Three girls.

magica wrote:It was racist as they deliberately chose white girls saying they were slags, not like Muslim girls, bastards!

Syl wrote:I'm not sure if anyone has posted about this yet (been away) but if anyone has watched the documentary drama on TV over the last few nights, its been about the sexual abuse three young white girls suffered at the hands of  Pakistani men in Rochdale.
The girls  are just three of hundreds, who were passed around  men in organised paedophile gangs, Rochdale is one of many towns and cities where this went on (and is still going on) God knows how many underaged girls (from aged 11 upwards) throughout the country have suffered.
Vulnerable girls were groomed, raped and pimped out for many years before the police, councils, authorities and politicians did anything about it, even though they knew full well what was going on.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/three-girls-rochdale-abuse-case-13005084

harvesmom wrote:I watched it, it made for very difficult viewing tbh, but I was interested enough to watch because I wanted to know how the whole thing had been covered up for so long.

Its clear the wrong people lost their careers over this, people who were trying to help those girls. And the ones who ignored it for years have walked away with no repercussions.

The worst thing is, this is still going on today, its not exclusive  to Rochdale/Bradford, this is happening all over the UK. If there is one good thing to come out of this disturbing programme it will be that other girls will come forward and more arrests will be made.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Syl wrote:I'm not sure if anyone has posted about this yet (been away) but if anyone has watched the documentary drama on TV over the last few nights, its been about the sexual abuse three young white girls suffered at the hands of  Pakistani men in Rochdale.
The girls  are just three of hundreds, who were passed around  men in organised paedophile gangs, Rochdale is one of many towns and cities where this went on (and is still going on) God knows how many underaged girls (from aged 11 upwards) throughout the country have suffered.
Vulnerable girls were groomed, raped and pimped out for many years before the police, councils, authorities and politicians did anything about it, even though they knew full well what was going on.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/three-girls-rochdale-abuse-case-13005084

Just watched that poor social worker in an interview on the news.  She was in tears at how she'd been treated and what is still going on.

Syl wrote:People have asked over and over again how the men who worked for years grooming underage kids got away with it.

I read this piece today in the Sunday Mirror.
Written by Saira Khan, a Muslim woman  herself, so presuming she knows more about the culture of some Muslim communities than most none Muslims do, I found this very interesting and informative.....and it explains just how these men have operated freely for so long.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/three-girls-product-backward-culture-10461384

"Watching a TV drama packed with vile villains who looked and sounded just like the men in the community I grew up in had me in despair this week.
The BBC’s harrowing but ­brilliant Three Girls told the true story of a Rochdale paedophile gang, nine men of Pakistani origin who groomed and abused vulnerable white girls, some only 13.
Repeated failures by police and social services to address this scandal – despite a mountain of evidence – are well documented.
And it’s clear such organised abuse was allowed to carry on for so long because nearly everyone who could have stopped it had written off those poor girls – who came from chaotic, difficult backgrounds – as flaky, unreliable, ­inferior witness material.
The authorities were also accused of backing off for fear of being called racists.

But five years after these men were jailed, one of the detectives who put them away has revealed there are many more young rape victims who’ve never seen justice.
So we have to ask – why? We have to shine a light on a terrible wrong that needs to be put right.
It’s way past time to be worrying about being politically incorrect or what capital the extreme right-wing might make of it all. Pretending this never happened just plays into their hands.
Paedophiles come in all colours – and the Pakistani community (which is very over-represented in child grooming cases) is no exception. It has been asked: “How do men with wives and kids, living in such tight-knit communities, get away with this for so long?”
The sickening answer is they were protected by the very group that should have exposed them.

Such communities, which I know well, are made up of extended families, many of whom entered the UK through marriage.
Some can’t speak much English, and most don’t feel British and have no desire to integrate.
Their culture decrees that the avoidance of shame is everything so they never “tell on their own”.
Even more disturbing, the wives of these men may suspect their husbands are sleeping around.
They may even have caught a sexually transmitted disease from them, but they are culturally bound to keep their mouths shut, or risk being beaten or even killed.
This patriarchal culture operates in segregated households where men are the priority and women are not seen or heard.

Marriage is usually between first cousins or other ­relatives from Pakistan. This is thought necessary to protect the
“biradari” (it means male kin) and is a clan-based system.
Every aspect of the lives of the women who live under it is controlled. They are told what to wear and how to behave.
Their life starts and ends at home where they cook, clean and raise children while their husbands go out to work, socialise and do as they please.
These men have nothing but contempt for young white girls allowed the freedoms they deny their wives and daughters.
Don’t get me wrong – the vast majority of child abusers are white men, acting alone.
And not all men of ­Pakistani heritage are in paedophile grooming gangs, just as not all white working class girls are troubled and vulnerable.

But to expose the evil few, we must admit culture and race plays its part and that a small minority of Pakistani men has an unacceptable view of white girls.
Only by being honest about the actions of that minority can we stop all decent, law-abiding Pakistani men being tarred with the same brush."

Jules wrote:

Syl wrote:People have asked over and over again how the men who worked for years grooming underage kids got away with it.

