Ken Livingstone Warns He Will Sue Labour If He Is Expelled For Anti-Semitism

The agreement was controversial at the time, and was criticised by many Jewish leaders both within the Zionist movement (such as the Revisionist Zionist leader Ze'ev Jabotinsky) and outside it.^[4] For German Jews, the agreement offered a way to leave an increasingly hostile environment in Nazi Germany; for the Yishuv, the new Jewish community in Palestine, it offered access to both immigrants and some economic support; and for the Nazis it was seen as a way of breaking the Anti-Nazi boycott of 1933, which had mass support among European Jews and was thought by the German state as a potential threat to a fragile German economy.

The Haavara Agreement was thought among some Nazi circles to be a possible way to rid the country of its supposed "Jewish problem." The head of the Middle Eastern division of the foreign ministry, the anti-Nazi Werner Otto von Hentig, supported the policy of concentrating Jews in Palestine. Hentig believed that if the Jewish population was concentrated in a single foreign entity, then foreign diplomatic policy and containment of the Jews would become easier. Hitler's own support of the Haavara Agreement was unclear and varied throughout the 1930s. Initially, Hitler criticized the agreement, but reversed his opinion and supported it in the period 1937-1939.
After the German invasion of Poland in September 1939, the program was ended.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:


No answer Rags?

I don't have a problem with that post Didge.

Raggamuffin wrote:As for why Jews needed to be a majority in order to create a Jewish State or Jewish homeland, how could they do that if they were in a minority?

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I think it would be better to exclude Trans-Jordan/Jordan for the purposes of the discussion. It was part of the British mandate, But I mean the area to the west of the Jordan.

Really, why?
It was meant to be all for a Jewish home as Mandates had been set up for many Arab nations.

You are trying to white wash history.

So why was 77% not enough?

Then after this in 1937, was over 50% of the then British Mandate not enough for the Arabs?

Again in the 1947?

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:As for why Jews needed to be a majority in order to create a Jewish State or Jewish homeland, how could they do that if they were in a minority?

They did not need to be and neither did the Hashemite's to form a nation

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:


Really, why?
It was meant to be all for a Jewish home as Mandates had been set up for many Arab nations.

You are trying to white wash history.

So why was 77% not enough?

Then after this in 1937, was over 50% of the then British Mandate not enough for the Arabs?

Again in the 1947?

Because we are talking about Israel, not Jordan. What I'm trying to establish is how many Jews went to Palestine (not Jordan) as a result of the Haavara Agreement. The trouble is that when people talk about "Palestine", some include Jordan and some don't. I'm not including it. I'm trying to establish how much Hitler's policies contributed to the Jewish population in what is now Israel - ie, how much he assisted the Zionists (inadvertently).

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:


They did not need to be and neither did the Hashemite's to form a nation

Hmmmm, it's quite difficult to establish a nation for a minority group if the majority of the population are against that, unless it's taken by force of course.

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Because we are talking about Israel, not Jordan. What I'm trying to establish is how many Jews went to Palestine (not Jordan) as a result of the Haavara Agreement. The trouble is that when people talk about "Palestine", some include Jordan and some don't. I'm not including it. I'm trying to establish how much Hitler's policies contributed to the Jewish population in what is now Israel - ie, how much he assisted the Zionists (inadvertently).

Jordan was formed from the British Mandate for Palestine.
So its vitally important to show here, which you are ignoring..
Some people?
Lol, i wonder who that is.
The first thing you need to do is read about the League of nations mandates.
You are also avoiding how and why 77% of the British Mandate for Palestine, was not enough for the Arabs?
How about you first learn of the migrations of many Arabs to the area from the 19th century, after the Jews made what was a desolate and sparsely populated area prosperous.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:

Jordan was formed from the British Mandate for Palestine.
So its vitally important to show here, which you are ignoring..
Some people?
Lol, i wonder who that is.
The first thing you need to do is read about the League of nations mandates.
You are also avoiding how and why 77% of the British Mandate for Palestine, was not enough for the Arabs?
How about you first learn of the migrations of many Arabs to the area from the 19th century, after the Jews made what was a desolate and sparsely populated area prosperous.

It's only relevant if the Jews from Germany were moving to Jordan. I'm talking about the actual subject - the alleged assistance Hitler gave to the Zionists. The Zionists didn't have designs on Jordan.

