The BBC and Corbyn.

by Andy Wed May 24, 2017 7:17 am

So why DID the BBC edit the multi news interview with Corbyn to deliberatly omit his utter condemnation of the bombing which was at the start of the interview.
Sky ITN and Chsnnel 4 showed the whole interview in full.
More evidence of Conservative bias in the BBC?
It was splattered over the news last night.

by Guest Wed May 24, 2017 7:23 am

Angry Andy wrote:So why DID the BBC edit the multi news interview with Corbyn to deliberatly omit his utter condemnation of the bombing which was at the start of the interview.
Sky ITN and Chsnnel 4 showed the whole interview in full.
More evidence of Conservative bias in the BBC?
It was splattered over the news last night.

That is what you are concerned about?

Not that 22 people have lost their lives and 59 are injured to this attack?

Your supposed insane view that the BBC is pro Tory, when its as left as it comes

For fuck sake

by Andy Wed May 24, 2017 7:34 am

Jeremy Corbyn's touching tribute to Manchester terror attack victims

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/our-hearts-broken-resolve-never-10485855#ICID=Android_TMNewsApp_AppShare

Against

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-40010554/manchester-attack-jeremy-corbyn-on-traumatic-time

Go compare.

And if you tell anymore outright lies about me, Ben will be inundated with complaints. Not your Modding mates Eds and Foul.

by Guest Wed May 24, 2017 7:36 am

Angry Andy wrote:Jeremy Corbyn's touching tribute to Manchester terror attack victims

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/our-hearts-broken-resolve-never-10485855#ICID=Android_TMNewsApp_AppShare

Go compare.

Disgusting

Those trying to garner political favour off the murder of innocents in a terrorist attack.

by Andy Wed May 24, 2017 7:51 am

I agree. The editors at the BBC should hang their heads in shame.

by Guest Wed May 24, 2017 7:51 am

Angry Andy wrote:I agree. The editors at the BBC should hang their heads in shame.

Including yourself

by Andy Wed May 24, 2017 8:03 am

Thorin wrote:
Angry Andy wrote:I agree. The editors at the BBC should hang their heads in shame.

Including yourself

You are a true wanker Thorin. A narcissist who wants to dominate and own the forum.
[size=32]You are not rignt on everything, and you cannot dictate who posts what, when and where.[/size]
[size=32]Its not your own exclusive fiefdom and you ain't a moderator.[/size]
[size=32]The bombing was an appalling tragedy , and we are all grieving, but life is carrying on, as does the news.[/size]

[size=32]Or are we only allowed to post on topics according to your wishes and with your approval?
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by Guest Wed May 24, 2017 8:10 am

Angry Andy wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Including yourself
You are a true wanker Thorin. A narcissist who wants to dominate and own the forum.
You are not rignt on everything, and you cannot dictate who posts what, when and where.
Its not your own exclusive fiefdom and you ain't a moderator.
The bombing was an appalling tragedy , and we are all grieving, but life is carrying on, as does the news.

Or are we only allowed to post on topics according to your wishes and with your approval?

You can think what you like of me Andy

Not trying to dominate or control posts

What I do is rightly be critical of people who use a terrorist event to garner political favour for any side, no matter whether that be Tory, Labour, Liberal etc

You did so here and even admitted the BBC were wrong for doing so, which would make you wrong also

Go figure

What you have to learn to do is take criticism, because you clearly have no problem giving criticism, but throw your dummy out when its given to you.

That is clearly a double standard by you

by Andy Wed May 24, 2017 8:14 am

You clearly cannot see the issue.

When 1 poster makes 70% of all posts on a well populated forum, that is dominating the forum.

Its the BBC who are turning the atrocity into political gain by judicious and selective editing of an open speech made by Corbyn.
Why would they do that?

by Guest Wed May 24, 2017 8:16 am

Angry Andy wrote:You clearly cannot see the issue.

When 1 poster makes 70% of all posts on a well populated forum, that is dominating the forum.

Its the BBC who are turning the atrocity into political gain by judicious and selective editing of an open speech made by Corbyn.
Why would they do that?

So you are jealous of how much I post, which is then your own failing, not mine.

The only person I see making a political point on this, was you with this thread.

You care more about the image of Corbyn, than you do for the victims of this attack.

