true.....

and at the moment the only thing being mooted is that the TUTION fees should be free, nothing has been said about the "maintenance" aspect (which of course would be solved by the provison of a universal citizens income)

Oh the poor dears, that they like anyone else has to borrow money if they want things. Like a house or a car. Are you going to give these away free next?

Again nobody is forcing them to do a degree, its their choice.

why are you focussing soley on degrees?

What you are not telling me is why I or anyone else should pay for this further education that is not compulsory?

because, in the traditional areas at least its an ultimate benefit to everyone....

They make very little difference in employment unless it is a specialized field. 

so why do so many jobs require education to degree level??

Yes anyone can go to University, so you are talking abject gibberish.

They have to pay their way like anyone else

the same could be said for health services...but I dont think there are many brave enough...

need an op...get a loan

considering the minor cost (in the grand scheme of things) Its pure parsimony to do otherwise....

AND more importantly, those who would end up paying would be those who actually DO benefit .....the CEO's and shareholders of those big companies...you know the ones who make the obscene profits and pay their top dogs obscene wages for very little...which they then avoid paying tax on.....


you forget ...possibly due to scrat and HA's lying whingeing.....fiscally and socially I'm way ahead of most socialists here or even elsewhere....

Lord Foul wrote:

Thorin wrote:


Oh the poor dears, that they like anyone else has to borrow money if they want things. Like a house or a car. Are you going to give these away free next?

Again nobody is forcing them to do a degree, its their choice.

why are you focussing soley on degrees?

What you are not telling me is why I or anyone else should pay for this further education that is not compulsory?

because, in the traditional areas at least its an ultimate benefit to everyone....

They make very little difference in employment unless it is a specialized field. 

so why do so many jobs require education to degree level??

Yes anyone can go to University, so you are talking abject gibberish.

They have to pay their way like anyone else

the same could be said for health services...but I dont think there are many brave enough...

need an op...get a loan

considering the minor cost (in the grand scheme of things) Its pure parsimony to do otherwise....

AND more importantly, those who would end up paying would be those who actually DO benefit .....the CEO's and shareholders of those big companies...you know the ones who make the obscene profits and pay their top dogs obscene wages for very little...which they then avoid paying tax on.....


you forget ...possibly due to scrat and HA's lying whingeing.....fiscally and socially I'm way ahead of most socialists here or even elsewhere....

1) The same applies to any further education

2) I disagree and again its a choice by people to do

3) Do many jobs? I think you will find the majority do not. Which does not mean again people should pay for that further education

4) Misdirection as nobody is calling or people to pay for their health care.

5) So again I can see your reasons on certain degree's but again its a choice people actively make. These course cost money and those who do them, benefit from them especially with the specialized ones. Those people then are much better off for this with pay and employment. Thus where they do benefit, then they should pay for this qualification even more so. Nothing is free and i fail to see why people should not pay for something that can and does benefit them.

well we shall have to agree to disagree....

loss of the grants syatem was an unnecessary part of unnecessary austerity

Lord Foul wrote:well we shall have to agree to disagree....

loss of the grants syatem was an unnecessary part of unnecessary austerity

No worries mate, we will have to agree to disagree.

Lord Foul wrote:

Thorin wrote:


Oh the poor dears, that they like anyone else has to borrow money if they want things. Like a house or a car. Are you going to give these away free next?

Again nobody is forcing them to do a degree, its their choice.

why are you focussing soley on degrees?

What you are not telling me is why I or anyone else should pay for this further education that is not compulsory?

because, in the traditional areas at least its an ultimate benefit to everyone....

They make very little difference in employment unless it is a specialized field. 

so why do so many jobs require education to degree level??

Yes anyone can go to University, so you are talking abject gibberish.

They have to pay their way like anyone else

the same could be said for health services...but I dont think there are many brave enough...

need an op...get a loan

considering the minor cost (in the grand scheme of things) Its pure parsimony to do otherwise....

AND more importantly, those who would end up paying would be those who actually DO benefit .....the CEO's and shareholders of those big companies...you know the ones who make the obscene profits and pay their top dogs obscene wages for very little...which they then avoid paying tax on.....


you forget ...possibly due to scrat and HA's lying whingeing.....fiscally and socially I'm way ahead of most socialists here or even elsewhere....

I rather feel that you have just made yourself a candidate for the malevolent attention of the "secret room" in Sassy's Coven.

I keep feeling pricks from the pins that S**t and his little yappy lapdog - aided and abetted, no doubt, by the aforesaid proprietor - are sticking into sundry parts of the anatomy of little clay facsimiles of me.

It's one of the drawbacks of being , ahem, a wealthy landlord living off the DHSS-provided rents of his downtrodden tenants, but someone has to carry the burden.....as well as putting up with the, er, pricks.

well I dont know about secret room, but scrat the prat is certainly laying it on thick in their non public room, (which of course I can see/post in) hence my changed signature.....

Why would you include History as a degree which should be free LF?

yes Ragga, since understanding the past (and researching it) is fundamental to understanding where (and why) we are "where we are" and where we are going (or perhaps ought to be going). out understanding of history is cahnging all the time as things from the past are re-evaluated by each generation of historians, and history is often the "pathway degree" into such fields as anthropology, and archeology etc.