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It's only relevant if the Jews from Germany were moving to Jordan. I'm talking about the actual subject - the alleged assistance Hitler gave to the Zionists. The Zionists didn't have designs on Jordan.

By September 1939, approximately 282,000 Jews had left Germany and 117,000 from annexed Austria. Of these, some 95,000 emigrated to the United States, 60,000 to Palestine, 40,000 to Great Britain, and about 75,000 to Central and South America, with the largest numbers entering Argentina, Brazil, Chile, and Bolivia. More than 18,000 Jews from the German Reich were also able to find refuge in Shanghai, in Japanese-occupied China.

Well know that 60,000 German Jews moved in the 1930's to Palestine, of which only 12,000 were part of the exploitation of their goods and wealth. Many others lost everything. As did German Jews that fled to other parts of Europe and American. Now between 1931 and 1939 over 150,000 Jews from the rest of the world bought land and settled in Palestine. So you are ignoring Arab migrations to the area, which were unrestricted by the British. Jewish immigration was restricted, because of guess what?
Arab violence against Jews.
The British constantly tried to appease the Arabs and were going against the reason for the Mandate in the first place.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:


By September 1939, approximately 282,000 Jews had left Germany and 117,000 from annexed Austria. Of these, some 95,000 emigrated to the United States, 60,000 to Palestine, 40,000 to Great Britain, and about 75,000 to Central and South America, with the largest numbers entering Argentina, Brazil, Chile, and Bolivia. More than 18,000 Jews from the German Reich were also able to find refuge in Shanghai, in Japanese-occupied China.

Well know that 60,000 German Jews moved in the 1930's to Palestine, of which only 12,000 were part of the exploitation of their goods and wealth. Many others lost everything. As did German Jews that fled to other parts of Europe and American. Now between 1931 and 1939 over 150,000 Jews from the rest of the world bought land and settled in Palestine. So you are ignoring Arab migrations to the area, which were unrestricted by the British. Jewish immigration was restricted, because of guess what?
Arab violence against Jews.
The British constantly tried to appease the Arabs and were going against the reason for the Mandate in the first place.

So you mean "Palestine" as in roughly present-day Israel?

I'm not claiming that all Jews who went to Palestine were from Germany or the occupied countries, I'm merely trying to establish the inadvertent contribution Hitler made to a Jewish homeland. Of course he never lived to see that - I wonder what he would have thought about it.

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

So you mean "Palestine" as in roughly present-day Israel?

I'm not claiming that all Jews who went to Palestine were from Germany or the occupied countries, I'm merely trying to establish the inadvertent contribution Hitler made to a Jewish homeland. Of course he never lived to see that - I wonder what he would have thought about it.

No, the mandate of Palestine.

How was it a contribution, when he was exploiting them, of their wealth and through fear, that they were forced to leave?

How also was it a contribution, when the establishment of a Jewish state had been decided years before, via the creation of the Mandate of Palestine, through the League of nations?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:

No, the mandate of Palestine.

How was it a contribution, when he was exploiting them, of their wealth and through fear, that they were forced to leave?

How also was it a contribution, when the establishment of a Jewish state had been decided years before, via the creation of the Mandate of Palestine, through the League of nations?

You mean the mandate of Palestine as in the mandate of the land west of the Jordan?

Of course he could make a contribution to the numbers of Jews going to that area via his policies and via the Haavara agreement with the Zionists.  Don't start nitpicking about the definition of "contribution".

The Jewish State had not been agreed though, so that's irrelevant.

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You mean the mandate of Palestine as in the mandate of the land west of the Jordan?

Of course he could make a contribution to the numbers of Jews going to that area via his policies and via the Haavara agreement with the Zionists.  Don't start nitpicking about the definition of "contribution".

The Jewish State had not been agreed though, so that's irrelevant.

Yes what was left of the British Mandate after 77% had been given to a minority people to form an Arab nation.

How is it a contribution when he is exploiting them and the formation of a Jewish state had already been decided through the league of nations Mandates?

Like i said, you need to read about the Mandates , as you are clearly lacking any knowledge here.

We can even go back before then with the Balfour agreement by the British in 1917

Hence as shown by countless Historians, to claim Hitler was supporting Zionism, is sheer nonsense.

You have also ignored that he was Pro-Arab Hitler, as were the Nazi's

You have ignored that a minority Arab people ended up with 77% of the mandate and you are silent on this.

To be honest, I am just going to allow people to read all the damning facts I have presented and allow them to decide for themselves.