I read this piece today in the Sunday Mirror.
Written by Saira Khan, a Muslim woman  herself, so presuming she knows more about the culture of some Muslim communities than most none Muslims do, I found this very interesting and informative.....and it explains just how these men have operated freely for so long.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/three-girls-product-backward-culture-10461384

"Watching a TV drama packed with vile villains who looked and sounded just like the men in the community I grew up in had me in despair this week.
The BBC’s harrowing but ­brilliant Three Girls told the true story of a Rochdale paedophile gang, nine men of Pakistani origin who groomed and abused vulnerable white girls, some only 13.
Repeated failures by police and social services to address this scandal – despite a mountain of evidence – are well documented.
And it’s clear such organised abuse was allowed to carry on for so long because nearly everyone who could have stopped it had written off those poor girls – who came from chaotic, difficult backgrounds – as flaky, unreliable, ­inferior witness material.
The authorities were also accused of backing off for fear of being called racists.

But five years after these men were jailed, one of the detectives who put them away has revealed there are many more young rape victims who’ve never seen justice.
So we have to ask – why? We have to shine a light on a terrible wrong that needs to be put right.
It’s way past time to be worrying about being politically incorrect or what capital the extreme right-wing might make of it all. Pretending this never happened just plays into their hands.
Paedophiles come in all colours – and the Pakistani community (which is very over-represented in child grooming cases) is no exception. It has been asked: “How do men with wives and kids, living in such tight-knit communities, get away with this for so long?”
The sickening answer is they were protected by the very group that should have exposed them.

Such communities, which I know well, are made up of extended families, many of whom entered the UK through marriage.
Some can’t speak much English, and most don’t feel British and have no desire to integrate.
Their culture decrees that the avoidance of shame is everything so they never “tell on their own”.
Even more disturbing, the wives of these men may suspect their husbands are sleeping around.
They may even have caught a sexually transmitted disease from them, but they are culturally bound to keep their mouths shut, or risk being beaten or even killed.
This patriarchal culture operates in segregated households where men are the priority and women are not seen or heard.

Marriage is usually between first cousins or other ­relatives from Pakistan. This is thought necessary to protect the
“biradari” (it means male kin) and is a clan-based system.
Every aspect of the lives of the women who live under it is controlled. They are told what to wear and how to behave.
Their life starts and ends at home where they cook, clean and raise children while their husbands go out to work, socialise and do as they please.
These men have nothing but contempt for young white girls allowed the freedoms they deny their wives and daughters.
Don’t get me wrong – the vast majority of child abusers are white men, acting alone.
And not all men of ­Pakistani heritage are in paedophile grooming gangs, just as not all white working class girls are troubled and vulnerable.

But to expose the evil few, we must admit culture and race plays its part and that a small minority of Pakistani men has an unacceptable view of white girls.
Only by being honest about the actions of that minority can we stop all decent, law-abiding Pakistani men being tarred with the same brush."

Saira Khan is about as Muslim as you are.  


She has conspicuously rejected the Muslim faith she was born into.  She married a non Muslim (strict no-no) and flouts Muslim codes as much as she can, .......... and finally just to clear the doubt that she has rejected her religion of birth, she recently took off all her clothes  on TV, an absolute no-no, for people of that faith.


She is a very ambitious woman who is trying to make a name as a religious rebel and a top celebrity presenter in the US and UK. The only God she worships is money, money, money and she will spout any ol' populist nonsense, to swell her bank balance.


Her opinion here may or may not be right (haven't read it yet for me to form an opinion, I'll read it later) but she should never be held up as 'the voice of Muslims'. She is as far removed from that description as can be.


Her ulterior motives destroyed every vestige of credibility she ever had.

eddie wrote:I just watched this on catch up last night and the police and prosecution both admitted that the girls had been let down.

The actual court transcripts were used too and what that paedphile "Daddy" said in court about white girls was awful.

Syl wrote:

eddie wrote:I just watched this on catch up last night and the police and prosecution both admitted that the girls had been let down.

The actual court transcripts were used too and what that paedphile "Daddy" said in court about white girls was awful.

I think this programme only scraped the surface of whats happened throughout the country re the Asian grooming gangs.
If you saw the list of towns and cities at the end of the last episode of where prosecutions have taken place...and realise that for every man prosecuted countless walk free, it gives some idea of just how bad this is.

I do believe that the cover up in the Pakistani communities happened exactly as journalist Saira Khan described.
The cover up by police, CPS, local authorities and social services is harder to understand.

eddie wrote:The comment by the character 'Daddy' was along the lines of "the parents of the girls are to blame for allowing them out on the streets dressed with their tits out and drinking alcohol.."

Whilst he's wrong to use that as an excuse for what he and others did, he did make a point that I had thought throughout:

Many people let those girls down but the first people to do that were their parents.

eddie wrote:The comment by the character 'Daddy' was along the lines of "the parents of the girls are to blame for allowing them out on the streets dressed with their tits out and drinking alcohol.."