I find that disgusting

by Andy Wed May 24, 2017 8:32 am

Am I jealous of your Obsessive Compulsive disorder for posting endlessly on a forum about every topic?
No.
Unlike you, I don't have an opinion on EVERY topic, and like every other poster on here, I don't feel the need to post my thoughts on everything.
I have better things to do with my life.
Just getting ready to walk my dog on the heath, before it gets too hot.

by Guest Wed May 24, 2017 8:36 am

Angry Andy wrote:Am I jealous of your Obsessive Compi]ulsive discorder for posting endlessly on a forum about every topic?
No.
Unlike you, I don't have an opinion on EVERY topic, and like every other poster on here, I don't feel the need to post my thoughts on everything.
I have better things to do with my life.
Just getting ready to walk my dog on the heath, before it gets too hot.

So you clearly are jealous, as nobody else seems to be bothered that i help to start and generate debate with many topics.

Well I am not surprised you cannot engage your brain to function and think past your love of Corbyn

It seems to me you are very bitter about me, a clear sign of jealousy.

Like I say, it just proves you cannot take criticism

My view would stand to anyone making a view on the Political parties here off the terrorist attack, after they have all agreed to suspend campaigning.

Or did you not get your memo from comrade Corbyn on that?

by Raggamuffin Wed May 24, 2017 7:18 pm

I have to defend Andy a bit here. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with him re the subject, but it's a valid topic for discussion. Like it or not, the election will go ahead, and Corbyn does have to be seen to be doing and saying the right thing after the issues about the IRA and Hamas, etc.

by Guest Wed May 24, 2017 7:21 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:I have to defend Andy a bit here. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with him re the subject, but it's a valid topic for discussion. Like it or not, the election will go ahead, and Corbyn does have to be seen to be doing and saying the right thing after the issues about the IRA and Hamas, etc.

I have not dished Corbyn and I don't think anyone has for his views on this terrorist act.

Buts its very poor to go off about this before the bodies of those murdered have not even gotten cold yet.

Hence why all parties suspended campaigning for the moment, as what matters more is unity in this country at a time like this.

So his views were poor to say the least

by Raggamuffin Wed May 24, 2017 7:23 pm

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:I have to defend Andy a bit here. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with him re the subject, but it's a valid topic for discussion. Like it or not, the election will go ahead, and Corbyn does have to be seen to be doing and saying the right thing after the issues about the IRA and Hamas, etc.

I have not dished Corbyn and I don't think anyone has for his views on this terrorist act.

Buts its very poor to go off about this before the bodies of those murdered have not even gotten cold yet.

Hence why all parties suspended campaigning for the moment, as what matters more is unity in this country at a time like this.

So his views were poor to say the least

So should anyone be posting about anything else then in your opinion? It's a valid discussion. Corbyn has a reputation for being a tad too sympathetic towards terrorists, and that could make the difference between someone voting Labour and not voting Labour. The election isn't going to be cancelled.

by Guest Wed May 24, 2017 7:26 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

I have not dished Corbyn and I don't think anyone has for his views on this terrorist act.

Buts its very poor to go off about this before the bodies of those murdered have not even gotten cold yet.

Hence why all parties suspended campaigning for the moment, as what matters more is unity in this country at a time like this.

So his views were poor to say the least

So should anyone be posting about anything else then in your opinion? It's a valid discussion. Corbyn has a reputation for being a tad too sympathetic towards terrorists, and that could make the difference between someone voting Labour and not voting Labour. The election isn't going to be cancelled.

Basically no they should not use the death of victims to garner sympathy for a political leader, do you see anyone else making political points off this terrorist act around the political parties?

I don;t, do you?

Has Corbyn been shown on TV on all channels stating his views on this?

Yes

So to make political points off this, is piss poor and is thinking more of Corbyns PR than that of the victims.

I would think any politician is the last thing on peoples mind after an attack, but the victims and their families.

Would you not agree?

by Raggamuffin Wed May 24, 2017 7:28 pm

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

So should anyone be posting about anything else then in your opinion? It's a valid discussion. Corbyn has a reputation for being a tad too sympathetic towards terrorists, and that could make the difference between someone voting Labour and not voting Labour. The election isn't going to be cancelled.

Basically no they should not use the death of victims to garner sympathy for a political leader, do you see anyone else making political points off this terrorist act around the political parties?

I don;t, do you?

We has Corbyn been shown on TV on all channels stating his views on this?

Yes

So to make political points off this, is piss poor and is thinking more of Corbyns PR than that of the victims.