As its clear you disagree with myself and experts on the topic.

That is your choice, but you have proven nothing.

I have said my peace as this is you regurgitating the same poor arguments.

All the best

Thorin wrote:I told you that you were done here, as you keep regurgitating the same falsehoods.

You have whitewashed history and ignoring the biggest fact, that Jews were returning to their ancestral home.

The Arabs had conquered the area and colonized it, which every incidence of European colonialism is castigated and here with the Arabs, we see apologist dogma.

Like I said, the mandate set up an Arab state with 77% of the land, with a population that was less than the rest of the 23%. And to a minority Arab group, of which you have no objection to, as well as other Arab nations I have shown ruled by a minority people

There never was a Palestine nation, only the Mandate for Palestine. So its you in confusion here and the fact, it was only Jews who refereed to themselves as Palestinians under the mandate. The Arabs, classed themselves As Syrian Arabs at the time and the formation of a Palestinian people dud not form until the 1960's. After which they had the opportunity to form a nation from the remainder of the British Mandate.

Next you till be telling me the people of East Timor, should stay as part of Indonesia and have their genocide continue by them.

So its you distorting historical facts and claiming basically that Israel should not exist, because to you only Israel cannot claim Self-Determination but other peoples can and do this off the absurd view of a minority people cannot have self determination. Jews are a majority anyway now, where they have 20% Arabs, yet nop Jews live under Palestinian control. Ignoring that Israel was a vast majority in parts of the British mandate, especially Jerusalem and had been a majority for centuries. Who were then ethnically cleansed and repopulated by Arabs, by the Jordanians. Jerusalem is now a divided city, because of Jordan.

All these problems could have been avoided, if the Arabs, had accepted the creation of Jordan, and even then the two partition plans. Even after this the offers Israel gave to form a Palestinian nation.

This you ignore the one major fact, you arguing against the self determination of the Jews, but not the Palestinians, when both can have lands and a nation.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:I told you that you were done here, as you keep regurgitating the same falsehoods.

You have whitewashed history and ignoring the biggest fact, that Jews were returning to their ancestral home.

The Arabs had conquered the area and colonized it, which every incidence of European colonialism is castigated and here with the Arabs, we see apologist dogma.

Like I said, the mandate set up an Arab state with 77% of the land, with a population that was less than the rest of the 23%. And to a minority Arab group, of which you have no objection to, as well as other Arab nations I have shown ruled by a minority people

There never was a Palestine nation, only the Mandate for Palestine. So its you in confusion here and the fact, it was only Jews who refereed to themselves as Palestinians under the mandate. The Arabs, classed themselves As Syrian Arabs at the time and the formation of a Palestinian people dud not form until the 1960's. After which they had the opportunity to form a nation from the remainder of the British Mandate.

Next you till be telling me the people of East Timor, should stay as part of Indonesia and have their genocide continue by them.

So its you distorting historical facts and claiming basically that Israel should not exist, because to you only Israel cannot claim Self-Determination but other peoples can and do this off the absurd view of a minority people cannot have self determination. Jews are a majority anyway now, where they have 20% Arabs, yet nop Jews live under Palestinian control. Ignoring that Israel was a vast majority in parts of the British mandate, especially Jerusalem and had been a majority for centuries. Who were then ethnically cleansed and repopulated by Arabs, by the Jordanians. Jerusalem is now a divided city, because of Jordan.

All these problems could have been avoided, if the Arabs, had accepted the creation of Jordan, and even then the two partition plans. Even after this the offers Israel gave to form a Palestinian nation.

This you ignore the one major fact, you arguing against the self determination of the Jews, but not the Palestinians, when both can have lands and a nation.

Ancestral home? Most of them in Germany had never lived there, they were German, and their families had lived in Germany for ages.

We're talking about the real world - the area called Palestine which existed in 1933, not some wishy washy place in your imagination.

You're way off topic now - back on your favourite subject. This is nothing to do with Arabs or Jordan, it's about Hitler and his assistance to the Zionists in 1933 onwards. Zionists don't just want Jews to have a homeland, they want them to have a homeland in that precise area and to be in charge of it, which they couldn't have done without an influx of Jewish people.

You called me a Zionist yesterday, and now you're claiming that I said Israel should not exist!

You've lost the plot Didge.

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ancestral home? Most of them in Germany had never lived there, they were German, and their families had lived in Germany for ages.

We're talking about the real world - the area called Palestine which existed in 1933, not some wishy washy place in your imagination.