Whilst he's wrong to use that as an excuse for what he and others did, he did make a point that I had thought throughout:

Many people let those girls down but the first people to do that were their parents.

eddie wrote:That isn't what I meant.

eddie wrote:I went to college years ago where quite a few Muslim girls attended (not on my course), and they would arrive in full Muslim gear and then change in the female toilets into western clothes.
They'd change back into their Muslim clothes when they left for the day and were picked up by their parents.  

When I asked one of them why she did it, she said it was because boys wouldn't look at her otherwise.
I felt really sad for her. Firstly, she was beautiful anyway and secondly, what has society taught her that she feels the need to not be herself?

Syl wrote:

Jules wrote:

Saira Khan is about as Muslim as you are.  


She has conspicuously rejected the Muslim faith she was born into.  She married a non Muslim (strict no-no) and flouts Muslim codes as much as she can, .......... and finally just to clear the doubt that she has rejected her religion of birth, she recently took off all her clothes  on TV, an absolute no-no, for people of that faith.


She is a very ambitious woman who is trying to make a name as a religious rebel and a top celebrity presenter in the US and UK. The only God she worships is money, money, money and she will spout any ol' populist nonsense, to swell her bank balance.


Her opinion here may or may not be right (haven't read it yet for me to form an opinion, I'll read it later) but she should never be held up as 'the voice of Muslims'. She is as far removed from that description as can be.


Her ulterior motives destroyed every vestige of credibility she ever had.

Wrong...Sarah Khan is Muslim I am not.

Whether she follows the Muslim faith and to what degree I suspect you have as much idea about that as I do.....which is minimal.
She is certainly a modern westernised woman, and good for her for that.
However, she has always said she grew up in the faith, so for that alone I would believe she knows a damn site more than you do about what she does and does not know about closed in Muslim communities.

Syl wrote:I'm not sure if anyone has posted about this yet (been away) but if anyone has watched the documentary drama on TV over the last few nights, its been about the sexual abuse three young white girls suffered at the hands of  Pakistani men in Rochdale.
The girls  are just three of hundreds, who were passed around  men in organised paedophile gangs, Rochdale is one of many towns and cities where this went on (and is still going on) God knows how many underaged girls (from aged 11 upwards) throughout the country have suffered.
Vulnerable girls were groomed, raped and pimped out for many years before the police, councils, authorities and politicians did anything about it, even though they knew full well what was going on.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/three-girls-rochdale-abuse-case-13005084

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Syl wrote:

Wrong...Sarah Khan is Muslim I am not.

Whether she follows the Muslim faith and to what degree I suspect you have as much idea about that as I do.....which is minimal.
She is certainly a modern westernised woman, and good for her for that.
However, she has always said she grew up in the faith, so for that alone I would believe she knows a damn site more than you do about what she does and does not know about closed in Muslim communities.

That sly old Flop attack dog Syl only proves that --  [i][despite all her regular racist and xenophobic blabber over the last couple of years --/i] has still failed to actually learn anything about Muslims., or any foreigners in general, for that matter...

Pretty pathetic, really..

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Syl wrote:

Wrong...Sarah Khan is Muslim I am not.

Whether she follows the Muslim faith and to what degree I suspect you have as much idea about that as I do.....which is minimal.
She is certainly a modern westernised woman, and good for her for that.
However, she has always said she grew up in the faith, so for that alone I would believe she knows a damn site more than you do about what she does and does not know about closed in Muslim communities.

That sly old Flop attack dog Syl only proves that --  [i][despite all her regular racist and xenophobic blabber over the last couple of years --/i] has still failed to actually learn anything about Muslims., or any foreigners in general, for that matter...

Pretty pathetic, really..

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Syl wrote:

Jules wrote:

Saira Khan is about as Muslim as you are.  


She has conspicuously rejected the Muslim faith she was born into.  She married a non Muslim (strict no-no) and flouts Muslim codes as much as she can, .......... and finally just to clear the doubt that she has rejected her religion of birth, she recently took off all her clothes  on TV, an absolute no-no, for people of that faith.


She is a very ambitious woman who is trying to make a name as a religious rebel and a top celebrity presenter in the US and UK. The only God she worships is money, money, money and she will spout any ol' populist nonsense, to swell her bank balance.


Her opinion here may or may not be right (haven't read it yet for me to form an opinion, I'll read it later) but she should never be held up as 'the voice of Muslims'. She is as far removed from that description as can be.


Her ulterior motives destroyed every vestige of credibility she ever had.

Wrong...Sarah Khan is Muslim I am not.

Whether she follows the Muslim faith and to what degree I suspect you have as much idea about that as I do.....which is minimal.
She is certainly a modern westernised woman, and good for her for that.
However, she has always said she grew up in the faith, so for that alone I would believe she knows a damn site more than you do about what she does and does not know about closed in Muslim communities.

That sly old Flop attack dog Syl only proves that --  [i][despite all her regular racist and xenophobic blabber over the last couple of years --/i] has still failed to actually learn anything about Muslims., or any foreigners in general, for that matter...

Pretty pathetic, really..