I would think any politician is the last thing on peoples mind after an attack, but the victims and their families.

Would you not agree?

People make all kinds of points after a horrible incident like this, and I think it's unfair to imply that they're disgusting for doing so.

by Guest Wed May 24, 2017 7:29 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Basically no they should not use the death of victims to garner sympathy for a political leader, do you see anyone else making political points off this terrorist act around the political parties?

I don;t, do you?

We has Corbyn been shown on TV on all channels stating his views on this?

Yes

So to make political points off this, is piss poor and is thinking more of Corbyns PR than that of the victims.

I would think any politician is the last thing on peoples mind after an attack, but the victims and their families.

Would you not agree?

People make all kinds of points after a horrible incident like this, and I think it's unfair to imply that they're disgusting for doing so.

They completely are when they place the perception of a political leader of a Political party based off the victims of a terrorist attack. Over that of the victims and their families.

by Raggamuffin Wed May 24, 2017 7:30 pm

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

People make all kinds of points after a horrible incident like this, and I think it's unfair to imply that they're disgusting for doing so.

They completely are when they place the perception of a political leader of a Political party based off the victims of a terrorist attack.

I do hope you haven't been slagging off Islam again then Didge. That would be most distasteful and rather political, don't you think?

Now I shall look into Andy's accusation and see what I think. I might not be able to find the interview of course.

by Guest Wed May 24, 2017 7:33 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

They completely are when they place the perception of a political leader of a Political party based off the victims of a terrorist attack.

I do hope you haven't been slagging off Islam again then Didge. That would be most distasteful and rather political, don't you think?

Now I shall look into Andy's accusation and see what I think. I might not be able to find the interview of course.

Why would it be distasteful, to be critical of Islam when the act was committed in the name of Islam?

Are you claiming this was not an Islamic terrorist attack?

You can do as you please, but I think many people are tired of people like you trying to distance what is a glaring factor of this terrorism.

Islam

by Raggamuffin Wed May 24, 2017 7:38 pm

Angry Andy wrote:So why DID the BBC edit the multi news interview with Corbyn to deliberatly omit his utter condemnation of the bombing which was at the start of the interview.
Sky ITN and Chsnnel 4 showed the whole interview in full.
More evidence of Conservative bias in the BBC?
It was splattered over the news last night.

Is this the interview you're referring to?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ywhv-016jY

by Guest Wed May 24, 2017 7:41 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Angry Andy wrote:So why DID the BBC edit the multi news interview with Corbyn to deliberatly omit his utter condemnation of the bombing which was at the start of the interview.
Sky ITN and Chsnnel 4 showed the whole interview in full.
More evidence of Conservative bias in the BBC?
It was splattered over the news last night.

Is this the interview you're referring to?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ywhv-016jY

Thanks, that proves Andy was lying and that he was making a political point over the murder of the victims

Are you going to castigate Andy now Rags?

Take your time

by eddie Wed May 24, 2017 7:43 pm

Angry Andy wrote:Jeremy Corbyn's touching tribute to Manchester terror attack victims

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/our-hearts-broken-resolve-never-10485855#ICID=Android_TMNewsApp_AppShare

Against

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-40010554/manchester-attack-jeremy-corbyn-on-traumatic-time

Go compare.

And if you tell anymore outright lies about me, Ben will be inundated with complaints. Not your Modding mates Eds and Foul.

Ah really. Funny how I've defended you a couple of times lately - against didge, as it happens - yet I'm his "modding mate".

You really need to grow up. You're quite immature for a grown man.

by Raggamuffin Wed May 24, 2017 7:44 pm

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Is this the interview you're referring to?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ywhv-016jY

Thanks, that proves Andy was lying and that he was making a political point over the murder of the victims

Are you going to castigate Andy now Rags?

Take your time

I don't yet know if that's what Andy was referring to. There's not enough info in his post.

by Raggamuffin Wed May 24, 2017 7:45 pm

Ah, just read his subsequent post.

by Guest Wed May 24, 2017 7:46 pm

eddie wrote:
Angry Andy wrote:Jeremy Corbyn's touching tribute to Manchester terror attack victims

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/our-hearts-broken-resolve-never-10485855#ICID=Android_TMNewsApp_AppShare

Against

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-40010554/manchester-attack-jeremy-corbyn-on-traumatic-time

Go compare.

And if you tell anymore outright lies about me, Ben will be inundated with complaints. Not your Modding mates Eds and Foul.