Lord Foul wrote:yes Ragga, since understanding the past (and researching it) is fundamental to understanding where (and why) we are "where we are" and where we are going (or perhaps ought to be going). out understanding of history is cahnging all the time as things from the past are re-evaluated by each generation of historians, and history is often the "pathway degree" into such fields as anthropology, and archeology etc.

Surely most people with a history degree don't go into those professions though, and history can be researched without doing a degree.

Anything "can" be researched without doing a degree....the sticking point then becomes credibility
research, to be credible has to be "peer reviewed"

Lord Foul wrote:yes Ragga, since understanding the past (and researching it) is fundamental to understanding where (and why) we are "where we are" and where we are going (or perhaps ought to be going). out understanding of history is cahnging all the time as things from the past are re-evaluated by each generation of historians, and history is often the "pathway degree" into such fields as anthropology, and archeology etc.

That's what Milady did...and ended up with a doctorate in geology and a couple of other degrees in stuff I had never heard of.

Puts my two "O" levels in woodwork and mole strangling in the shade......

Lord Foul wrote:well I dont know about secret room, but scrat the prat is certainly laying it on thick in their non public room, (which of course I can see/post in) hence my changed signature.....

It's where that disgusting filth about myself and my late brother was moved after the bastards realised that I could see what they were saying. Odd how "admin" terminated my account at the same time, isn't it?

Two "o's" in Woodwork? I got 2 "a's" in Poker, I in Snooker, and a mention in Dispatches !

I got an "a" in "behind the bike shed" activities

Lord Foul wrote:I got an "a" in "behind the bike shed" activities

Masturbating?

no old son...I prefered more "satisfying" activities.....
I have never been a "loner" unlike some........

Angry Andy wrote:Yet another rw biased party political broadcast by the Daily Mail.
Mosg of the British public have seen through the charade of media propaganda. 
One day , you will too Thor.

Maybe there's some sour grapes in this story by the RW press, but the underlying story--that people vote their interests--is heartwarming. That's the way democracy should work.

Do the wealthy vote for the candidate pushing tax breaks for the rich? Does the polar bear poop on the iceberg? Where else ya gonna put it?

Why has no one mentioned this lord buckethead the most sensible candidate in the election?

hello ordinaries, have the leftists circle jerked themselves into a frenzy yet?
can I just point out that even with this massive mobilisation of the YOOF by the bribes offered labour failed spectacularly to win the election. seems Corbynis more gordon brown failure than Ed miliband failure.
However give him his dues, he is the 12th most successful labour leader since Attlee in the 50's based on his vote share of the entire electorate.
the only worse ones are Blair (twice), Kinnock (twice), brown, miliband and foot.









this graph shows why people got free education and why they cant now

Thorin wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:the point is its wrong to saddle a young person with £1000's of debts, BEFORE they even begin to start a career.
and degree DO make a difference in as much as, whethere the degree is strictly relevent or not, the mere fact of having one, especially in the "traditional areas" is what the employer wants , since it shows comitment and the ability to continue learning.

moreover we ARE short (and will get shorter still after brexit) of mechanics, brickies plumbers sparkies etc...
courses on these to ond/hnd levels should be free and available to anyone who isnt "academically inclined"

or who maybe wish to either switch trades or become multi skilled.

moreover those courses required to become a sparkie/ registered gas safe plumber etc SHOULD be free
along with the frequently required "updates"

whilst you claim that "anyone can go to uni...that is not "strictly" true...only if you have a botomless money pit OR are willing to be saddled with £1000's of debt is that true.....

and at the moment the only thing being mooted is that the TUTION fees should be free, nothing has been said about the "maintenance" aspect (which of course would be solved by the provison of a universal citizens income)

Oh the poor dears, that they like anyone else has to borrow money if they want things. Like a house or a car. Are you going to give these away free next?

Again nobody is forcing them to do a degree, its their choice.

What you are not telling me is why I or anyone else should pay for this further education that is not compulsory?

They make very little difference in employment unless it is a specialized field. 

Yes anyone can go to University, so you are talking abject gibberish.

They have to pay their way like anyone else

Way back when, the mid 80s to be precise, I was adrift career wise as I'd spent most of my late teens/early twenties bringing up my child and drifting through part time dead end jobs. Then I heard about a Government run TOPS course where I could obtain a Secretarial Diploma and it was free. I took it, got my Diploma, got a job and worked my way to a good wage within a few years. I couldn't have done it had that course not been free. It actually turned my life around.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Thorin wrote:


Oh the poor dears, that they like anyone else has to borrow money if they want things. Like a house or a car. Are you going to give these away free next?

Again nobody is forcing them to do a degree, its their choice.

What you are not telling me is why I or anyone else should pay for this further education that is not compulsory?

They make very little difference in employment unless it is a specialized field. 

Yes anyone can go to University, so you are talking abject gibberish.

They have to pay their way like anyone else

Way back when, the mid 80s to be precise, I was adrift  career wise as I'd spent most of my late teens/early twenties bringing up my child and drifting through part time dead end jobs.   Then I heard about a Government run TOPS course where I could obtain a Secretarial Diploma  and it was free.   I took it, got my Diploma, got a job and worked my way to a good wage within a few years.  I couldn't have done it had that course not been free.  It actually turned my life around.  

I am glad it helped change your life, but do you not think it only fair to pay back what has been done for you when it has benefited you Horatio? I am not saying people should not have help with education over costs. They should have help. My view is where it has helped people, I fail to see why people cannot pay back, when it helps them earn a good wage? That say if they earn over 25k or something higher.