You're way off topic now - back on your favourite subject. This is nothing to do with Arabs or Jordan, it's about Hitler and his assistance to the Zionists in 1933 onwards. Zionists don't just want Jews to have a homeland, they want them to have a homeland in that precise area and to be in charge of it, which they couldn't have done without an influx of Jewish people.

You called me a Zionist yesterday, and now you're claiming that I said Israel should not exist!

You've lost the plot Didge.

So you are saying they are not descended from Israel?

Most had been constantly fleeing persecution and only recently within Russia as well, where many had fled to Germany

So based on your argument, no Palestinian has a right of return, if they were not living at the time, many fled?

No problem, if you want to go down that avenue

No Palestine existed in 1933.

The British Mandate for Palestine existed in 1933, see another historical error

Yes it has everything to do with the formation of an Arab nation in Jordan and I see you avoided every point.

So a simple question.

Do you believe the Jews should not have been able to form the state of Israel in 1948, based off your views they were a marginal minority in hat then formed Israel?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:


So you are saying they are not descended from Israel?

Most had been constantly fleeing persecution and only recently within Russia as well, where many had fled to Germany

So based on your argument, no Palestinian has a right of return, if they were not living at the time, many fled?

No problem, if you want to go down that avenue

No Palestine existed in 1933.

The British Mandate for Palestine existed in 1933, see another historical error

Yes it has everything to do with the formation of an Arab nation in Jordan and I see you avoided every point.

So a simple question.

Do you believe the Jews should not have been able to form the state of Israel in 1948, based off your views they were a marginal minority in hat then formed Israel?

Of course Palestine existed in 1933. It wasn't a figment of people's imaginations. The Jews in Germany were not from Israel, they were German. A lot of them wanted to remain German too, but Hitler had other ideas.

I'll ask you the same question. You seem to be keen on self determination based on majorities, so do you think they should have been able to form the State of Israel?

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Of course Palestine existed in 1933. It wasn't a figment of people's imaginations. The Jews in Germany were not from Israel, they were German. A lot of them wanted to remain German too, but Hitler had other ideas.

I'll ask you the same question. You seem to be keen on self determination based on majorities, so do you think they should have been able to form the State of Israel?

No such nation called Palestine existed.

There was the British Mandate of Palestine, administered by the British, under the Mandate Treaty, by the League of Nations.

Yes, as they were a majority in the allotted land under the UN partition plan of 1947.

So now answer whether you think they should have been able to form a nation?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:


No such nation called Palestine existed.

There was the British Mandate of Palestine, administered by the British, under the Mandate Treaty, by the League of Nations.

Yes, as they were a majority in the allotted land under the UN partition plan of 1947.

So now answer whether you think they should have been able to form a nation?

I didn't mention a "nation". Of course Palestine existed. Were they the majority in the land they declared as Israel?

In his 17-page statement, ahead of a disciplinary hearing this week, the former Mayor of London says Nazi policy “had the effect of supporting Zionism” and references the 1933 "Transfer Agreement".

He said: "This agreement, between the Nazis and a section of Zionism, was not referred to in order to express hostility to Jewish people.

"The Transfer Agreement was a major political issue at the time as the Jewish movement to boycott German goods was a huge international campaign to turn public opinion against Nazi Germany.

"The Transfer Agreement was a major political issue at the time as the Jewish movement to boycott German goods was a huge international campaign to turn public opinion against Nazi Germany.

"In my remarks to Vanessa Feltz, I was just pointing out that the Nazi policy in relation to the Transfer Agreement had the effect of supporting Zionism."

He adds: "I did not say or suggest that Hitler was a Zionist. I did not make the equation of Hitler and Zionism.

"I neither criticised the Transfer Agreement or the section of Zionism that participated in the Agreement.

"I did not draw any historical parallels with the situation today anywhere, including with the conflict between Israel and Palestine.

"The holocaust against the Jews is the greatest racial crime of the 20th century."

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I didn't mention a "nation". Of course Palestine existed. Were they the majority in the land they declared as Israel?

It did not exist.


UN Partition Plan 1947

Overall, the Jewish State was to be comprised of roughly 5,500 square miles and the population was to be 538,000 Jews and 397,000 Arabs. The Arab State was to be 4,500 square miles with a population of 804,000 Arabs and 10,000 Jews. Though the Jews were allotted more total land, the majority of that land was in the desert.