Ah really. Funny how I've defended you a couple of times lately - against didge, as it happens - yet I'm his "modding mate".

You really need to grow up. You're quite immature for a grown man.

Yes you at least try to be fair and disagreed with me the other night, defending Andy.

Sadly he is paranoid and is very bitter towards you and Victor.

Anyway, lets all move on as this entire thread was in poor taste and based on a lie.

by Guest Wed May 24, 2017 7:47 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Thanks, that proves Andy was lying and that he was making a political point over the murder of the victims

Are you going to castigate Andy now Rags?

Take your time

I don't yet know if that's what Andy was referring to. There's not enough info in his post.

Really?

Andy claimed they edited out his condemnation of the attack

That video has Corbyn clearly condemn.

by Raggamuffin Wed May 24, 2017 7:48 pm

Angry Andy wrote:Jeremy Corbyn's touching tribute to Manchester terror attack victims

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/our-hearts-broken-resolve-never-10485855#ICID=Android_TMNewsApp_AppShare

Against

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-40010554/manchester-attack-jeremy-corbyn-on-traumatic-time

Go compare.

And if you tell anymore outright lies about me, Ben will be inundated with complaints. Not your Modding mates Eds and Foul.

Are they not two different interviews Andy?

by Raggamuffin Wed May 24, 2017 7:50 pm

Thorin wrote:
eddie wrote:

Ah really. Funny how I've defended you a couple of times lately - against didge, as it happens - yet I'm his "modding mate".

You really need to grow up. You're quite immature for a grown man.

Yes you at least try to be fair and disagreed with me the other night, defending Andy.

Sadly he is paranoid and is very bitter towards you and Victor.

Anyway, lets all move on as this entire thread was in poor taste and based on a lie.

I'll decide if I want to "move on" or not. I'll see what reply Andy has.

by Guest Wed May 24, 2017 7:53 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Yes you at least try to be fair and disagreed with me the other night, defending Andy.

Sadly he is paranoid and is very bitter towards you and Victor.

Anyway, lets all move on as this entire thread was in poor taste and based on a lie.

I'll decide if I want to "move on" or not. I'll see what reply Andy has.

To be honest it seems you are itching for a fight.

And am not going to give you one.

by Raggamuffin Wed May 24, 2017 7:55 pm

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I'll decide if I want to "move on" or not. I'll see what reply Andy has.

To be honest it seems you are itching for a fight.

And am not going to give you one.

So stop pestering me then. I'm asking Andy about the subject, not you.

by Guest Wed May 24, 2017 7:57 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

To be honest it seems you are itching for a fight.

And am not going to give you one.

So stop pestering me then. I'm asking Andy about the subject, not you.

Fuck it.

Grow up you spoilt brat.

There, happy now you have got some attention?

by Andy Wed May 24, 2017 8:56 pm

The BBC edited out Corbyn's first sentence, which he made a resounding condemnation of the attack,

by Raggamuffin Wed May 24, 2017 8:58 pm

Angry Andy wrote:The BBC edited out Corbyn's first sentence, which he made a resounding condemnation of the attack,

In the interview with the trees in the background? Do you have the whole interview?

by Andy Wed May 24, 2017 9:02 pm

Not at the moment Raggs. I got the link via Facebook this morning, will try to find it again,. It was from the Gaurdian or Independent.

by Guest Wed May 24, 2017 9:04 pm

Angry Andy wrote:Not at the moment Raggs. I got the link via Facebook this morning, will try to find it again,. It was from the Gaurdian or Independent.

So will you now admit you were wrong about the BBC?

by Raggamuffin Wed May 24, 2017 9:05 pm

Angry Andy wrote:Not at the moment Raggs. I got the link via Facebook this morning, will try to find it again,. It was from the Gaurdian or Independent.

There's more here from The Telegraph.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/23/jeremy-corbyn-pays-tribute-victims-manchester-terror-attack/

by Andy Wed May 24, 2017 9:18 pm

I think the BBC saw their "error" and showed the full statement in later viewings. It was picked up very quickly and bouncwd around twitter and facebook early this morning..
Not surw why they would need to edit a statement in such a way.
The Sun or Mail I could understand.

by Guest Wed May 24, 2017 9:20 pm

Angry Andy wrote:I think the BBC saw their "error" and showed the full statement in later viewings. It was picked up very quickly and bouncwd around twitter and facebook early this morning..
Not surw why they would need to edit a statement in such a way.
The Sun or Mail I could understand.