Further complicating the situation was the UN majority's insistence that Jerusalem remain apart from both states and be administered as an international zone. This arrangement left more than 100,000 Jews in Jerusalem isolated from their country and circumscribed by the Arab state.

Immediately after this, the Arabs started a war against the Jews, in the British Mandate of Palestine.

So answer the question

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:


It did not exist.


UN Partition Plan 1947

Overall, the Jewish State was to be comprised of roughly 5,500 square miles and the population was to be 538,000 Jews and 397,000 Arabs. The Arab State was to be 4,500 square miles with a population of 804,000 Arabs and 10,000 Jews. Though the Jews were allotted more total land, the majority of that land was in the desert.

Further complicating the situation was the UN majority's insistence that Jerusalem remain apart from both states and be administered as an international zone. This arrangement left more than 100,000 Jews in Jerusalem isolated from their country and circumscribed by the Arab state.

Immediately after this, the Arabs started a war against the Jews, in the British Mandate of Palestine.

So answer the question

It did exist, it's what the British called that area - therefore, it existed.

Look, the Zionists who did the deal probably had two motives. The first was to get Jews in German away from an increasingly hostile situation. The second was to get Jews to go to Palestine to boost the number of Jews there in order to advance their cause. You're talking about 1947, I'm talking about 1933. The Zionists could not have predicted the 1947 partition plan.

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It did exist, it's what the British called that area - therefore, it existed.

Look, the Zionists who did the deal probably had two motives. The first was to get Jews in German away from an increasingly hostile situation. The second was to get Jews to go to Palestine to boost the number of Jews there in order to advance their cause. You're talking about 1947, I'm talking about 1933. The Zionists could not have predicted the 1947 partition plan.

You have not answered the question again

How many have you now avoided?

So when I simple counter everything you throw at me, you resort to regurgitating the same falsehood.

Thanks for the debate Rags

I am happy to leave showing all posters each case made by each of us and how I resoundingly backed mine with facts and you on assumptions.

Great debate, lets have some more on other topics

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:


You have not answered the question again

How many have you now avoided?

So when I simple counter everything you throw at me, you resort to regurgitating the same falsehood.

Thanks for the debate Rags

I am happy to leave showing all posters each case made by each of us and how I resoundingly backed mine with facts and you on assumptions.

Great debate, lets have some more on other topics

The answer is that they would be more able to form a nation if there was an increase in the number of Jews in the area - strength in numbers.

I backed up everything I said, and you introduced numerous red herrings which were not relevant to the issue. I also used common sense and logic, whereas you just kept repeating the same tired old stuff over and over again.

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

The answer is that they would be more able to form a nation if there was an increase in the number of Jews in the area - strength in numbers.

I backed up everything I said, and you introduced numerous red herrings which were not relevant to the issue. I also used common sense and logic, whereas you just kept repeating the same tired old stuff over and over again.

Again which shows you do not understand the League of nations mandates and the Balfour agreement.

You have made assumptions, not facts.

Countless historians disagree with you and you forget the main tenant of Zionism, was at the time the creation  of a Jewish nation, already promised way before Hitler even came to power.

I am not going to continue when you continually avoid answering questions, that resoundingly debunk your arguments.

Like I say, your arguments are now circular and I am bored of continually presenting the facts.

So that is my last word on the matter.

Please feel free to have the last word, but as I say, people can see for themselves the evidence I presented and the assumptions you have made which falsely claim Hitler supported Zionism. When he was against the formation of a Jewish state.

All the best

Livingstone will also present five witness statements from Jewish Labour party members in his defence, all five of whom are involved in anti-Zionist and Palestinian rights activism.

Last year Mr Livingstone said Hitler had supported the establishment of a Jewish state in 1932 "before he went mad and murdered six million Jews."

Scrat wrote:Indeed,,,very little cannot be quantified, I suspect the vast majority of folk treat the diaspora of the Jews with little understanding or concern and for millennia they're treated with caution, and rightly so, much like Christians and Islamist there's no need to despise them but a healthy distance must be kept, usury is their weakness and greed, ultimate greed motivates them.

http://electricsky.forumotion.co.uk/t3963-ken-livingstone-to-appear-before-labour-body-in-expulsion-hearing#55390

Thorin wrote:Actually he did again say that Hitler supported the creation of a Jewish state.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/30/ken-livingstone-repeats-claim-nazi-zionist-collaboration

So much for Rags poor defense of Ken


Edit.

Please read anyone that is supporting Ken, well, what can i say?


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/30/ken-livingstone-labour-party-disrepute-hitler-zionism-former-london-mayor

It says how much some will go to great lengths to deligitimize Jews and to Israel existing.

All you have to understand is the motive of people to why they defend Ken.

Its not rocket science.



• British MP Ken Livingstone is at it again: last year he claimed Nazi policy had the ‘effect of supporting Zionism.’ Livingstone is now doubling down on his prior claim, referring to Jews as “SS trained.”  Livingstone is attempting to defend himself against accusations of anti-Semitism before Britain’s National Constitutional Committee this week. His 17 page defense raised questions due to dubious sourcing, including a Wikipedia page entitled “Israel and the Apartheid analogy.” Livingstone’s claims ring especially ironic at this particular moment given the recent re-discovery of a World War II era telegram from Hitler’s deputy Heinrich Himmler to the grand mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin al-Husseini, in which Himmler promises that the German Reich will stand behind the Arabs of Palestine and support their struggle against “Jewish intruders.”

Thorin wrote:I am sorry, but this is a fine example of antisemitism and conspiracy madness I have just read and it cannot go unpublished.

Scrat wrote:Indeed,,,very little cannot be quantified, I suspect the vast majority of folk treat the diaspora of the Jews with little understanding or concern and for millennia they're treated with caution, and rightly so, much like Christians and Islamist there's no need to despise them but a healthy distance must be kept, usury is their weakness and greed, ultimate greed motivates them.

http://electricsky.forumotion.co.uk/t3963-ken-livingstone-to-appear-before-labour-body-in-expulsion-hearing#55390

I hope the moderators take action elsewhere to say this, is racist hate, as its racism. I do not want to see a ban at all, but a public declaration opposing this antisemitism. On these poor and unfounded stereotypes and conspiracies. That not only place Jews as suspect but to clearly be blamed for persecution they  suffered due to not trusting them by viewing them with caution over centuries based on this paranoid hate. Talk about excusing antisemitism, based off gibberish stereotypes. Hitler would have loved such hate. Where even worse equating all Christians alongside Islamist's (not decent Muslims in general, but equating to Christians and Jews to Islamist Supremacists.)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_antisemitism



A fine example of how the Far left are becoming the new racist Far right.


Apologies for bringing this here, but this is disgusting.
And this is the apologist defense to Ken, by invoking antisemitic troupes?

Raggamuffin wrote:Oh dear - he's played his Ace by implying that Sassy will do this site's "bidding".

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Oh dear - he's played his Ace by implying that Sassy will do this site's "bidding".

Why are you attempting to stir yet again?

I am actually glad Sassy and Irn spoke out on this.

I was shocked to see this last night and could not post there and hope they would see my comments and act.

They did act and I applaud them for doing so, whether they saw my post or not.

Seriously, what is wrong with you, that you seem to get off over confrontation between people?

Grow up

I was shocked to see this last night and could not post there and hope they would see my comments and act.

Thorin wrote:So you admit to shit stirring.

As seen, I am very much against antisemitism, which you now seem to think its a joke and amusing to speak out on.

That speaks volumes about the lack of decency within you.

Think what you like of me, I though can have the decency to thank two people I do not get on with. For doing what is right and am happy to state and praise them for doing so. No matter our differences.

I am glad all can see how immature you have acted on this and if you claims its wrong to speak out on antisemitism, no matter off another sight. Then report me, because I would lose to see what the Moderators view would be, to your deliberately stirring yet again on this forum.

So be my guest. I am very comfortable with what i said.

Lets see if you have the ability to act with that big immature gob of yours

All the best

Thorin wrote:So gutless, abusive and knows she will end up with egg on her face.

Priceless from the forum toddler Rags. She can continue to stir, and I will not attempt to further provide her with the attention she seeks by replying.

Again I would like to thank both Sassy and Irn for speaking out.
Don't know if you have seen my post, but just am thankful you did act.

It was good to see.

So thank you.

Thorin wrote:Once again its good to see people standing up to antisemitism and not thinking its a joke, but real.

Thanks again Sassy and Irn

Thorin wrote:Free Speech?

PMSL

Nobody has denied him free speech.
 Its about disassociating Labour from such falsehoods

Another fabrication from the forum Toddler lol

After her attempts to ridicule me failed she now invoked even further gibberish.

I am also glad of her action here, as plenty will read and do this at her actions.