So after being shown to be in error yourself as you went by FB, you cannot admit you were wrong.

Wow

by Raggamuffin Wed May 24, 2017 9:21 pm

Angry Andy wrote:I think the BBC saw their "error" and showed the full statement in later viewings. It was picked up very quickly and bouncwd around twitter and facebook early this morning..
Not surw why they would need to edit a statement in such a way.
The Sun or Mail I could understand.

Maybe they couldn't fit it all in at the time.

Anyway, in the edited version, it was very clear that he didn't sympathise with the terrorist. It doesn't change the issue about the IRA though - sorry.

by Andy Wed May 24, 2017 9:39 pm

In the same mould as the Conservative lady who was a membwr of the IRA. I will dig out the link.
https://tompride.wordpress.com/2017/05/21/former-active-ira-member-serving-as-tory-party-councillor/

You see Raggs, everyone has history.

Even Mayhem and Rudderless.

by Raggamuffin Wed May 24, 2017 9:41 pm

Angry Andy wrote:In the same mould as the Conservative lady who was a membwr of the IRA. I will dig out the link.

I feel the same about her Andy. I'm not voting Tory anyway though.

by Andy Wed May 24, 2017 9:46 pm

No need to apologise Raggs. I am not Corbyns biggest fan.
But I am a huge fan of his costed and fair manifesto. Fair to students. Workers. The poor. The ill. The elderly. Neutral for the feckless and lazy. Tougher on the really wealthy. And brutal on the tax dodgers.

Compared to the uncosted tory manifesto which is the polar opposite.
Hitting kids. The poor. The ill. The elderly. Dementia sufferers. Helping the rich. And big business. And fox hunting squires. And ivory traders. And tax dodgers. And private health companies.

by Raggamuffin Wed May 24, 2017 9:52 pm

Angry Andy wrote:No need to apologise Raggs. I am not Corbyns biggest fan.
But I am a huge fan of his costed and fair manifesto. Fair to students. Workers. The poor. The ill. The elderly. Neutral for the feckless and lazy. Tougher on the really wealthy. And brutal on the tax dodgers.

Compared to the uncosted tory manifesto which is the polar opposite.
Hitting kids. The poor. The ill. The elderly. Dementia sufferers. Helping the rich. And big business. And fox hunting squires. And ivory traders. And tax dodgers. And private health companies.

I said in another thread that some of his policies quite appealed to me, but I still can't get past this IRA thing. I just don't like the way he avoids the direct questions put to him and gets irritable with the interviewers.

by Andy Wed May 24, 2017 9:54 pm

He may not last. There are a good number of intelligent , articulate and respected people in waiting, .
My choice.
Keir Starmer .

by Raggamuffin Wed May 24, 2017 9:56 pm

Angry Andy wrote:He may not last. There are a good number of intelligent , articulate and respected people in waiting, .
My choice.
Keir Starmer .

Well at the moment Corbyn represents Labour. I know that people vote for a potential MP, but they're really voting for the leader aren't they?

by Andy Wed May 24, 2017 10:00 pm

Corbyn is the driving force behind the manifesto.

Fairness to all.

Oretty good slogan.

As opoosed to 'We are alk in this together'.. Some more than others.

May aooears tainted in the same way as Corbyn. It might come down to which manifesto is more attainable.

by Raggamuffin Wed May 24, 2017 10:01 pm

To be quite honest, I'm really not sure who to vote for. I'm not even sure if anyone but reps of the main parties will be standing. I suppose it will have to be the Lib Dems.

by Guest Wed May 24, 2017 10:04 pm

Thorin wrote:
Angry Andy wrote:I think the BBC saw their "error" and showed the full statement in later viewings. It was picked up very quickly and bouncwd around twitter and facebook early this morning..
Not surw why they would need to edit a statement in such a way.
The Sun or Mail I could understand.

So after being shown to be in error yourself as you went by FB, you cannot admit you were wrong.

Wow

Nice to see a civil debate here, but see what is said behind peoples backs

http://electricsky.forumotion.co.uk/t4230p25-monkey-boy-and-his-extremists-running-nf-neo-fascists#57151

Seriously, do you lot over there do nothing but bitch about people Andy?

by Andy Wed May 24, 2017 10:05 pm

Anyway, early night beckons - 0400 family airport run in the morning. Night Raggs. Good chat. Civilised.

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